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Post by Grant on Feb 8, 2020 2:55:22 GMT -5
I think you've confessed that you are no longer in fellowship with the friends and workers. Are you really going to meet with them tomorrow Nathan? Is it fellowship when one believes that those they fellowship with are blasphemers and the anti Christ and their testimonies garbage in, garbage out? That's not fellowship to me. Here is a good church you might like to consider. They even have their own Bible. Don't think they believe in the Trinity but they do believe in flying monsters. Just joking Nathan. Take a deep breath and lighten up. We care about you. Flying Spaghetti Monster - Wikipedia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster |
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Post by fixit on Feb 8, 2020 2:56:11 GMT -5
If the RCC had taken out Arius and his anti-Christ and Jesus is NOT God followers back then in the beginning! they wouldn't be corrupt other people minds through the centuries. It's sad that trinitarians are so insecure that they resort to murder to protect their precious dogma. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 2:56:25 GMT -5
Everything Changes With Time.
By PD Rivers
The longer I live the more I realize that things are always changing around us; whether or not we want to admit it. We don’t like change. It must be in our genetic makeup to want to keep things like they are. Even my five year old grandson hates change. It’s just normal.
If you are a religious person you might have more trouble accepting change. It doesn’t matter what religion you follow. If you truly believe in the tenants of it, you don’t want anything to change what you have always been taught. Unfortunately, even religions have a way of changing. We shouldn’t expect things to stay the way they are; not even there. The Catholic Church is a great denier of change. They really would like for things to still be done the way they were during Constantine’s time. There was great grumbling and dissention when the mass began to be said in English and other languages instead of in Latin which hardly anyone studies anymore. The common people, it was believed, did not really need to be able to read and understand the words of God or his people, they were just supposed to listen to the priest and do what he said. The big problem with that was that some of the priests couldn’t really be trusted not to translate the words of God so that they said what was beneficial to them.
Then there was the sale of indulgences. It wasn’t bad enough that people had to worry about going to Purgatory and then Hell; now they had to worry about finding enough money to pay the priest off so that they wouldn’t go there; or maybe not just stay there as long.
Women in the Catholic Church have always been subservient; lesser than men. It didn’t seem to matter to the creators of the Christian religion and their landmark church that the person the religion was supposed to be based on regarded men and women as equals. In fact, they chose to over look this fact altogether. This is one of the changes that will probably never happen in the Catholic Church. They will never let a woman become a priest or serve the sacraments. That’s pretty extraordinary when you consider that multiple women traveled with Jesus during his ministry and helped him serve the people who listen to him. They were also among the group of disciples that were challenged to go into all the world and teach the people. They were given the same rights and abilities as the men disciples. I guess they just thought that was unimportant.
It has also served the Catholic Church to keep their priests celibate. I think they would be better served to be as other versions of the Christian religion and let their leaders marry. The rule hasn’t stopped the men who act as the Church fathers from having women in their lives or even fathering children. It is historical fact that some former Popes in history have had large families. No one seemed to care (except maybe the woman who couldn’t be married to the man she had her family with). There have been terrible scandals with abuse of young boys in the Catholic Church but the great ones in charge have managed to keep it quiet or hide the evidence whenever possible. Perhaps if open liaisons were possible there would be no abuse. Did Jesus or God say that the priests of the church had to be celibate? NO.
There is no place in the Bible that mandates those in God’s service to deny themselves marriage or family. But that as well as the ban on women being priests works well to keep things from changing in a large corporation where the male in charge doesn’t have to worry about his underlings acting against him.
Change is not acceptable in other religions either. Those of us here are supposed to accept that the interpretation and directions of the people in charge are right. If the religion uses its holy words to teach that women are less than men; accept it. If it teaches war against unbelievers; accept it. If it teaches don’t eat meat; accept it. We are not supposed to question or expect change.
I don’t much like change; I have said that before. There are some things that really need to be changed and maybe; just maybe; we should consider it and not hide behind ancient ways.
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Post by nathan on Feb 8, 2020 2:58:08 GMT -5
Trinity is not mentioned on that page Nathan.
Elizabeth coleman said: 9/1/2015 This might do a few heads in: I have this from a recent convention attendee... "Barry Barkley (Overseer of overseers in the east coast of USA) emphasized that Jesus was fully God but came to earth to become human to enable the lowly sinners such as ourselves to be justified through Him and be with Him in heaven. Barry spoke of the relationship between "God the Father and God the Son." He tied Psalm 22 -- the prophesied words and experience of Jesus -- with passages in the New Testament. These thoughts, perhaps, are nothing "new" to the Bible-believing Christian, but I appreciated the spirit and illumination with which Barry presented elements of our hope in the gospel -- and our need and joyous privilege to make Christ the focal point of all our living."
