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Post by daft on Mar 19, 2020 11:52:26 GMT -5
That's the premise of the article, that ancient peoples WERE there to witness it, shortly before they died, presumably. And that's partially the point of my posting this: If science can reasonably assume that an asteroid hit earth and there were significant numbers of people that died, how does this synch up with the Biblical accounting of world history? And to the greater point, when confronted with this kind of situation, does a believer dismiss science & evidence and hold fast to a Biblical accounting of things... ? Well I for one, do. I had a passionate hatred for science in school. Maybe I'm daftđ, but...the bible is incredibly real to me. Ha, no! I am daft! Interesting. So, along the same line of thought, dinosaur bones ... fish skeletons found in inland deserts ... other hard evidence of millions and millions of years of evolution were in fact put there by God as traps for unbelievers?
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Post by iam on Mar 19, 2020 14:27:03 GMT -5
Well I for one, do. I had a passionate hatred for science in school. Maybe I'm daftđ, but...the bible is incredibly real to me. Ha, no! I am daft!  Interesting. So, along the same line of thought, dinosaur bones ... fish skeletons found in inland deserts ... other hard evidence of millions and millions of years of evolution were in fact put there by God as traps for unbelievers? No idea. I'm not a scientist. I'm not God. And I am not even interested in dinasaur bones and dinasaurs. Kinda the least of my worries. But fly at er.
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Post by daft on Mar 20, 2020 7:52:59 GMT -5
Ha, no! I am daft! Interesting. So, along the same line of thought, dinosaur bones ... fish skeletons found in inland deserts ... other hard evidence of millions and millions of years of evolution were in fact put there by God as traps for unbelievers? No idea. I'm not a scientist. I'm not God. And I am not even interested in dinasaur bones and dinasaurs. Kinda the least of my worries. But fly at er. Two points make a line, right? Point 1 = An asteroid of the magnitude and nature of the one described in that article I posted probably didn't happen because the Bible doesn't mention it. Point 2 is a point further along the line of thinking of Point 1, that dinosaurs didn't really live and exist because the Bible doesn't really say so. It just seems to me that if someone believes in the Bible in the strictest sense has to disregard ALL Earthly evidence to the contrary because these two points above lead one towards that conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 8:27:24 GMT -5
No idea. I'm not a scientist. I'm not God. And I am not even interested in dinasaur bones and dinasaurs. Kinda the least of my worries. But fly at er. Two points make a line, right? Point 1 = An asteroid of the magnitude and nature of the one described in that article I posted probably didn't happen because the Bible doesn't mention it. Point 2 is a point further along the line of thinking of Point 1, that dinosaurs didn't really live and exist because the Bible doesn't really say so. It just seems to me that if someone believes in the Bible in the strictest sense has to disregard ALL Earthly evidence to the contrary because these two points above lead one towards that conclusion. i believe the book of job mentions behemoth and leviathan both could have been the descriptions of dinosaurs....
