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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2020 18:56:08 GMT -5
(and I would be considered a scientist myself) Then you should know how vaccines are approved by medical scientists. I'm not a scientist, but I know perfectly well what medical scientists need to do to have a vaccine approved -- they need a double blind study.
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Post by fixit on May 26, 2020 19:26:54 GMT -5
From the article: But the most important question I think it should be ask is this: are we absolutely certain by “science” that HCQ is efficient and saves lives? No, we are not. The chance is high, but certainly no scientist is sure about it. In a few years, we will know better. Are we then absolutely certain today that HCQ does not work? Of course we are not, no one honestly is certain of it.With 350,000 COVID-19 deaths (25,000 in Brasil) where are the HCQ placebo trial stats? Even if HCQ works, at best it would be an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. This argument seems almost comical when it's been clear for months how to stop COVID-19 in its tracks. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/russian-media-spreading-covid-19-disinformationThe disinformation steers populations away from what is proven to work. We know that proper social distancing, contact tracing and quarantine stops this virus in its tracks. The only viable alternatives would be some kind of anti-bodies testing or widespread vaccination.
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Post by Grant on May 26, 2020 19:36:25 GMT -5
There's quite a few lies in that link Shushy. A responsible person would cross check and verify before posting filth like this. Reading those lies only makes me thankful that New Zealand is taking a science-led approach to COVID-19. Yes, there was a price to pay including tempory loss of our freedoms and economic pain. But we avoided having people gasping their last in hospital car parks and mass graves in city parks. Apart from covering their eyes and pretending this is "just a 'flu" what alternatives are the anti-vaxers offering? Oh yeah... Hydroxychloroquine. I hope there will be a class action lawsuit against the anti-vax alternative health movement to compensate for all the health damage this drug causes. The following graph for New Zealand looks good to me: A graph of mental health and economic fall out would show a different picture of success in dealing with the approach.
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Post by shushy on May 26, 2020 19:43:32 GMT -5
I too want the facts and truth. alarm bells go off in me when I see more and more people stating what was once called a conspiracy a relative genuine concern by the masses and when people get removed from Facebook, youtube and other platforms then I take even more notice. I received this today vaxxter.com/unmasking-the-many-truths-about-the-covid19-plandemic/I can only tell you how I do about trying to trace down any information to determine how well I can trust the veracity of that information.
I went to your link: vaxxter.com/unmasking-the-many-truths-about-the-covid19-plandemic/ and found this: TOPICS:COVID19Plandemictest kits
Posted By: James Grundvig, 05/22/2020
By James Grundvig, Investigative Reporter for Vaxxter
I check out other reports by James Grundvig,
Then I check Vaxxter to see what is about and find:
Vaxxter is a site that promotes alternative health news. Then I check the publisher of Vaxxter which is Epoch TimesSo I check the Epoch Times
I find this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times The Epoch Times is a U.S. based international multi-language newspaper and media extension of the Falun Gong new religious movement. The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD).
For its articles, the publication draws from a network within China, as well as staff living in the West. The Epoch Times has been publishing in Chinese since May 2000.
It is either sold or distributed free-of-charge in 35 countries, including various international regional editions. The Epoch Times websites are blocked in mainland China. The media outlet is primarily known for promoting far-right politicians across Europe and the United States, and in particular for its promotion of U.S. President Donald Trump; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign The group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda.
The organization frequently promotes other Falun Gong extensions, such as the performing arts wing of the new religious movement, Shen Yun.
Then after doing that kind of search, I feel fairly able to determine whether I can trust the information that is published.
As for this particular article from this source it raises a lot of red flags for me as to whether it can trusted.
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Post by shushy on May 26, 2020 19:48:09 GMT -5
Dmmich I really do appreciate your efforts in explaining how you arrive at your understanding. thank you
when I post links I am not saying you must believe this. All I am doing is opening my mind to the possibility is this true?
We wont know all the truth about any of these problems until it is proven. Meanwhile there is a lot of strange things going on in our world. Many are just theorys.