1) Elizabeth C. wrote: If you now have workers talking this way about God the Son, and Jesus being fully God, where does that leave F&W who strenuously oppose these "doctrines"?
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 8, 2020 2:58:40 GMT -5
If the RCC had taken out Arius and his anti-Christ and Jesus is NOT God followers back then in the beginning! they wouldn't be corrupt other people minds through the centuries. It's sad that trinitarians are so insecure that they resort to murder to protect their precious dogma. Yes it is fixit. |
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Post by nathan on Feb 8, 2020 3:03:07 GMT -5
It's sad that trinitarians are so insecure that they resort to murder to protect their precious dogma. Yes it is fixit . they would have included the last verse of "Our blest Redeemer" in the first Go-Preachers hymn book of 1909. First and last verses of the hymn: 1 Our blest Redeemer, ere He breathed His tender, last farewell, A Guide, a Comforter bequeathed With us to dwell. 6 O praise the Father; praise the Son: Blest Spirit, praise to Thee:
All praise to God, the three in One,
The One in Thee.
If most of them didn't believe in the Trinity in 1951 the "Cease not to praise God would not have been included". But between 1951 belief in God as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit diminished as the early workers died out and by 1987 the vast , vast majority had elevated Jesus' humanity at the expense of His divinity."Cease not to praise God" was dumped and "Christ, my God" was changed to "Christ, my Lord" in the hymn we know well. And not surprisingly from the mid 1980's the group has been in serious decline - people are not only leaving because of major deceitfulness over the history of the group but because of poor doctrine. While the early workers differentiated themselves from established churches and ministers on Matt 10, the claim to apostleship, baptism, "Jesus was a common man" they accepted core Christian doctrine including the Trinity. There was absolutely no issue with it. When these leaders died out and were replaced by others, belief in the one God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit was gradually abandoned, as evidenced by the change in hymns between the 1951 and 1987 books.Barry Barkley is clearly trying to address this issue. If the 2x2 church can't get basic doctrine right on who Jesus is, there is not much hope for it in my opinion.
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Post by fixit on Feb 8, 2020 3:28:13 GMT -5
1) RossB wrote: Nate - if the first workers didn't believe in the Trinity there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they would have included the last verse of "Our blest Redeemer" in the first Go-Preachers hymn book of 1909. First and last verses of the hymn: 1 Our blest Redeemer, ere He breathed His tender, last farewell, A Guide, a Comforter bequeathed With us to dwell. 6 O praise the Father; praise the Son: Blest Spirit, praise to Thee:
All praise to God, the three in One,
The One in Thee.It looks like trinitarians have messed with that hymn to add their pervasive dogma. The following looks like the original... 1 Our blest Redeemer ere He breathed His tender last farewell, A guide, a comforter, bequeathed With us to dwell. 2 He came sweet influence to impart, A gracious, willing guest, While He can find one humble heart Wherein to rest. 3 And His that gentle voice we hear, Soft as the breath of even, That checks each fault, that calms each fear With peace of heav’n. 4 And every virtue we possess, And every victory won, And every thought of holiness, Are His alone. 5 Lord, in Thy purity and grace, Our weakness pitying see; Oh, make our heart Thy dwelling place, And worthier Thee. www.hymnal.net/en/hymn/h/247
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Post by fixit on Feb 8, 2020 4:00:11 GMT -5
~~NathanB: Wow!... Bary Barkley is the overseer of the overseers in the east coast of USA. He is NOT a rookie worker! RossB wrote: "Cease not to praise God" was dumped and "Christ, my God" was changed to "Christ, my Lord" in the hymn we know well. And not surprisingly from the mid 1980's the group has been in serious decline - people are not only leaving because of major deceitfulness over the history of the group but because of poor doctrine. Barry Barkley is clearly trying to address this issue. If the 2x2 church can't get basic doctrine right on who Jesus is, there is not much hope for it in my opinion. If the lack of trinitarian teaching is a major cause of serious decline, has the decline been stemmed in Barry Barkley's area? |
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Post by mountain on Feb 8, 2020 4:59:57 GMT -5
