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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 15:10:33 GMT -5
15 Main St. Kilsyth, Scotland (I doubt that the above image from Google Earth will post on this board – to see it search the address in either Google Earth or Google Maps) I had no idea that the deception practised on this board had already sunk to this level by 2010, before I even heard of this board. But just today I learned of a faked letter that has been claimed by the present alias “mountain” in 2010, which went into a level of deception that included an actual address in Kilsyth, Scotland to place within that fabricated letter made out to be an historical document of early 2x2ism. And THAT level of deception is hardly what I would call a “joke.” But the perpetrator of the concocted letter, after it misled several people, simply stated that it was all a "joke." For hurting 2x2s, let me say that I now HAVE to agree with the workers that visiting here is spiritually dangerous. I strongly urge any who drop by to click these links to find some truth about “The Truth.” workersect.org/www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Also for 2x2/visitors - good Bible teachings on this board Thread – The reliability of the Bible – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/860283/threadThread – Patterns of Evidence Exodus – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/877135/threadThread – Amir Tsarfati – Israeli Bible teacher for 2x2/visitors – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/882893/threadAt the moment I am about as disgusted as I think it possible for me to get. It seems to me that after a year of experience on this board many of the members of TMB seem to like to make sport of people who might need help. And for visitors who are learning from former 2x2s and present day 2x2s on this board, this to me is only a reminder of some of the similar mean deeds played upon other 2x2s by a few 2x2s I knew as a child.
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Post by mountain on Mar 12, 2020 17:01:35 GMT -5
Grats, I am confident that most people on this board then and now, if given the choice between my nonsense and your nonsense, you would lose by a country mile. The truth of the matter is that the Dorothy Irvine letter followed on from a series of such literary works of fiction, that only those who believed it, wanted to believe it. 'Dorothy' was preceded by german soldiers being spared from execution by Americans by a professing women, tulip jam eating workers in Holland, tail docking workers in Switzerland, and several other colourful tales. Some more imaginative that 'Dorothy.' Dorothy was quite tame by comparison.
What I find disgusting, far more than your disgust over Dorothy, is that you stubbornly refuse to divulge your rice eating habits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 17:11:49 GMT -5
2x2's in general do suffer from a lack of sense of humour. I suppose it comes from the fact that Workers suppress fun or entertainment. Keep your head in the Bible.
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Post by Annan on Mar 12, 2020 17:15:11 GMT -5
2x2's in general do suffer from a lack of sense of humour. I suppose it comes from the fact that Workers suppress fun or entertainment. Keep your head in the Bible. That sure brings back memories. As a kid, I was under the impression that being a 2x2 meant you could never smile or laugh. We always had to be prepared for our end as we could never know when death would take us. I always thought heaven must be a seriously somber place. A month ago, my father apologized for raising us 2x2. He said he/they stole our childhood as they did his childhood. He said he should have known better and not put us through what he suffered. While appreciate his apology, it doesn't turn back time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 17:29:08 GMT -5
Children have the right to survive, develop, be protected and participate in decisions that impact their lives. We never had that opportunity, it was all directed at turning us into 2x2's.
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Post by Annan on Mar 12, 2020 17:35:55 GMT -5
Children have the right to survive, develop, be protected and participate in decisions that impact their lives. We never had that opportunity, it was all directed at turning us into 2x2's. Absolutely. Perhaps our parents felt they had no control, so they controlled us kids. Just like a kid that is bullied will at times join his attackers when they bully someone else. I wanted to be an archeologist growing up. I wasn't allowed to go to college as that wasn't the 2x2 way. "There is no knowledge in the grave." I rather think is a gross misinterpretation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 17:42:31 GMT -5
Never forget the first time I spoke to Doug Parker. I explained briefly our 2x2 background. His words were, "So you were part of the great deception". Sort of surprised me at the time, but how true his words were. Thank God for people like Doug Parker.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 12, 2020 17:44:05 GMT -5
(I doubt that the above image from Google Earth will post on this board – to see it search the address in either Google Earth or Google Maps) gratu, you give us an address (15 Main St. Kilsyth, Scotland ) and yes I did see the picture of the building, but you did explain the reason for why you posted that address.
