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Post by nathan on Mar 6, 2020 10:30:36 GMT -5
1) Someone wrote: I’m not sure whether his followers thought he was god during his own lifetime, I’m most certain his followers only came to believe Jesus was god after his life and death.. then again I can only speak from a historical perspective because I’m not am Christian.. 2) STR wrote: Luke 5:8.-11 They cast out as Jesus said. Had fished all night and no catch. They caught a multitude of fishes so that their net brake. Called their partners filled them that both ships begin to sink. Verse 7: When Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’s knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord. He knew he was in the presence of God. His partners saw and were astonished also. Then they forsook their ships and followed him. When they were out on the sea again and the storms and winds nearly sank them. They awakened Jesus and he rebuked the winds and sea. They knew that only God controlled the wind and sea. NathanB: Amen, Many knew Jesus was God and Lord/Yahweh and worship him while he was alive before his death.
1) The apostle Thomas said to Jesus after the resurrection, "My Lord and My God" in John 20:24-29. Jesus did NOT say don't call me Lord and God but accepted the title which Thomas called Him. 2) Mary the mother of Jesus said about the unborn Son in Luke 1:46-47 “My soul magnifies the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."
Matthew 8:2 notes a healed leper who worshipped Jesus. Later, a ruler knelt before Jesus after He had healed his Son. Matthew 9:18 states, "A ruler came in and knelt before him."The disciples worshipped Jesus after He walked on water. Matthew 14:33 shares, "Those in the boat worshipped him, saying, 'Truly you are the Son of God.'"A Canaanite woman worshipped Jesus. Matthew 15:25 notes, "she came and knelt before him, saying, 'Lord, help me.'" The mother of James and John also knelt in worship before Jesus. Matthew 20:20 shares, "Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came up to him with her sons, and kneeling before him she asked him for something." Mark 5:6 describes a man worshiping Jesus who was tormented by evil spirits. We read, "when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and fell down before him." A healed blind man worshipped Jesus. John 9:38 states, "He said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped him."Those who argue Jesus was not worshipped as divine until later times such as at the Council of Nicea 3rd century disregard the clear facts provided in Scripture. Those who interacted with Jesus, including His disciples, worshipped Him as Lord even during His time on earth.
That no.1 point is what I said. And I’ll say it again.. Jesus followers did not understand him to be anything but a human while he was alive. Only after his death did they have a sense that Jesus had became apart of the divine realm, that he was god. You also can’t claim theological points of the bible to be “facts”. It just doesn’t work that way. There is nothing factual about theology no matter how much you personally want it to be the truth. You will never see the bible from a historical perspective because you are unable to suspend your own theological beliefs or disbelief in its teachings. And I show you many verses to prove that you/atheist have an INCORRECT thinking! your thinking and belief don't line up with Jesus or the people, and his followers.
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Post by nathan on Mar 6, 2020 10:34:34 GMT -5
8/2020 Dan said: I don't believe Cain ran off to Nod and married a non-related woman. God created mankind in Genesis 1:27, male and female he created them simultaneously. Genesis 2 is separate, where God formed a specific man. Eve was the mother of all living in the sense that through her, from umbilical cord to umbilical cord, Messiah would come, and we are either alive in Christ or dead to sin. 1) mountain said: Whilst the following could fit in to what you say, I think it is unlikely? Also, the mankind in Genesis 1 would have to be assumed to be 100% obedient and sinless because it was through Adam (and Eve) that sin and death entered into the world. 1 Corinthians 15:45-47 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. ~~ NathanB: Paul was a man; he is NOT God... He doesn't KNOW or have ALL the answer. What would Paul say about the Neandertals. and Denisovans humans genetic species came before Adam and Eve. Dan is correct!
Update August 2018: The publication of The genome of the offspring of a Neanderthal mother and a Denisovan father confirms the need to re-think species boundaries as described in this 2011 piece below.Rethinking SpeciesThe 2010 discoveries of Denisovans, the 2012 findings of archaic African DNA, and the additional 2012 genetic sequencing of Denisovans are part of a longer trajectory dating to the discovery of fossil Neandertals. Ever since the fossil Neandertal discoveries in the 19th century, debates have raged about who they were. Were Neandertals direct ancestors to modern humans? A completely different species? Or a sub-species, like a race? And now what should we do with the Denisovans?
Anthropology can now confidently report that Neandertals, Denisovans, and others labelled archaic are in fact an interbreeding part of the modern human lineage. We are the same species. There has been extensive admixture across modern humans for tens of thousands of years, and at least some admixture across several archaic groups. Neandertals, Denisovans, and other archaics may be the best example of a true human race or sub-species. www.livinganthropologically.com/biological-anthropology/denisovans-neandertals-human-races/So, Mountain... Are you saying the Neandertals. and Denisovans were NOT humans beings and they didn't have souls? They look like humans to me and they must have souls/to live.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 6, 2020 18:53:51 GMT -5
That no.1 point is what I said. And I’ll say it again.. Jesus followers did not understand him to be anything but a human while he was alive. Only after his death did they have a sense that Jesus had became apart of the divine realm, that he was god. You also can’t claim theological points of the bible to be “facts”. It just doesn’t work that way. There is nothing factual about theology no matter how much you personally want it to be the truth. You will never see the bible from a historical perspective because you are unable to suspend your own theological beliefs or disbelief in its teachings. And I show you many verses to prove that you/atheist have an INCORRECT thinking! your thinking and belief don't line up with Jesus or the people, and his followers.My thinking doesn’t line up with Jesus or the people and his followers? Sound to me that you know nothing of Jesus and his followers when he actually lived. If you were able to seperate your theology from history you might see things differently. I’m taking a historical approach to understanding Jesus, and that doesn’t make what I have been saying incorrect. Far from it.
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Post by nathan on Mar 6, 2020 21:16:14 GMT -5
1) Snow wrote: And of course they can't answer that. There is no way to logically wrap our minds around why a God would need to take human form and then sacrifice himself to save us from himself. It also takes away from the act and his life to believe he was a God wandering around in a human guise. There is no sacrifice if he is a God. He knows all the time exactly who he is and his death is demeaned if he also knows exactly that he cannot die. That's how I see it anyway.
*** NathanB: Here is the picture that I see...
The Godhead created Adam and Lilth in their image and in their Likeness AND their children to be rulers over their creation, the animals, Satan and the fallen angels on earth. Adam and Lilth were IMMORTALS beings created by Christ/God from the dust of the grounds in the Garden of Eden/inner earth.
Satan/Serpent deceived Lilth into sins and she followed him and be became one of his queens of Darkness of the under world kingdom. In the book of Genesis 2 God said it was NOT good for Adam to be ALONE! Therefore, this time God created Eve from one of Adam ribs/DNA to be his Help mate/wife to bear children for him.
Satan deceived Eve like he did with Lilth and he succeeded again. God KNEW all about Satan/Serpent one of his fierce rival enemies for long, long time. God had warned them about Satan/the forbidden fruit, NOT to touch or taste it because you BOTH will DIE naturally and Spiritually/ Seperation from God forever!
They didn't believe God words, they listened to Satan words, thou shall NOT die, your eyes will open with all kinds of knowledge and wisdom. What they did was they sold or signed their souls and all of their fallen children souls belong to Satan and he keeps their souls after deatin the garden of Eden/Inner earth
In Luke 16 Jesus/God gave us understanding where all the souls of the dead go after death. The unbelievers souls to Hades/hell where the rich man stayed there until he stand before God and Christ sentenced or cast on the Lake of Fire= Second Death/ Eternal separation from God forever.
