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Post by Get off of TMB on Mar 30, 2020 20:26:21 GMT -5
The workers aren't able to preach in some states because the overseers fear the meetings getting into wrong hands. So their friends aren't getting any services right now. Seems like the western US workers are having gospel meetings by phone. It varies by overseer jurisdicition. In some parts of the eastern states, the friends are mostly older and uneducated compared to some regions. But they have phones. I wonder if the older overseers will change their position on technology in the future? They could create facebook groups, you tube channels, etc.. Right now, their friend are getting NO services to listen to and feed upon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 20:29:31 GMT -5
The workers aren't able to preach in some states because the overseers fear the meetings getting into wrong hands. in who's wrong hands?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 20:37:16 GMT -5
It always annoys me when I see other Christian Churches referred to as "Worldly Churches". Like many of the other derogatory terms invented by those early Workers it is a misnomer and completely false.
All Christian Churches are about the same thing, some just throw in a few unnecessary extra rules.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 20:43:08 GMT -5
The workers aren't able to preach in some states because the overseers fear the meetings getting into wrong hands. in who's wrong hands? Us, the enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 20:44:01 GMT -5
It always annoys me when I see other Christian Churches referred to as "Worldly Churches". Like many of the other derogatory terms invented by those early Workers it is a misnomer and completely false. All Christian Churches are about the same thing, some just throw in a few unnecessary extra rules. you might as well get use to it...its gonna happen....i noticed other churches use the term false church or cult a lot so we in turn use worldly church...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 20:49:39 GMT -5
Why, it is an insult, no need for it. We should be trying to unite not divide.
My dear Dad used to often mention this verse, he had a good attitude toward others.
Mark 9:38-41 New International Version (NIV)
Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 21:05:31 GMT -5
Why, it is an insult, no need for it. We should be trying to unite not divide. My dear Dad used to often mention this verse, he had a good attitude toward others. Mark 9:38-41 New International Version (NIV) Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward. i agree with those verses, as i am not entirely exclusive that doesn't change anything though insults are gonna fly between churches worldly or not....and there are more of them than 2x2's....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 21:13:29 GMT -5
Still not right Wally, no need for it. I do note that those early Workers were good at it, it was part of their sales pitch. It is encouraging to see that it has moderated over the years, and there is better acceptance now by 2x2's of other denominations. Good to see, should always be encouraged.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Mar 31, 2020 7:56:03 GMT -5
The first workers probably had a bad feeling for other churches based upon the Catholic-Protestant conflict in Northern Ireland. And younger ones picked it up from their older companions.
I never understood the wrong hands thing. Maybe a fear of dictatorships at one time. As far as someone criticizing something on the internet, why no rejoice that you are being persecuted.
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Post by christiansburg on Mar 31, 2020 11:06:21 GMT -5
The workers aren't able to preach in some states because the overseers fear the meetings getting into wrong hands. in who's wrong hands? Hey! Hey! We are very educated over here in the East. We educated your parents and grandparents and sent you West.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Mar 31, 2020 13:06:38 GMT -5
In parts of Appalachia where my family are from, there are a lot od uneducated poor people.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 31, 2020 13:20:47 GMT -5
The first workers probably had a bad feeling for other churches based upon the Catholic-Protestant conflict in Northern Ireland. And younger ones picked it up from their older companions. I never understood the wrong hands thing. Maybe a fear of dictatorships at one time. As far as someone criticizing something on the internet, why no rejoice that you are being persecuted. Much of their fear was of having their "cover blown". Some of it justified, but not all of it, I'm sure.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Mar 31, 2020 13:42:21 GMT -5
The post COVID 19 fellowship meetings we refer to will never be the same. People will learn that they can survive without fellowship with their brethern.