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Post by iam on Mar 20, 2020 10:56:20 GMT -5
No idea. I'm not a scientist. I'm not God. And I am not even interested in dinasaur bones and dinasaurs. Kinda the least of my worries. But fly at er. Two points make a line, right?  Point 1 = An asteroid of the magnitude and nature of the one described in that article I posted probably didn't happen because the Bible doesn't mention it. Point 2 is a point further along the line of thinking of Point 1, that dinosaurs didn't really live and exist because the Bible doesn't really say so.  It just seems to me that if someone believes in the Bible in the strictest sense has to disregard ALL Earthly evidence to the contrary because these two points above lead one towards that conclusion.  Good enough for me
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Post by snow on Mar 20, 2020 14:32:11 GMT -5
Two points make a line, right? Point 1 = An asteroid of the magnitude and nature of the one described in that article I posted probably didn't happen because the Bible doesn't mention it. Point 2 is a point further along the line of thinking of Point 1, that dinosaurs didn't really live and exist because the Bible doesn't really say so. It just seems to me that if someone believes in the Bible in the strictest sense has to disregard ALL Earthly evidence to the contrary because these two points above lead one towards that conclusion. i believe the book of job mentions behemoth and leviathan both could have been the descriptions of dinosaurs.... Dinosaurs and humans never co existed. Mammoths and man did but T rex and his ilk didn't. There was 65 million years between the extinction of dinosaurs and humans. So if the bible talked about behemoth it is assuredly not referring to dinosaurs. But there were large animals in existence like the Mammoth, giant armadillos, saber tooth tigers etc.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 20, 2020 14:35:10 GMT -5
Two points make a line, right? Point 1 = An asteroid of the magnitude and nature of the one described in that article I posted probably didn't happen because the Bible doesn't mention it. Point 2 is a point further along the line of thinking of Point 1, that dinosaurs didn't really live and exist because the Bible doesn't really say so. It just seems to me that if someone believes in the Bible in the strictest sense has to disregard ALL Earthly evidence to the contrary because these two points above lead one towards that conclusion. i believe the book of job mentions behemoth and leviathan both could have been the descriptions of dinosaurs.... The wee problem with that is that the dinosaurs were gone by 65 million years ago. There were definitely no humans around then. As far as the two terms, one could have been referring to elephants, hippo's or rhino's. The other could have been referring to whales, sharks and some other large fish. But we don't actually know which one of those and it would only be guessing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 14:37:15 GMT -5
i believe the book of job mentions behemoth and leviathan both could have been the descriptions of dinosaurs.... Dinosaurs and humans never co existed. Mammoths and man did but T rex and his ilk didn't. There was 65 million years between the extinction of dinosaurs and humans. So if the bible talked about behemoth it is assuredly not referring to dinosaurs. But there were large animals in existence like the Mammoth, giant armadillos, saber tooth tigers etc. only if you believe in an old earth....
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Post by snow on Mar 20, 2020 14:38:41 GMT -5
Dinosaurs and humans never co existed. Mammoths and man did but T rex and his ilk didn't. There was 65 million years between the extinction of dinosaurs and humans. So if the bible talked about behemoth it is assuredly not referring to dinosaurs. But there were large animals in existence like the Mammoth, giant armadillos, saber tooth tigers etc. only if you believe in an old earth.... True. But it would then be inaccurate and just a belief.
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Post by intelchips on Mar 20, 2020 15:05:51 GMT -5
i believe the book of job mentions behemoth and leviathan both could have been the descriptions of dinosaurs.... Dinosaurs and humans never co existed. Mammoths and man did but T rex and his ilk didn't. There was 65 million years between the extinction of dinosaurs and humans. So if the bible talked about behemoth it is assuredly not referring to dinosaurs. But there were large animals in existence like the Mammoth, giant armadillos, saber tooth tigers etc. There are many surviving textual data existing from ancient history. These data included all kinds of information. Some of them we would all call religious in nature but unless they favor the particular religion we hold dear and practice we would call them myth, fiction, and wild stories. However, on closer examination how does one sort the myth from the fact? Putting aside the Gospels, who among you can date the Old Testament? When was it written, who wrote it? Whom was its intended audience? At the time of its publication how well was it received? The current students of these questions have moved the date to after the Israelite's came home from Babylon and we know that date. Yes some of the parts of the books were around in some form or another before that time but not very much older. What do we really know? There is no one Bible. There have been different versions in history and different religions interpret the texts in their own way, adding or taking away. The commonly-used English-language version is the King James Bible, which was printed in 1611. But the oldest text would have to be the Hebrew Bible or the Tanakh. One highly-damaged ancient scroll, contains the Old Testament Book of Leviticus and dates to 300 CE. The so-called âEn-Gediâ scroll thus became one of the oldest Biblical texts in existence. But not the oldest. The Oldest known to the best of my knowledge at the time of this writing is the Silver Scrolls, found at Ketef Hinnom in Israel, which contain texts from the Hebrew Bible that date to about 700-650 BCE. So the oldest Biblical text we found is about 2700 years old. Of course, this is just what weâve been able to locate and date. The first Biblical stories were passed down orally and only written down later by various authors. Most Biblical scholars believe the Book of Genesis was the first book to be written down. This would have happened around 1450 to 1400 BCE. This then gives us a working date of about 3400 years or so ago for the various texts to have begun being collected in some form or another. And knowing this because all of you are of sound mind and a good education you want to place a 65 Mil year old creature in the Old Testament? Is there a Lawyer among you that can help get some of the money back I spent on education?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 20, 2020 15:13:31 GMT -5
Dinosaurs and humans never co existed. Mammoths and man did but T rex and his ilk didn't. There was 65 million years between the extinction of dinosaurs and humans. So if the bible talked about behemoth it is assuredly not referring to dinosaurs. But there were large animals in existence like the Mammoth, giant armadillos, saber tooth tigers etc. only if you believe in an old earth.... I prefer facts rather than fancy. Just as you are finding that penicillin beats prayer.
