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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 20:41:26 GMT -5
Well I am not a candidate for a worker . So I guess the worker’s got iPads free , along with phones , and come into my mothers room looking for that envelope . I called Brady and told him , don’t look anymore . Part of my pay covers the cost of her care . I don’t have a platinum credit card and fly overseas to attend a convention . Of course I wanted to buy a skirt $140 outta my range . But a worker had it . Believe me there is money to be had .There is a trail there . Another bunnie trail . When you offer they take all your money and you get a stipend . They are aware before they offer I think 🤔 Like I say some really great worker’s but not all . They don’t like they sheep to know about the money . It’s been used to settle some problems . Pay them (victim) and then they will go away . Never said they didn’t earn it Come on Nathan ! How do they inherit ? Some 2X2’s leave all to the worker’s . Good for them . But be truthful .Is the another case of don’t ask don’t tell . Whew 😥 Seems like you have a woe is me problem and wanting to know others business. I certainly don't want anybody to know how much I gave and to whom it went and what they used it for, none of anyone else business.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 20:42:30 GMT -5
William Irvine and 2x2 workers copied the TWO tiers system from the Faith Mission group, John Govan the Faith Mission group. Preachers and the friends/followers. Their preachers stay in the homes of their converts... Jesus and the apostles did the same in the gospels and in the book of Acts, they move from house to house of the believers, who provide them foods, homes to stay for the nights and money for their journey missions. I often heard the workers say that like Jesus they had no where to lay their head. Jesus and the apostles did not have any converts houses to stay in. Their was no Gospel or converts when they went to a new area. They were wandering preachers. Do you think Paul and the rest of them had prearranged accommodation? They spent a lot of time on the road. how quickly we forget, zacchaeus a non-believer jew was TOLD Jesus would abide with him...so much for asking and not having a place to stay....if he did it on this occasion i am sure he did it a number of other times...yet he was considered homeless....and He did stay with those that were converts look at mary and miriam and lazarus home he supped there and probably stayed the night...yet was considered homeless... and then of course we have the beginning of his ministry when he had a place to dwell....yet was considered homeless... Joh 1:38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? Joh 1:39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. its no different for the workers.... a homeless ministry like the workers have is simply they don't own the homes they are staying in among their followers. yes there have been a few workers who broke that condition but thats not the group as a whole...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 1, 2020 20:44:53 GMT -5
Willis Propp got caught dipping into and using and hiding money . Come on get real . Just like the government they are running a back channel . Just real life !
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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 20:46:33 GMT -5
Come now curly that's a bit over the top. We have the women workers here many a time and I know the baggage would not hold that much. I would think that them having clothes being kept is no problem, can't see that being hypocritical. You don't need to be so harsh my friend. Not at all over the top, I am speaking of clothes and shoes that did not travel with the worker but stayed "at home" Those and the tons of stuff accumulated prior to going into the work were still there. Then there were the conversations about going home after conventions etc. If you are going to be a worker according to the rules, then be a worker. Don't take the half arsed approach that this one and one or two others I know did. But what is wrong with clothes and shoes that did not travel with the worker but stayed "at home"? I would have to wonder would have "tons'' of stuff? What is wrong with going home after conventions? What rules cover a worker after convention?
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Post by xna on Apr 1, 2020 20:51:14 GMT -5
FYI
The mormon missionary’s living expenses will increase to $500 beginning July 1, 2020. That is a 25% increase over the current rate of $400, which has been in place since 2003.
I'm told it's common for the family to also send them money.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 20:54:10 GMT -5
FYI The mormon missionary’s living expenses will increase to $500 beginning July 1, 2020. That is a 25% increase over the current rate of $400, which has been in place since 2003. I'm told it's common for the family to also send them money. back in 1990 lived next to 2 mormon missionaries they got 400$ per month and their rent was 550$ per month so they had to pool their monies just to survive and yes they got money from home from time to time.....
