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Post by fixit on Mar 14, 2020 22:15:55 GMT -5
Nathan, does that mean I go up a notch in your estimation? What do you mean?If believingjesus is the biggest moron in your opinion, then it can no longer be me.
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Post by nathan on Mar 14, 2020 22:20:00 GMT -5
If believingjesus is the biggest moron in your opinion, then it can no longer be me. Oh, that… You are Still in the same group for now. I hope that will change soon.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 14, 2020 23:07:41 GMT -5
Many atheists on TMB do NOT believe in historical Jesus. We have gone over with them in many discussion on here. They also believe Jesus became God after the resurrection... I wonder where they get these ideas from? Some how Bart name came up many times. I do believe in a historical Jesus. I also have also expressed the view that during Jesus time, his followers did not believe Jesus was anything but human. It was only has his death that his followers thought Jesus became god or entered the divine realm. This view is common among scholars, Bart Ehrman included.
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Post by nathan on Mar 14, 2020 23:26:36 GMT -5
Many atheists on TMB do NOT believe in historical Jesus. We have gone over with them in many discussion on here. They also believe Jesus became God after the resurrection... I wonder where they get these ideas from? Some how Bart name came up many times. I do believe in a historical Jesus. I also have also expressed the view that during Jesus time, his followers did not believe Jesus was anything but human. It was only has his death that his followers thought Jesus became god or entered the divine realm. This view is common among scholars, Bart Ehrman included. You and Bart and the scholars you picked are incorrect.... I showed you these verses before.... Where Jesus claimed He is God I am that I am; the Almighty God and many of his followers believe during when Jesus was alive and afterwards.
1) John the apostle wrote it so clearly in John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. He was in the World, and the World was MADE by Him, and the world knew him NOT. And the Word was made flesh and dwell among us. The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. Who do you SAY the Word is? Jesus! Read Rev. 19:11-16 And I/John saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
~~ NathanB: 1) Jesus said in 95 A.D. Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 11:16-17 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and Worshiped God, saying: “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.
Rev. 21:6,7 He/Christ that sat on the throne said unto me, "It is done, I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end." I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be MY Son."
2) John the apostle wrote in the gospel of John 5:17-18 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 10:25-33 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
3) The apostle Thomas said to Jesus after the resurrection, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:24-29. Jesus did NOT say don't call me Lord and God but accepted the title which Thomas called Him.
4) Mary the mother of Jesus said about the unborn Son in Luke 1:46-47 “My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 14, 2020 23:47:17 GMT -5
I do believe in a historical Jesus. I also have also expressed the view that during Jesus time, his followers did not believe Jesus was anything but human. It was only has his death that his followers thought Jesus became god or entered the divine realm. This view is common among scholars, Bart Ehrman included. You and Bart and the scholars you picked are incorrect.... I showed you these verses before.... Where Jesus claimed He is God I am that I am; the Almighty God and many of his followers believe during when Jesus was alive and afterwards.
1) John the apostle wrote it so clearly in John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. He was in the World, and the World was MADE by Him, and the world knew him NOT. And the Word was made flesh and dwell among us. The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. Who do you SAY the Word is? Jesus! Read Rev. 19:11-16 And I/John saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
~~ NathanB: 1) Jesus said in 95 A.D. Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 11:16-17 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and Worshiped God, saying: “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.
Rev. 21:6,7 He/Christ that sat on the throne said unto me, "It is done, I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end." I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be MY Son."
2) John the apostle wrote in the gospel of John 5:17-18 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 10:25-33 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
3) The apostle Thomas said to Jesus after the resurrection, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:24-29. Jesus did NOT say don't call me Lord and God but accepted the title which Thomas called Him.
4) Mary the mother of Jesus said about the unborn Son in Luke 1:46-47 “My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."
No, we are not incorrect. The only reason why you think so is because you have no idea how to critically read the bible. From someone who adopts a purely canonical approach to the bible, we cant really expect anymore from you though.. However, you shouldn’t assume scholars are wrong because they approach the bible differently from you.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 14, 2020 23:59:59 GMT -5
Many atheists on TMB do NOT believe in historical Jesus. We have gone over with them in many discussion on here. They also believe Jesus became God after the resurrection... I wonder where they get these ideas from? Some how Bart name came up many times. I do believe in a historical Jesus. I also have also expressed the view that during Jesus time, his followers did not believe Jesus was anything but human. It was only has his death that his followers thought Jesus became god or entered the divine realm. This view is common among scholars, Bart Ehrman included. I can’t remember the speaker but he was a Catholic scholar. He said that as we see that through the OT , there is a developing understanding of God. He went on to say that that developing understanding continues in the NT. We are at an advantage because our predecessors have discovered several layers of the God of heaven. Mankind still hasn’t gleaned all there is to know ir understand about the God of heaven. His totality is beyond human comprehension.