What was I suppose to be looking at it for?
Please explain.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 12, 2020 17:52:42 GMT -5
Never forget the first time I spoke to Doug Parker. I explained briefly our 2x2 background. His words were, "So you were part of the great deception". Sort of surprised me at the time, but how true his words were. Thank God for people like Doug Parker. The deception is still hurting many people. I have no problem with a group wanting to do as the workers did. But when the perpetuated deception of going back to the shores of Galilee or continuing from the Acts of the Apostles kept on even unto recent years; that put the impression that the workers had the apostolic powers of decisions etc that the 11 had in Acts. I know that’s what my Gram thought, I heard her say many times that whosoever sits in Moses’ seat we must do and observe what they say we must do and observe. But I also know there were some things she didn’t like.
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Post by Annan on Mar 12, 2020 18:32:59 GMT -5
Never forget the first time I spoke to Doug Parker. I explained briefly our 2x2 background. His words were, "So you were part of the great deception". Sort of surprised me at the time, but how true his words were. Thank God for people like Doug Parker. The deception is still hurting many people. I have no problem with a group wanting to do as the workers did. But when the perpetuated deception of going back to the shores of Galilee or continuing from the Acts of the Apostles kept on even unto recent years; that put the impression that the workers had the apostolic powers of decisions etc that the 11 had in Acts. I know that’s what my Gram thought, I heard her say many times that whosoever sits in Moses’ seat we must do and observe what they say we must do and observe. But I also know there were some things she didn’t like. I think that is the key. Thinking they sit in Moses' seat, so to speak. What always bothered me is that there is no trust. Believers answer to God, not the the workers. That they were allowed a say in how people dressed, acted, thought, and lived their very lives is not trust but control. It's fear. But we know that. What I don't understand is how people allowed such things. I keep hearing my dad (and my husband) say it was a different world back then. That is an excuse, not an answer. I was a child and when I questioned what I was told, I was told I was a bad egg. I didn't and still don't understand how an adult could let someone else tell them how to raise or discipline their child. Did they truly believe that would lose their salvation if they did? I know the lineage back to the apostles or disciplines or whatevers ... I always mix those two up... was a big pull for my dad. I've never been a believer, so I don't understand it. I admit that.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 12, 2020 19:11:33 GMT -5
The deception is still hurting many people. I have no problem with a group wanting to do as the workers did. But when the perpetuated deception of going back to the shores of Galilee or continuing from the Acts of the Apostles kept on even unto recent years; that put the impression that the workers had the apostolic powers of decisions etc that the 11 had in Acts. I know that’s what my Gram thought, I heard her say many times that whosoever sits in Moses’ seat we must do and observe what they say we must do and observe. But I also know there were some things she didn’t like. I think that is the key. Thinking they sit in Moses' seat, so to speak. What always bothered me is that there is no trust. Believers answer to God, not the the workers. That they were allowed a say in how people dressed, acted, thought, and lived their very lives is not trust but control. It's fear. But we know that. What I don't understand is how people allowed such things. I keep hearing my dad (and my husband) say it was a different world back then. That is an excuse, not an answer. I was a child and when I questioned what I was told, I was told I was a bad egg. I didn't and still don't understand how an adult could let someone else tell them how to raise or discipline their child. Did they truly believe that would lose their salvation if they did? I know the lineage back to the apostles or disciplines or whatevers ... I always mix those two up... was a big pull for my dad. I've never been a believer, so I don't understand it. I admit that. Back then the availability of further information about the Apostles etc was truly a handicap. Plus the beginning workers were not so called bible educated people either. As one of them said their zeal caused for errors and that does happen. I realize though, for us kids it could have been so much worse.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 12, 2020 19:24:31 GMT -5
Children have the right to survive, develop, be protected and participate in decisions that impact their lives. We never had that opportunity, it was all directed at turning us into 2x2's. Absolutely. Perhaps our parents felt they had no control, so they controlled us kids. Just like a kid that is bullied will at times join his attackers when they bully someone else. I wanted to be an archeologist growing up. I wasn't allowed to go to college as that wasn't the 2x2 way. "There is no knowledge in the grave." I rather think is a gross misinterpretation. True, -there was no "knowledge in the grave," -but who needs it there any way? We need knowledge NOW!
