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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 16:03:19 GMT -5
I think , curly is referring to the claims made , that the workers are HoMELESS, which is obviously not accurate - and I’m glad it isn’t true and they do have a place to go . Pity the people who truly are homeless . Alvin I have seen "homeless workers" with more shoes than Imelda Marcos and wardrobes packed with clothes and bit and pieces from their pre worker days. Hypocritical. Come now curly that's a bit over the top. We have the women workers here many a time and I know the baggage would not hold that much. I would think that them having clothes being kept is no problem, can't see that being hypocritical. You don't need to be so harsh my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 16:42:20 GMT -5
Well Willis Propp was in a retirement home in Mesa until he passed . His brother Coy & Marlene Propp owned it hhhnmmm ! They were 🇨🇦 born . Nice place . Someone’s paid . Jack Price was in a great facility . We cannot afford a place like that for mom . Over $3000 She should have gone the work and be faithful to the end with flying colors to live in such nice professing friends nursing homes. I am very glad and happy for those retired workers, they have earned every penny of it in their last days. We know the worker's life is NOT bed full of roses! or easy... Those of us who had been there know about these things. God is kind to His servants NOT to give their all and end up sleeping in the street after they retired from the work. Who wants to work for a God that can't take care of those who gave their all to Him.
They stay in nursing homes where the friends can take very good care of them... Many nursing homes do NOT take good care of their patients, often ignored.
Jesus said in Matthew 19:27-19 27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Its BS. They impose on themselves their own petty hardships, impose their preferences on everyone else, suppose they are deserving of the highest place now and evermore, depose of anyone who doesn't see likewise, and superimpose their cult over the gospel. The words of Jesus come to mind... "they have their reward".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 16:43:36 GMT -5
I have seen "homeless workers" with more shoes than Imelda Marcos and wardrobes packed with clothes and bit and pieces from their pre worker days. Hypocritical. Come now curly that's a bit over the top. We have the women workers here many a time and I know the baggage would not hold that much. I would think that them having clothes being kept is no problem, can't see that being hypocritical. You don't need to be so harsh my friend. ours had a home where they kept the majority of their possessions. This gave the appearance of poor and homeless, which is all that mattered of course.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 16:49:19 GMT -5
Why are you so intent on ending the world? Yet you probably are trying to stay alive at the moment. Isn't that a contradiction? It makes no sense to me. The world is NOT going to END/burn up/GONE forever, YET! It's going to be quite awhile for the whole world comes to an END. It is an END for the gentiles era 2000 yrs in hearing the gospel Jesus SAVES/Savior to enter the kingdom of God.
After the Gentiles time to hear the gospel has expired, then Jesus returns to set up His eternal kingdom on earth, where He and his born again believers will rule for 1000 yrs (symbol of the complete time frame) on the earth and throughout the Universe! During the 1000 years reign, Satan will be put in prison/inner earth for 1000 years. After 1000 yrs time/period are over God loose Satan then he gather all of his demonic army of fallen angels to fight against God and Christ the last/final battle in Israel. God destroyed Satan's army with fire from heaven.
Final judgment of all unbelievers on earth and the go where they belong then God will destroy/burn up the OLD earth and heaven completely! Celebration of the Lamb of God/Christ wedding in heaven, then we will go to the New heaven and earth where God has created for the believers and them to live forever.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 16:53:15 GMT -5
She should have gone the work and be faithful to the end with flying colors to live in such nice professing friends nursing homes. I am very glad and happy for those retired workers, they have earned every penny of it in their last days. We know the worker's life is NOT bed full of roses! or easy... Those of us who had been there know about these things. God is kind to His servants NOT to give their all and end up sleeping in the street after they retired from the work. Who wants to work for a God that can't take care of those who gave their all to Him.
They stay in nursing homes where the friends can take very good care of them... Many nursing homes do NOT take good care of their patients, often ignored.