After death all believers souls such as Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Elijah, king David etc... Go to Hades/hell realm of the dead but they stayed on the better side paradise, no sufferings or sorrows there.
They wait there for the time Christ/God who came down from heaven to pay for their sins so, they could be set FREE from Hades! To ENTER heaven. God would NOT and could NOT allow spirits of disobedience= sinners to enter HEAVEN. Jesus said to Nicodemus/sinner "You must be born AGAIN!" To enter the kingdom of heaven.
Out of the Goodness God the Father heart He allowed Christ/God came down from Heaven to earth in the person Jesus to die for our Adam, Eve and our sins so, we can enter heaven. Christ is God/Spirit can't die for our sins but Jesus the man/Died for our sins so, our souls can be set free from Hades/inner earth prison of Satan to enter heaven to be with Christ and God the Father.
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Post by nathan on Mar 9, 2020 9:19:50 GMT -5
1) Dan wrote: He did; "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1 John 1:7). "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many" (Matthew 20:28).
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10).
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood" (Romans 5:9) "In him we have redemption through his blood" (Ephesians 1:7)
"He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.. He was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.. When thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.. He bare the sin of many (Isaiah 53).
Of course Jesus is the Word, teachings, and example too, but without the sacrifice, there is no remission of sin. Sin is a debt, and the debt must be paid. Accepting this is fundamental to the Christian faith, reject his sacrifice and we're guilty of sin.
2) RossB. If there is no physical sacrifice and no shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins (Hebrews 9). If Christ did not willingly go to Calvary, die and take the punishment we deserve, there is simply no hope for anyone. The wrath of God has not been appeased. That's why it was God's will that Christ would have to physically die and shed his blood for sin to be dealt with eternally. That's why Christ said he MUST die and rise again and why he said yes to the Father's will and plan - he knew what it meant for mankind.
My best efforts or doing my best at trying to die to sin/self every day, will simply NEVER be good enough to enable me to enter in or be declared "not guilty" on judgement day. My best will never satisfy God nor appease his wrath and judgement. It's just not possible - my best (and everyone else's) is just like filthy rags before a Holy God (Romans 3).
It's only possible for me or anyone to please God (which he wants us to do) after we've accepted the covering He has provided for sin in and through Christ's shed blood on Calvary - it's the first base so to speak. If we don't accept that, it's a pointless exercise trying to please God. We simply can't and won't succeed.
The reason why is very simple. God is completely holy, hates sin and cannot bear to look upon it. If our sin (past, present and future) is not covered by the shed blood of Christ, when God looks on us, he sees our sinfulness. We have no protection, now or on judgement day. But if we accept the covering of our sin that Christ has provided on Calvary, when God looks on us, he sees Christ and his perfection. He sees the Holy Lamb and we are complete in Him. Nothing but perfection and complete righteousness can enter God's Kingdom - that's why we can only enter through Christ and in the perfect offering He has made on Calvary.
That's why His shed blood is so precious to us - in accepting it, it is our only hope of being right with God. And that's why we live for Him - in response to His amazing gift of life. And of course, in rising again, he has declared to us that he was not only conquered and dealt with sin eternally, but he has also dealt with death, the outcome of sin. That's why we know him as our Redeemer and Savior.
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Post by nathan on Mar 9, 2020 12:52:19 GMT -5
1) Mountain wrote: We are told to believe in the Son of God. IMO believing means to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, dying daily to let God control our lives, and to be willing for what he wills us to do. Many have followed Jesus and died cruel deaths themselves as a result. The natural blood of Jesus doesn't save anyone. It is a provision whereby we can be saved. You're right, it is the life within in us which saves us, but without God's provision of Jesus's blood we could not be cleansed of our unrighteousness and thus could not be presented righteous before God.
2) NathanB: To believe in Jesus the Son of God means to accept Him as God or part the Godhead/Father, Christ and Holy Spirit. Only God can forgive our sins, therefore Jesus is God the Christ, who Died for our sins. No Angel in heaven, or any man on earth can make atonement for our sins ONLY Christ/God who lived in the person Jesus God/Man to redeem us and became our Lord God Savior.
God the Father and the Holy Spirit did NOT DIE for our sins but Christ/God the Son did! Jesus the man died, the Spirit of Christ in Him didn't die, that part is ETERNAL it can NEVER die or sin.
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Post by nathan on Mar 11, 2020 10:48:26 GMT -5
1) 3/11/2020 Nathan said: And we enjoy reading RAM/Mountain made up story of Dorothy William Irvine sister's letter, the Fake Valiant Thor character on TMB, and many of your own creation stories through the years, too. 2) RoseT. wrote: Mmm but what nathan didn't mention was that he believed the story of "Dorothy, Irvines sister"!
Nathan wrote: That is a bunch of baloney! Rose T. I knew it was a HOAX letter right away! I studied William Irvine family lineage from TTT website and he didn't have any sister name Dorothy Irvine. 3) Redback wrote: I am sure mountain can fill us in nathan !
1) Ram/Mountain wrote: Come on now Nathan, I was not a rodent back then, I was the RAM! Unfortunately I don't have a copy of that letter, and the RAM account has disappeared into cyber space, so it looks as though the veritable traces of Dorothy Irvine have disappeared for ever? Mind you, there does exist somewhere, 'The Spontaneous Chronicles' of her illegitimate son, Trevor. For those who don't know, as a young man Trevor Irvine was refused entry to the work on account of his sweaty feet. The official reason was that he would require too large a suitcase to carry around with him all the socks he would require. Apparently batching with him, or staying in the homes of friends, would be unbearable for those around him the moment he took his shoes of! This is relatively well covered in one of his Chronicles 'Trevor and his trodden troubles,' when it was arranged for him to have a 'quiet' assessment term in the work, accompanying brother worker Reekie Foot, a fellow Scotsman, whom he was close to spiritually but not so much physically. [/quote] ~~ NathanB wrote: OK, I found the article. ~~ Ram (ex-2x2) posted a document written by Dorothy William to discredit William Irvine sister story: It was posted as a factual documented in 2010 but came back a few years later and confessed the article was a JOKE! And many people were NOT happy with him for his bad taste of humor.