So everything was created(HEAVEN EARTH, INVISIBLE, VISIBLE, THRONES, by the way you realise Paul is saying the throne that God sits on was created through Christ!,POWERS)through Jesus, a mere man/women just like you or me before ALL things. No wonder you think we can work our way to heaven. You realise what ALL means?. Where does it say that Christ created ALL things? God created ALL things through his plan for Jesus, long before Jesus was born. Jesus was God's focus in his planning. Read things a bit more carefully. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 8, 2020 5:00:38 GMT -5
Take time to read the Bible properly. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 8, 2020 5:02:53 GMT -5
Exactly you are a minority within your church! And why just say it here, why not say it to the workers and the friends and elders that you have fellowship with in your everyday life and at conventions? Nathan, do you sit though conventions and meetings etc. when they are preaching that Jesus isn't God, whilst the whole time you think what they are saying is antichrist and blasphemy? Do you realise how bad that is? he won't say anything to the Workers or friends about his belief because he knows what the response will be. He talks as if he knows all about what the early Workers taught but in reality he is a "newcomer". Roselyn, you know where the common sense room is. There are still plenty of empty seats down there. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 8, 2020 5:16:58 GMT -5
No Nathan, you are not letting God do it. You are wanting the RCC and others to do what you have in your heart. Murder! Do you realise you are speaking about your own workers? Many of those you have fellowship with! How can you even think like that? He has to be right at any cost maryhig !! I agree with you and do not understand why nathan goes to the 2x2 church if the Trinity doctrine is so important to him. I am growing more disillusioned with Nathan by the day. My fervent support for him, despite our differences, is on the wane. I was learning so much from him about Hitler and the NAZIS too. I think Nathan has a fascination for Adolf's trinity...... Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer! That for me says it all. Das Deutsche Reich ist in Wirklichkeit eine Dreifaltigkeit nach römisch-katholischem Vorbild. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer, alle repräsentieren den Reichsgott. Drei separate Komponenten bilden das Vaterland oder den Vater. Das deutsche Volk, das deutsche Reich und der Reichsführer. Alle drei sind eins und alle sind gleich. Das eine ist jedoch nicht das andere, aber alle sind Teil des Vaterlandes. Wir können keinen ohne die anderen haben, aber der Führer ist derjenige, der uns als einen bindet.Obergefreiter Hans Zitover 22nd May 1938 at a Press Rally in Hamburg town square. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 8, 2020 5:18:36 GMT -5
Perhaps you could say it in a nicer way on TMB! Blinking heck Nathan. Twenty years? These gloves must be well worn out? |
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Post by mountain on Feb 8, 2020 5:29:19 GMT -5
If the RCC had taken out Arius and his anti-Christ and Jesus is NOT God followers back then in the beginning! they wouldn't be corrupt other people minds through the centuries. Arius anti-Christ influence is creeping back and it has gotten a BIG foothold on the 2x2 workers 75 yrs ago... Now, the 2x2s is consider a Cult and Anti-Christ 2x2s group along with the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, and Cooneyites or what left of them.
And they said Jesus was a devil but he wasn't! I can't believe you, never mind your workers being antichrist in their beliefs. You are the one being antichrist, having a murderous heart. I'm so shocked at what you're coming out with. It's disgusting!I'm sorry Maryhig, I must strongly disagree with you with regards to the above. What Nathan has been posting of late is nowhere near as nice as that! |
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Post by Annan on Feb 8, 2020 7:32:50 GMT -5
Lord of Darkness hear my plea.
The spell below on Nathan please.
I tie your fingers in a knot.
You cannot type or wipe your snot.
You cannot post, no not word.
You cannot see, your eyes are blurred.
For a year... make that a day.
That Nathan cannot work or play.
So mote it be!
Worth a try. You never know.  What if it backfires ? From all the posts since I went to bed last night, obviously it did! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 8:44:52 GMT -5
*** You atheists and WITCHES will find out soon or later when My God and Savior returns as KING of kings and LORD of Lords on the earth to establish His eternal kingdom with His people/believers.
The spell below on Nathan please.
I tie your fingers in a knot.
You cannot type or wipe your snot.
You cannot post, no not word.
You cannot see, your eyes are blurred.
For a year... make that a day.
That Nathan cannot work or play.
So mote it be!