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Post by nathan on Mar 15, 2020 1:11:05 GMT -5
You and Bart and the scholars you picked are incorrect.... I showed you these verses before.... Where Jesus claimed He is God I am that I am; the Almighty God and many of his followers believe during when Jesus was alive and afterwards.
1) John the apostle wrote it so clearly in John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God. He was in the World, and the World was MADE by Him, and the world knew him NOT. And the Word was made flesh and dwell among us. The Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. Who do you SAY the Word is? Jesus! Read Rev. 19:11-16 And I/John saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
~~ NathanB: 1) Jesus said in 95 A.D. Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 11:16-17 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and Worshiped God, saying: “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.
Rev. 21:6,7 He/Christ that sat on the throne said unto me, "It is done, I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end." I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be MY Son."
2) John the apostle wrote in the gospel of John 5:17-18 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
John 10:25-33 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
3) The apostle Thomas said to Jesus after the resurrection, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:24-29. Jesus did NOT say don't call me Lord and God but accepted the title which Thomas called Him.
4) Mary the mother of Jesus said about the unborn Son in Luke 1:46-47 “My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."
No, we are not incorrect. The only reason why you think so is because you have no idea how to critically read the bible. From someone who adopts a purely canonical approach to the bible, we cant really expect anymore from you though.. However, you shouldn’t assume scholars are wrong because they approach the bible differently from you. These are Jesus own words and His followers. Don't tell me you and your Bible scholars don't believe it?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 15, 2020 1:28:40 GMT -5
that doesn't work anymore.... That’s precisely why Nathan has found himself in this predicament on this thread.. I notice that Nathan once agreed with the explanation that he otherwise continued to disagree with. He should just take native speakers' less sophisticated explanations and let it be -- but it's his mission, so we're all his unbelievers.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 15, 2020 1:32:25 GMT -5
Many atheists on TMB do NOT believe in historical Jesus. We have gone over with them in many discussion on here. They also believe Jesus became God after the resurrection... I wonder where they get these ideas from? Some how Bart name came up many times. What you don't seem to get through your head is that there are atheists who actually believe there was indeed a historical Jesus. The same way that YOU believe there was a historical Muhammad. You didn't answer that question, did you? Do you believe that there was a historical Muhammad?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 15, 2020 1:39:36 GMT -5
No, he doesn’t you moron! By removing part of the sentence you have changed its meaning, which is completely dishonest by the way. Copying and pasting from the description of his book on Amazon regarding the historicity of Jesus: www.amazon.com/Did-Jesus-Exist-Historical-Argument/dp/0062206443/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=ehrman+did+jesus+exist&qid=1584236491&sr=8-2“In Did Jesus Exist? historian and Bible expert Bart Ehrman confronts the question, "Did Jesus exist at all, Ehrman VIGOROUSLY DEFENDS THE HISTORICAL JESUS, identifies the most historically reliable sources for best understanding Jesus’ mission and message, and offers a compelling portrait of the person at the heart of the Christian tradition.” You are someone who ALWAYS has to be right, even when you have clearly been proven wrong. It simply makes you look bad and an idiot!!! Ok, moron... You are the MOST stupid moron! around here... with the name like believingJesus, but you don't believe in Him whatsoever! You are a moron and stupid... change your name to NOTbelievingJesus, Ok. Who are you trying to deceive and fool? What an idiot! you are.
That's really funny coming from a chap who believes in hollow planets and talking snakes etc. Keep it up Nathan. The jokes that is as it's good to have a laugh .
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Post by nathan on Mar 15, 2020 1:58:58 GMT -5
Many atheists on TMB do NOT believe in historical Jesus. We have gone over with them in many discussion on here. They also believe Jesus became God after the resurrection... I wonder where they get these ideas from? Some how Bart name came up many times. What you don't seem to get through your head is that there are atheists who actually believe there was indeed a historical Jesus. The same way that YOU believe there was a historical Muhammad. You didn't answer that question, did you? Do you believe that there was a historical Muhammad? Yes, I know there are atheists believe in historical Jesus but they don't believe Jesus is God/Divine. Did I say anywhere in my post that ALL atheists DO NOT believe in historical Jesus. It said many atheists on TMB do not believe in historical Jesus.