Ram wrote: At long last we have some kind of support for the long-held tenuous claims of a link between William Irvine, his faith, his organisation and his sister's connection. May this put to rest the doubts of his accusers whom I hope will show a measure of circumspect as they consider this enlightening material. That his sister Dorothy was a prolific writer to editors of religious periodicals is a well attested fact. Her valiant efforts to the editor of the Impartial Reporter newspaper, though going unheeded, should nevertheless be recognised. It says a lot for that journal that she did not appear to have received even the courtesy of a reply? Anyway, I feel it is worth reprinting this effort for the benefit of those reading here. I have the permission of Mrs Molly Keddle, great granddaughter of Eilleen Dover, who knew Christina Box, close friend of Dorothy Irvine, a sister to the late William Irvine. Therefore, reprinting rights are not an issue. 15 Main Street Kilsyth Scotland 30th August 1910 Dear Sir, I am a sister of William Irvine and this is my third letter to you in recent times in response to the regular articles appearing in "The Impartial Reporter and Farmers' Journal" concerning the non-denominational Christian sect which you incorrectly refer to as "the Cooneyites" and by other inappropriate names. It appears to me that you have chosen to completely ignore my previous letters as to date I have received no reply and neither of my letters have appeared in your journal. I would have thought in the interests of fairness and "impartiality" that you would have given air to my concerns, especially since I have pointed out the incorrect, biased and grossly offensive manner of your reporting? On this occasion I am compelled to take issue with your most recent portrayal titled "The Tramp Preachers," published on page 8 of the August 25th issue of your journal. In this somewhat extensive article, purported to be the reproduction of an account by an annonymous former member, detailing the doctrine and beliefs of our sect, many, many false claims are made. It would take at least one full edition of the Impartial Reporter to even begin to address my many concerns. Let your readers be aware, this whole article is a complete fabrication and could not have been written by any person who possessed intimate day to day knowledge of our sect. In view of this I will concentrate on the initial "false" claim by this supposed former member, who states, "William Irvine, the FOUNDER and SUPREME AUTHORITY of what is known as Cooneyism." Firstly, there is no such thing as Cooneyism. Secondly, we take no name for ourselves. My good brother most definately was not the FOUNDER of our group, though in a sense it could be agreed that he was the FINDER. Let me introduce you to a brief background out of which our group emerged. It is sad that our "quiet" presence in history has gone unnoticed and that as a result of our recent revival, all of recognised Christendom in Eire and Great Britain has sought to destroy us on account of the many people who are flocking to us due to the dissatisfaction they are experiencing with the traditional churches and their wrong portrayal of the Gospel message, claiming that we are some kind of new thing when in reality we precede them all. As you know there were ascetic missionaries and communities existing in Eire centuries before the invasion of the Romish faith from which the many Protestant churches sprung forth. During the days when the Romish faith gained authority and power, these primitive peoples enjoying simplicity in worship were heavily persecuted and scattered, just as we read of what happened to the early Christian church in Acts of the Apostles. Some were forced to leave their homelands and headed for the remoter regions in Europe such as the Alps and Pyranees, etc. Others fled to the deep glens of the McGillycuddy Reeks in the south of Eire, where they obtained refuge from the simple aborigenes who stayed there. They continued to worship in their homes, all the time maintaining a low profile in society for centuries. Alas, during the poverty times in Eire during the 19th century, resulting from the potato blight which brought much famine during which many hundreds of thousands of people starved to death, the numbers of our ancestral group also diminished rapidly. Some lucky ones set off to Europe and joined our brethren who were still existing in the remoter regions in much the same way as they had continued to survive in the lower regions of McGillycuddy's Reeks. During the early 1890's my late sister Margaret went to work as a housemaid for a family who owned a considerable tract of land in the Reeks' region. After a short time she met a small community of worshippers (about four-six families) who met in their homes every Sabbath and during weekdays. On one occasion they were visited by worshippers from the same sect who had travelled over from Switzerland. They too had suffered from many hardships over the years and were down to about three families at the most. However, they were very skilled at making sounding instruments from the horns of cattle and sheep and were able to survive better than most in those harsh days. My sister later told my brother William about these simple people and the way they worshipped. Some time later my brother became a Superintendent with the Faith Mission and was sent to labour as a faith worker in the south of Eire for a number of years. During this time William visited these people, who quite naturally on account of all they had suffered in the past, beseached him to keep their existence and whereabouts secret. William continued to visit these families in between his gospel missions and gradually saw that his way was wrong and that their way of worship was right. He remained true to his promise not to disclose any information about these few families, even to his fellow christian colleagues. Nevertheless, a work had begun in William. He had to break away from the Faith Mission and somehow continue the way he'd learned in the glens of the Reeks. A few years later, his connection with the Faith Mission ceased and after a short while he took up the torch of faith and carried it forward. Now you can see how my brother was not the founder of this way of faith, but he clearly was the finder. Those few families in the Reeks region have diminished even further due to age, but nowadays there is little risk to them. Nevertheless, they desire to live in quietness and simplicity and cherish the fact that my brother is secretly carrying forward their faith which began on the shores of Gallilee some 2000 years ago. If you have prevailed with me thus far you will see just how far off course that even the beginning of your article is. I crave desperately that you will publish this letter in order that everyone will know the truth of our sect and put an end to all the controvery and wrong reporting of our group. Yours Faithfully Dorothy Irvine signed professing.proboards.com/thread/15782/missing-link?page=1 Post by CherieKropp on Feb 1, 2014 at 5:13pm
Now that I think about it and did some checking, I see that it was Jason Landless who was so taken in by the Dorothy Irvine story, which was pretty funny to watch--Jason being Mr. Know-it-All! (Sorry again that I accused you Nate!) Thanks for the kind words.professing.proboards.com/search/results?captcha_id=captcha_search&what_at_least_one=Dorthy+william+Irvine+letter&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0&search=Search3/19/20 RAM/Mountain wrote: you/grats have never got over it, okay! The origins of Dorothy had nothing whatsoever to do with trying to substantiate 2x2ism. I was the idiot who came up with Dorothy in a bit of fooling around, which provided a lot of laughs for many and a bit of criticism by some of the 2x2 fraternity when the truth was revealed. If you want to use the account of Dorothy to manufacture more slander against the 2x2 church, let it be known that you will have well and truly replaced me as Board idiot. By a long way. Okay! professing.proboards.com/thread/29631/disgusting-level-deception?page=2
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Post by fixit on Mar 11, 2020 14:08:47 GMT -5
1) Reborn/2x2 wrote: Here is some truth- Fixit/2x2 church elder has his own little AGENDA of OFF-ing people that are his true brothers or sisters in Christ by judging they have incorrect dogma. Speak stands by and says nothing of the murderous spiritual intent there. No true brothers there. This has run parallel in this post pretty much the entire time. I brought it up yesterday because he would like to dispose of those whom he disagrees with. Here in the US this has happened to some, and quite frankly it is ugly. Thankful that my God will not let me go.
2) RoseT. Wrote: Have you looked up some of the old threads yet reborn ? Where nathan called Sunday meetings ....Sunday Trinity Worship meetings !3) STR wrote: Technically they are. The meetings include the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. When they take the bread and wine they are remembering Jesus and worshipping him as their Savior. They thank him for his sacrifice. They sing songs appropriate to worship him for his Redeeming
To not be worshipping Jesus, they would have to forego the bread and wine..EDIT: And it is blasphemy to worship anyone that is not God. So those who worship Jesus with the bread and wine ritual ARE worshipping Jesus. But they don’t believe he is God, so the Bible says not to worship anybody but God. So technically it is blasphemy they are committing for they’re worshipping Jesus and not believing he is God. Is it a sin that’s unforgivable? Of course not, it’s done in ignorance.4) Openingact123 wrote: I think she should look up some of the old threads where a senior worker (probably soon to be overseer) severely denounced fixit. Do you think you know better than a worker? On the other hand, Nathan and Wally have NEVER been condemned by ANY workers on here. They have been wonderful examples of what it means to be professing and the spirit of what I've always found among professing people, while others seek to change God's perfect way in the earth.Now speak/2x2 church elder has also turned against the workers and allied himself with fixit. "Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5.