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Post by fixit on Mar 20, 2020 16:33:35 GMT -5
Dinosaurs and humans never co existed. Mammoths and man did but T rex and his ilk didn't. There was 65 million years between the extinction of dinosaurs and humans. So if the bible talked about behemoth it is assuredly not referring to dinosaurs. But there were large animals in existence like the Mammoth, giant armadillos, saber tooth tigers etc. only if you believe in an old earth.... Intelchips has been incredibly patient in trying to have an intelligent discussion. Young earth theory is incompatible with science. And an intelligent discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 20:04:58 GMT -5
only if you believe in an old earth.... Intelchips has been incredibly patient in trying to have an intelligent discussion. Young earth theory is incompatible with science. And an intelligent discussion. you either believe the bible or you don't...pretty simple even for a scientist to understand i think....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 20, 2020 20:09:21 GMT -5
Intelchips has been incredibly patient in trying to have an intelligent discussion. Young earth theory is incompatible with science. And an intelligent discussion. you either believe the bible or you don't...pretty simple even for a scientist to understand i think.... Another way of putting it is as follows, You either believe in scientific facts or you have faith in the bible.
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Post by fixit on Mar 20, 2020 20:53:18 GMT -5
Intelchips has been incredibly patient in trying to have an intelligent discussion. Young earth theory is incompatible with science. And an intelligent discussion. you either believe the bible or you don't...pretty simple even for a scientist to understand i think.... Have you ever noticed that people who "believe the bible" disagree sometimes? That's because there are infinite differences in interpretation. My faith is not in the bible, but my faith is found in the bible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 21:00:39 GMT -5
you either believe the bible or you don't...pretty simple even for a scientist to understand i think.... Have you ever noticed that people who "believe the bible" disagree sometimes? That's because there are infinite differences in interpretation. My faith is not in the bible, but my faith is found in the bible. you should remember that then when taking an atheist position over a brothers understanding of genesis...oh right you don't do that do you....