Yes, I believe the existence of Muhammad.
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Post by nathan on Mar 15, 2020 2:00:52 GMT -5
Ok, moron... You are the MOST stupid moron! around here... with the name like believingJesus, but you don't believe in Him whatsoever! You are a moron and stupid... change your name to NOTbelievingJesus, Ok. Who are you trying to deceive and fool? What an idiot! you are.
That's really funny coming from a chap who believes in hollow planets and talking snakes etc. Keep it up Nathan. The jokes that is as it's good to have a laugh . The talking snake/serpent/Satan is real so hollow earth, you just don't BELIEVE it. The joke is on you as unbeliever/atheist.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 15, 2020 9:56:24 GMT -5
It's VERY simple to understand but humans make it so complicate about the Godhead. It must be simple if Nathan can comprehend it. This unkind remark is what I’m talking about. I remember when I was from the ages of 2-4 y/o, my brother(6years older) and my sister(5 years older), used to taunt, tease and torment me until I was crying and upset. Then when they heard Gram coming out of the house, they’d run off and watch her whip me for crying. She never asked me why I was crying. They never got in trouble for their bullying. Although, when we were inside the house and they’d send me off into a dark room on the pretext to get something, they’d do all kinds of weird noises and tell me the ghosts were in there. They literally made me afraid of the dark. She never whipped me for running back into the lighted room and screaming but she never told them to quit either. So when I see such tactics like what has appeared on TMB toward a few of us by ALL the rest, it brings all of that rushing back! And it literally p****es me off! It’s abusive, it’s bullying. Our reactions may not be right either, but enough is enough. And the worst part of it all, it seems no one is humble enough to say I’m sorry.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 15, 2020 12:35:18 GMT -5
It must be simple if Nathan can comprehend it. This unkind remark is what I’m talking about. I remember when I was from the ages of 2-4 y/o, my brother(6years older) and my sister(5 years older), used to taunt, tease and torment me until I was crying and upset. Then when they heard Gram coming out of the house, they’d run off and watch her whip me for crying. She never asked me why I was crying. They never got in trouble for their bullying. Although, when we were inside the house and they’d send me off into a dark room on the pretext to get something, they’d do all kinds of weird noises and tell me the ghosts were in there. They literally made me afraid of the dark. She never whipped me for running back into the lighted room and screaming but she never told them to quit either. So when I see such tactics like what has appeared on TMB toward a few of us by ALL the rest, it brings all of that rushing back! And it literally p****es me off! It’s abusive, it’s bullying. Our reactions may not be right either, but enough is enough. And the worst part of it all, it seems no one is humble enough to say I’m sorry. Was your Gram professing? That is a really weird way to comfort a crying child.
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Post by Grant on Mar 15, 2020 13:12:01 GMT -5
Nathan makes a complete mockery of Christianity. He threatens people with hell, fire and brimstone. He says what he wants to people. People fight back.
STR, did you apologize to Maryhig for your false accusations and bullying towards her?
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Post by nathan on Mar 15, 2020 13:17:06 GMT -5
Nathan makes a complete mockery of Christianity. Nathan says what he wants to people. People fight back. STR, did you apologize to Maryhig for your false accusations and bullying towards her? I am telling the truth about heaven to gain is to believe in Jesus as your Savior and Redeemer and Hell/Lake of fire to shun. Death will come upon all mankind one way or another.
Jesus/God said in John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
It's God's Truth and Way who you are fighting, enuf… for years on TMB.
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Post by fixit on Mar 15, 2020 13:42:49 GMT -5
It must be simple if Nathan can comprehend it. This unkind remark is what I’m talking about. I remember when I was from the ages of 2-4 y/o, my brother(6years older) and my sister(5 years older), used to taunt, tease and torment me until I was crying and upset. Then when they heard Gram coming out of the house, they’d run off and watch her whip me for crying. She never asked me why I was crying. They never got in trouble for their bullying. Although, when we were inside the house and they’d send me off into a dark room on the pretext to get something, they’d do all kinds of weird noises and tell me the ghosts were in there. They literally made me afraid of the dark. She never whipped me for running back into the lighted room and screaming but she never told them to quit either. So when I see such tactics like what has appeared on TMB toward a few of us by ALL the rest, it brings all of that rushing back! And it literally p****es me off! It’s abusive, it’s bullying. Our reactions may not be right either, but enough is enough. And the worst part of it all, it seems no one is humble enough to say I’m sorry. I agree, my comment looks bad when considered in isolation. In context though, Nathan was writing very stupid stuff.