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Post by fixit on May 26, 2020 20:18:50 GMT -5
A graph of mental health and economic fall out would show a different picture of success in dealing with the approach. Yes, there was a price to pay. There would be a mental health and economic fallout from no restrictions as well. People breathing their last in hospital car parks and mass burials in city parks is a price too high to pay IMO.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 26, 2020 20:29:21 GMT -5
Dmmich I really do appreciate your efforts in explaining how you arrive at your understanding. thank you when I post links I am not saying you must believe this. All I am doing is opening my mind to the possibility is this true? We wont know all the truth about any of these problems until it is proven. Meanwhile there is a lot of strange things going on in our world. Many are just theorys. Right! I am sorry, I wasn't meaning to criticize your link.
Links are very important to check out information. In fact, I wish people who post would use links so it can be checked.
I was just using that particular link as a example of how I to try to verify information.
There is so much information out there and so easy to access. these days. Use to be it took so much longer to even access the information.
Now sometimes it takes so much time to sift through it to determine what it verifiable.
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Post by Grant on May 26, 2020 21:13:34 GMT -5
A graph of mental health and economic fall out would show a different picture of success in dealing with the approach. Yes, there was a price to pay. There would be a mental health and economic fallout from no restrictions as well. People breathing their last in hospital car parks and mass burials in city parks is a price too high to pay IMO. No one is saying no restrictions, but a balanced approach rather than one that has an impact for years to come.
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Post by fixit on May 26, 2020 21:56:53 GMT -5
Yes, there was a price to pay. There would be a mental health and economic fallout from no restrictions as well. People breathing their last in hospital car parks and mass burials in city parks is a price too high to pay IMO. No one is saying no restrictions, but a balanced approach rather than one that has an impact for years to come. I think go hard, go early was the right approach. It's their economic vandalism that freaks me out. There's been a lot of poor quality spending of our grandkid's tax money.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2020 22:21:58 GMT -5
No one is saying no restrictions, but a balanced approach rather than one that has an impact for years to come. I think go hard, go early was the right approach. It's their economic vandalism that freaks me out. There's been a lot of poor quality spending of our grandkid's tax money. But at least she's not dead or orphaned. Dead people don't build economies.
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Post by fixit on May 26, 2020 22:34:16 GMT -5
I think go hard, go early was the right approach. It's their economic vandalism that freaks me out. There's been a lot of poor quality spending of our grandkid's tax money. But at least she's not dead or orphaned. Dead people don't build economies. True, it's sad that governments and societies didn't lockdown tight like China did in January to save lives and defeat the virus. Trump should be held to account for his "just a 'flu" thinking. Sadly some societies have both a lockdown and poor health outcomes because of too late, too soft policies.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2020 23:04:37 GMT -5
But at least she's not dead or orphaned. Dead people don't build economies. True, it's sad that governments and societies didn't lockdown tight like China did in January to save lives and defeat the virus. Trump should be held to account for his "just a 'flu" thinking. Sadly some societies have both a lockdown and poor health outcomes because of too late, too soft policies. Like US, Brazil, and Russia.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2020 23:20:46 GMT -5
True, it's sad that governments and societies didn't lockdown tight like China did in January to save lives and defeat the virus. Trump should be held to account for his "just a 'flu" thinking. Sadly some societies have both a lockdown and poor health outcomes because of too late, too soft policies. Like US, Brazil, and Russia. Yes. Bolsonaro walks among crowds without a mask. Trump refuses to wear a mask, and makes fun of Biden for wearing one. Don't count all the cases -- it'll make him look bad. The two countries where the national leaders consider it someone else's responsibility to deal with the problem.
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Post by shushy on May 27, 2020 0:12:01 GMT -5
Dmmich I really do appreciate your efforts in explaining how you arrive at your understanding. thank you when I post links I am not saying you must believe this. All I am doing is opening my mind to the possibility is this true? We wont know all the truth about any of these problems until it is proven. Meanwhile there is a lot of strange things going on in our world. Many are just theorys. Hi Shushy, as someone else said, instead of posting the post you're responding to and then your own response in a separate post, just scroll to the end of the person's post you are quoting and write at the bottom of it. Its clearer what you're responding to then. Like this?