Apr 10, 2017 at 8:02pm @review005/2x2 worker said: Fixit/2x2 church elder, Hand it to you, you know the Scriptures, that is commendable. Your life and posts cause this Scripture to come to mind: "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Apr 10, 2017 at 9:33pm @review005 said: It wasn't lightly or rashly I made that posting. It is made on the basis of observance and exposure to your postings over a long period of time. It is a sincere and honest statement of how I observe that you live..You love quoting Scripture to others but I am unable to see evidence of you applying it in your own life. Oct 12, 2014 at 11:17am @review005 said: Why do you make thousands of posts over many years online but refuse a sincere genuine offer to meet worker/s whom you describe as 'good' or 'I have no problem with' to discuss your concerns? Or would you meet and discuss with parents who had children live and study in your city and who have spoken to me of their sorrow and disappointment of the influence you had upon their children while they were there? Please don't doubt that they would meet and discuss. No of course you won't...but you'll continue your anonymous daily online posting existence..... your life, your way, your reaping. Oct 12, 2014 at 1:44pm @review005 said: I have told you I am 100% ready to arrange a meeting with these parents. I would not post such unless it is fact. As I said I'm talking about concerns that I did not solicit nor seek for. In sadness they were shared by parents who have a love for the soul of their child. I knew nothing of you in real life or JO/ fixit TMB online life at the time. Apr 11, 2017 at 1:52am @review005 said: I have utmost respect for 99% of our elders. I have little respect for a man who is a smiling obsequious elder on Sunday morning and around the workers. Then takes his tie and suit jacket off, puts on his poster cloak on and posts in the manner that he does here. Yes I consider that to be hypocrisy. My sincere wish is that our kind, merciful and patient Heavenly Father will be able to help him before he gets too much older & beyond it. Dec 23, 2016 at 5:05pm @review005 said: I no longer response to fixit's baiting here; let him do as much as he wishes. Interestingly this 'resident' Sunday morning meeting elder is just the short smiley 'compliant' 'obliging' 'chap with the sisters in his field. no baiting there. Too scared I guess?? Doesn't want to 'spoil his testimony'. It's when he puts his partly anonymous 'fixit' jacket on that he gets a bit of 'dutch courage'! Jun 11, 2015 at 8:54pm @review005 said: Fixit, I suggest you look through the last 150 posts you have made before you cast ad hominem attack stones. Your hypocrisy astounds me! Then the man who has posted over 12000 posts and refuses to address matters in real life makes accusations of me avoiding real issues! That really is the icing on the cake! Now please post again and fire another stone my way. Having the last word will leave you feeling fulfilled and happy. I'll gladly have dialogue and discussion with you if you ever have the moral character and backbone to discuss real issues in real life. Tired of this meaningless TMB online game you play. Oct 22, 2014 at 12:02pm @review005 said: You anonymously post for 20 years bold and often outrageous statements (and yes I can substantiate that also) but refuse to even meet your field workers or Alan (whom you describe as 'good' 'no problem with') to discuss 'concerns' you have. Until the anonymous online persona meets the real life elder persona the confidence crisis will remain for me. Real things get dealt with in real life face to face meetings. When that fails people come to TMB. You refuse to have real life meetings and rather post boldly and anonymously on TMB. This is the cause of my lack of confidence and reason to feel you do little more than play games in coming to TMB. ~~ Is Pragmatic among this group of rebellious elders with fixit, and speak in down under?
Nathan, you have used this thread to store your slander and stupidity. It makes it too easy for you to paste your nonsense into active threads, and I don't know why ADMIN allows you to do this.
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Post by nathan on Mar 11, 2020 14:51:26 GMT -5
IT's records and history. If it wasn't TRUE you don't need to worry about it, FIXIT.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 11, 2020 20:57:52 GMT -5
IT's records and history. If it wasn't TRUE you don't need to worry about it, FIXIT. More BS from nathan !! Of course he doesn't post on here the posts where he is called out for posting "false information". Maybe we should start a thread of all the BS nathan has quoted over the years.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 11, 2020 21:16:19 GMT -5
IT's records and history. If it wasn't TRUE you don't need to worry about it, FIXIT. History according to nathan more like !!! A bit like Jesus lives in Venus according to nathan !
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 12, 2020 0:05:30 GMT -5
IT's records and history. If it wasn't TRUE you don't need to worry about it, FIXIT. More BS from nathan !! Of course he doesn't post on here the posts where he is called out for posting "false information". Maybe we should start a thread of all the BS nathan has quoted over the years. That would make a great book that would sit proud in the comedy section 😁
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Post by nathan on Mar 14, 2020 8:19:04 GMT -5
Mar 14, 2020 curly said: What you are really saying Nathan is that RT and myself and others make you feel uncomfortable when we point out that what you say is rubbish. It is lies and not based on fact. Suck it up and be a big boy. Come clean and admit you have been a gullible fool. Move on. 1) ant-rotten wrote: It is no surprise that the only person who has a problem with RT is yourself. Asking questions is healthy, maybe you should try asking more questions instead of just telling how you think it is all the time.. ~~ NathanB wrote:: NOT only to RT but to anyone like her on TMB...
Cast pearls before swine. Meaning: Offer or show something valuable, good, or beautiful to someone who does not understand its value. If you are casting pearls before swine, you are wasting your time showing or offering something very helpful or valuable to someone who does not understand or appreciate it.What did Jesus mean when He said to not cast your pearls before swine (Matthew 7:6)?
Answer: “Do not cast your pearls before swine” is a portion of the Sermon on the Mount, and, to understand its meaning, we have to understand its context and placement within the sermon. Christ had just finished instructing the crowd on judgment and reproof: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you” (Matthew 7:1–2), and “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:5). Then in verse 6, Christ tempers these admonitions and shows us the difference between “judgment” and “discernment.” We are not to be hypocritical judges, yet we must be able to discern the swine, lest we cast our pearls before them.
Before Jesus says, “Do not cast your pearls before swine,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred.” An analogy mentioning dogs is also used in Proverbs: “As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly” (Proverbs 26:11). A dual reference to swine and dogs is also found in 2 Peter 2:22, “Of [false teachers] the proverbs are true: ‘A dog returns to its vomit,’ and, ‘A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.’” In His sermon, Jesus uses dogs and pigs as representative of those who would ridicule, reject, and blaspheme the gospel once it is presented to them. We are not to expose the gospel of Jesus Christ to those who have no other purpose than to trample it and return to their own evil ways. Repeatedly sharing the gospel with someone who continually scoffs and ridicules Christ is like casting pearls before swine. We can identify such people through discernment, which is given in some measure to all Christians (1 Corinthians 2:15–16).
The command not to cast your pearls before swine does not mean we refrain from preaching the gospel. Jesus Himself ate with and taught sinners and tax collectors (Matthew 9:10). In essence, the instruction in Matthew 7:6 is the same that Jesus gave to His apostles when He said, “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town” (Matthew 10:14). We are to share the gospel, but, when it becomes apparent that the gospel is not welcome, we are to move on. We are responsible to share the good news; we are not responsible for people’s response to the good news. Pigs don’t appreciate pearls, and some people don’t appreciate what Christ has done for them. Our job is not to force conversions or cram the gospel down people’s throats; there’s no sense in preaching the value of pearls to swine. Jesus’ instruction to His apostles on how to handle rejection was to simply go elsewhere. There are other people who need to hear the gospel, and they are ready to hear it.www.gotquestions.org/pearls-before-swine.html
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Post by nathan on Mar 18, 2020 9:25:32 GMT -5
1) Fixit wrote: Who Likes to Read Nathan's Copy and Paste Poll? ~~ NathanB: Yes.... you will get a lot of "yes" votes... they are your cronies for years. Do yo think Review/2x2 senior worker gave us an incorrect report about you? fixit. It seems clearer every day, he is correct.