The workers tried to get my mother to talk me out of taking nurse's training.
They told her that it might "swamp" me! Whatever that meant!
Now I think that I know what they meant
The more anyone got to know ANY information outside what you heard from them, -if nothing else, you got a glimpse of another environment that was a interesting place to explore.
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Post by speak on Mar 12, 2020 19:34:05 GMT -5
2x2's in general do suffer from a lack of sense of humour. I suppose it comes from the fact that Workers suppress fun or entertainment. Keep your head in the Bible. Ha ha that's funny, you provide much to be amused about
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 19:34:14 GMT -5
Grats, I am confident that most people on this board then and now, if given the choice between my nonsense and your nonsense, you would lose by a country mile. The truth of the matter is that the Dorothy Irvine letter followed on from a series of such literary works of fiction, that only those who believed it, wanted to believe it. 'Dorothy' was preceded by german soldiers being spared from execution by Americans by a professing women, tulip jam eating workers in Holland, tail docking workers in Switzerland, and several other colourful tales. Some more imaginative that 'Dorothy.' Dorothy was quite tame by comparison. What I find disgusting, far more than your disgust over Dorothy, is that you stubbornly refuse to divulge your rice eating habits. Wow, not only did mountain id his/her ten-year old deception rather well as I hoped he/she would do to show pride in it, but now mountain says there was a lot bigger group-deception of the same kind - on this board - 10 years ago. For 2x2/visitors, I sure hope you take notice, this board is now in 2020 with at least some of the old deceivers still doing their thing on here - here are the links if you need help instead of deception. workersect.org/www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Also for 2x2/visitors - good Bible teachings on this board Thread – The reliability of the Bible – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/860283/threadThread – Patterns of Evidence Exodus – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/877135/threadThread – Amir Tsarfati – Israeli Bible teacher for 2x2/visitors – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/882893/thread
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 12, 2020 19:41:11 GMT -5
Grats, I am confident that most people on this board then and now, if given the choice between my nonsense and your nonsense, you would lose by a country mile. The truth of the matter is that the Dorothy Irvine letter followed on from a series of such literary works of fiction, that only those who believed it, wanted to believe it. 'Dorothy' was preceded by german soldiers being spared from execution by Americans by a professing women, tulip jam eating workers in Holland, tail docking workers in Switzerland, and several other colourful tales. Some more imaginative that 'Dorothy.' Dorothy was quite tame by comparison. What I find disgusting, far more than your disgust over Dorothy, is that you stubbornly refuse to divulge your rice eating habits. Woe, not only did you id your old deception rather well, but now you say there was a lot bigger group-deception of the same kind - on this board - 10 years ago already. For 2x2/visitors, I sure hope you take notice, this board is now in 2020 with at least some of the old deceivers still doing their thing on here - here are the links if you need help instead of deception. workersect.org/www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Also for 2x2/visitors - good Bible teachings on this board Thread – The reliability of the Bible – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/860283/threadThread – Patterns of Evidence Exodus – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/877135/threadThread – Amir Tsarfati – Israeli Bible teacher for 2x2/visitors – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/882893/threadSo you post views like in the first 6 posts of each of those threads and expect zero confrontation? Good luck with that!