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2020 14:14:41 GMT -5
Since many of the friends and workers are on face book, facebook chat would be an ideal place to have a meeting. I have video chats with my 3 sisters all the time. It's great and so easy.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Mar 31, 2020 16:17:25 GMT -5
Amen Snow. It would please some of those older people to see a worker's face. Workers need to be able to check on their saints especially the older ones. Pastoring is more than preaching. Some workers have facebook accounts but most are opposed to workers being on social media in Barry Barkley country. Overseas workers use social media some. I can't think of one US overseer on facebook. Richard Gasser deleted his facebook account for some reason. And I know some people copy, paste and share too much crap on facebook. And some of the friends are WAY TOO POLITICAL. I hate it when 60 people copy and paste the same piece of information ...cancer is a horrible disease, I know 97 percent of you won't post this, please don't share but copy and paste....bla bla bla. It drives me wild!!
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Post by gustaf on Apr 4, 2020 18:09:57 GMT -5
The workers aren't able to preach in some states because the overseers fear the meetings getting into wrong hands. in who's wrong hands? The workers cannot afford any scrutiny!! Lots of things to hide! Afraid of the light? Yes!!
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 4, 2020 21:05:38 GMT -5
The Friends could tune into Charles Stanley for Sunday a.m...
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 5, 2020 4:56:48 GMT -5
I know some that do....he is good. I also like Chuck Swindoll
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 5, 2020 7:46:42 GMT -5
Some tune in to Brent Mcbride , (formerly Charles Price) from Toronto . livingtruth.ca/
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Post by nathan on Apr 5, 2020 9:21:14 GMT -5
Why, it is an insult, no need for it. We should be trying to unite not divide. My dear Dad used to often mention this verse, he had a good attitude toward others. Mark 9:38-41 New International Version (NIV) Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward. i agree with those verses, as i am not entirely exclusive that doesn't change anything though insults are gonna fly between churches worldly or not....and there are more of them than 2x2's.... ~~ Nathan wrote: Jesus was talking to the apostles that do NOT forbid the followers of Jesus to STOP them from sharing the gospel with others, and casting out demons out of people, for he is with us.
When I was in the work many workers tell the friends NOT to preach the gospel to non-2x2s but they should bring them to the gospel meetings, and let the experts/worker teach them.... That is NOT according to Jesus teachings! Apostles/workers and the friends are to teach and share the gospel to ALL, NOT only the workers/apostles responsibility.
Paul wrote in Eph. 4:11-14 The workers are to teach the friends how to be sowers, teachers, evangelists, and pastors to care for the lambs and sheep of God. So, they too can be LIVING WITNESSES for Christ to be as lights and salt in this dark world. There are too few of workers to scatter the seeds to all the world, they need the friends/followers of Jesus to help in spreading the gospel message Jesus SAVES to all nation.
Jesus said it again Jesus Matthew 7:13-23 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
~~ We point people to follow Jesus teachings explicitly and leave those who do NOT follow his teachings to God for Him to decide who is SAVED or NOT saved.
Jesus said in Matthew 13: 14-15 “Every plant that My heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by its roots. Disregard them! They are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” The Lord Jesus said “He that is not with me is against me” (Luke 11:23). Jesus said in Matthew 12:30-31 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
New International Version Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
New Living Translation so ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch.”
English Standard Version Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Berean Study Bible Disregard them! They are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
Jesus said in Matthew 12:30-31 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 5, 2020 10:36:41 GMT -5
A convention owner's wife was wishing that the overseer wasn't against teleconferencing the meetings to the old and sick. I was thinking that her and her husband were wealthy people. They could put the pressure on the overseer to make this change. The workers survive off of the friend's contributions.
