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Post by iam on Jun 23, 2020 10:18:47 GMT -5
But you have to admit that at least Doug Parker gave people the "truth" about what they had thought was THE TRUTH! Doug Parker gave us half of truth NOT the whole truth of the "truth".... John Long did a better job than him, he gave us 3/4 of the truth.I suppose half the truth is better than no truth? We “in the truth” avoid all sorts of truth on a regular basis. Although we do have some very good excuses for it. Such a fear of the truth🙄.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 23, 2020 11:57:57 GMT -5
I think we believers will never be able to have conversation with dyed in the wool 2x2's. They can't see past the end of their noses, and still believe in the great deception invented 120 years ago. But it is good that many 2x2's are getting away from that and are becoming more generous in their thinking. Sad that the narrow minded ones have driven the more generous ones away from TMB. But we are glad that we have people like Iam who have a more balanced view of it all.] Narrow minded is not much of an insult to those who seek to walk in the narrow way. Speak and Wally have the right spirit that I've seem in workers and friends around the world. If anything, the faithful ones like them have been driven off of TMB by the liberal tares. We've lost Bert, Jesse Lackman, Glory in Truth, even a senior brother worker in Review005
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Post by iam on Jun 23, 2020 12:24:02 GMT -5
I think we believers will never be able to have conversation with dyed in the wool 2x2's. They can't see past the end of their noses, and still believe in the great deception invented 120 years ago. But it is good that many 2x2's are getting away from that and are becoming more generous in their thinking. Sad that the narrow minded ones have driven the more generous ones away from TMB. But we are glad that we have people like Iam who have a more balanced view of it all.] Narrow minded is not much of an insult to those who seek to walk in the narrow way. Speak and Wally have the right spirit that I've seem in workers and friends around the world. If anything, the faithful ones like them have been driven off of TMB by the liberal tares. We've lost Bert, Jesse Lackman, Glory in Truth, even a senior brother worker in Review005 Narrow minded is not the narrow WAY. Jesus was anything but narrow MINDED. Because of his lack of a narrow MIND he was rejected by his own people.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2020 13:12:06 GMT -5
I think we believers will never be able to have conversation with dyed in the wool 2x2's. They can't see past the end of their noses, and still believe in the great deception invented 120 years ago. But it is good that many 2x2's are getting away from that and are becoming more generous in their thinking. Sad that the narrow minded ones have driven the more generous ones away from TMB. But we are glad that we have people like Iam who have a more balanced view of it all.] Narrow minded is not much of an insult to those who seek to walk in the narrow way. Speak and Wally have the right spirit that I've seem in workers and friends around the world. If anything, the faithful ones like them have been driven off of TMB by the liberal tares. We've lost Bert, Jesse Lackman, Glory in Truth, even a senior brother worker in Review005 "We've lost Bert, Jesse Lackman, Glory in Truth, even a senior brother worker in Review005"
That is terrible!
You are breaking my heart!
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Post by Grant on Jun 23, 2020 13:43:35 GMT -5
Tell us one thing which Doug Parker wrote which was not the truth? Doug Parker and most did NOT mention there were other 2x2s workers/apostles before or prior to the 2x2 workers New Testament ministry and fellowship for 1800 years.Doug Parker was talking about the church you attend which was started by William Irvine around 1897, not some other church which by the way was nothing to do with the current church of the friends and workers which this board is about. Going off one tangent and talking about another church is your own made up fantasy. All you have done is prove Doug Parker was correct in saying that your church was started by a man or men and did not go back to Jesus as the workers used to claim.
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Post by Grant on Jun 23, 2020 13:56:44 GMT -5
To who is Doug Parker a deceiver? In what way did he deceive? How did he foster a greater deception of religion upon others? He deceived the 2x2s, by NOT TELLING the WHOLE TRUTH. Deception, William Irvine started this 2x2 workers sect on his own and he the founder of it and this is a false religion or NOT from God, so GET the HECK and LEAVE out of the 2x2 As soon as Possible... AND Many believe him and LEFT God and many joined other churches, some are on limbo/stay in the fellowship but confuse until this VERY DAY.... Proof is here on the TMB for 20 years and beyond.
People, 2x2s start to WAKE up after reading John Long (ex-2x2 worker) Journal, and Pattison (2x2 professing friend) account of the early days and historical documents of the 2x2s apostles and Christians historians through the centuries prior to the Faith Mission and 2x2s early days workers, William Irvine, Edward Cooney, Jack Carroll and his sister May Carroll and so on.
Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent
Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses
Date first posted on TMB: July 2010 gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.html
You're rambling again Nathan. Your posts carry less and less credibility as time goes on. You keep diverting to some other church not your own. Every church can claim to go back to Jesus if they go back beyond their own but DP was talking about the church you attend not some other church. The vaudois and waldensians were not your church. Doug Parker was honest in telling the truth. People have a right to know the truth. God used him to bring truth and clarity to the confusion and deception that the workers had started. A church built on truth is better than on based on deception. The church is better for it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2020 14:04:10 GMT -5
Doug Parker and most did NOT mention there were other 2x2s workers/apostles before or prior to the 2x2 workers New Testament ministry and fellowship for 1800 years. Doug Parker was talking about the church you attend which was started by William Irvine around 1897, not some other church which by the way was nothing to do with the current church of the friends and workers which this board is about. Going off one tangent and talking about one other church is your own made up fantasy. All you have done is prove Doug Parker was correct in saying that your church was started by a man or men and did not go back to Jesus as the workers used to claim. Right. Nathan, -what should have Parker done? Try to tell the whole story of Christianity?
He was simply telling about the research that he did to find the beginning of a church which he had nearly given up his life for.
Parker had already sold his business and had planned to go out as a worker when he found that the church he had believed to be the one true church which went back to Jesus really did not go back any further than the late 1800's.
I remembering Parker saying that as he sit there reading those old newspapers that was describing the beginning of the workers, - just he just sat there & cried.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 14:58:10 GMT -5
I think that the die hards are dying out. As I have mentioned before, IMO it came from the fact that William Irvine was a Mason. Every thing was done in a cloud of secrecy, not open and transparent the way it should be. And of course the Masons have over the the years stopped being an exclusive club, so should the 2x2's.
By being exclusive you not only damage your own organisation, but you push other people away. And as it has already been mentioned that was not the attitude of Christ, the Prophet that Christians follow, and who's attitudes they should incorporate in their lives, being humanistic.
In the early days of 2x2ism that attitude tore Families apart, never should have happened. The sooner it is gone the better. Hope it can go from TMB.
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 15:05:31 GMT -5
Doug Parker gave us half of truth NOT the whole truth of the "truth".... John Long did a better job than him, he gave us 3/4 of the truth. I suppose half the truth is better than no truth? We “in the truth” avoid all sorts of truth on a regular basis. Although we do have some very good excuses for it. Such a fear of the truth🙄. ** The early days workers had been telling the TRUTH from the beginning. I have posted Edward Cooney, George Walker and the workers sermons and others 2x2s writings, on TMB for the last 20 years. It's the people who don't KNOW the 2000 years of Jesus Christ 2x2 New Testament church history history that say and teach half truth information to others and making a MESS, chaos and confusion in people's minds.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:37:05 GMT -5
Not many people would be able to leave a testimony as good as Doug Parker's. He reached out to all people in the work he did as a Chaplin in Prisons and Hospitals later in his life. He was a true Christian in every sense of the word.
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 15:41:46 GMT -5
He deceived the 2x2s, by NOT TELLING the WHOLE TRUTH. Deception, William Irvine started this 2x2 workers sect on his own and he the founder of it and this is a false religion or NOT from God, so GET the HECK and LEAVE out of the 2x2 As soon as Possible... AND Many believe him and LEFT God and many joined other churches, some are on limbo/stay in the fellowship but confuse until this VERY DAY.... Proof is here on the TMB for 20 years and beyond.
People, 2x2s start to WAKE up after reading John Long (ex-2x2 worker) Journal, and Pattison (2x2 professing friend) account of the early days and historical documents of the 2x2s apostles and Christians historians through the centuries prior to the Faith Mission and 2x2s early days workers, William Irvine, Edward Cooney, Jack Carroll and his sister May Carroll and so on.
Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent
Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses
Date first posted on TMB: July 2010 gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.html
You're rambling again Nathan. Your posts carry less and less credibility as time goes on. You keep diverting to some other church not your own. Every church can claim to go back to Jesus if they go back beyond their own but DP was talking about the church you attend not some other church. The vaudois and waldensians were not your church. Doug Parker was honest in telling the truth. People have a right to know the truth. God used him to bring truth and clarity to the confusion and deception that the workers had started. A church built on truth is better than on based on deception. The church is better for it. *** You ex-2×2 are so full of baloney... If all these the 40,000 plus Protestant and RCC go back and the same as the 1st century New Testament. If they were the same, then why for 2000 yrs there has been exodus of believers coming out of the RCC and 40,000 protestant churches... Even the early days 2x2 workers and the friends, saw and KNEW the confusion and chaos so, they LEFT from many of these denomination churches and wanted to return to Jesus New Test. Ministry and fellowship which William Irvine the Faith Mission, brought them Jesus 2x2 ministry. They started their own New Testament Sunday emblems worship gathering in 1903 with fellows 2x2 believers and baptism for new converts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 15:53:51 GMT -5
They also move the other way Nathan, leave the 2x2's and join main stream Churches.
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 16:29:43 GMT -5
They also move the other way Nathan, leave the 2x2's and join main stream Churches. ** Yes, people have their own reasons to leave the 2x2, some have good reasons to do so. The overseers didn't handle CSA like they should. They don't have the Godhead doctrines 100% correctly like the early days workers had preached it. The current workers do pretty good over all pictures. There are quite a few bad apples among us just like in 7 churches in the book of Revelation, and in many churches of the New Testament. We/2×2 are not perfect including the workers, this is God's work of a life to conform us into the image of Christ us through all kinds of experiences in like to humble us because of our human weakneses and sins to seek His help. To help us to forgive others when they sins against us, be kind and compssionate persons.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jun 23, 2020 16:30:47 GMT -5
But...the F&Ws don't agree with you nathan , so until then it is just another one of your beliefs ! MANY don't agree because they DON'T KNOW or have READ these historical documents... I have testimonies of early days workers who KNEW it by Faith but had NO documents or history about them. Ex-worker Joe Kerr, and a few ex-workers who studied KNEW about it. In 1990 when I was in the work my older companion and I heard and read about the Vaudois and I tried to share these information with different workers and the friends in my field. I made copies of chapter V of the Pilgrim church book and gave it to them.
Is this why you have to state "when I was in the work"?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2020 16:35:14 GMT -5
You know something, speak, -I really have a very hard time believing "workers today are being that much different from workers in my day,"
Are telling me that sister workers now do not have to have long hair done up on their head and that they are allowed to wear sleeveless? dresses? You know, that’s interesting, DMG, my first year in the work the only dress I had was an almost sleeveless dress. What I appreciated was that no one cared! It was me myself and I that decided to conform but looking back, it wasn’t Jesus that cared either. And WHERE on God's green earth were you in the work that you were allowed to get by with that?
And I would bet my bottom dollar the next year you had changed!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 16:36:23 GMT -5
They also move the other way Nathan, leave the 2x2's and join main stream Churches. ** Yes, there are quite a few bad apples among us just like in 7 churches in the book of Revelation, and in many churches of the New Testament. We/2×2 are not perfect including the workers, this is God's work of a life to conform us into the image of Christ us through all kinds of experiences in like to humble us because of our human weakneses and sins to seek His help. To help us to forgive others when they sins against us, be kind and compssionate persons. Oh my God, it keeps getting worse.
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 16:42:53 GMT -5
MANY don't agree because they DON'T KNOW or have READ these historical documents... I have testimonies of early days workers who KNEW it by Faith but had NO documents or history about them. Ex-worker Joe Kerr, and a few ex-workers who studied KNEW about it. In 1990 when I was in the work my older companion and I heard and read about the Vaudois and I tried to share these information with different workers and the friends in my field. I made copies of chapter V of the Pilgrim church book and gave it to them.
Is this why you have to state "when I was in the work"? ** I can do much better with gospel than I was in the work, I can reach thousands of people in a few min. Around the word. If I were still in the work today, I would NOT have the time and energy to post on TMB. I would get in trouble for spending too much time on TMB with my overseer. This has work out much better than I had anticipated. I love doing this type of teachings on TMB, then when I was in the work too much time spent at conventions projects, funerals, conventions and special meetings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 16:45:53 GMT -5
Nathan has this method been approved by the Overseers.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jun 23, 2020 16:52:30 GMT -5
Is this why you have to state "when I was in the work"? ** I can do much better with gospel than I was in the work, I can reach thousands of people in a few min. Around the word. If I were still in the work today, I would NOT have the time and energy to post on TMB. I would get in trouble for spending too much time on TMB with my overseer. This has work out much better than I had anticipated. I love doing this, when I was in the work too much time spent at conventions projects, funerals, conventions and special meetings. Curious as to how long you were in the work and was led to your departure.