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Post by snow on Mar 15, 2020 14:09:06 GMT -5
You didn’t even bother to read what you are copying and pasting or you have the worst reading comprehension of anyone I’ve known. The sentence reads: “Alternatively, in terms given by Bart Ehrman paraphrasing Earl Doherty, "the historical Jesus did not exist. Or if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity." Bart Ehrman is PARAPHRASING EARL DOHERTY (a mythicist) meaning Ehrman is stating what Earl Doherty believes, NOT what he believes about the historicity of Jesus. Give it up already!!!! Bart believes like Earl Doherty! "the historical Jesus did not exist. Or if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity."
Most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted,[2][18][97] and in modern scholarship, the Christ myth theory is a fringe theory and finds virtually no support from scholars.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Nathan think about it. If Bart does believe Jesus is a myth why was he debating a guy that does believe this? He does not believe Jesus was a Myth. He does believe Jesus was a historical figure and behind the Christian religion. End of story.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 15, 2020 14:10:03 GMT -5
This unkind remark is what I’m talking about. I remember when I was from the ages of 2-4 y/o, my brother(6years older) and my sister(5 years older), used to taunt, tease and torment me until I was crying and upset. Then when they heard Gram coming out of the house, they’d run off and watch her whip me for crying. She never asked me why I was crying. They never got in trouble for their bullying. Although, when we were inside the house and they’d send me off into a dark room on the pretext to get something, they’d do all kinds of weird noises and tell me the ghosts were in there. They literally made me afraid of the dark. She never whipped me for running back into the lighted room and screaming but she never told them to quit either. So when I see such tactics like what has appeared on TMB toward a few of us by ALL the rest, it brings all of that rushing back! And it literally p****es me off! It’s abusive, it’s bullying. Our reactions may not be right either, but enough is enough. And the worst part of it all, it seems no one is humble enough to say I’m sorry. Was your Gram professing? That is a really weird way to comfort a crying child. Yes, she professed in the 2x2s.
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Post by snow on Mar 15, 2020 14:13:33 GMT -5
Instead of getting angry, take it on the chin and realise that in this case you are wrong.. Do you have any humbleness at all? Like I wrote a few months ago, if you like to dish it out you better learn to receive it in return. I had been nice for 20 years, no more a walking doormat.So acting like this when you are clearly incorrect is a good thing? Why can't you just admit that you misunderstood what Bart Ehrman believed like everyone else when they make a mistake. There isn't anything wrong admitting it when we make mistakes, in fact it gives us more credibility.
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Post by nathan on Mar 15, 2020 14:16:35 GMT -5
Bart believes like Earl Doherty! "the historical Jesus did not exist. Or if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity."
Most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted,[2][18][97] and in modern scholarship, the Christ myth theory is a fringe theory and finds virtually no support from scholars.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Nathan think about it. If Bart does believe Jesus is a myth why was he debating a guy that does believe this? He does not believe Jesus was a Myth. He does believe Jesus was a historical figure and behind the Christian religion. End of story. If that is true about Bart, that he believes in Jesus was a historical figure, But didn't many of you atheists on TMB said in the past believe Jesus is a Myth and we went round and round about it for years. So, you atheists on TMB believe Jesus is a historical figure now! Did many of you atheist on TMB have changed your minds that Jesus is a historical figure, now?
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Post by nathan on Mar 15, 2020 14:17:09 GMT -5
I agree, my comment looks bad when considered in isolation. In context though, Nathan was writing very stupid stuff. You were one the instigators for the stupid stuff, fixit. You set up booby traps for people to fall into to cause chaos and confusion in your sick games, and mind for 20 years under different alias Jesusonly. We know what you are up to, fixit.
1) Openingact123 wrote: I think she should look up some of the old threads where a senior worker (probably soon to be overseer) severely denounced fixit. Do you think you know better than a worker? On the other hand, Nathan and Wally have NEVER been condemned by ANY workers on here. They have been wonderful examples of what it means to be professing and the spirit of what I've always found among professing people, while others seek to change God's perfect way in the earth.