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Post by nathan on Mar 20, 2020 21:19:54 GMT -5
Two points make a line, right? Point 1 = An asteroid of the magnitude and nature of the one described in that article I posted probably didn't happen because the Bible doesn't mention it. Point 2 is a point further along the line of thinking of Point 1, that dinosaurs didn't really live and exist because the Bible doesn't really say so. It just seems to me that if someone believes in the Bible in the strictest sense has to disregard ALL Earthly evidence to the contrary because these two points above lead one towards that conclusion. i believe the book of job mentions behemoth and leviathan both could have been the descriptions of dinosaurs.... Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur? by Allan K. Steel Summary In Job 40, the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called âBehemothâ. No known living animal, such as the elephant or hippopotamus, fits the passage adequately. A detailed analysis of the key clause Job 40:17a suggests that the most natural interpretation is that the tail of Behemoth is compared to a cedar for its great size. Consequently, the most reasonable interpretation is that Behemoth was a large animal, now extinct, which had a large tail. Thus some type of extinct dinosaur should still be considered a perfectly reasonable possibility according to our present state of knowledge. creation.com/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 20, 2020 21:46:48 GMT -5
i believe the book of job mentions behemoth and leviathan both could have been the descriptions of dinosaurs.... Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur? by Allan K. Steel Summary In Job 40, the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called âBehemothâ. No known living animal, such as the elephant or hippopotamus, fits the passage adequately. A detailed analysis of the key clause Job 40:17a suggests that the most natural interpretation is that the tail of Behemoth is compared to a cedar for its great size. Consequently, the most reasonable interpretation is that Behemoth was a large animal, now extinct, which had a large tail. Thus some type of extinct dinosaur should still be considered a perfectly reasonable possibility according to our present state of knowledge. creation.com/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaurSteel and you are ignoring the FACT that dinosaurs and humans did not co exist. Sixty millions years plus apart.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 20, 2020 21:52:47 GMT -5
I remember a quote that went along the lines of, âyou are the result of 3.8 billions years of evolution, f**ing act like itâ. Devolution is rife on TMB. The above screenshot is the result of my iPad doing strange things indeed.. turns out the âf**ingâ is actually another word for ârumpy pumpyingâ đđ¤Łđ
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 20, 2020 23:01:32 GMT -5
I remember a quote that went along the lines of, âyou are the result of 3.8 billions years of evolution, f**ing act like itâ. Devolution is rife on TMB. The above screenshot is the result of my iPad doing strange things indeed.. turns out the âf**ingâ is actually another word for ârumpy pumpyingâ đđ¤Łđ Classic.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 20, 2020 23:25:27 GMT -5
I remember a quote that went along the lines of, âyou are the result of 3.8 billions years of evolution, f**ing act like itâ. Devolution is rife on TMB. The above screenshot is the result of my iPad doing strange things indeed.. turns out the âf**ingâ is actually another word for ârumpy pumpyingâ đđ¤Łđ Classic. Seems you have to use f**ing with a âkâ in it for it to changed to rumpy pumpying. And it only changes it after youâve posted it. Was a crack up indeed đđ
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Post by nathan on Mar 21, 2020 10:56:39 GMT -5
Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur? by Allan K. Steel Summary In Job 40, the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called âBehemothâ. No known living animal, such as the elephant or hippopotamus, fits the passage adequately. A detailed analysis of the key clause Job 40:17a suggests that the most natural interpretation is that the tail of Behemoth is compared to a cedar for its great size. Consequently, the most reasonable interpretation is that Behemoth was a large animal, now extinct, which had a large tail. Thus some type of extinct dinosaur should still be considered a perfectly reasonable possibility according to our present state of knowledge. creation.com/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaurSteel and you are ignoring the FACT that dinosaurs and humans did not co exist. Sixty millions years plus apart. Maybe it is you, who is the ignorant here, curly.
Fossil Footprints Over the years a large number of fossilized human tracks have been reported at various locations around the world. Some of these shed light on the coexistence of men and dinosaurs. The Paluxy River basin in Glen Rose Texas is the location of Dinosaur Valley State Park. Many dinosaur tracks have been found along the river and a large number have been excavated to preserve them from erosion. But there have also been human tracks found in this same rock layer. To the right is the Willet print, which was excavated from a limestone ledge near Dinosaur Valley State Park. Below to the left is the Feminine Print, a âhuman track inside a dinosaur track,â that was found in the Paluxy River area of Glen Rose, Texas. In the center is the Delk Print, which shows a human footprint intruded by a tridactyl dinosaur print. The Delk Track has been authenticated by spiral CT scan, which can verify that there is greater compression density below the tracks then elsewhere in the rock. The right picture shows what are called âfollowing contoursâ revealed by the CT scan. These would not be there if the track was carved. These Paluxy âman-tracks alongside dinosaur-tracksâ have been the source of considerable controversy over the years. www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/footprints/www.bing.com/images/search?q=footprints+of+men+alongside+with+dinosaurs&qpvt=footprints+of+men+along+side+with+dinosaurs&form=IGRE&first=1&cw=1117&ch=543Dinosaurs footprints found in Australia www.bing.com/images/search?q=dinosaur+footprints+australia&FORM=IRMHEPDinosaurs bones found in Alaska www.bing.com/images/search?q=Dinosaur+Bones+in+Alaska&FORM=RESTAB
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Post by intelchips on Mar 21, 2020 11:37:12 GMT -5
Steel and you are ignoring the FACT that dinosaurs and humans did not co exist. Sixty millions years plus apart. Maybe it is you, who is the ignorant here, curly.