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 16:55:36 GMT -5
Nathan has this method been approved by the Overseers. *** My ex-overseer and workers in my state KNOW about my activities on TMB. The workers in my field told the senior sisters how me how much the friends appreciate reading my posts. The ex-overseer talked with the two sister workers in Europe had some of the people had attended their gospel meetings from reading my 2x2-website in the past.
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 16:59:51 GMT -5
** I can do much better with gospel than I was in the work, I can reach thousands of people in a few min. Around the word. If I were still in the work today, I would NOT have the time and energy to post on TMB. I would get in trouble for spending too much time on TMB with my overseer. This has work out much better than I had anticipated. I love doing this, when I was in the work too much time spent at conventions projects, funerals, conventions and special meetings. Curious as to how long you were in the work and was led to your departure. ** I offered for the work when I was 19 yrs old in 1980, I had to wait for 7 years. I started in the work in 1994 in Washington state and again in Oregon in 1986-93.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 17:02:16 GMT -5
Nathan has this method been approved by the Overseers. *** My ex-overseer and workers in my state KNOW about my activities on TMB. The workers in my field told the senior sisters how me how much the friends appreciate reading my posts. The ex-overseer talked with the two sister workers in Europe had some of the people had attended their gospel meetings from reading my 2x2-website in the past. You have to be high on petrol fumes, please don't light a match, you will get blown to Hell.
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 23, 2020 17:11:22 GMT -5
By being exclusive you not only damage your own organisation, but you push other people away. And as it has already been mentioned that was not the attitude of Christ, the Prophet that Christians follow, and who's attitudes they should incorporate in their lives, being humanistic. . Non-exclusive Christianity has become just as outdated and uncomforting to people. When somebody's children or grandchildren leave the Truth today, they are equally likely to become an agnostic or Buddhist or something else versus join the worldly church down the road. For the non-exclusive Christian, this means that many of their loved ones will still be condemned to eternal torture by Jesus, same as under the professing belief system.
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Post by nathan on Jun 23, 2020 17:33:23 GMT -5
*** My ex-overseer and workers in my state KNOW about my activities on TMB. The workers in my field told the senior sisters how me how much the friends appreciate reading my posts. The ex-overseer talked with the two sister workers in Europe had some of the people had attended their gospel meetings from reading my 2x2-website in the past. You have to be high on petrol fumes, please don't light a match, you will get blown to Hell. ** I don't KNOW why I need to answer your question when you are so nasty when I try to be nice by answering your questions. I must put you on my IGNORE list again for awhile. Time out for you and me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 18:04:37 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan, keep well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 18:08:53 GMT -5
By being exclusive you not only damage your own organisation, but you push other people away. And as it has already been mentioned that was not the attitude of Christ, the Prophet that Christians follow, and who's attitudes they should incorporate in their lives, being humanistic. . Non-exclusive Christianity has become just as outdated and uncomforting to people. When somebody's children or grandchildren leave the Truth today, they are equally likely to become an agnostic or Buddhist or something else versus join the worldly church down the road. For the non-exclusive Christian, this means that many of their loved ones will still be condemned to eternal torture by Jesus, same as under the professing belief system. Exclusive Christianity or any exclusive body is always been a bad idea. People now expect openess and transparency.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 23, 2020 18:46:22 GMT -5
Thanks Nathan, keep well. ' And Nathan heed Redback's advice and don't light a match!
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Post by speak on Jun 23, 2020 19:57:32 GMT -5
Believers of what? You know redback when there is something said against what you believe there ends up being a hullabaloo and we are called narrow minded and when you say something against us there is a hullabaloo again and we are call narrow minded again, of course you would call that balanced. And then you put someone forth as being balanced who plainly has a huge chip on their shoulders. Then you try to compare workers from yesteryear with today it is like comparing those of yesteryear with the workers of Paul day. It's like saying that you are like your ancestors in the way you do things. Do you cook on an open fire? You know something, speak, -I really have a very hard time believing "workers today are being that much different from workers in my day,"
Are telling me that sister workers now do not have to have long hair done up on their head and that they are allowed to wear sleeveless? dresses?Come and see
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