Jesus said in Matthew 19:27-19 27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Its BS. They impose on themselves their own petty hardships, impose their preferences on everyone else, suppose they are deserving of the highest place now and evermore, depose of anyone who doesn't see likewise, and superimpose their cult over the gospel. The words of Jesus come to mind... "they have their reward". You had NEVR been a worker? right... So, how would you know? are you speaking from a worker's experience? You are speaking from an outsider/NOT a worker, an outsider looking in maybe, it is you who is talking nonsense, here. Jesus said his servants will receive 100 folds here and now, and a lot more to come after death.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 16:57:30 GMT -5
They started as poor and homeless with the original concept developed by WI. Everybody was a Worker, it was a one tier system. But that concept soon got changed, a few of the smart ones could see that the two tier system was a more practical way to go. Clergy with working Laity to support them. Just that they forgot to drop the homeless and poor line. Doubt you would every hear it nowadays.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 16:58:41 GMT -5
Come now curly that's a bit over the top. We have the women workers here many a time and I know the baggage would not hold that much. I would think that them having clothes being kept is no problem, can't see that being hypocritical. You don't need to be so harsh my friend. ours had a home where they kept the majority of their possessions. This gave the appearance of poor and homeless, which is all that mattered of course. ALL workers who started in the work with ZERO and MOST leave the work with hardly money in their wallets/purses... Yes, the workers accumulate things through the years in the work, some hoarded things to store it but many workers share what they don't need to other workers or to the friends who are in needs.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 17:02:41 GMT -5
They started as poor and homeless with the original concept developed by WI. Everybody was a Worker, it was a one tier system. But that concept soon got changed, a few of the smart ones could see that the two tier system was a more practical way to go. Clergy with working Laity to support them. Just that they forgot to drop the homeless and poor line. Doubt you would every hear it nowadays. William Irvine and 2x2 workers copied the TWO tiers system from the Faith Mission group, John Govan the Faith Mission group. Preachers and the friends/followers. Their preachers stay in the homes of their converts... Jesus and the apostles did the same in the gospels and in the book of Acts, they move from house to house of the believers, who provide them foods, homes to stay for the nights and money for their journey missions.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2020 17:04:53 GMT -5
Yes, most of the workers who left the work for whatever reason are homeless, they have no home of their own to stay in, they depend mostly on the friends or their families to take care of them for little while so, they can get back on their own two feet to find work to pay for the apartment, foods, auto and so on... [/font][/b] [/quote] None of that counts as homelessness. The only homeless ex-worker I know of is the one who had to sleep in the old car they had given her.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2020 17:07:43 GMT -5
They started as poor and homeless with the original concept developed by WI. Everybody was a Worker, it was a one tier system. But that concept soon got changed, a few of the smart ones could see that the two tier system was a more practical way to go. Clergy with working Laity to support them. Just that they forgot to drop the homeless and poor line. Doubt you would every hear it nowadays. It's hard to drop the mantra.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 1, 2020 17:08:58 GMT -5
So ya want me to go into the work Nathan ? I did take mom to visit him . The financial situation of the worker’s is good in many many places .
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2020 17:09:33 GMT -5
I actually heard an elderly sister workers say in a gospel meeting that the workers were not meant to be poor -- they were just required to "accept in secrecy".
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Post by Grant on Apr 1, 2020 17:16:24 GMT -5
They started as poor and homeless with the original concept developed by WI. Everybody was a Worker, it was a one tier system. But that concept soon got changed, a few of the smart ones could see that the two tier system was a more practical way to go. Clergy with working Laity to support them. Just that they forgot to drop the homeless and poor line. Doubt you would every hear it nowadays. William Irvine and 2x2 workers copied the TWO tiers system from the Faith Mission group, John Govan the Faith Mission group. Preachers and the friends/followers. Their preachers stay in the homes of their converts... Jesus and the apostles did the same in the gospels and in the book of Acts, they move from house to house of the believers, who provide them foods, homes to stay for the nights and money for their journey missions.I often heard the workers say that like Jesus they had no where to lay their head. Jesus and the apostles did not have any converts houses to stay in. Their was no Gospel or converts when they went to a new area. They were wandering preachers. Do you think Paul and the rest of them had prearranged accommodation? They spent a lot of time on the road.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 17:20:36 GMT -5
So ya want me to go into the work Nathan ? I did take mom to visit him . The financial situation of the worker’s is good in many many places . The work is NOT for everybody; don't go in the work if you haven't heard the call from God to go. The Stress of life like having no privacy or time for yourself, eat whatever the friends cook for you, loneliness, go with whoever, and whenever they tell you, can drive you up the walls.
The workers sometimes, have no money for gas, and rent for the gospel buildings so, they don't always it made in the shades as people think.
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Post by Grant on Apr 1, 2020 17:21:16 GMT -5
ours had a home where they kept the majority of their possessions. This gave the appearance of poor and homeless, which is all that mattered of course. ALL workers who started in the work with ZERO and MOST leave the work with hardly money in their wallets/purses... Yes, the workers accumulate things through the years in the work, some hoarded things to store it but many workers share what they don't need to other workers or to the friends who are in needs.They don't start with zero, they start with prearranged accommodation, food, car etc. included.
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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 17:26:41 GMT -5
So ya want me to go into the work Nathan ? I did take mom to visit him . The financial situation of the worker’s is good in many many places . And tell me why shouldn' t their financial situation be good?
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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 17:27:26 GMT -5
ALL workers who started in the work with ZERO and MOST leave the work with hardly money in their wallets/purses... Yes, the workers accumulate things through the years in the work, some hoarded things to store it but many workers share what they don't need to other workers or to the friends who are in needs. They don't start with zero, they start with prearranged accommodation, food, car etc. included. Yea and what is wrong with that?
