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Post by matisse on Dec 29, 2019 9:13:41 GMT -5
An elder of mine explained to me when I was young, "Men need to think they've come up with the idea, and think they are in charge."
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 9:18:51 GMT -5
A self condemned man told you that, if he meant that to be universally true.
Men should aspire to be leaders, to renounce idleness and vanity. To be something of value to men and women.
Women are already defined, as they differ from men:
They bear children and nurture them.
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Post by matisse on Dec 29, 2019 9:29:36 GMT -5
A self condemned man told you that, if he meant that to be universally true. Men should aspire to be leaders, to renounce idleness and vanity. To be something of value to men and women. Women are already defined, as they differ from men: They bear children and nurture them. Who said it was a man who told me? |
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 9:35:30 GMT -5
I assumed wrongly?
If it was a woman who told you that she was considering the personalities of the men she was acquainted with.
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Post by matisse on Dec 29, 2019 9:54:18 GMT -5
I assumed wrongly? If it was a woman who told you that she was considering the personalities of the men she was acquainted with. You would "know"!  |
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 11:14:34 GMT -5
That's right.
Women should do their best to distinguish between resentment and constructive criticism.
And men should do their best to lead other men.
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Post by snow on Dec 29, 2019 13:16:17 GMT -5
What has sex got to do with what was quoted? Is that all you see women are good for? Paul said don't have sex at all, period. And, if you had to get married. He didn't even advocate marriage. One way to not be an antichrist is to not lie. Paul embraced marriage and he did not hate women. Actually he didn't embrace marriage. He said it was only advisable if you couldn't control your lust. And, if Paul didn't hate women he sure had a lot of ugly beliefs about how they should present in this world. |
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Post by snow on Dec 29, 2019 13:23:55 GMT -5
Do you agree Bob? Or does Curly's position position represent a smear job on a bonafide religious development according to the evolutionary perspective? He's not wrong, but the explanation isn't simple. We've been talking about how Paganism branched into original Judaism and became Christianity. Christianity adopted Pagan/Greek theology. Islam developed later, but it didn't absorb the same theology as Christianity did because the Christians by then had become so ethnocentric that they just rejected Islam. But Islam did evolve out of some still practiced Middle Eastern traditions, INCLUDING JUDAISM -- the reason why Islam and Judaism have the same concept of God. And remember, Abraham was the one who made the deal with "Abraham's god" (one of the ancient gods to pick from) and that's how it evolved. Remember, the Israelites weren't monotheistic -- they just didn't worship the other gods because of the first commandment their own god had given them. By the way, there is mention of Jesus in Hindu scriptures -- I think he was called Issa, but I've forgotten the exact spelling. Yes he is mentioned in other scriptures. I always thought it was Buddhist but you could be right it is Hindu. In any case, yes Issa is the spelling. Also the Muslims call him ʿĪsā ibn Maryam. Here is a link that is interesting. There have been a couple of books written on Issa studying with Tibetan monks and returning to India after he survived the crucifixion. www.disclose.tv/bbc-documentary-proves-jesus-was-a-buddhist-monk-named-issa-314782 |
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 29, 2019 18:33:56 GMT -5
He's not wrong, but the explanation isn't simple. We've been talking about how Paganism branched into original Judaism and became Christianity. Christianity adopted Pagan/Greek theology. Islam developed later, but it didn't absorb the same theology as Christianity did because the Christians by then had become so ethnocentric that they just rejected Islam. But Islam did evolve out of some still practiced Middle Eastern traditions, INCLUDING JUDAISM -- the reason why Islam and Judaism have the same concept of God. And remember, Abraham was the one who made the deal with "Abraham's god" (one of the ancient gods to pick from) and that's how it evolved. Remember, the Israelites weren't monotheistic -- they just didn't worship the other gods because of the first commandment their own god had given them. By the way, there is mention of Jesus in Hindu scriptures -- I think he was called Issa, but I've forgotten the exact spelling. Yes he is mentioned in other scriptures. I always thought it was Buddhist but you could be right it is Hindu. In any case, yes Issa is the spelling. Also the Muslims call him ʿĪsā ibn Maryam. Here is a link that is interesting. There have been a couple of books written on Issa studying with Tibetan monks and returning to India after he survived the crucifixion. www.disclose.tv/bbc-documentary-proves-jesus-was-a-buddhist-monk-named-issa-314782Buddhism is to Hinduism somewhat like Christianity is to Judism - an offshoot with common origins, far, far back. And their scriptures continue growing. One has to wonder what the connection is between the Saint Thomas Christians in India and Jesus. This article can't be discounted outright, though it seems like a logical possibility for the influence of Jesus to have travelled. And if this was how it happened, it would explain why St. Thomas Christians can practice polygamy, since it would not have been filtered through Pagan Roman Law like Western Christianity. Also, Hindu and Buddhist scriptures are not a closed canon, like Christian scripture, so anyone's name can be added to them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 19:56:11 GMT -5
Thanks Bob for providing detail of history of religions. As 2x2's we missed out on that, which meant we had little knowledge of what it was all about. There is strong evidence that Jesus studied Buddhism. I got into big trouble on another forum for daring to mention that. I was told it was false news, and that I believed in witchcraft. I think it is a real shame when people become so narrow minded that they are closed to finding out new information.