Fossil Footprints Over the years a large number of fossilized human tracks have been reported at various locations around the world. Some of these shed light on the coexistence of men and dinosaurs. The Paluxy River basin in Glen Rose Texas is the location of Dinosaur Valley State Park. Many dinosaur tracks have been found along the river and a large number have been excavated to preserve them from erosion. But there have also been human tracks found in this same rock layer. To the right is the Willet print, which was excavated from a limestone ledge near Dinosaur Valley State Park. Below to the left is the Feminine Print, a âhuman track inside a dinosaur track,â that was found in the Paluxy River area of Glen Rose, Texas. In the center is the Delk Print, which shows a human footprint intruded by a tridactyl dinosaur print. The Delk Track has been authenticated by spiral CT scan, which can verify that there is greater compression density below the tracks then elsewhere in the rock. The right picture shows what are called âfollowing contoursâ revealed by the CT scan. These would not be there if the track was carved. These Paluxy âman-tracks alongside dinosaur-tracksâ have been the source of considerable controversy over the years. www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/footprints/www.bing.com/images/search?q=footprints+of+men+alongside+with+dinosaurs&qpvt=footprints+of+men+along+side+with+dinosaurs&form=IGRE&first=1&cw=1117&ch=543Dinosaurs footprints found in Australia www.bing.com/images/search?q=dinosaur+footprints+australia&FORM=IRMHEPDinosaurs bones found in Alaska www.bing.com/images/search?q=Dinosaur+Bones+in+Alaska&FORM=RESTABNathan, in the concept of all things possible if one is to consider that Dinos and Humans existed at the same time then we have to specific that it would be illogical to claim they lived in the same area. If mom and child were safe in a cave while the hunters were out scavenging for food when the hunters didn't come back mom and child would soon follow in death. Lets try to be real on these boards [edit] PS besides that what is a human foot print doing outside the Garden Of Eden at that time?
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Post by nathan on Mar 21, 2020 11:52:43 GMT -5
Nathan, in the concept of all things possible if one is to consider that Dinos and Humans existed at the same time then we have to specific that it would be illogical to claim they lived in the same area. If mom and child were safe in a cave while the hunters were out scavenging for food when the hunters didn't come back mom and child would soon follow in death. Lets try to be real on these boards [edit] PS besides that what is a human foot print doing outside the Garden Of Eden at that time? I have told you folks for years, Adam was NOT God first human being that He/They created in the Garden of Eden 6000 years ago.
Neandethrals and other humans races existed before Adam and Eve for hundred, millions and billions of years.
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Post by mountain on Mar 21, 2020 12:50:55 GMT -5
Nathan, in the concept of all things possible if one is to consider that Dinos and Humans existed at the same time then we have to specific that it would be illogical to claim they lived in the same area. If mom and child were safe in a cave while the hunters were out scavenging for food when the hunters didn't come back mom and child would soon follow in death. Lets try to be real on these boards [edit] PS besides that what is a human foot print doing outside the Garden Of Eden at that time? I have told you folks for years, Adam was NOT God first human being that He/They created in the Garden of Eden 6000 years ago.
Neandethrals and other humans races existed before Adam and Eve for hundred, millions and billions of years.