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Post by snow on Mar 12, 2020 20:07:16 GMT -5
Grats, I am confident that most people on this board then and now, if given the choice between my nonsense and your nonsense, you would lose by a country mile. The truth of the matter is that the Dorothy Irvine letter followed on from a series of such literary works of fiction, that only those who believed it, wanted to believe it. 'Dorothy' was preceded by german soldiers being spared from execution by Americans by a professing women, tulip jam eating workers in Holland, tail docking workers in Switzerland, and several other colourful tales. Some more imaginative that 'Dorothy.' Dorothy was quite tame by comparison. What I find disgusting, far more than your disgust over Dorothy, is that you stubbornly refuse to divulge your rice eating habits. Wow, not only did mountain id his/her ten-year old deception rather well as I hoped he/she would do to show pride in it, but now mountain says there was a lot bigger group-deception of the same kind - on this board - 10 years ago. For 2x2/visitors, I sure hope you take notice, this board is now in 2020 with at least some of the old deceivers still doing their thing on here - here are the links if you need help instead of deception. workersect.org/www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Also for 2x2/visitors - good Bible teachings on this board Thread – The reliability of the Bible – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/860283/threadThread – Patterns of Evidence Exodus – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/877135/threadThread – Amir Tsarfati – Israeli Bible teacher for 2x2/visitors – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/882893/threadWhat are you going on about? You do nothing but bad mouth 2x2's and then you carry on like you are their only savior. I think maybe you should get over yourself gratu. It's not all about you. I believe 2x2's are quite smart enough to decide what they want to believe without your input.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 21:09:44 GMT -5
2x2's in general do suffer from a lack of sense of humour. I suppose it comes from the fact that Workers suppress fun or entertainment. Keep your head in the Bible. Ha ha that's funny, you provide much to be amused about Shakespeare got it right when he wrote, William Shakespeare Quotes "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages". Let us not get too serious about it all, just a means to an end. Back to dust, when the show is over. What are the seven stages of man? As the song bio says, the seven stages are the helpless infant, the whining schoolboy, the emotional lover, the devoted soldier, the wise judge, the old man still in control of his faculties, and the extremely aged, returned to a second state of helplessness. I am at the last stage.
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Post by iam on Mar 12, 2020 21:24:37 GMT -5
The deception is still hurting many people. I have no problem with a group wanting to do as the workers did. But when the perpetuated deception of going back to the shores of Galilee or continuing from the Acts of the Apostles kept on even unto recent years; that put the impression that the workers had the apostolic powers of decisions etc that the 11 had in Acts. I know that’s what my Gram thought, I heard her say many times that whosoever sits in Moses’ seat we must do and observe what they say we must do and observe. But I also know there were some things she didn’t like. I think that is the key. Thinking they sit in Moses' seat, so to speak. What always bothered me is that there is no trust. Believers answer to God, not the the workers. That they were allowed a say in how people dressed, acted, thought, and lived their very lives is not trust but control. It's fear. But we know that. What I don't understand is how people allowed such things. I keep hearing my dad (and my husband) say it was a different world back then. That is an excuse, not an answer. I was a child and when I questioned what I was told, I was told I was a bad egg. I didn't and still don't understand how an adult could let someone else tell them how to raise or discipline their child. Did they truly believe that would lose their salvation if they did? I know the lineage back to the apostles or disciplines or whatevers ... I always mix those two up... was a big pull for my dad. I've never been a believer, so I don't understand it. I admit that. Jesus loved the bad eggs. He didn't come to save the righteous. The righteous didn't need Jesus. Be glad you were considered a bad egg. Too bad there's not enough of Jesus on this earth.
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Post by iam on Mar 12, 2020 21:31:23 GMT -5
2x2's in general do suffer from a lack of sense of humour. I suppose it comes from the fact that Workers suppress fun or entertainment. Keep your head in the Bible. There was a lot of laughter in our 2&2 home. But there was a lot of sorrow also. I don't have much to laugh about anymore yet still find much amusing on these boards. Can't picture Jesus laughing except maybe when the devil told him what he would give him if he would fall down and worship him. That must have been laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 23:39:34 GMT -5
A good, hearty laugh relieves physical tension and stress, leaving your muscles relaxed for up to 45 minutes after. Laughter boosts the immune system. Laughter decreases stress hormones and increases immune cells and infection-fighting antibodies, thus improving your resistance to disease.