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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 20:55:52 GMT -5
And tell me why shouldn' t their financial situation be good?Of course nobody expects them to be paupers. But acknowledge it don't trot out the line we are poor and homeless. All Ministers don't own homes, the Church provides one for them and their family. Same situation, they just don't go on about it, as if it is a badge of honour. You will find that Ministers are much more active in pastoral duties, they do earn their stipend. Their stipend is a set amount and all monies are accounted for and reported to the congregation. I think you will find that most Churches don't have the hefty air travel bill that 2x2's have. That would be reduced at the moment, the Workers would have had their wings clipped. I've never understood why there is so much travel, but I guess the locals become bored if they have to be listen to the same ones all the time. Sort of bit like TMB, we only have one Worker and we could do with a new one. I have never heard a worker or read a worker saying they were poor and homeless yet, I have heard about a homeless ministry an itinerant ministry but not poor. I tell you what my friend that I enjoy hearing from overseas experiences and would gladly make an offering for them to come. I would wonder how Paul and his companions got over the water without paying for the ride. There has been times when I have offered and have been asked to give to the needy because they had enough. You have a rather bitter tone about what the workers have and do?
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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 20:59:01 GMT -5
Willis Propp got caught dipping into and using and hiding money . Come on get real . Just like the government they are running a back channel . Just real life ! Conspiracy Who's money?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 1, 2020 21:12:45 GMT -5
I do not have a woe me . I don’t gives a rats butt what they do ! I don’t dig into others info . Those lines are directly on the TTT forum . They also went before a court . Where they were compelled to show the court . Whatever works for you , I’v got enough drama in my life . I don’t speak badly all the time . Yes I protect my mom and will continue to . Until I walk in someone’s shoes I can’t speak about their journey . That’s judgmental . Those are facts . Seek out the person that wrote them in court . But I can speak about what I see . I could tell you horror stories . All fact checked . My dad was a elder and we discussed the mass excommunication over and over . Because there were souls put out and families forever broken shattered . Workers made a few mistakes on that ——show . We continued on with them as they were aunts and uncles to us . Whatever works to make you feel better , carry on !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 21:56:42 GMT -5
Nathan's quote, "That is why they call Itinerant workers... flying, and driving from one place to another! The workers move around every day."
With all that travelling they must be weary travellers. They wouldn't get much time to do any work. Are you sure that they are not just sight seeing.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 22:01:07 GMT -5
Nathan's quote, "That is why they call Itinerant workers... flying, and driving from one place to another! The workers move around every day." With all that travelling they must be weary travellers. They wouldn't get much time to do any work. Are you sure that they are not just sight seeing. Have you seen been to conventions or special meeting workers tours ever? They work those workers to death, travelling here and there everywhere by the time you are done with them! most of them are half-dead and take weeks to recuperate. They go into danger area, no good drinking water, malaria to see the friends and some of them get really sick when they get back to their countries.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 22:06:26 GMT -5
Come on Nathan get real. They get well looked after. Not near as hard as laying bricks all day. I had the privilege of being a Waiter on the Worker's table at Convention. They seemed to be doing alright there, it wasn't normal Convention tucker.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 22:12:13 GMT -5
I do not have a woe me . I don’t gives a rats butt what they do ! I don’t dig into others info . Those lines are directly on the TTT forum . They also went before a court . Where they were compelled to show the court . Whatever works for you , I’v got enough drama in my life . I don’t speak badly all the time . Yes I protect my mom and will continue to . Until I walk in someone’s shoes I can’t speak about their journey . That’s judgmental . Those are facts . Seek out the person that wrote them in court . But I can speak about what I see . I could tell you horror stories . All fact checked . My dad was a elder and we discussed the mass excommunication over and over . Because there were souls put out and families forever broken shattered . Workers made a few mistakes on that ——show . We continued on with them as they were aunts and uncles to us . Whatever works to make you feel better , carry on ! Sometimes because of your hurts you write things that you don't fully understand fully and that can create hurts feelings from the people on the other end. You don't like people to hurt you, or your mom... The people on the other end don't want you to say things hurt their families either.