Learning anything new. On a physiological level, learning new things is good for your brain. According to CCSU Business & Development, practicing a new skill increases the density of your myelin, or the white matter in your brain that helps improve performance on a number of tasks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 20:12:07 GMT -5
interesting that people will believe a myth from 1000+ years ago(Jesus in china, india, tibet)but wont believe any testimonies about Jesus from 2000 years ago...
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 21:44:43 GMT -5
One way to not be an antichrist is to not lie. Paul embraced marriage and he did not hate women. Actually he didn't embrace marriage. He said it was only advisable if you couldn't control your lust. And, if Paul didn't hate women he sure had a lot of ugly beliefs about how they should present in this world. No he didn't. If you were starting a religion or doing something else of imminent importance you wouldn't have time for sex. Paul's blessing of marriage reflects his manifold wisdom. |
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Post by Annan on Dec 29, 2019 22:48:40 GMT -5
interesting that people will believe a myth from 1000+ years ago(Jesus in china, india, tibet)but wont believe any testimonies about Jesus from 2000 years ago... Gotta wonder where Jesus was from the time he was twelve (that temple thing) till he reappears in the scriptures in his early thirties. |
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Post by rational on Dec 30, 2019 16:01:55 GMT -5
If you're silly enough not to recognize the Bible is literal and allegorical you should place a close pin over your lips and spill coke on your keyboard. But first learn the difference between 'close pin' and 'clothes pin'. It is very convenient for individuals to select what they feel is allegorical or literal in the bible. When you don't like the facts simply decide that bit of text is allegorical. Perhaps the story about the resurrection is allegorical. certainly sounds like it is. As much of an allegory as Spenser's Faerie Queene. |
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Post by rational on Dec 30, 2019 16:07:22 GMT -5
My assumptions are based on fact, theories that are supported by successful experiments, and can be supported with science in other fields which overlaps. Whereas the bible which you totally believe in classifies bats as birds. It has the earth going dark in the middle of the day for three hours. It has the whole earth covered in water. There is no verifiable explanation for any of these bible "truths" Your necessity and disposition to be hyper polarized has deceived you. Do you have the theories to provide some answers the questions raised? Your willing suspension of disbelief is evident. |
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Post by rational on Dec 30, 2019 16:10:22 GMT -5
A self condemned man told you that, if he meant that to be universally true. Men should aspire to be leaders, to renounce idleness and vanity. To be something of value to men and women. Women are already defined, as they differ from men: They bear children and nurture them. The best leaders are those who do not aspire to be leaders. |
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Post by rational on Dec 30, 2019 16:11:12 GMT -5
interesting that people will believe a myth from 1000+ years ago(Jesus in china, india, tibet)but wont believe any testimonies about Jesus from 2000 years ago... Gotta wonder where Jesus was from the time he was twelve (that temple thing) till he reappears in the scriptures in his early thirties. Venus might be the answer.... |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 30, 2019 18:33:39 GMT -5
What Golding said here is of course a piece of sexist crap.