We have Laughing Clubs in Australia, my Brother went to one when he was suffering from Cancer. He got great benefit from it, kept him going a bit longer.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 13, 2020 0:24:49 GMT -5
Gratu, did you forget to answer my question?
-you give us an address (15 Main St. Kilsyth, Scotland ) and yes I did see the picture of the building, but you did explain the reason for why you posted that address.
What was I suppose to be looking at it for?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 1:26:56 GMT -5
2x2's in general do suffer from a lack of sense of humour. I suppose it comes from the fact that Workers suppress fun or entertainment. Keep your head in the Bible. That sure brings back memories. As a kid, I was under the impression that being a 2x2 meant you could never smile or laugh. We always had to be prepared for our end as we could never know when death would take us. I always thought heaven must be a seriously somber place. A month ago, my father apologized for raising us 2x2. He said he/they stole our childhood as they did his childhood. He said he should have known better and not put us through what he suffered. While appreciate his apology, it doesn't turn back time. you're dad's a strong man
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 1:31:27 GMT -5
Ha ha that's funny, you provide much to be amused about Shakespeare got it right when he wrote, William Shakespeare Quotes "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages". Let us not get too serious about it all, just a means to an end. Back to dust, when the show is over. What are the seven stages of man? As the song bio says, the seven stages are the helpless infant, the whining schoolboy, the emotional lover, the devoted soldier, the wise judge, the old man still in control of his faculties, and the extremely aged, returned to a second state of helplessness. I am at the last stage. your posts are more coherent than 50% of the posts on tmb (including some of mine). I refuse to believe your mind is accepting the status quo!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 4:15:04 GMT -5
Ipsedixit I love you also. You are a bit more intellectual, I tend to be the "Village Idiot".
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Post by mountain on Mar 13, 2020 16:04:58 GMT -5
Grats, I am confident that most people on this board then and now, if given the choice between my nonsense and your nonsense, you would lose by a country mile. The truth of the matter is that the Dorothy Irvine letter followed on from a series of such literary works of fiction, that only those who believed it, wanted to believe it. 'Dorothy' was preceded by german soldiers being spared from execution by Americans by a professing women, tulip jam eating workers in Holland, tail docking workers in Switzerland, and several other colourful tales. Some more imaginative that 'Dorothy.' Dorothy was quite tame by comparison. What I find disgusting, far more than your disgust over Dorothy, is that you stubbornly refuse to divulge your rice eating habits. Wow, not only did mountain id his/her ten-year old deception rather well as I hoped he/she would do to show pride in it, but now mountain says there was a lot bigger group-deception of the same kind - on this board - 10 years ago. For 2x2/visitors, I sure hope you take notice, this board is now in 2020 with at least some of the old deceivers still doing their thing on here - here are the links if you need help instead of deception. workersect.org/www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Also for 2x2/visitors - good Bible teachings on this board Thread – The reliability of the Bible – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/860283/threadThread – Patterns of Evidence Exodus – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/877135/threadThread – Amir Tsarfati – Israeli Bible teacher for 2x2/visitors – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/882893/threadGrats, as far as 2x2ism is concerned, you are a far bigger deceiver than I am. Over the years I have presented a few wind-ups which many have found to be a hoot whilst others, albeit only a few, have expressed displeasure. However, I call a bowl of rice a bowl of rice (why do you vehemently avoid the subject?). I defend the 2x2 beliefs that I agree with, some of which readily dismantle your counter beliefs, but also I point out the practices and beliefs that I disagree with. I give credit where it is due. I have not always agreed with Virgs, but I readily admit that I am sometimes wrong. The fact that you come across as the antithesis of Virgs, blasts with all the fanfare of mediaeval pagentry, just how much you have succumbed to religious deception.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 13, 2020 17:45:56 GMT -5