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 17:31:50 GMT -5
William Irvine and 2x2 workers copied the TWO tiers system from the Faith Mission group, John Govan the Faith Mission group. Preachers and the friends/followers. Their preachers stay in the homes of their converts... Jesus and the apostles did the same in the gospels and in the book of Acts, they move from house to house of the believers, who provide them foods, homes to stay for the nights and money for their journey missions. I often heard the workers say that like Jesus they had no where to lay their head. Jesus and the apostles did not have any converts houses to stay in. Their was no Gospel or converts when they went to a new area. They were wandering preachers. They are wandering preachers, Jesus stayed in the homes of Zacheus, Mary, Marth and Lazarus and they slept in the open sky, mountain, and so on... In the book of Acts we read the apostle Peter stayed in the home of Cornelius the centurion. Paul and his co-workers stayed in the home of Lydia the seller of purple, the Jailer, and many of their converts through their 3 mission journeys.
Do you think Paul and the rest of them had prearranged accommodation? They spent a lot of time on the road. YesWell, the apostles had to stay somewhere every night.... they had money so, they stayed in rented rooms, and stayed with the believers whenever the could. They stayed in the home of Philip the evangelist and many of the believers in different places and countries. Just like natural families, you know where they live and who they are... sometimes, they write letter or send a message ahead to let them know they were passing through the area.
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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 17:37:24 GMT -5
William Irvine and 2x2 workers copied the TWO tiers system from the Faith Mission group, John Govan the Faith Mission group. Preachers and the friends/followers. Their preachers stay in the homes of their converts... Jesus and the apostles did the same in the gospels and in the book of Acts, they move from house to house of the believers, who provide them foods, homes to stay for the nights and money for their journey missions. I often heard the workers say that like Jesus they had no where to lay their head. Jesus and the apostles did not have any converts houses to stay in. Their was no Gospel or converts when they went to a new area. They were wandering preachers. Do you think Paul and the rest of them had prearranged accommodation? They spent a lot of time on the road. And that is right, they do not own a place to lay their heads as Jesus, but Jesus did lay His head whether in someones house or on the ground or in a barn maybe but He did lay His head, He did not physically own a property were to lay His head. Does the Bible say that there was no prearranged accommodation for Paul? They may have spent a lot of time on the road and hired accommodation on the way who knows. Where does it say in the Bible that Jesus and the apostles did not have any converts houses to stay in? What about the women at the well? new area but they were invited to stay, I bet they weren't just shown a patch of ground to sleep on.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 17:38:17 GMT -5
ALL workers who started in the work with ZERO and MOST leave the work with hardly money in their wallets/purses... Yes, the workers accumulate things through the years in the work, some hoarded things to store it but many workers share what they don't need to other workers or to the friends who are in needs. They don't start with zero, they start with prearranged accommodation, food, car etc. included. Nope, they start with Zero! money in their pocket at convention. After the convention, the overseer gave each young worker 200 dollars and the older ones maybe 500 dollars in 1986-94 to pay for gas money and rent money for the gospel meeting building.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 1, 2020 17:58:19 GMT -5
Well I am not a candidate for a worker . So I guess the worker’s got iPads free , along with phones , and come into my mothers room looking for that envelope . I called Brady and told him , don’t look anymore . Part of my pay covers the cost of her care . I don’t have a platinum credit card and fly overseas to attend a convention . Of course I wanted to buy a skirt $140 outta my range . But a worker had it . Believe me there is money to be had .There is a trail there . Another bunnie trail . When you offer they take all your money and you get a stipend . They are aware before they offer I think 🤔 Like I say some really great worker’s but not all . They don’t like they sheep to know about the money . It’s been used to settle some problems . Pay them (victim) and then they will go away . Never said they didn’t earn it Come on Nathan ! How do they inherit ? Some 2X2’s leave all to the worker’s . Good for them . But be truthful .Is the another case of don’t ask don’t tell . Whew 😥
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 1, 2020 18:10:41 GMT -5
Nathan worker’s are well looked after . It is not that simple Nathan . Where do they get the $5000 a month for the facility ? It was a nice place , in Mesa , outta price range for a 86 year old lady like my mom , 77 years , she gave many envelopes . How does that work ! I failed math . Plus my dad was in a home . Perhaps we should ask for help
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 1, 2020 18:15:18 GMT -5
Yes they are entitled to money . Never said they were not . I was asking how they can afford such trips and stuff . I wish I could place my mom in a really really nice one ! Don’t wanna play today Nathan . Too bad I don’t know how to send a picture . Why ? My oldest daughter is in isolation in Saskatoon RGH . The picture sent to me was terrifying . Because we have been told 99% she has covid19 . I can’t go . Oh I wish I could go . Zithromax has been started . But she has a heart defect , Hep C and a tumour on her pituitary gland . I wish you could see . A long time needle user . So good for the worker’s I don’t care . IMO BTW Charlie Ross my great uncle was a worker . He didn’t swim over . Had money when he arrived . Chill out !