But since it is taken out of context of his surrounding statement I can't determine if he believed it .
But it is the kind of sexist crap that men have tried to pull over the eyes of women in order to get women to look up to men in adoration all the while making women into servants to the men to make life easy for the men.
“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men
They are far superior and always have been.
Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater.
If you give her sperm, she will give you a baby.
If you give her a house, she will give you a home.
If you give her groceries, she will give you a meal.
If you give her a smile, she will give you her heart.
She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.
So, if you give her any crap, be …ready to receive a ton of sh-!”
- William Golding, British Novelist, Playwright and Poet, 1911–1993. Why is this sexist? I've known women who love giving men all these things. I certainly enjoyed my part. 😃 |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 30, 2019 18:36:00 GMT -5
You're full of sauerkraut. Call me a liar then of what I have observed. I guess you are attracted to that sort of woman. It kind of limits the relationship aye! It sure didn’t for us. I got control of the bank book! 😉😃 |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 30, 2019 18:47:09 GMT -5
The Australian Emu seem to have the Mum, Dad thing worked out the right way. Mum has the good life. The breeding season for the Emu typically begins in November and lasts until May. During this time a male will make a nest and allow 7-12 eggs to be laid in it. After this time, the male will begin to incubate the eggs and will forcefully defend the nest from predators or even female Emus that attempt to lay more eggs in his nest. Each egg is approximately 13 x 9 cm in size and weighs 700g. The male will incubate the eggs for approximately 56 days, during which time he will fast and rarely move from the nest. When the eggs hatch, the male will care for and protect the chicks for another 18 months. Chicks will reach maturity and can begin breeding when they reach 2 years of age. The usual length of life for an Emu is around 25 years, but they can live longer in captivity. What dedication to his Wife, he fasts for 8 weeks sitting on the eggs. Then he is Father for 18 months. I wonder what lady Emus do with all the spare time. Form more eggs? |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 30, 2019 18:52:06 GMT -5
A self condemned man told you that, if he meant that to be universally true. Men should aspire to be leaders, to renounce idleness and vanity. To be something of value to men and women. Women are already defined, as they differ from men: They bear children and nurture them. The best leaders are those who do not aspire to be leaders. In a medical seminar some years ago, the speaker mentioned that the first person to do something new or different isn’t the “leader”; its the person who gets up and follows him which generally encourages others to follow also, |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 30, 2019 18:54:56 GMT -5
interesting that people will believe a myth from 1000+ years ago(Jesus in china, india, tibet)but wont believe any testimonies about Jesus from 2000 years ago... People don’t stop to realize that Jesus as God the Son initiated the Buddhist’s behavioral types. It’s just the fact the Buddhists paid more heed to what he’d shown to them through life’s experiences. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 30, 2019 20:50:24 GMT -5
A self condemned man told you that, if he meant that to be universally true. Men should aspire to be leaders, to renounce idleness and vanity. To be something of value to men and women. Women are already defined, as they differ from men: They bear children and nurture them. The best leaders are those who do not aspire to be leaders. Nihilism. The ethos of materialistic societies knows no leaders. Only societies countenancing spirituality. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 30, 2019 21:24:41 GMT -5
Actually he didn't embrace marriage. He said it was only advisable if you couldn't control your lust. And, if Paul didn't hate women he sure had a lot of ugly beliefs about how they should present in this world. No he didn't. If you were starting a religion or doing something else of imminent importance you wouldn't have time for sex. Paul's blessing of marriage reflects his manifold wisdom.
 You jest!  |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 30, 2019 22:01:54 GMT -5
No he didn't. If you were starting a religion or doing something else of imminent importance you wouldn't have time for sex. Paul's blessing of marriage reflects his manifold wisdom.
You jest! Paul was an opportunist and con artist. The story he tells about his conversion is a prime example. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 30, 2019 22:06:07 GMT -5
Ok God. You don't know.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 30, 2019 22:35:36 GMT -5
Paul was just another man of the times seeing an opportunity and making the most of it. Similar to Joseph Smith, Ron Hubbard, William Irvine and Nathan. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 30, 2019 23:01:37 GMT -5
You don't know. You hate the religion. That's what you know.
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You jest! 