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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 5:10:15 GMT -5
“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men. They are far superior and always have been. Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater. If you give her sperm, she will give you a baby. If you give her a house, she will give you a home. If you give her groceries, she will give you a meal. If you give her a smile, she will give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be …ready to receive a ton of sh-!”
- William Golding, British Novelist, Playwright and Poet, 1911–1993.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 7:54:13 GMT -5
all due respect but said out loud it sounds very very stupid....
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Post by Lee on Dec 24, 2019 9:41:57 GMT -5
I helped my son do three reports in elementary school. One was on John Muir, the other George Lucas. The other William Golding.
I think the quote is telling of the special and unique roles of men and women. Sexuality is best regarded not as mere pleasure or intimacy and connection. It surely is those things, but one would be remiss to suppose reproduction doesn't touch upon every aspect of your existence and soul.
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Post by Dennis J on Dec 24, 2019 9:51:40 GMT -5
“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men. They are far superior and always have been. Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater. If you give her sperm, she will give you a baby. If you give her a house, she will give you a home. If you give her groceries, she will give you a meal. If you give her a smile, she will give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be …ready to receive a ton of sh-!” - William Golding, British Novelist, Playwright and Poet, 1911–1993. |
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Post by Annan on Dec 24, 2019 12:43:37 GMT -5
“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men. They are far superior and always have been. Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater. If you give her sperm, she will give you a baby. If you give her a house, she will give you a home. If you give her groceries, she will give you a meal. If you give her a smile, she will give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be …ready to receive a ton of sh-!” - William Golding, British Novelist, Playwright and Poet, 1911–1993. Wow! What did you do that you have to atone for?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 13:53:59 GMT -5
Annan, all men should have to make atonement for past behaviour that has created a male dominated society. A lot of the dominance has been caused by religion, almost entirely created by men. I don't see that men had a right to do that, and they must now correct the big mistake that has been made.
I think when religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism - as well as Christianity and Judaism - were founded, at that time societies were generally male-dominated. So, therefore this social notion also influenced religion.
Dalai Lama
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 24, 2019 14:18:36 GMT -5
When women say they want to be equal to men I ask myself why they aim so low.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 24, 2019 16:00:10 GMT -5
Annan, all men should have to make atonement for past behaviour that has created a male dominated society. A lot of the dominance has been caused by religion, almost entirely created by men. I don't see that men had a right to do that, and they must now correct the big mistake that has been made. I think when religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism - as well as Christianity and Judaism - were founded, at that time societies were generally male-dominated. So, therefore this social notion also influenced religion. Dalai Lama True. But in the time before those traditions came about, women were indeed understood to be superior. There was a time when Goddess was the giver of all life, and worshipped appropriately. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 16:09:14 GMT -5
We should return to that Bob, for the betterment of the World.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 24, 2019 16:40:15 GMT -5
Annan, all men should have to make atonement for past behaviour that has created a male dominated society. A lot of the dominance has been caused by religion, almost entirely created by men. I don't see that men had a right to do that, and they must now correct the big mistake that has been made. I think when religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism - as well as Christianity and Judaism - were founded, at that time societies were generally male-dominated. So, therefore this social notion also influenced religion. Dalai Lama True. But in the time before those traditions came about, women were indeed understood to be superior. There was a time when Goddess was the giver of all life, and worshipped appropriately.
Men couldn't stand not being in that upper position! 
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 24, 2019 17:03:28 GMT -5
What Golding said here is of course a piece of sexist crap.
But since it is taken out of context of his surrounding statement I can't determine if he believed it .
But it is the kind of sexist crap that men have tried to pull over the eyes of women in order to get women to look up to men in adoration all the while making women into servants to the men to make life easy for the men.
“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men
They are far superior and always have been.
Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater.
If you give her sperm, she will give you a baby.
If you give her a house, she will give you a home.
If you give her groceries, she will give you a meal.
If you give her a smile, she will give you her heart.
She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.
So, if you give her any crap, be …ready to receive a ton of sh-!”
- William Golding, British Novelist, Playwright and Poet, 1911–1993.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 17:05:37 GMT -5
At least the Catholic Church does acknowledge Mother Mary.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 24, 2019 17:21:01 GMT -5
At least the Catholic Church does acknowledge Mother Mary.
Why DID the Catholic Church put a woman on a pedestal in order to offer women a sop in pretending that she is so... important while all the time who is it that really makes the policies & rules that control women and every aspect of their lives?
The priest-hood, -that is who!
And which gender is the priest-hood?
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Post by Lee on Dec 24, 2019 21:33:10 GMT -5
What Golding said here is of course a piece of sexist crap.
