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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 18:54:23 GMT -5
a local worker(FS) just emailed his life story to some in our field so of course it gets daisy chained to everyone...
what i found interesting is that FS was first a catholic then an atheist then had a brush with the lutherns then found the 2x2's... also interesting is that he is a mathematician by degree but spent his life hunting, fishing and fur trapping and commercial fishing...
it was 8 pages long and a good read...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 11:08:25 GMT -5
Did this worker grow up in Wisconsin?
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Post by blacksheep on Jun 22, 2020 13:26:15 GMT -5
The only FS I saw in a quick scan was Fred Skalitzky. I may have missed others...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 16:27:48 GMT -5
You can also get them heading in the other direction, leave the 2x2's and make good. A good example of that was Doug Parker, became an Anglican Minster. Gave his life in service to the people, including Jail Chaplin, and Hospital Chaplin. Left a wonderfull testimony of a life well lived. The book that he wrote, "The Secret Sect" is worth a read.
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Post by nathan on Jun 22, 2020 18:17:01 GMT -5
You can also get them heading in the other direction, leave the 2x2's and make good. A good example of that was Doug Parker, became an Anglican Minster. Gave his life in service to the people, including Jail Chaplin, and Hospital Chaplin. Left a wonderfull testimony of a life well lived. The book that he wrote, "The Secret Sect" is worth a read. ** Doug Parker book is NOT that good, I read it my 3rd yr in the work... John Long ex-2×2 worker from 1898-1907 Journal has MUCH better information and more accurate information than Doug Parker an ex-2×2 friend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 18:18:48 GMT -5
Did this worker grow up in Wisconsin? yep
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 18:23:17 GMT -5
Doug Parker was able to reveal the great deception.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 18:28:23 GMT -5
Doug Parker was able to reveal the great deception. seems to me that parkers book sets out to destroy a church whereas FS is building it up the two are not really that comparable...
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Post by nathan on Jun 22, 2020 18:35:51 GMT -5
Doug Parker was able to reveal the great deception. ** NOT deception, Doug Parker gave people only half truth information... John Long did a better job than Doug and he had NO AGENDA! John Long expressed his concerns and opinions but no hidden agenda to promote like Doug P. To take down the 2x2 group/Church.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 22, 2020 19:05:12 GMT -5
I wonder how many of Doug Parker's parishioners have since read some science, learned to think critically. To them, he is the deceiver.
How ironic that he railed against a great deception but foisted an even greater deception of religion upon others.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2020 19:14:33 GMT -5
I wonder how many of Doug Parker's parishioners have since read some science, learned to think critically. To them, he is the deceiver. How ironic that he railed against a great deception but foisted an even greater deception of religion upon others. But you have to admit that at least Doug Parker gave people the "truth" about what they had thought was THE TRUTH!
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 1:11:12 GMT -5
I wonder how many of Doug Parker's parishioners have since read some science, learned to think critically. To them, he is the deceiver. How ironic that he railed against a great deception but foisted an even greater deception of religion upon others. But you have to admit that at least Doug Parker gave people the "truth" about what they had thought was THE TRUTH! Doug Parker gave us half of truth NOT the whole truth of the "truth".... John Long did a better job than him, he gave us 3/4 of the truth.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 23, 2020 2:44:00 GMT -5
But you have to admit that at least Doug Parker gave people the "truth" about what they had thought was THE TRUTH! Doug Parker gave us half of truth NOT the whole truth of the "truth".... John Long did a better job than him, he gave us 3/4 of the truth.Nathan, I have to laugh when you judge other peoples truth. I have yet to see you tell the truth regarding many of your posts. Your version of the truth is one of the craziest mixed up fantasies ever foisted upon humankind.
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Post by Grant on Jun 23, 2020 2:51:07 GMT -5
But you have to admit that at least Doug Parker gave people the "truth" about what they had thought was THE TRUTH! Doug Parker gave us half of truth NOT the whole truth of the "truth".... John Long did a better job than him, he gave us 3/4 of the truth.Tell us one thing which Doug Parker wrote which was not the truth?
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Post by Grant on Jun 23, 2020 2:53:03 GMT -5
I wonder how many of Doug Parker's parishioners have since read some science, learned to think critically. To them, he is the deceiver. How ironic that he railed against a great deception but foisted an even greater deception of religion upon others. To who is Doug Parker a deceiver? In what way did he deceive? How did he foster a greater deception of religion upon others?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 3:00:00 GMT -5
I think we believers will never be able to have conversation with dyed in the wool 2x2's. They can't see past the end of their noses, and still believe in the great deception invented 120 years ago. But it is good that many 2x2's are getting away from that and are becoming more generous in their thinking. Sad that the narrow minded ones have driven the more generous ones away from TMB. But we are glad that we have people like Iam who have a more balanced view of it all.
Recently we were talking to some of our 2x2 friends who had just been to Convention. We always like to hear about Workers and Friends that we have got to know in the past. They told us that many young ones are going into the work, and their words "Having a Ball" Much better than 50 years ago when Workers arrived with 2 cases, large one for clothes, etc and small one full of medications and potions to sooth shattered nerves. Not the way to live, no need for it.