Now speak/2x2 church elder has also turned against the workers and allied himself with fixit. "Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5.
Apr 10, 2017 at 8:02pm @review005/2x2 worker said: Fixit/2x2 church elder, Hand it to you, you know the Scriptures, that is commendable. Your life and posts cause this Scripture to come to mind: "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
Apr 10, 2017 at 9:33pm @review005 said: It wasn't lightly or rashly I made that posting. It is made on the basis of observance and exposure to your postings over a long period of time. It is a sincere and honest statement of how I observe that you live..You love quoting Scripture to others but I am unable to see evidence of you applying it in your own life.
Oct 12, 2014 at 11:17am @review005 said: Why do you make thousands of posts over many years online but refuse a sincere genuine offer to meet worker/s whom you describe as 'good' or 'I have no problem with' to discuss your concerns? Or would you meet and discuss with parents who had children live and study in your city and who have spoken to me of their sorrow and disappointment of the influence you had upon their children while they were there? Please don't doubt that they would meet and discuss. No of course you won't...but you'll continue your anonymous daily online posting existence..... your life, your way, your reaping.
Oct 12, 2014 at 1:44pm @review005 said: I have told you I am 100% ready to arrange a meeting with these parents. I would not post such unless it is fact. As I said I'm talking about concerns that I did not solicit nor seek for. In sadness they were shared by parents who have a love for the soul of their child. I knew nothing of you in real life or JO/ fixit TMB online life at the time.
Apr 11, 2017 at 1:52am @review005 said: I have utmost respect for 99% of our elders. I have little respect for a man who is a smiling obsequious elder on Sunday morning and around the workers. Then takes his tie and suit jacket off, puts on his poster cloak on and posts in the manner that he does here. Yes I consider that to be hypocrisy. My sincere wish is that our kind, merciful and patient Heavenly Father will be able to help him before he gets too much older & beyond it.
Dec 23, 2016 at 5:05pm @review005 said: I no longer response to fixit's baiting here; let him do as much as he wishes. Interestingly this 'resident' Sunday morning meeting elder is just the short smiley 'compliant' 'obliging' 'chap with the sisters in his field. no baiting there. Too scared I guess?? Doesn't want to 'spoil his testimony'. It's when he puts his partly anonymous 'fixit' jacket on that he gets a bit of 'dutch courage'!
Jun 11, 2015 at 8:54pm @review005 said: Fixit, I suggest you look through the last 150 posts you have made before you cast ad hominem attack stones. Your hypocrisy astounds me! Then the man who has posted over 12000 posts and refuses to address matters in real life makes accusations of me avoiding real issues! That really is the icing on the cake! Now please post again and fire another stone my way. Having the last word will leave you feeling fulfilled and happy. I'll gladly have dialogue and discussion with you if you ever have the moral character and backbone to discuss real issues in real life. Tired of this meaningless TMB online game you play.
Oct 22, 2014 at 12:02pm @review005 said: You anonymously post for 20 years bold and often outrageous statements (and yes I can substantiate that also) but refuse to even meet your field workers or Alan (whom you describe as 'good' 'no problem with') to discuss 'concerns' you have. Until the anonymous online persona meets the real life elder persona the confidence crisis will remain for me. Real things get dealt with in real life face to face meetings. When that fails people come to TMB. You refuse to have real life meetings and rather post boldly and anonymously on TMB. This is the cause of my lack of confidence and reason to feel you do little more than play games in coming to TMB.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 15, 2020 14:18:57 GMT -5
Nathan makes a complete mockery of Christianity. He threatens people with hell, fire and brimstone. He says what he wants to people. People fight back. STR, did you apologize to Maryhig for your false accusations and bullying towards her? I don’t see it as bullying, I thought I was answering her questions. And YES, I’ve apologized several times in several posts. I said we or some of us thought since she claimed to be a COONEYITE she didn’t understand what Cooney believed since he’d been dead so long. That it was an error we made by misunterpreting her by her saying she was a COONEYITE but kept asking questions that a COONEYITE would normally have known. I admitted me or some of us making that error. How many more times do you think I ought to say it was an honest mistake but a mistake anyhow?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 15, 2020 14:27:23 GMT -5