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Post by fred on Apr 5, 2020 17:41:38 GMT -5
Some tune in to Brent Mcbride , (formerly Charles Price) from Toronto . livingtruth.ca/While others log onto Alistair Begg @ truthforlife.org
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2020 17:57:02 GMT -5
I know some that do....he is good. I also like Chuck Swindoll I have Chuck Swindoll's sermon all memorized.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 21:42:11 GMT -5
Why, it is an insult, no need for it. We should be trying to unite not divide. My dear Dad used to often mention this verse, he had a good attitude toward others. Mark 9:38-41 New International Version (NIV) Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward. I remember reading that... and wondering why I'd never heard it spoken about before. Tricky verse to twist, when you're the only "true sent ministry" I suppose.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 9, 2020 21:47:22 GMT -5
Why, it is an insult, no need for it. We should be trying to unite not divide. My dear Dad used to often mention this verse, he had a good attitude toward others. Mark 9:38-41 New International Version (NIV) Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward. I remember reading that... and wondering why I'd never heard it spoken about before. Tricky verse to twist, when you're the only "true sent ministry" I suppose. I got wacked on the side of the head for mentioning this. I had a hard time keeping out of trouble.
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Post by iam on Apr 9, 2020 23:39:17 GMT -5
I know some that do....he is good. I also like Chuck Swindoll I have Chuck Swindoll's sermon all memorized. Go figure, Bob has to show everyone up by memorizing Chuck Swindoll's sermon. Bet you were one of those little kids that had the children's studies in gospel meetings memorized too with all the right answers. Show-off! 😄
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 0:11:36 GMT -5
It always annoys me when I see other Christian Churches referred to as "Worldly Churches". Like many of the other derogatory terms invented by those early Workers it is a misnomer and completely false. All Christian Churches are about the same thing, some just throw in a few unnecessary extra rules. you might as well get use to it...its gonna happen....i noticed other churches use the term false church or cult a lot so we in turn use worldly church... That is not the reason you use the term “worldly” church. The 2x2 church uses the term “worldly” church as a slur on other Christian churches to help reinforce its belief that all other churches are false churches. It is one of a number of tactics used to provide a rationale for this belief, another being to present other Christian churches as “non scriptural” on the basis of a few verses in Mathew 10 or the old “God does not dwell in Temples made with hands”. Of course by presenting other churches as “worldly” the 2x2 church subtly presents itself as “unworldly” and then uses this as a basis for claiming that the 2x2 church is the one “true church” and the workers God’s “true servants” despite its workers having instant access to all the world can offer through iPads and laptops and smart phones just like everybody else. Damming other Christian churches as “worldly” and claiming that their clergy are destined for hell has been a fundamental part of 2x2 doctrine from the very beginning. It even predates Sunday morning meetings. To suggest that the 2x2 church only does this as a consequence of other churches doing it is, I suspect, an attempt to present the church in a more positive light than would otherwise be the case if the true facts were known. The true facts are that 2x2 church doctrine is that your Christian neighbour is going to hell unless he comes out of his Christian church and professes through the workers and accepts the 2x2 church as the one true church and the workers as God’s only true servants. Matt10
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Post by iam on Apr 10, 2020 0:17:42 GMT -5
you might as well get use to it...its gonna happen....i noticed other churches use the term false church or cult a lot so we in turn use worldly church... That is not the reason you use the term “worldly” church. The 2x2 church uses the term “worldly” church as a slur on other Christian churches to help reinforce its belief that all other churches are false churches. It is one of a number of tactics used to provide a rationale for this belief, another being to present other Christian churches as “non scriptural” on the basis of a few verses in Mathew 10 or the old “God does not dwell in Temples made with hands”. Of course by presenting other churches as “worldly” the 2x2 church subtly presents itself as “unworldly” and then uses this as a basis for claiming that the 2x2 church is the one “true church” and the workers God’s “true servants” despite its workers having instant access to all the world can offer through iPads and laptops and smart phones just like everybody else. Damming other Christian churches as “worldly” and claiming that their clergy are destined for hell has been a fundamental part of 2x2 doctrine from the very beginning. It even predates Sunday morning meetings. To suggest that the 2x2 church only does this as a consequence of other churches doing it is, I suspect, an attempt to present the church in a more positive light than would otherwise be the case if the true facts were known. The true facts are that 2x2 church doctrine is that your Christian neighbour is going to hell unless he comes out of his Christian church and professes through the workers and accepts the 2x2 church as the one true church and the workers as the God’s only true servants. Matt10 Just wondering how does it predate Sunday morning meetings?
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