Yes, I know and read about Canada and Vietnam excommunication situation. Both sides were to blame and none of them want to fix the problem or apologize to each others so, it went from bad to worse. I read your pains and I feel for you but don't take it out on every body. Both sides fell into Satan's traps and hurt and destroy each others and many lost their crowns of life. Like they tell me on here don't believe everything you read on the Net/TTT website, the owner is bias and has her own agenda against the 2x2s group.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 22:19:26 GMT -5
Come on Nathan get real. They get well looked after. Not near as hard as laying bricks all day. I had the privilege of being a Waiter on the Worker's table at Convention. They seemed to be doing alright there, it wasn't normal Convention tucker. Yes, they are well taken care of I had been there so I know. Like Jesus had said He would take good care of His servants like God taken care the birds and the lilies flowers in the field so, the workers NEED NOT to worry about food, places to stay over nights or money for their journeys. God will provide move His people to make provision for His servants. Preach the gospel, feed the Lambs and sheep and all these natural things shall be given unto you by their converts. Matthew 6:25-34 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 22:29:36 GMT -5
Nathan you are one confused person you can give it but you can't take it. There is absolutely no justification for you comment "Like they tell me on here don't believe everything you read on the Net/TTT website, the owner is bias and has her own agenda against the 2x2s group."
Cherie is a most honest person, with the highest integrity. She should be praised for the work she has done with TTT. It is a credit to her, and you can rest assured that 2x2's tap into it all the time.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 1, 2020 22:47:35 GMT -5
Nathan you are one confused person you can give it but you can't take it. There is absolutely no justification for you comment "Like they tell me on here don't believe everything you read on the Net/TTT website, the owner is bias and has her own agenda against the 2x2s group." Cherie is a most honest person, with the highest integrity. She should be praised for the work she has done with TTT. It is a credit to her, and you can rest assured that 2x2's tap into it all the time. nathan obviously doesn't see the irony in his post about CherieKropp ! We all know who has a bias and adds to what the F&Ws believe !!
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 1, 2020 23:01:25 GMT -5
Of course nobody expects them to be paupers. But acknowledge it don't trot out the line we are poor and homeless. All Ministers don't own homes, the Church provides one for them and their family. Same situation, they just don't go on about it, as if it is a badge of honour. You will find that Ministers are much more active in pastoral duties, they do earn there stipend. Their stipend is a set amount and all monies are accounted for and reported to the congregation. I think you will find that most Churches don't have the hefty air travel bill that 2x2's have. That would be reduced at the moment, the Workers would have had their wings clipped. That is why they call Itinerant workers... flying, and driving from one place to another! The workers move around every day NOT to stay in one field from 1 year for the younger ones
Hopefully, never follow Ken Copeland’s example , of having private jets to move around . At least , travelling in “tubes with demons “ , is definitely cheaper than private jets . Gulfstreams , are sure better at spreading the gospel in a hurry though . Creflo needed divine intervention for 65 million dollar for a “Jesus Jet”. Please send me funds - old c172 is hours over smoh .
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Post by iam on Apr 1, 2020 23:01:59 GMT -5
Just be careful because people are going crazy from isolation. Actually I've just been talking about this with the microwave and toaster and all of us agreed that things are getting bad. I didn't mention anything to the washing machine because she puts a different spin on everything. Certainly not to the fridge because he is acting cold and distant. In the end the iron calmed me down because she said everything is fine, nothing is too pressing. The vacuum was very unsympathetic...told me to just suck it up, but the fan was more optimistic and hoped that it would all soon blow over. The toilet looked a bit flushed when I asked it's opinion and didn't say anything but the doorknob told me to get a grip. The front door told me was I was unhinged so the curtains told me... you guessed it...to pull myself together!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 23:04:12 GMT -5
Just be careful because people are going crazy from isolation. Actually I've just been talking about this with the microwave and toaster and all of us agreed that things are getting bad. I didn't mention anything to the washing machine because she puts a different spin on everything. Certainly not to the fridge because he is acting cold and distant. In the end the iron calmed me down because she said everything is fine, nothing is too pressing. The vacuum was very unsympathetic...told me to just suck it up, but the fan was more optimistic and hoped that it would all soon blow over. The toilet looked a bit flushed when I asked it's opinion and didn't say anything but the doorknob told me to get a grip. The front door told me was I was unhinged so the curtains told me... you guessed it...to pull myself together! LOL....