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Post by speak on Jun 23, 2020 3:26:10 GMT -5
I think we believers will never be able to have conversation with dyed in the wool 2x2's. They can't see past the end of their noses, and still believe in the great deception invented 120 years ago. But it is good that many 2x2's are getting away from that and are becoming more generous in their thinking. Sad that the narrow minded ones have driven the more generous ones away from TMB. But we are glad that we have people like Iam who have a more balanced view of it all. Recently we were talking to some of our 2x2 friends who had just been to Convention. We always like to hear about Workers and Friends that we have got to know in the past. They told us that many young ones are going into the work, and their words "Having a Ball" Much better than 50 years ago when Workers arrived with 2 cases, large one for clothes, etc and small one full of medications and potions to sooth shattered nerves. Not the way to live, no need for it. Believers of what? You know redback when there is something said against what you believe there ends up being a hullabaloo and we are called narrow minded and when you say something against us there is a hullabaloo again and we are call narrow minded again, of course you would call that balanced. And then you put someone forth as being balanced who plainly has a huge chip on their shoulders. Then you try to compare workers from yesteryear with today it is like comparing those of yesteryear with the workers of Paul day. It's like saying that you are like your ancestors in the way you do things. Do you cook on an open fire?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 3:58:25 GMT -5
Believers of not trying to force our beliefs onto everybody else.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2020 4:00:16 GMT -5
I think we believers will never be able to have conversation with dyed in the wool 2x2's. They can't see past the end of their noses, and still believe in the great deception invented 120 years ago. But it is good that many 2x2's are getting away from that and are becoming more generous in their thinking. Sad that the narrow minded ones have driven the more generous ones away from TMB. But we are glad that we have people like Iam who have a more balanced view of it all. Recently we were talking to some of our 2x2 friends who had just been to Convention. We always like to hear about Workers and Friends that we have got to know in the past. They told us that many young ones are going into the work, and their words "Having a Ball" Much better than 50 years ago when Workers arrived with 2 cases, large one for clothes, etc and small one full of medications and potions to sooth shattered nerves. Not the way to live, no need for it. Believers of what? You know redback when there is something said against what you believe there ends up being a hullabaloo and we are called narrow minded and when you say something against us there is a hullabaloo again and we are call narrow minded again, of course you would call that balanced. And then you put someone forth as being balanced who plainly has a huge chip on their shoulders. Then you try to compare workers from yesteryear with today it is like comparing those of yesteryear with the workers of Paul day. It's like saying that you are like your ancestors in the way you do things. Do you cook on an open fire? You know something, speak, -I really have a very hard time believing "workers today are being that much different from workers in my day,"
Are telling me that sister workers now do not have to have long hair done up on their head and that they are allowed to wear sleeveless? dresses?
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 8:40:17 GMT -5
Doug Parker gave us half of truth NOT the whole truth of the "truth".... John Long did a better job than him, he gave us 3/4 of the truth. Tell us one thing which Doug Parker wrote which was not the truth? Doug Parker and most did NOT mention there were other 2x2s workers/apostles before or prior to the 2x2 workers New Testament ministry and fellowship for 1800 years.
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 8:49:00 GMT -5
I wonder how many of Doug Parker's parishioners have since read some science, learned to think critically. To them, he is the deceiver. How ironic that he railed against a great deception but foisted an even greater deception of religion upon others. To who is Doug Parker a deceiver? In what way did he deceive? How did he foster a greater deception of religion upon others? He deceived the 2x2s, by NOT TELLING the WHOLE TRUTH. Deception, William Irvine started this 2x2 workers sect on his own and he the founder of it and this is a false religion or NOT from God, so GET the HECK and LEAVE out of the 2x2 As soon as Possible... AND Many believe him and LEFT God and many joined other churches, some are on limbo/stay in the fellowship but confuse until this VERY DAY.... Proof is here on the TMB for 20 years and beyond.
People, 2x2s start to WAKE up after reading John Long (ex-2x2 worker) Journal, and Pattison (2x2 professing friend) account of the early days and historical documents of the 2x2s apostles and Christians historians through the centuries prior to the Faith Mission and 2x2s early days workers, William Irvine, Edward Cooney, Jack Carroll and his sister May Carroll and so on.
Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent
Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses
Date first posted on TMB: July 2010 gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.html
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 23, 2020 8:55:49 GMT -5
To who is Doug Parker a deceiver? In what way did he deceive? How did he foster a greater deception of religion upon others? He deceived the 2x2s, by NOT TELLING the WHOLE TRUTH. Deception, William Irvine started this 2x2 workers sect on his own and he the founder of it and this is a false religion or NOT from God, so GET the HECK and LEAVE out of the 2x2 As soon as Possible... AND Many believe him and LEFT God and many joined other churches, some are on limbo/stay in the fellowship but confuse until this VERY DAY.... Proof is here on the TMB for 20 years and beyond.
People, 2x2s start to WAKE up after reading John Long (ex-2x2 worker) Journal, and Pattison (2x2 professing friend) account of the early days.