Apr 10, 2017 at 8:02pm @review005/2x2 worker said: Fixit/2x2 church elder, Hand it to you, you know the Scriptures, that is commendable. Your life and posts cause this Scripture to come to mind: "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Apr 10, 2017 at 9:33pm @review005 said: It wasn't lightly or rashly I made that posting. It is made on the basis of observance and exposure to your postings over a long period of time. It is a sincere and honest statement of how I observe that you live. You love quoting Scripture to others but I am unable to see evidence of you applying it in your own life. Oct 12, 2014 at 11:17am @review005 said: Why do you make thousands of posts over many years online but refuse a sincere genuine offer to meet worker/s whom you describe as 'good' or 'I have no problem with' to discuss your concerns? Or would you meet and discuss with parents who had children live and study in your city and who have spoken to me of their sorrow and disappointment of the influence you had upon their children while they were there? Please don't doubt that they would meet and discuss. No of course you won't...but you'll continue your anonymous daily online posting existence..... your life, your way, your reaping. Oct 12, 2014 at 1:44pm @review005 said: I have told you I am 100% ready to arrange a meeting with these parents. I would not post such unless it is fact. As I said I'm talking about concerns that I did not solicit nor seek for. In sadness they were shared by parents who have a love for the soul of their child. I knew nothing of you in real life or JO/ fixit TMB online life at the time. Apr 11, 2017 at 1:52am @review005 said: I have utmost respect for 99% of our elders. I have little respect for a man who is a smiling obsequious elder on Sunday morning and around the workers. Then takes his tie and suit jacket off, puts on his poster cloak on and posts in the manner that he does here. Yes I consider that to be hypocrisy. My sincere wish is that our kind, merciful and patient Heavenly Father will be able to help him before he gets too much older & beyond it. Dec 23, 2016 at 5:05pm @review005 said: I no longer response to fixit's baiting here; let him do as much as he wishes. Interestingly this 'resident' Sunday morning meeting elder is just the short smiley 'compliant' 'obliging' 'chap with the sisters in his field. no baiting there. Too scared I guess?? Doesn't want to 'spoil his testimony'. It's when he puts his partly anonymous 'fixit' jacket on that he gets a bit of 'dutch courage'! Jun 11, 2015 at 8:54pm @review005 said: Fixit, I suggest you look through the last 150 posts you have made before you cast ad hominem attack stones. Your hypocrisy astounds me! Then the man who has posted over 12000 posts and refuses to address matters in real life makes accusations of me avoiding real issues! That really is the icing on the cake! Now please post again and fire another stone my way. Having the last word will leave you feeling fulfilled and happy. I'll gladly have dialogue and discussion with you if you ever have the moral character and backbone to discuss real issues in real life. Tired of this meaningless TMB online game you play. Oct 22, 2014 at 12:02pm @review005 said: You anonymously post for 20 years bold and often outrageous statements (and yes I can substantiate that also) but refuse to even meet your field workers or Alan (whom you describe as 'good' 'no problem with') to discuss 'concerns' you have. Until the anonymous online persona meets the real life elder persona the confidence crisis will remain for me. Real things get dealt with in real life face to face meetings. When that fails people come to TMB. You refuse to have real life meetings and rather post boldly and anonymously on TMB. This is the cause of my lack of confidence and reason to feel you do little more than play games in coming to TMB.
2) Wally wrote: what kind of elder would start an attack thread I wonder? Fixit, swung first this time around....appalling for one in your position.
3) Jetmech wrote: This looks like a personal attack to me, plus poles are never accurate. You can actually spin a lie with polls. If you don't believe me ... check out this "copy/pasted" link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVKY9alKYtc
Any self-respecting "knotthead" would know your BS poll here is very biased, because the majority of people on this board are atheists and don't like the truth and don't like the bible. If Nathan were to make favorable comments about atheists and provided copy/pasted data, and you ran this poll he would get a majority of YES votes!
Polling is a form of statistics and statistics is NEVER 100% accurate … it can get you close; but, it is never 100% accurate! What you've posted here is a personal attack and attempted smear campaign against my friend Nathan B.! So, go run your 'tripe & drivel game' on someone else .. I'm not buyin' it!
~~ NathanB Wrote: I agree! Jet you and Wally can it clearly.... Fixit... did this kind of poll with the Trinity before to get people on his side to speak against me also. He knows most people on TMB do NOT agree with the Trinity. So, I know most of them likely to agree with his POLL. Yes, it is a personal attack like I mention on my first post and exposed his tactic to the readers.
This give my enemies a good chance to jump on the band wagon to attacks me also! You can read by the replies of their posts on this thread.
~~ mountain said:
It must be recognized that Nathan's copy and pasting is simplification and convenience made possible through many years of hard graft, through and meticulous research, painstakingly and carefully disseminating truth from falsehood, etc., all for the genuine purpose of presenting the often very costly results before us at no expense and with little effort to ourselves. Such high standards are often a magnet for criticism, because we live in a world of debunkers. Every effort was made to debunk the efforts and purpose of Jesus when he was on the Earth. If he had to suffer such, then there is no escape for anyone else. Every archaeolgical or scientific investigation, etc., is sooner or later debunk.
~~ NathanB: Thanks, M. You are correct I put a lot of time and energy, time and efforts in to find, saved it up to share with you all but it seems like casting pearls before the swine like Jesus had experienced when he was on the earth. Like I said from now on! Don't mention any of these things on the main board! If you want to POKE and STAB take it to the sub-board and I will engage any of you with my copy and paste without the complaints of the Moderators or the Admin.
The Admin. has asked me in PM and he KNOWS some of you like to rile me up with certain topics on the main page to get me in trouble. Take it to any of the sub-boards then he has no problem with it.
professing.proboards.com/thread/29679/likes-read-nathans-copy-paste
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 18, 2020 23:34:00 GMT -5
Give it a rest nathan ! You do not represent the F&Ws church, your views are not held by the F&Ws so go start your own church.
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Post by nathan on Mar 19, 2020 1:27:06 GMT -5
Give it a rest nathan ! You do not represent the F&Ws church, your views are not held by the F&Ws so go start your own church. TMB is my own church for over 20 yrs, you didn't know that? I Let them pick and pick for 20 yrs, the more they pick they give me more opportunity to share/post more information.
I give the readers advance courses/classes on the 21st century church history, current events for 20 yrs. It is NOT for the fainted of hearts courses or for beginners.
I am pretty much done now with my classes here on TMB, time to wrap it up and go home/Venus and be with my Savior Christ Jesus and His people. My mission is almost done here on earth, just waiting for the time to go home, I have done my part.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 19, 2020 1:53:21 GMT -5
Give it a rest nathan ! You do not represent the F&Ws church, your views are not held by the F&Ws so go start your own church. TMB is my own church for over 20 yrs, you didn't know that? I Let them pick and pick for 20 yrs, the more they pick they give me more opportunity to share/post more information.
I give the readers advance courses/classes on the 21st century church history, current events for 20 yrs. It is NOT for the fainted of hearts courses or for beginners.
I am pretty much done now with my classes here on TMB, time to wrap it up and go home/Venus and be with my Savior Christ Jesus and His people. My mission is almost done here on earth, just waiting for the time to go home, I have done my part. This post confirms to any F&Ws that you are not a representative of their church nathan ! You have confirmed to them that you are off on "your own tangent" and not part of their church !