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 23:05:05 GMT -5
Nathan you are one confused person you can give it but you can't take it. There is absolutely no justification for you comment "Like they tell me on here don't believe everything you read on the Net/TTT website, the owner is bias and has her own agenda against the 2x2s group." Cherie is a most honest person, with the highest integrity. She should be praised for the work she has done with TTT. It is a credit to her, and you can rest assured that 2x2's tap into it all the time. Well, we will find out in the judgment day on that for sure, we see the result already not so good. Many of the current friends and workers don't agree with it, if they agree with her this is NOT Jesus Truth and Way, but William Irvine started Jesus truth and Way 120+ years ago by himself in 1897, there should NOT be any 2x2s left by now because they don't want to follow no MAN! ...
How long has TTT been on the Internet now... 20 yrs.... And the 2x2s are still alive and going... God is using the Exes websites to cleanse the churches/God's people and purifying ministry/with CSA to get the Bride ready to meet the Bridegroom/Christ Jesus returns in the sky.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 1, 2020 23:12:47 GMT -5
Just be careful because people are going crazy from isolation. Actually I've just been talking about this with the microwave and toaster and all of us agreed that things are getting bad. I didn't mention anything to the washing machine because she puts a different spin on everything. Certainly not to the fridge because he is acting cold and distant. In the end the iron calmed me down because she said everything is fine, nothing is too pressing. The vacuum was very unsympathetic...told me to just suck it up, but the fan was more optimistic and hoped that it would all soon blow over. The toilet looked a bit flushed when I asked it's opinion and didn't say anything but the doorknob told me to get a grip. The front door told me was I was unhinged so the curtains told me... you guessed it...to pull myself together! Talking to inanimate objects would be termed a psychosis.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 23:18:24 GMT -5
It was never the intention of TTT to wipe out 2x2's that is a ridiculous assumption on your part. It is a collection of articles about 2x2's, many written or provided to Cherie by 2x2's. It means that they can be kept for posterity, a valuable resource for the future. It is something that the 2x2's should have done themselves, but they are slack arse in this regard.
Nathan a lot of your comment is your own opinion, and really has no relevance. You are all over the place like a Dog's breakfast.
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 1, 2020 23:19:39 GMT -5
But , but , but I disagree, totally and I was talking to my clothes and one of them just skirted around , dressed me down , tied me up , and as I lay there , panting , told me we will find out on judgement day who is physchotic and I guarantee , it ain’t me , babe , no, no , no it ain’t me ......it ain’t me you’re looking for .........and I’ve got the Cash to prove it ... m.youtube.com/watch?v=tT4_jSUNzWw.... just talking crazy ......... AGAiN
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Post by speak on Apr 1, 2020 23:26:51 GMT -5
Come on Nathan get real. They get well looked after. Not near as hard as laying bricks all day. I had the privilege of being a Waiter on the Worker's table at Convention. They seemed to be doing alright there, it wasn't normal Convention tucker. Of course they get well looked after and it is we who look after them well, it is our privilege and honour, it is what we love to do. I get feed very well at convention as well and I certainly have no complaints in what I have and what they have. I am glad they were alright there.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 23:30:19 GMT -5
It was never the intention of TTT to wipe out 2x2's that is a ridiculous assumption on your part. It is a collection of articles about 2x2's, many written or provided to Cherie by 2x2's. It means that they can be kept for posterity, a valuable resource for the future. It is something that the 2x2's should have done themselves, but they are slack arse in this regard. Nathan a lot of your comment is your own opinion, and really has no relevance. You are all over the place like a Dog's breakfast. Who are you trying to fool? the 2x2s are NOT that stupid, you know. We have been at this topic for over 20 on the different message boards. Like William Irvine started this in 1897 and that was NOT the truth at all. William Irvine and early days 2x2 workers copied the 2x2 Itinerant ministry and some form of Sunday morning worship from them too! the lingo, workers, sister/brothers workers, meetings, conventions, profess, and so on...