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 1, 2020 18:25:09 GMT -5
I have seen "homeless workers" with more shoes than Imelda Marcos and wardrobes packed with clothes and bit and pieces from their pre worker days. Hypocritical. Come now curly that's a bit over the top. We have the women workers here many a time and I know the baggage would not hold that much. I would think that them having clothes being kept is no problem, can't see that being hypocritical. You don't need to be so harsh my friend. Not at all over the top, I am speaking of clothes and shoes that did not travel with the worker but stayed "at home" Those and the tons of stuff accumulated prior to going into the work were still there. Then there were the conversations about going home after conventions etc. If you are going to be a worker according to the rules, then be a worker. Don't take the half arsed approach that this one and one or two others I know did.
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Post by Grant on Apr 1, 2020 18:55:24 GMT -5
They don't start with zero, they start with prearranged accommodation, food, car etc. included. Yea and what is wrong with that? Nothing wrong with it at all, that's the point. They don't start with zero as Nathan said, they start with prearranged accommodation, food etc They say the are poor homeless preachers who like Jesus has no where to lay their head which is not true. Saying and preaching one thing but doing another is what is wrong with that. They criticize other ministers for having things but so do they.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 18:57:42 GMT -5
Well I am not a candidate for a worker . So I guess the worker’s got iPads free , along with phones , and come into my mothers room looking for that envelope . I called Brady and told him , don’t look anymore . Part of my pay covers the cost of her care . I don’t have a platinum credit card and fly overseas to attend a convention . Of course I wanted to buy a skirt $140 outta my range . But a worker had it . Believe me there is money to be had .There is a trail there . Another bunnie trail . When you offer they take all your money and you get a stipend . They are aware before they offer I think 🤔 Like I say some really great worker’s but not all . They don’t like they sheep to know about the money . It’s been used to settle some problems . Pay them (victim) and then they will go away . Never said they didn’t earn it Come on Nathan ! How do they inherit ? Some 2X2’s leave all to the worker’s . Good for them . But be truthful .Is the another case of don’t ask don’t tell . Whew 😥 No the Ipads, cell-Phone are not free, and with the cell phones those you must pay it for yourself or given to you by someone or from your own families members. Usually, their families and sometimes the friends buy these things for the workers. The overseers do NOT supply these things to the workers for free. The friends trust funds use to pay workers cancer treatment hospital bills, nursing homes cares for retired workers, paying for the workers apartment money labor overseas, buying airline tickets going and coming back from overseers, using the money for conventions update with the latest regulations, safety for the friends and the list is endless... Sometimes People think the workers have it made in the shades, easy lifestyle, and so on... That is very misleading and not the whole truth! too many fake news! are out there. If the work is an easy life, why? so many are leaving the work?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 18:57:51 GMT -5
So ya want me to go into the work Nathan ? I did take mom to visit him . The financial situation of the worker’s is good in many many places . And tell me why shouldn' t their financial situation be good?Of course nobody expects them to be paupers. But acknowledge it don't trot out the line we are poor and homeless. All Ministers don't own homes, the Church provides one for them and their family. Same situation, they just don't go on about it, as if it is a badge of honour. You will find that Ministers are much more active in pastoral duties, they do earn their stipend. Their stipend is a set amount and all monies are accounted for and reported to the congregation. I think you will find that most Churches don't have the hefty air travel bill that 2x2's have. That would be reduced at the moment, the Workers would have had their wings clipped. I've never understood why there is so much travel, but I guess the locals become bored if they have to be listen to the same ones all the time. Sort of bit like TMB, we only have one Worker and we could do with a new one.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 20:23:58 GMT -5
And tell me why shouldn' t their financial situation be good?Of course nobody expects them to be paupers. But acknowledge it don't trot out the line we are poor and homeless. All Ministers don't own homes, the Church provides one for them and their family. Same situation, they just don't go on about it, as if it is a badge of honour. You will find that Ministers are much more active in pastoral duties, they do earn there stipend. Their stipend is a set amount and all monies are accounted for and reported to the congregation. I think you will find that most Churches don't have the hefty air travel bill that 2x2's have. That would be reduced at the moment, the Workers would have had their wings clipped. That is why they call Itinerant workers... flying, and driving from one place to another! The workers move around every day NOT to stay in one field from 1 year for the younger ones and 3 years for the senior workers.
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