Worth a try. You never know. both pathetic and hilarious... |
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Post by chuck on Feb 8, 2020 8:51:19 GMT -5
So everything was created(HEAVEN EARTH, INVISIBLE, VISIBLE, THRONES, by the way you realise Paul is saying the throne that God sits on was created through Christ!,POWERS)through Jesus, a mere man/women just like you or me before ALL things. No wonder you think we can work our way to heaven. You realise what ALL means?. Where does it say that Christ created ALL things? God created ALL things through his plan for Jesus, long before Jesus was born. Jesus was God's focus in his planning. Read things a bit more carefully. Colossians 1 Refutes everything you just said. More word salad. |
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Post by chuck on Feb 8, 2020 8:57:50 GMT -5
"No they dont mean he is God",  ? That is the accusation so how could they not mean it?. The Son of God is a claim/announcement of deity. Can you be the Son of God?, if not why not? Because the Son of God is Divine!, He is the manifestation of God in the flesh, He is God!. He is the creator of ALL things!. What I mean is that he clearly said he is the son of God, and they twisted what he said to make out that he was blaspheming, saying he was making himself God to have him murdered. He was saying he was God, their accusations were true, they just didn't beleive him. Claiming Deity got him killed by unbeleivers. |
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Post by nathan on Feb 8, 2020 9:46:19 GMT -5
~~NathanB: Wow!... Bary Barkley is the overseer of the overseers in the east coast of USA. He is NOT a rookie worker! RossB wrote: "Cease not to praise God" was dumped and "Christ, my God" was changed to "Christ, my Lord" in the hymn we know well. And not surprisingly from the mid 1980's the group has been in serious decline - people are not only leaving because of major deceitfulness over the history of the group but because of poor doctrine. Barry Barkley is clearly trying to address this issue. If the 2x2 church can't get basic doctrine right on who Jesus is, there is not much hope for it in my opinion. If the lack of trinitarian teaching is a major cause of serious decline, has the decline been stemmed in Barry Barkley's area?
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Post by mountain on Feb 8, 2020 9:50:57 GMT -5
Where does it say that Christ created ALL things? God created ALL things through his plan for Jesus, long before Jesus was born. Jesus was God's focus in his planning. Read things a bit more carefully. Colossians 1 Refutes everything you just said. More word salad. I would appreciate it if you quoted the relevant passages and gave your own understanding of what they mean, when you are making such retorts without commitment. Otherwise your statements will be regarded as mere attempts at distracting from the truth. |
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Post by mountain on Feb 8, 2020 9:53:11 GMT -5
What I mean is that he clearly said he is the son of God, and they twisted what he said to make out that he was blaspheming, saying he was making himself God to have him murdered. He was saying he was God, their accusations were true, they just didn't beleive him. Claiming Deity got him killed by unbeleivers. Nip over to the common sense thread and get aproper lesson from Mr. Williams. You've had plenty of time to run matters past Virgs, but you just won't do it! |
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Post by nathan on Feb 8, 2020 9:57:29 GMT -5
Lord of Darkness hear my plea.
The spell below on Nathan please.
I tie your fingers in a knot.
You cannot type or wipe your snot.
You cannot post, no not word.
You cannot see, your eyes are blurred.
For a year... make that a day.
That Nathan cannot work or play.
So mote it be!
Worth a try. You never know. 1) Someone wrote: What if it backfires on you, Annan ?
2) Annan wrote: From all the posts since I went to bed last night, obviously it did! both pathetic and hilarious...
Exodus 22:18 - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Deuteronomy 18:9-14 - When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. (Read More...)
Leviticus 20:27 - A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them.
Leviticus 19:31 - Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and ladymongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie REVELATION 22:15
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life REVELATION 21:27
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and ladymongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death REVELATION 21:8
45 things God hates, you fit on the list, Annan.1. Homosexual acts (Leviticus 18:22). 2. Bestiality (Leviticus 18:23) 3. Idols, and the materials used to make idols (Deuteronomy 7:25) 4. Blemished sacrifices (Deuteronomy 17:1) 5. Worshipping the sun, moon or stars (Deuteronomy 17:3-4) 6. Divination (Deuteronomy 18:10)
7. Astrology (Deuteronomy 18:10)
8. Enchanters (Deuteronomy 18:10)
9. Witches (Deuteronomy 18:10)
10. Charmers (Deuteronomy 18:11)
11. Wizards (Deuteronomy 18:11)
12. Necromancers (Deuteronomy 18:11) kingjamesbible101.wordpress.com/2016/12/27/hard-core-teachings-and-45-things-god-hates/ |
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Post by Annan on Feb 8, 2020 10:44:42 GMT -5