And the Faith Mission got the 2x2 workers/apostles Itinerant ministry from the group before them that they copied it from, and it goes back, to the Vaudois/Waldenses, and back to the apostles and Jesus Christ Himself the chief corner stone.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 1, 2020 23:34:02 GMT -5
It was never the intention of TTT to wipe out 2x2's that is a ridiculous assumption on your part. It is a collection of articles about 2x2's, many written or provided to Cherie by 2x2's. It means that they can be kept for posterity, a valuable resource for the future. It is something that the 2x2's should have done themselves, but they are slack arse in this regard. Nathan a lot of your comment is your own opinion, and really has no relevance. You are all over the place like a Dog's breakfast. Who are you trying to fool? the 2x2s are NOT that stupid, you know. We have been at this topic for over 20 on the different message boards. Like William Irvine started this in 1897 and that was NOT the truth at all. William Irvine and early days 2x2 workers copied the 2x2 Itinerant ministry and some form of Sunday morning worship from them too! the lingo, workers, sister/brothers workers, meetings, conventions, profess, and so on...
And the Faith Mission got the 2x2 workers/apostles Itinerant ministry from the group before them that they copied it from, and it goes back, to the Vaudois/Waldenses, and back to the apostles and Jesus Christ Himself the chief corner stone.
Only in your warped imagination.
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 23:40:06 GMT -5
Who are you trying to fool? the 2x2s are NOT that stupid, you know. We have been at this topic for over 20 on the different message boards. Like William Irvine started this in 1897 and that was NOT the truth at all. William Irvine and early days 2x2 workers copied the 2x2 Itinerant ministry and some form of Sunday morning worship from them too! the lingo, workers, sister/brothers workers, meetings, conventions, profess, and so on...
And the Faith Mission got the 2x2 workers/apostles Itinerant ministry from the group before them that they copied it from, and it goes back, to the Vaudois/Waldenses, and back to the apostles and Jesus Christ Himself the chief corner stone.
Only in your warped imagination. It's NOT ONLY my warped imagination... Whathat ex-2x2 wrote: "Interestingly, there is a picture of ALL the Faith Mission pilgrims/preachers as of 1892, standing in our rows like the 2x2 workers picture, and at their feet is a banner "The Holiness" movement is simply the idea that you are redeemed when you are born again in Christ, but you are NOT sanctified at that point; you are NOT holy. William Irvine was steeped in it, because he attended Keswick Convention which is seen as the center of the Holiness movement. Diagram of the Holiness movement (John Wesley founder).... www.swartzentrover.com/cotor/E-Books/holiness/Holiness%20Movement.gifAnyway, the pedigree is actually from the Moravian Church which dates back to 1457. John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist, but who was actually an Anglican Holiness doctrine widely in his sermons and later in his book titled "Christians perfection" is the same idea as Holiness. So, this is from Wiki---- It was on the voyage to the colonies that the Wesleys first came into contact with Moravian settlers was influenced by their deep faith and spirituality. During the voyage a storm came up and broke the mast of the ship. While the English panicked, the Moravians calmly sang hymns and prayed. This experienced led Wesley possessed inner strength which he lacked. The deeply personal religion that the Moravian pietists practiced heavily influence Wesley's theology of Methodist. And then the Moravian church was an offshoot of Catholicism, but almost a pre-Reformation one. However, some people believe the Moravians church, I will quote the Apostolic Succession through the Waldensians (1170 A.D.) Church. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiness_movement Anyway, potentially the lineage is: Jesus Christ the Founder of the New Testament 2x2 apostolic ministry and Church (33 A.D) >>> Paul the Apostle (68 A.D.) ...... the Vaudois (400 A.D.) ...... the Waldensians ( 1170 A.D.) ...... Albigeneses ( 1300 A.D.) ...... Moravians (1400 A.D.) ...... John Wesley (1700 A.D) ...... Holiness movement (1800 A.D.) ..... the Faith Mission ( 1886 A.D.) ...... 