A good, hearty laugh relieves physical tension and stress, leaving your muscles relaxed for up to 45 minutes after. Laughter boosts the immune system. Laughter decreases stress hormones and increases immune cells and infection-fighting antibodies, thus improving your resistance to disease. We have Laughing Clubs in Australia, my Brother went to one when he was suffering from Cancer. He got great benefit from it, kept him going a bit longer. One of our continuing medical courses was about the therapy of laughter. Quite interesting. When I was in nursing school, it was pretty much a sober strait laced career. Laughing and chewing gum were two things to get called on the carpet for.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 20, 2020 1:34:26 GMT -5
Truth Meetings board – thread “Disgusting level of deception”\ Opening post
Mar 12, 2020 at 1:10pm by gratu 15 Main St. Kilsyth, Scotland (I doubt that the above image from Google Earth will post on this board – to see it search the address in either Google Earth or Google Maps) I had no idea that the deception practised on this board had already sunk to this level by 2010, before I even heard of this board. But just today I learned of a faked letter that has been claimed by the present alias “mountain” in 2010, which went into a level of deception that included an actual address in Kilsyth, Scotland to place within that fabricated letter made out to be an historical document of early 2x2ism. And THAT level of deception is hardly what I would call a “joke.” But the perpetrator of the concocted letter, after it misled several people, simply stated that it was all a "joke." For hurting 2x2s, let me say that I now HAVE to agree with the workers that visiting here is spiritually dangerous. I strongly urge any who drop by to click these links to find some truth about “The Truth.” workersect.org/ www.tellingthetruth.info/home/Also for 2x2/visitors - good Bible teachings on this board Thread – The reliability of the Bible – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/860283/threadThread – Patterns of Evidence Exodus – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/877135/threadThread – Amir Tsarfati – Israeli Bible teacher for 2x2/visitors – page one, first six posts. professing.proboards.com/post/882893/threadAt the moment I am about as disgusted as I think it possible for me to get. It seems to me that after a year of experience on this board many of the members of TMB seem to like to make sport of people who might need help. And for visitors who are learning from former 2x2s and present day 2x2s on this board, this to me is only a reminder of some of the similar mean deeds played upon other 2x2s by a few 2x2s I knew as a child. Reply
(mountain's only reply by 19/03/2020) Mar 12, 2020 at 3:01pm mountain said: Grats, I am confident that most people on this board then and now, if given the choice between my nonsense and your nonsense, you would lose by a country mile. The truth of the matter is that the Dorothy Irvine letter followed on from a series of such literary works of fiction, that only those who believed it, wanted to believe it. 'Dorothy' was preceded by german soldiers being spared from execution by Americans by a professing women, tulip jam eating workers in Holland, tail docking workers in Switzerland, and several other colourful tales. Some more imaginative that 'Dorothy.' Dorothy was quite tame by comparison. What I find disgusting, far more than your disgust over Dorothy, is that you stubbornly refuse to divulge your rice eating habits. Historical recordThe above documentation will be submitted to historical record of attempted bogus (deceptive) re-writing of 2x2 early history by, as I understand “mountain” to be, the level of an Elder within 2x2ism. And if that Elder-level is incorrect, this remains open to correction for one week from 19/03/2020, after which this post will be submitted to historical record of 2x2ism to add to its already well documented attempts to perform similar history-fixing deception that are detailed in the book Reinventing The Truth by Kevin Daniel. I care not WHO “mountain” is, this will document the disgusting level of deception practiced by a 2x2 Elder in 2010 and nothing more. Oh poor @gratu ! I hope you record for "historical record" some of the things YOU have said against the 2x2 church ... Oh thats right you delete anything that you post if it makes you look bad don't you @gratu ! mountain you have been very "bad" 😄😄😄
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 20, 2020 1:38:08 GMT -5
Hey mountain when did you become an "Elder" in the 2x2 church? 😊😊
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