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Post by nathan on Mar 21, 2020 11:02:36 GMT -5
3/22/20 Nathan said: Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur? by Allan K. SteelSummary In Job 40, the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called ‘Behemoth’. No known living animal, such as the elephant or hippopotamus, fits the passage adequately. A detailed analysis of the key clause Job 40:17a suggests that the most natural interpretation is that the tail of Behemoth is compared to a cedar for its great size. Consequently, the most reasonable interpretation is that Behemoth was a large animal, now extinct, which had a large tail. Thus some type of extinct dinosaur should still be considered a perfectly reasonable possibility according to our present state of knowledge. creation.com/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur1) Curly wrote: Steel and you are ignoring the FACT that dinosaurs and humans did not co exist. Sixty millions years plus apart.~~ Nathan: Maybe it is you, who is the ignorant here.
Fossil Footprints
Over the years a large number of fossilized human tracks have been reported at various locations around the world. Some of these shed light on the coexistence of men and dinosaurs. The Paluxy River basin in Glen Rose Texas is the location of Dinosaur Valley State Park. Many dinosaur tracks have been found along the river and a large number have been excavated to preserve them from erosion. But there have also been human tracks found in this same rock layer. To the right is the Willet print, which was excavated from a limestone ledge near Dinosaur Valley State Park. Below to the left is the Feminine Print, a “human track inside a dinosaur track,” that was found in the Paluxy River area of Glen Rose, Texas. In the center is the Delk Print, which shows a human footprint intruded by a tridactyl dinosaur print. The Delk Track has been authenticated by spiral CT scan, which can verify that there is greater compression density below the tracks then elsewhere in the rock. The right picture shows what are called “following contours” revealed by the CT scan. These would not be there if the track was carved. These Paluxy “man-tracks alongside dinosaur-tracks” have been the source of considerable controversy over the years. www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/footprints/www.bing.com/images/search?q=footprints+of+men+alongside+with+dinosaurs&qpvt=footprints+of+men+along+side+with+dinosaurs&form=IGRE&first=1&cw=1117&ch=543Dinosaurs footprints found in Australia www.bing.com/images/search?q=dinosaur+footprints+australia&FORM=IRMHEPDinosaurs bones found in Alaska
www.bing.com/images/search?q=Dinosaur+Bones+in+Alaska&FORM=RESTAB
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Post by fixit on Mar 21, 2020 14:45:34 GMT -5
3/22/20 Nathan said: Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur? by Allan K. SteelSummary In Job 40, the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called ‘Behemoth’. No known living animal, such as the elephant or hippopotamus, fits the passage adequately. A detailed analysis of the key clause Job 40:17a suggests that the most natural interpretation is that the tail of Behemoth is compared to a cedar for its great size. Consequently, the most reasonable interpretation is that Behemoth was a large animal, now extinct, which had a large tail. Thus some type of extinct dinosaur should still be considered a perfectly reasonable possibility according to our present state of knowledge. creation.com/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur1) Curly wrote: Steel and you are ignoring the FACT that dinosaurs and humans did not co exist. Sixty millions years plus apart.~~ Nathan: Maybe it is you, who is the ignorant here.
Fossil Footprints
Over the years a large number of fossilized human tracks have been reported at various locations around the world. Some of these shed light on the coexistence of men and dinosaurs. The Paluxy River basin in Glen Rose Texas is the location of Dinosaur Valley State Park. Many dinosaur tracks have been found along the river and a large number have been excavated to preserve them from erosion. But there have also been human tracks found in this same rock layer. To the right is the Willet print, which was excavated from a limestone ledge near Dinosaur Valley State Park. Below to the left is the Feminine Print, a “human track inside a dinosaur track,” that was found in the Paluxy River area of Glen Rose, Texas. In the center is the Delk Print, which shows a human footprint intruded by a tridactyl dinosaur print. The Delk Track has been authenticated by spiral CT scan, which can verify that there is greater compression density below the tracks then elsewhere in the rock. The right picture shows what are called “following contours” revealed by the CT scan. These would not be there if the track was carved. These Paluxy “man-tracks alongside dinosaur-tracks” have been the source of considerable controversy over the years. www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/footprints/www.bing.com/images/search?q=footprints+of+men+alongside+with+dinosaurs&qpvt=footprints+of+men+along+side+with+dinosaurs&form=IGRE&first=1&cw=1117&ch=543Dinosaurs footprints found in Australia www.bing.com/images/search?q=dinosaur+footprints+australia&FORM=IRMHEPDinosaurs bones found in Alaska
www.bing.com/images/search?q=Dinosaur+Bones+in+Alaska&FORM=RESTABThis is a great example of Nathan-style research. 1. Decide what you want to prove. 2. Do some quick Bing searches. 3. Paste the resulting proof into the TMB thread. professing.proboards.com/thread/29619/asteroid-13-000-years-ago?page=64. Last but not least - add this newfound wisdom to Nathan's knowledge base (links are at the footer of all Nathan's posts).
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 21, 2020 18:39:20 GMT -5
3/22/20 Nathan said: Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur? by Allan K. SteelSummary In Job 40, the Lord is infallibly describing a real historical creature, called ‘Behemoth’. No known living animal, such as the elephant or hippopotamus, fits the passage adequately. A detailed analysis of the key clause Job 40:17a suggests that the most natural interpretation is that the tail of Behemoth is compared to a cedar for its great size. Consequently, the most reasonable interpretation is that Behemoth was a large animal, now extinct, which had a large tail. Thus some type of extinct dinosaur should still be considered a perfectly reasonable possibility according to our present state of knowledge. creation.com/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur1) Curly wrote: Steel and you are ignoring the FACT that dinosaurs and humans did not co exist. Sixty millions years plus apart.~~ Nathan: Maybe it is you, who is the ignorant here.
Fossil Footprints
Over the years a large number of fossilized human tracks have been reported at various locations around the world. Some of these shed light on the coexistence of men and dinosaurs. The Paluxy River basin in Glen Rose Texas is the location of Dinosaur Valley State Park. Many dinosaur tracks have been found along the river and a large number have been excavated to preserve them from erosion. But there have also been human tracks found in this same rock layer. To the right is the Willet print, which was excavated from a limestone ledge near Dinosaur Valley State Park. Below to the left is the Feminine Print, a “human track inside a dinosaur track,” that was found in the Paluxy River area of Glen Rose, Texas. In the center is the Delk Print, which shows a human footprint intruded by a tridactyl dinosaur print. The Delk Track has been authenticated by spiral CT scan, which can verify that there is greater compression density below the tracks then elsewhere in the rock. The right picture shows what are called “following contours” revealed by the CT scan. These would not be there if the track was carved. These Paluxy “man-tracks alongside dinosaur-tracks” have been the source of considerable controversy over the years. www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/footprints/www.bing.com/images/search?q=footprints+of+men+alongside+with+dinosaurs&qpvt=footprints+of+men+along+side+with+dinosaurs&form=IGRE&first=1&cw=1117&ch=543Dinosaurs footprints found in Australia www.bing.com/images/search?q=dinosaur+footprints+australia&FORM=IRMHEPDinosaurs bones found in Alaska
www.bing.com/images/search?q=Dinosaur+Bones+in+Alaska&FORM=RESTABThis is a great example of Nathan-style research. 1. Decide what you want to prove. 2. Do some quick Bing searches. 3. Paste the resulting proof into the TMB thread. professing.proboards.com/thread/29619/asteroid-13-000-years-ago?page=64. Last but not least - add this newfound wisdom to Nathan's knowledge base (links are at the footer of all Nathan's posts). So true fixit !! But he picks and chooses what he posts here ....can't have himself looking bad ! I don't know who he thinks will ever want to read all his posts other than those on here !
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Post by fixit on Mar 21, 2020 19:32:55 GMT -5
So true fixit !! But he picks and chooses what he posts here ....can't have himself looking bad ! I don't know who he thinks will ever want to read all his posts other than those on here ! I think he uses it as a repository to copy and paste from.