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Post by Grant on May 27, 2020 1:35:33 GMT -5
Hi Shushy, as someone else said, instead of posting the post you're responding to and then your own response in a separate post, just scroll to the end of the person's post you are quoting and write at the bottom of it. Its clearer what you're responding to then. Like this? Yes, you're a fast learner:)
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Post by fixit on May 27, 2020 14:27:37 GMT -5
Yes, there was a price to pay. There would be a mental health and economic fallout from no restrictions as well. People breathing their last in hospital car parks and mass burials in city parks is a price too high to pay IMO. No one is saying no restrictions, but a balanced approach rather than one that has an impact for years to come. We're probably on the same page Enuf. Most NZers are relieved that we dodged the COVID-19 bullet, but I think questions about the cost will be asked going forward. Australia's more business-friendly approach achieved a similar result (proven by the willingness to join bubbles) without trashing their economy to the same extent.
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Post by shushy on May 28, 2020 2:08:52 GMT -5
The Finance minister was very concerned that forced shutdown would have made it harder to startup again.
I really feel for the people who have worked hard trying to build their businesses and the family's with not enough food finding themselves facing a bleak future. But..have to say this about the ozzies they are great pulling together in the community. Prior to this the hpmeless obtained food from food banks etc , during the last couole of months people have set up exchange pantries on theur front lawn and are sharing, or swapping food produce fir plants seedlings etc. Its great inovation and destitute people who were waiting for their stimulus package had assistance. Out of that many are gardening and learning from e ach other.
Have you stopped to think where all the funding has come from. We went from centrelink making ut difficult to obtain assistance almost over nite to being offered different stimulus packages.. It was baffling.
It has crossed my mind has this funding come from our PPSR.. do your own research. 😉
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Post by shushy on May 28, 2020 2:10:21 GMT -5
Apologies for typos
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Post by shushy on May 30, 2020 15:55:50 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 30, 2020 16:13:01 GMT -5
Do you believe that what she says is true? If so, why?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 30, 2020 16:20:02 GMT -5
Haven't the time to check this out right now but I will later.
I saw enough of the SOURCE; vision launch to cause me to be a skeptical about the source.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 30, 2020 16:24:05 GMT -5
Haven't the time to check this out right now but I will later.
I saw enough of the SOURCE; vision launch to cause me to be a skeptical about the source.
She has been discredited several times. One of her published papers was withdrawn because the experiment could not be replicated. (read dodgy) Her latest claim is that wearing a mask causes coronavirus. Her claims about Fauci are plainly wacko.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 30, 2020 16:30:58 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on May 30, 2020 18:57:43 GMT -5
The Finance minister was very concerned that forced shutdown would have made it harder to startup again. I really feel for the people who have worked hard trying to build their businesses and the family's with not enough food finding themselves facing a bleak future. But..have to say this about the ozzies they are great pulling together in the community. Prior to this the hpmeless obtained food from food banks etc , during the last couole of months people have set up exchange pantries on theur front lawn and are sharing, or swapping food produce fir plants seedlings etc. Its great inovation and destitute people who were waiting for their stimulus package had assistance. Out of that many are gardening and learning from e ach other. Have you stopped to think where all the funding has come from. We went from centrelink making ut difficult to obtain assistance almost over nite to being offered different stimulus packages.. It was baffling. It has crossed my mind has this funding come from our PPSR.. do your own research. 😉 Funding is simply borrowed money. Our grandkids will have to pay interest on it or pay it back.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 30, 2020 19:25:10 GMT -5
How about an apology from you for posting untrue statements about various stuff.
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Post by nathan on May 30, 2020 19:59:41 GMT -5
One of my customers at work told me to listen to Judy Mikovits on Fauci…. Very Interesting! there are so much information are hidden from us. Thanks, shushy….
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 30, 2020 21:03:01 GMT -5
One of my customers at work told me to listen to Judy Mikovits on Fauci…. Very Interesting! there are so much information are hidden from us. Thanks, shushy…. I am not surprised that you also believe this filth. That is why the likes of you and shushy have no credibility.
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Post by shushy on May 30, 2020 21:33:36 GMT -5
😂😂😂😂
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