This unkind remark is what I’m talking about. I remember when I was from the ages of 2-4 y/o, my brother(6years older) and my sister(5 years older), used to taunt, tease and torment me until I was crying and upset. Then when they heard Gram coming out of the house, they’d run off and watch her whip me for crying. She never asked me why I was crying. They never got in trouble for their bullying. Although, when we were inside the house and they’d send me off into a dark room on the pretext to get something, they’d do all kinds of weird noises and tell me the ghosts were in there. They literally made me afraid of the dark. She never whipped me for running back into the lighted room and screaming but she never told them to quit either. So when I see such tactics like what has appeared on TMB toward a few of us by ALL the rest, it brings all of that rushing back! And it literally p****es me off! It’s abusive, it’s bullying. Our reactions may not be right either, but enough is enough. And the worst part of it all, it seems no one is humble enough to say I’m sorry. I agree, my comment looks bad when considered in isolation. In context though, Nathan was writing very stupid stuff. As it seems to me, he wasn’t the first one to throw out the word “moron” or “moronic”. Such words are inflammatory. As is your comment whether in context or not. I also said, the pile on of multiple persons on just a few persons on TMB mainly over inconsequential subjects has caused this quick reactive response especially when derogatory words are thrown out. I’m not saying they are correct or right but it happened.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 15, 2020 14:43:12 GMT -5
Like I wrote a few months ago, if you like to dish it out you better learn to receive it in return. I had been nice for 20 years, no more a walking doormat. So acting like this when you are clearly incorrect is a good thing? Why can't you just admit that you misunderstood what Bart Ehrman believed like everyone else when they make a mistake. There isn't anything wrong admitting it when we make mistakes, in fact it gives us more credibility. Snow, not very many on TMB admit when they make a mistake. You do and Redback does. There were a couple of former posters. It’s a very sad state of affairs, so it seems. I try to admit my faults and/or say I’m sorry. I’ve said I’m human and have feet of clay. That being a Christian doesn’t mean I’ll measure up to preconceived ideas what a Christian’s should be. If I was like what some people think Christians should be, I wouldn’t be needing Christ.
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Post by snow on Mar 15, 2020 14:55:42 GMT -5
Many atheists on TMB do NOT believe in historical Jesus. We have gone over with them with many discussion on here. They Jesus became God after the resurrection... I wonder where they get these ideas from? There are books out there supporting the mythicist position they may have read. I mentioned some of the authors in a previous post. I haven’t read any of them personally. I do not believe in the Christian god but I do not hold the mythicist position. I believe Jesus was a real historical figure or an amalgamation of historical figures. This seems to be the overall consensus among scholars who do textual criticism of the Bible. I do too. But I also think that who Jesus was changed in the minds of early Christians and evolved to the Christos that we see today. Different groups viewed him differently. This is obvious by the masses of documents claiming what other groups believed and how what they believed was different and therefore heretical. So it's not clear cut at all who he was, but I think he did exist.
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Post by snow on Mar 15, 2020 14:57:09 GMT -5
Nathan think about it. If Bart does believe Jesus is a myth why was he debating a guy that does believe this? He does not believe Jesus was a Myth. He does believe Jesus was a historical figure and behind the Christian religion. End of story. If that is true about Bart, that he believes in Jesus was a historical figure, But didn't many of you atheists on TMB said in the past believe Jesus is a Myth and we went round and round about it for years. So, you atheists on TMB believe Jesus is a historical figure now! Did many of you atheist on TMB have changed your minds that Jesus is a historical figure, now?
I have read books that lean in that direction, but I do believe he was historical. I can only speak for myself of course. I think who he became in the minds of Christians definitely changed over time, but I do believe that he was a historical flesh and blood person.
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Post by snow on Mar 15, 2020 15:01:04 GMT -5
I do believe in a historical Jesus. I also have also expressed the view that during Jesus time, his followers did not believe Jesus was anything but human. It was only has his death that his followers thought Jesus became god or entered the divine realm. This view is common among scholars, Bart Ehrman included. I can’t remember the speaker but he was a Catholic scholar. He said that as we see that through the OT , there is a developing understanding of God. He went on to say that that developing understanding continues in the NT. We are at an advantage because our predecessors have discovered several layers of the God of heaven. Mankind still hasn’t gleaned all there is to know ir understand about the God of heaven. His totality is beyond human comprehension. You are right about there was a developing understanding of God/Jesus. What we have today is the most recent but it took years to establish what belief about who Jesus was to become orthodox. Even the earlier writers like Origin and Justin Martyr are now considered somewhat heretical beliefs because things changed even after they wrote their ideas of who they believed Jesus was.
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