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 11:02:10 GMT -5
1) Gill wrote: If the workers haven't "consecrated" the home, you are not supposed to partake of the emblems. Where do they get that idea from? What scripture? Jesus has promised to meet with 2 or 3 who meet in his name. People in the bible had fellowship in various places...deserts, markets, synagogues, by the seaside, etc.. However, some workers are OK with people meeting together to worship as long as the emblems aren't in a home that hasn't been approved of by a worker.
~~ Nathan: Read Acts 14:21-23 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
Here are some of the qualification for church elders/bishops and back up elders.
Paul wrote to Timothy: I Tim 3:1-16 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Paul wrote to Titus 5-9 For this cause left I thee/Titus in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Read III John 9-12
I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. Demetrius hath good report of all men, and of the truth itself: yea, and we also bear record; and ye know that our record is true.
~~ Does this sound familiar in Alberta and Vietnam Excommunication. Both sides 2x2s ministry and exes were at faults. They fell into Satan's snares, traps fighting among themselves.
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 11:12:02 GMT -5
1) Cherie K. posted 3/22/20 Coronavirus is redefining the words "church" & "worship" www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2020/03/22/coronavirus-is-redefining-the-words-church-and-worship/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Faith+amid+coronavirus&utm_campaign=LivingOurFaith_03222020~~ Nathan: Many of these deadly contagious viruses will be with us for a long, long time. I believe the overseers must start thinking to have an official 2x2 website this way they can reach millions, billions of people with the gospel message in their homes for safety or something like TMB where people can come and ask questions. The workers can post their sermons, teachings and belief, statement of Faith like the Vaudois/Waldenses and many churches have done.
People are hardly coming to the gospel meetings anymore, the workers must change their ways of reaching the millions and billions around the globe. Jesus said let your light so shine before men! Don't hide your light under the bed. A History of the Christian Church by William Jones first edition 1812 Chapter 5--section 3.
A view of doctrinal sentiments and religious practices of the Waldenses, collected from their own writings. Their historian, John Paul Perrin, in his "Histoitre des Vaudois," published at Geneva in 1619, has furnished us with two of their "Confessions of Faith," of which the following are faithful translations. Sir Samuel Morland has fixed the date of the first of them in the Year 1120 A.D. [Morland's History of the Churches of Peidmont, Page. 30] The Confession of Faith of the Waldenses (A.D.1120)
1. We believe and firmly maintain all that is contained in the twelve articles of the symbol, commonly called the Apostles' Creed, and we regard as heretical whatever is inconsistent with the said twelve articles. 2. We believe that there is One Godhead, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
3. We acknowledge for sacred canonical scriptures the books of the Holy Bible. 4. The books above mentioned teach us---that that there is ONE GOD, almighty, unbounded in the wisdom, in infinite in goodness, and who, in his goodness, has made all things. For he created Adam after his own image and likeness. But through the enmity of the devil, and his own disobedience, Adam fell, sin entered into the world, and we became transgressors in and by Adam. 6. That at the time appointed of the Father, Christ was born a time when iniquity everywhere abounded, to make it manifest that it was not for the sake of any good in ourselves, for all were sinners, but that He, who is true, might display his grace and mercy toward us. 7. That Christ is our life, and truth, and peace, and righteousness---our shepherd and advocate, our sacrifice and priest, who died for the salvation of all who should believe, and rose again for justification.
8. And we also firmly believe, that there in NO other mediator, or advocate with God the Father, but Jesus Christ. And as to the Virgin Mary, she was holy, humble, and full of grace; and this we also believe concerning all others Saints, namely, that they are waiting in heaven for the resurrection of their bodies at the Day of Judgment. 9. We also believe, that after this life, there are but two places---One for those who are Saved, and other for the Damned, which [two] we call paradise and hell, wholly denying Purgatory of Antichrist, invented in opposition to the truth.
10. Moreover, we have ever regarded all the inventions of men (in the affairs of religion) as an unspeakable abomination before God; such as the festivals days, and vigils of Saints, and what is called holy-water, the abstaining from flesh on certain days, and such like things, but above all, the Masses. 11. We hold in abhorrence all human inventions, as proceeding from Antichrist, which produce distress [alluding probably to the voluntary penances and mortification imposed by the Catholics on themselves] and are prejudicial to the liberty of the mind. 12. We consider the Sacraments as signs of holy things, or as the visible emblems of invisible blessings. We regard it as proper and even necessary that believers use these symbols or visible forms when it can be done. Notwithstanding which, we maintain that believers may be saved without these signs, when they have neither place nor opportunity of observing them. 13. We acknowledge No sacraments (as of divine appointment) but Baptism and the Lord's supper.
14. We honor the secular powers, with subjection, obedience, promptitude, and payment. [Perrin's Hist. des Vaudois. Ch.12] Masses are impious; and it is madness to say masses for the dead. Purgatory is the invention of men, for they who believe go into eternal life, they who believe not, into eternal damnation. The invoking and worshiping of dead saints is idolatry. 2) Chuck wrote: After bashing the evil internet this would be a bitter pill to swallow to have to rely on it. And I highly doubt they would open themselves to full on public scrutiny. It would be the death of the 2x2's as we know it. ~~ Nathan: Time is changing fast, learn how to roll with the punches! Swallow their PRIDE... Like the ministry swallowed their pride and now they have guideline for the ministry/workers to follow and obey the CSA regulation and they MUST report cases to the authority no longer sweeping under the carpet or try to deal CSA on their own like they had done in the past.
For a few years, some senior workers said using the microphone at conventions is evil, but what happen now almost every convention use it. Like with the Internet! Oh, it's one of Satan's tools, NOW, most of the workers around the world have laptops, iPhone, and use the Internet every day! TRUTH always triumph over darkness! Truth has nothing to be afraid or fear of darkness. God will win the War against Satan at the end.
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Post by nathan on Mar 22, 2020 11:20:06 GMT -5
1) Gill wrote: If the workers haven't "consecrated" the home, you are not supposed to partake of the emblems. Where do they get that idea from? What scripture? Jesus has promised to meet with 2 or 3 who meet in his name. People in the bible had fellowship in various places...deserts, markets, synagogues, by the seaside, etc.. However, some workers are OK with people meeting together to worship as long as the emblems aren't in a home that hasn't been approved of by a worker. ~~ Nathan: Read Acts 14:21-23 And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and to Iconium, and Antioch, Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.Here are some of the qualification for church elders/bishops and back up elders.
Paul wrote to Timothy: I Tim 3:1-16 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. Paul wrote to Titus 5-9 For this cause left I thee/Titus in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. Read III John 9-12 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. Demetrius hath good report of all men, and of the truth itself: yea, and we also bear record; and ye know that our record is true. ~~ Does this sound familiar in Alberta and Vietnam Excommunication. Both sides 2x2s ministry and exes were at faults. They fell into Satan's snares, traps making them fighting among themselves which led up to excommunication.