2x2 Workers and Friends ...... (1898/1900------>> Jesus 2nd coming!) I would have voted for 1897 William Irvine Founder date UNTIL a) I read John Long's Journal b) learned more on the socio-historical background that information and other preachers. That background included information on the Faith Mission, the Awakening in Scotland, various independent preaching movement and before that I could NOT see the forest before the trees. Now, I see William Irvine, John Long and the other first 2x2 workers as having separated from a much larger preaching movement in Scotland in the late 19th Century, one which culminated in schism because the main denomination would NOT accept the Holiness doctrine. As a "late date" fan at the present time, that would certainly make William Irvine the FIRST leader/overseer/head worker of the 2x2 movement. Founder? I have just NEVER liked calling William Irvine the Founder of the 2x2 movement. Nathan's selection of Edward Cooney quotes to Impartial Reporter in 1909 in the early days, and shed quite a bit of light on the early days of the movement, in my opinion. John Wesley's the Methodist worked and preaching on Christians perfection and his ideas in that area were strongly influenced in that area of Moravian Church, which is the Vaudois, and the Waldensians. ~~ Edward Cooney (1867-1960) 2x2 early days worker in (1901) wrote To Impartial Reporter 10/7/1909
1) Edward Cooney wrote, " We (2x2 workers) did NOT start this Jesus Way. It was started and planned by God before we were thought of, and we are earnestly contending for the faith once delivered to the Saints and trying to separate it from the tradition of men. There was in the day, William Irvine, upon whose heart God's Spirit worked to raise him up like the judges of old, to lead back those in Christendom to the TRUTH as it is in Jesus." ( By Patricia Roberts book page 43-45) Edward Cooney wrote, "Undoubtedly God has called us and separated us to be His people in the beginning, and most prominent and most used in this calling out a people, William Irvine who at the time of being sent forth to be a prophet, saw more clearly than any of us that the revelation of the Father to each individual child of His is Christ would build His Church, and that the gates of HELL shall NOT prevail against it." (By Patricia Roberts Page 43-45)
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2020 23:44:52 GMT -5
~~ August, 1954: Testimony of an ex-2x2 Ida West from North Ireland
An interested person has asked me to tell my story with regard to my faith and the fellowship I have kept. My parents were John and Sarah West brought up in the Church of Ireland (Anglican). My father, for a time previous to his marriage, moved and worked among the Methodists. Soon after his marriage in 1901, he, Edward Cooney, Tom Betty and others, all of whom used to evangelize together, moved out of the sects to which they belonged, Church of Ireland, Methodist, Presbyterian and so on, into fellowship with William Irvine, a Scottish Presbyterian evangelist in the Faith Mission, who was with others moving out of Faith Mission toward clearer light on New Testament teaching and practices.
They took the view that Christendom was confusion of which God was not the author. So they decided to go to Christendom and the world the way Jesus sent his apostles to Israel (Matthew 10) and to the world (Matthew 28). This is what the preachers did. My father, who did not go to preach, opened his heart and home to these preachers who sold their possessions, scattered their money to the poor and went out to preach by faith. Their message was repent, believe the gospel, follow the teaching and example of New Testament founders--Christ and the apostles. This move raised the opposition of clergy and leaders among the denominations, e.g. Church of Ireland, Methodists, Presbyterians, Salvation Army, Plymouth Brethren and others.
The young movement held the course to take was 'Come out of Babylon' which is confusion. By this they meant to refuse fellowship with the world, false teachers and systems because they contradicted the teaching and example of Christ and his apostles. Their opponents held that it was better to stay in and clean up inside; but they ignored the fact that principalities and powers need exposure and triumphing over (Col. 2:15). This could only be done by a fuller manifestation of Christ through willing witnesses which this people proved by bearing their cross representing Christ as He in bearing his cross represented or declared the Father. The movement grew and spread rapidly.
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