So write your own version nathan, I am sure the F&Ws would love to read how they go back to the Waldensians !!! (Not)
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 8:59:54 GMT -5
He deceived the 2x2s, by NOT TELLING the WHOLE TRUTH. Deception, William Irvine started this 2x2 workers sect on his own and he the founder of it and this is a false religion or NOT from God, so GET the HECK and LEAVE out of the 2x2 As soon as Possible... AND Many believe him and LEFT God and many joined other churches, some are on limbo/stay in the fellowship but confuse until this VERY DAY.... Proof is here on the TMB for 20 years and beyond.
People, 2x2s start to WAKE up after reading John Long (ex-2x2 worker) Journal, and Pattison (2x2 professing friend) account of the early days.
So write your own version nathan , I am sure the F&Ws would love to read how they go back to the Waldensians !!! (Not) Well, is NOT my own version or writings but early church historians through the centuries.... Here is one of them for almost 1800 years read for yourself. Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses
Date first posted on TMB: July 2010 gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.htmlDoug Parker get 2x2s jumping out of the frying pan into the FIRE! that is how he had deceived them. NO, the workers and myself want to point and encourage people to FOLLOW Jesus Christ New Testament ministry and fellowship.... History has proven to us The Vaudois/Waldensians followed it for 1800 years and MANY like the, the Faith Mission and 2x2 early days workers.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 23, 2020 9:06:24 GMT -5
So write your own version nathan , I am sure the F&Ws would love to read how they go back to the Waldensians !!! (Not) Well, is NOT my own version or writings but early church historians through the centuries.... Here is one of them for almost 1800 years read for yourself. Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses
Date first posted on TMB: July 2010 gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.htmlBut...the F&Ws don't agree with you nathan, so until then it is just another one of your beliefs !
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 9:18:20 GMT -5
Well, is NOT my own version or writings but early church historians through the centuries.... Here is one of them for almost 1800 years read for yourself. Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses
Date first posted on TMB: July 2010 gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.html But...the F&Ws don't agree with you nathan , so until then it is just another one of your beliefs ! MANY don't agree because they DON'T KNOW or have READ these historical documents... I have testimonies of early days workers who KNEW it by Faith but had NO documents or history about them. Ex-worker Joe Kerr, and a few ex-workers who studied KNEW about it. In 1990 when I was in the work my older companion and I heard and read about the Vaudois and I tried to share these information with different workers and the friends in my field. I made copies of chapter V of the Pilgrim church book and gave it to them.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 23, 2020 9:43:26 GMT -5
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Post by iam on Jun 23, 2020 10:10:26 GMT -5
Believers of what? You know redback when there is something said against what you believe there ends up being a hullabaloo and we are called narrow minded and when you say something against us there is a hullabaloo again and we are call narrow minded again, of course you would call that balanced. And then you put someone forth as being balanced who plainly has a huge chip on their shoulders. Then you try to compare workers from yesteryear with today it is like comparing those of yesteryear with the workers of Paul day. It's like saying that you are like your ancestors in the way you do things. Do you cook on an open fire? You know something, speak, -I really have a very hard time believing "workers today are being that much different from workers in my day,"
Are telling me that sister workers now do not have to have long hair done up on their head and that they are allowed to wear sleeveless? dresses?You know, that’s interesting, DMG, my first year in the work the only dress I had was an almost sleeveless dress. What I appreciated was that no one cared! It was me myself and I that decided to conform but looking back, it wasn’t Jesus that cared either.
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Post by iam on Jun 23, 2020 10:15:19 GMT -5
I think we believers will never be able to have conversation with dyed in the wool 2x2's. They can't see past the end of their noses, and still believe in the great deception invented 120 years ago. But it is good that many 2x2's are getting away from that and are becoming more generous in their thinking. Sad that the narrow minded ones have driven the more generous ones away from TMB. But we are glad that we have people like Iam who have a more balanced view of it all. Recently we were talking to some of our 2x2 friends who had just been to Convention. We always like to hear about Workers and Friends that we have got to know in the past. They told us that many young ones are going into the work, and their words "Having a Ball" Much better than 50 years ago when Workers arrived with 2 cases, large one for clothes, etc and small one full of medications and potions to sooth shattered nerves. Not the way to live, no need for it. Believers of what? You know redback when there is something said against what you believe there ends up being a hullabaloo and we are called narrow minded and when you say something against us there is a hullabaloo again and we are call narrow minded again, of course you would call that balanced. And then you put someone forth as being balanced who plainly has a huge chip on their shoulders. Then you try to compare workers from yesteryear with today it is like comparing those of yesteryear with the workers of Paul day. It's like saying that you are like your ancestors in the way you do things. Do you cook on an open fire? Well there’s a few self righteous 2x2s on TMB and it’s enough to make anyone have a chip on their shoulder. We tend to have those types in the F&W it seems to attract those kinds of attitudes🤢. Thankful for the VERY few that don’t. No wonder Jesus said he would take the bad fish and throw them away....people that are die hards for the form but not the heart of Jesus.
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