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Post by nathan on Mar 27, 2020 14:24:36 GMT -5
David Wilcox on Corona virus started in Chinese lab in 2009 with U.S. help to Depopulation= Population control and thinning the herd. www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Dmr4hX2xwREAD U.N. Agenda 21. Here are many information what U.N. Agenda 21 is all about. Read, listen and learn folks! Start to listen at 6:40... What is U.N. Agenda21, it began in 1968 in Rome, Vatican. Depopulation/Population control or thinning the herd of 8 Billions people on earth. ONE world government! deadly Viruses to be released into the world= Corona19, AIDS, Ebola, MERS, and all kinds of flu that killed 61,000 people alone in 2019. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Agenda+21&view=detail&mid=F31DC4E07EE40ADB4864F31DC4E07EE40ADB4864&FORM=VIREThis Corona Virus is here to stay and it will mutate itself to more deadlier strains of Virus down the road... Last year in USA 61,000 people died from the regular flu alone. Thinning the herd! Read Agenda21
Health and Science
Johns Hopkins doctor says new coronavirus is here to stay, expects ‘seasonal’ outbreaks Published Tue, Feb 4 2020 Johns Hopkins senior scholar Dr. Amesh Adalja said the new coronavirus will likely cause yearly outbreaks, with most of the cases being mild. “Many people are going to get mild illness and it’s going to be more like a flu-like illness for many people but for some it may be very severe,” he said. Adalja compared the new coronavirus to the H1N1 swine flu outbreak that hit in 2009. www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/johns-hopkins-dr-amesh-adalja-says-new-coronavirus-is-here-to-stay.htmlEven still, high early-season vaccination rates and a relatively effective annual vaccine appeared to help suppress illnesses. In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died.
That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/'Vaccines won't work': US virologist breaks down COVID-19, how to curb spread www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVBc7-Te_yABoosting Your Immune System Against Coronavirus | NBC News NOW www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSVqpWkoK30Evidence that coronavirus originated at Chinese lab is 'inconclusive,' top general says
The top U.S. general said evidence that the coronavirus originated at a Chinese research lab is "inconclusive," following a report that U.S. officials warned of safety concerns at a research facility in the city of Wuhan two years ago. "We've had a lot of intelligence take a hard look at that," Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley told reporters today. "At this point it's inconclusive, although the weight of the evidence seems to indicate natural. But we don’t know for certain." www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/evidence-that-coronavirus-originated-at-chinese-lab-is-inconclusive-top-general-says/ar-BB12DazR?ocid=spartanntp~~ Dr. Francis Boyle - Coronavirus is a Bioweapon 2/26/20. Many deadly viruses are man-made in the lab. CDC and Pharm. companies are in business with them to come up with the vaccines to make trillions of dollars from the population and Population control/Thinning the herd. Must listen! 22 minutes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVtlknjTgXk~~ Inside The US Government's Top-Secret Bioweapons Lab. It's an eye opener! history of these labs. It's an eye opener! history of these labs.
1,180,621 views• Oct 4, 2019 www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1GnYs4LOc0XNA wrote: But then they tried to make the case it came from the Wuhan P4 lab where several repeated it must be synthetic lab based as it was "100% similar" to the P4 lab virus. Saying Covid-19 is "100% similar" has no convincing power. You and your house cat are "100% similar" as you share 90 percent of the same DNA. RNA viruses can mutate about every 2 weeks, but Covid-19 has a lower than normal mutation rate. Last I heard about 18 different Covid-19 variants currently circulating in the United States.
In the last 10 minutes or so it becomes clear it's a propaganda film against China. No doubt the USA, China and many other governments have biological weapons labs or dual use labs. It's possible it was a biological virus that got away, but as far as I know there is no convincing evidence of where or how it started. ~~ Nathan: The U.S. Army Biological Warfare Laboratories (USBWL) were a suite of research laboratories and pilot plant centers operating at Camp (later Fort) Detrick, Maryland, United States beginning in 1943 under the control of the U.S. Army Chemical Corps Research and Development Command. The USBWL undertook pioneering research and development into biocontainment, decontamination, gaseous sterilization, and agent production and purification for the U.S. offensive and defensive biological warfare program.Here are many biological labs locations and the kinds of Viruses they have been tested.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Biological_Warfare_Laboratories~~ Nathan: I have been studying and checking these things out for 10 yrs and I have tried to warn and educate people on TMB. Many of you are resisting the information every which way because you believe it conspiracies theories.
Satan is harvesting souls of men and women through death so, they have no time or chance to Repent of their sins by accepting Jesus Christ as their Savior. Satan KNOWS his time is short before Jesus returns... Satan and his Illuminati are slaughtering people left and right with cancer, diseases, natural disasters and so on. They are speeding UP! the death process! in a rapid speed with disease within 4 months over 2,000,000 people world wide are infected with the Corona Virus and 150,000 have died from it.
Death seals ALL choices, there is NO Second Chance to REPENT of sins, after death has taken place. Satan wants people to THINK and BELIEVE as conspiracy theories and he doesn't exist! and there is NO God or God is DEAD.
There is a deep and darker agenda behind Agenda21. Corona Virus is NOT conspiracy theory! is one of the facts, we see the results one of thousands U.N. Agenda21 methods. This is NOTHING! Their agenda21 list is a very long in how they are going to depopulation or Population control with all kinds of methods. Cancer, diseases, water, air pollution, poison the air, and modified our food supplies, Nuclear meltdown power plants/radiation released in the ocean and in the air.
We are living in Satan's kingdom of this world, he is the god of this planet. Satan is like the Pharaoh of Egypt and we are his slaves. He uses all of us to built his earthly kingdom on earth. Our souls belong to him. Jesus said, "Ye must be BORN AGAIN! to enter the kingdom of God." Satan doesn't any human to get out of this earth alive/born again... Satan and his evil children on earth will do all they can to use as slaves to build his earthly empire and then killed us with all kinds of cancer, Viruses before our time so, none will be born again to enter the kingdom of God through believing in Christ Jesus as our Redeemer and Savior.Global warming is the mainly human-caused (Illuminati the elite or rulers of this planet) rise of the average temperature of the Earth's climate system and has been demonstrated by direct temperature measurements and by measurements of various effects of the warming.[5] It is a major aspect of climate change which, in addition to rising global surface temperatures,[6] also includes its effects, such as changes in precipitation.[7] While there have been prehistoric periods of global warming,[8] observed changes since the mid-20th century have been unprecedented in rate and scale.[9]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warmingThe Truth About Climate Change www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZsypNge7J4
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2020 20:11:54 GMT -5
David Wilcox is a nutcase Nathan. He is a conspiracy theorist. He isn't an expert on anything.
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Post by nathan on Mar 27, 2020 21:14:02 GMT -5
David Wilcox is a nutcase Nathan. He is a conspiracy theorist. He isn't an expert on anything. I have studied David Wilcox for 5 years, and have listened to many of his theories lectures and his findings. I have checked with others whistle blowers, and his peers theorists and they agree with him, and he has many enemies, gov't dis-informers agents on the Internet to take him down out there. You are entitled to believe whatever you want about him.
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Post by snow on Mar 27, 2020 21:26:11 GMT -5
David Wilcox is a nutcase Nathan. He is a conspiracy theorist. He isn't an expert on anything. I have studied David Wilcox for 5 years, and have listened to many of his theories lectures and his findings. I have checked with others whistle blowers, and his peers theorists and they agree with him, and he has many enemies, gov't dis-informers agents on the Internet to take him down out there. You are entitled to believe whatever you want about him.Yes I am. And so are you. It's important to make sure that the readers also hear two different views on the subject. But I would like to hear how what you think about those who are supposed to be part of those 'thinning the herd' testing positive themselves. And, how are these people that are supposedly thinning the herd keeping from getting it themselves? The virus jumped species and within 2 weeks mutated again in the new human host. It has continued to mutate so fast that it is so hard to pin down a vaccine is a big challenge. So how are these 'people' going to keep it from infecting them?
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