God hates WITCHES! and they have NO power over God's people. I told you before your BLACK magic and the spells that you cast on certain will back fires on you, Annan! so, Be very careful. Your spells will come back and be on you. You are playing with Satan the god of DARKNESS! power, he plays for keeps with your soul. Once you give him your soul it will be very difficult to get away from him, ONLY Christ/God Jesus can SAVE your soul if you cry out for help. Nathan, get a grip. Did you not see the smiling emoticon at the end of my post? It was a joke. I have no power over anyone. Please stop assuming you know anything about me. You don't. I do not believe in your god, therefore, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR SATAN. But it's obvious you do. Have you ever considered that your satan has you in his grip? This is very evident when you post ugly posts condemning others to hell and taking pleasure in doing so. All your post saying we will find out in the end show your gloating and the sin of pride. This is not how a christian is supposed to act or speak. Your satan has deluded you, Nathan. Wake up before he completely consumes your soul. Call out to your god/jesus to reveal the truth of who you have become and save your soul before it is too late. Get psychiatric help to rid yourself of your delusions. Please! It is so very sad watching you destroy yourself each and every day. It is obvious from your post over the years that you consider yourself a martyr. In my opinion, you exhibit signs of addictive personality disorder. Please get help! |
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Post by Annan on Feb 8, 2020 10:47:35 GMT -5
Leviticus 20:27 - A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them. Are you threatening me, Nathan? Should I report you to the FBI? There is an FBI office in the town where I live. I need to pay them a visit and talk to them about you. I consider this hate speech. I wonder how the FBI will see it. I will let you know. Or better yet, I will ask them to let you know.  |
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Post by nathan on Feb 8, 2020 10:49:06 GMT -5
God hates WITCHES! and they have NO power over God's people. I told you before your BLACK magic and the spells that you cast on certain will back fires on you, Annan! so, Be very careful. Your spells will come back and be on you. You are playing with Satan the god of DARKNESS! power, he plays for keeps with your soul. Once you give him your soul it will be very difficult to get away from him, ONLY Christ/God Jesus can SAVE your soul if you cry out for help. Nathan, get a grip. Did you not see the smiling emoticon at the end of my post? It was a joke. I have no power over anyone. Please stop assuming you know anything about me. You don't. I do not believe in your god, therefore, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR SATAN. But it's obvious you do. Have you ever considered that your satan has you in his grip? This is very evident when you post ugly posts condemning others to hell and taking pleasure in doing so. All your post saying we will find out in the end show your gloating and the sin of pride. This is not how a christian is supposed to act or speak. Your satan has deluded you, Nathan. Wake up before he complete consumes your soul. Call out to your god/jesus to reveal the truth of who you have become and save your soul before it is too late. Get psychiatric help to rid yourself of your delusions. Please! It is so very sad watching you destroy yourself each and every day. It is obvious from your post over the years that you consider yourself a martyr. In my opinion, you exhibit signs of addictive personality disorder. Please get help!
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Post by nathan on Feb 8, 2020 10:50:40 GMT -5
Leviticus 20:27 - A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them. Are you threatening me, Nathan? Should I report you to the FBI? There is an FBI office in the town where I live. I need to pay them a visit and talk to them about you. I consider this hate speech. I wonder how the FBI will see it. I will let you know. Or better yet, I will ask them to let you know. |
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Post by Annan on Feb 8, 2020 10:51:10 GMT -5
Nathan, get a grip. Did you not see the smiling emoticon at the end of my post? It was a joke. I have no power over anyone. Please stop assuming you know anything about me. You don't. I do not believe in your god, therefore, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR SATAN. But it's obvious you do. Have you ever considered that your satan has you in his grip? This is very evident when you post ugly posts condemning others to hell and taking pleasure in doing so. All your post saying we will find out in the end show your gloating and the sin of pride. This is not how a christian is supposed to act or speak. Your satan has deluded you, Nathan. Wake up before he complete consumes your soul. Call out to your god/jesus to reveal the truth of who you have become and save your soul before it is too late. Get psychiatric help to rid yourself of your delusions. Please! It is so very sad watching you destroy yourself each and every day. It is obvious from your post over the years that you consider yourself a martyr. In my opinion, you exhibit signs of addictive personality disorder. Please get help! So you resort to more threats against me, Nathan. Admin said nothing to me. Glad to know you run like a kindergartner and tattle. |
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Post by Annan on Feb 8, 2020 10:54:17 GMT -5
Are you threatening me, Nathan? Should I report you to the FBI? There is an FBI office in the town where I live. I need to pay them a visit and talk to them about you. I consider this hate speech. I wonder how the FBI will see it. I will let you know. Or better yet, I will ask them to let you know. Prove I cast a spell. Did you not see the laughing emoticon at the end of my post? And if your god's people are protected against spells, what harm did my post do? I suspect the admin deleted posts just to calm you down. You need to put on your big boy panties and grow up, Nathan. You have no idea what a fool you look like on TMB. Did you ask admin to delete the post of others who say the same things to you? What is it you have against me? |
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