All perfectly sinless who never died. It was Adam who brought sin and death into the world. When that happened, all the sinless populations entered the hollow Earth where they live unto this day, never having died. (Grats)
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 21, 2020 14:01:56 GMT -5
Nathan, in the concept of all things possible if one is to consider that Dinos and Humans existed at the same time then we have to specific that it would be illogical to claim they lived in the same area. If mom and child were safe in a cave while the hunters were out scavenging for food when the hunters didn't come back mom and child would soon follow in death. Lets try to be real on these boards [edit] PS besides that what is a human foot print doing outside the Garden Of Eden at that time? I have told you folks for years, Adam was NOT God first human being that He/They created in the Garden of Eden 6000 years ago.
Neandethrals and other humans races existed before Adam and Eve for hundred, millions and billions of years.
Go back to school Nathan, your ignorance is showing and you are making a fool of yourself again.
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Post by fixit on Mar 21, 2020 14:39:46 GMT -5
Steel and you are ignoring the FACT that dinosaurs and humans did not co exist. Sixty millions years plus apart. Maybe it is you, who is the ignorant here, curly.
Fossil Footprints Over the years a large number of fossilized human tracks have been reported at various locations around the world. Some of these shed light on the coexistence of men and dinosaurs. The Paluxy River basin in Glen Rose Texas is the location of Dinosaur Valley State Park. Many dinosaur tracks have been found along the river and a large number have been excavated to preserve them from erosion. But there have also been human tracks found in this same rock layer. To the right is the Willet print, which was excavated from a limestone ledge near Dinosaur Valley State Park. Below to the left is the Feminine Print, a âhuman track inside a dinosaur track,â that was found in the Paluxy River area of Glen Rose, Texas. In the center is the Delk Print, which shows a human footprint intruded by a tridactyl dinosaur print. The Delk Track has been authenticated by spiral CT scan, which can verify that there is greater compression density below the tracks then elsewhere in the rock. The right picture shows what are called âfollowing contoursâ revealed by the CT scan. These would not be there if the track was carved. These Paluxy âman-tracks alongside dinosaur-tracksâ have been the source of considerable controversy over the years. www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/footprints/www.bing.com/images/search?q=footprints+of+men+alongside+with+dinosaurs&qpvt=footprints+of+men+along+side+with+dinosaurs&form=IGRE&first=1&cw=1117&ch=543Dinosaurs footprints found in Australia www.bing.com/images/search?q=dinosaur+footprints+australia&FORM=IRMHEPDinosaurs bones found in Alaska www.bing.com/images/search?q=Dinosaur+Bones+in+Alaska&FORM=RESTABThis is a great example of Nathan-style research. 1. Decide what you want to prove. 2. Do some quick Bing searches. 3. Paste the resulting proof into the TMB thread. 4. Last but not least - add this newfound wisdom to Nathan's knowledge base (links are at the footer of all Nathan's posts). professing.proboards.com/thread/25658/nathan-time-line-irvine-founder?page=27 (then scroll to bottom)
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Post by intelchips on Mar 21, 2020 15:00:46 GMT -5
This is a great example of Nathan-style research. 1. Decide what you want to prove. 2. Do some quick Bing searches. 3. Paste the resulting proof into the TMB thread. 4. Last but not least - add this newfound wisdom to Nathan's knowledge base (links are at the footer of all Nathan's posts). professing.proboards.com/thread/25658/nathan-time-line-irvine-founder?page=27 (then scroll to bottom) Okay Nathan, it's time for Bob to start teaching you English grammar and how to use it ( the grammar) in your writing style. Problem is Bob is busy fighting the Virus in Nevada and I think he got caught up when they (weird thing believers) attacked Area 51. I know I can't do as good of a job as he (Bob) could have were he free to school you but I'll try. Lets start with "who is the ignorant here". That doesn't work very well in English. Humm, lets, see, lets try this, who is the ignorant [one] here? Or we could say the ignorant one is curly. Or we could say everyone here is very Intelligent except curly. The main problem with whatever you take away from this lesson is curly seems to me to be playing with a full deck of cards unlike others.
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