But since it is taken out of context of his surrounding statement I can't determine if he believed it .
But it is the kind of sexist crap that men have tried to pull over the eyes of women in order to get women to look up to men in adoration all the while making women into servants to the men to make life easy for the men.
“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men
They are far superior and always have been.
Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater.
If you give her sperm, she will give you a baby.
If you give her a house, she will give you a home.
If you give her groceries, she will give you a meal.
If you give her a smile, she will give you her heart.
She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.
So, if you give her any crap, be …ready to receive a ton of sh-!”
- William Golding, British Novelist, Playwright and Poet, 1911–1993. Why is this sexist? I've known women who love giving men all these things. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 24, 2019 21:49:05 GMT -5
What Golding said here is of course a piece of sexist crap.
But since it is taken out of context of his surrounding statement I can't determine if he believed it .
But it is the kind of sexist crap that men have tried to pull over the eyes of women in order to get women to look up to men in adoration all the while making women into servants to the men to make life easy for the men.
“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men
They are far superior and always have been.
Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater.
If you give her sperm, she will give you a baby.
If you give her a house, she will give you a home.
If you give her groceries, she will give you a meal.
If you give her a smile, she will give you her heart.
She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.
So, if you give her any crap, be …ready to receive a ton of sh-!”
- William Golding, British Novelist, Playwright and Poet, 1911–1993. Why is this sexist? I've known women who love giving men all these things.
After all, society has conditioned women to think that was their sole purpose for living for a long, long time. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 24, 2019 22:08:19 GMT -5
I said I've known women who love giving these things.
Usually when we talk about someone doing something they love, we are talking about a person who is self-actualizing, becoming more of who they are.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 24, 2019 22:28:47 GMT -5
I said I've known women who love giving these things. Usually when we talk about someone doing something they love, we are talking about a person who is self-actualizing, becoming more of who they are.
Just like they believe "love" god!
Even when they can't agree with each another on what "god" is! |
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Post by Lee on Dec 24, 2019 22:32:17 GMT -5
You're full of sauerkraut.
Call me a liar then of what I have observed.
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Post by Lee on Dec 24, 2019 22:33:49 GMT -5
Be the nihilist you are for this short, political season.
Assume all classical celebrations of our natures were conceived in sin.
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Post by Superior? on Dec 24, 2019 22:56:42 GMT -5
Sometimes , maybe any Superiority comes with a distorted world view?
Nevertheless, it is what it is.
Unless of course we find out otherwise someday later?
Maybe it’s all in our personal image in nation, ?
Good to see that we can appreciate everyone in
grateful and graceful humility?
IMO. 🙂
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Post by Superior? on Dec 24, 2019 22:57:52 GMT -5
Sometimes , maybe any Superiority comes with a distorted world view?
Nevertheless, it is what it is.
Unless of course we find out otherwise someday later?
Maybe it’s all in our personal image in nation, ?
Good to see that we can appreciate everyone in
grateful and graceful humility?
IMO. 🙂
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 24, 2019 23:13:26 GMT -5
You're full of sauerkraut. Call me a liar then of what I have observed. I guess you are attracted to that sort of woman. It kind of limits the relationship aye! |
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 24, 2019 23:18:29 GMT -5
You're full of sauerkraut. Call me a liar then of what I have observed. 
Get the hell off of your damned high horse!
I was actually a little surprised to see you use the word "self-actualizing."
Self-actualization was one of tools that helped me get through my journey from the 2x2's.
The concept of self-actualization is best known to psychology in the context of Abraham Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
The decades-old idea is certainly an area of interest in modern psychology research, but many still only know it as the top of Maslow’s motivational pyramid.
Maslow became the leader of the humanistic school of psychology founded in the 1950s, which he called “third force” we must understand that it goes beyond Freudian theory and behaviorism.
In 1967, thanks to his work he was awarded by the American Humanist Association which named him Humanist of the Year.
In the last years of his life he devoted himself to the teaching activity, Maslow devoted himself to a great theoretical project: to develop a philosophy and ethics that agreed with the hypotheses of humanistic psychology but did not complete it.
On June 8, 1970, he died in California due to myocardial infarction.
NOW,... I am a member of the American Humanist Association!
Have been for decades,
So,.... stop that crap of saying to me, "Be the nihilist you are …."
BTW, hope you have a nice holiday tomorrow, Lee.
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Post by Lee on Dec 25, 2019 1:27:10 GMT -5
You're full of sauerkraut. Call me a liar then of what I have observed. I guess you are attracted to that sort of woman. It kind of limits the relationship aye! Prostitution is the apple of vulgar men. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 25, 2019 2:10:33 GMT -5
I guess you are attracted to that sort of woman. It kind of limits the relationship aye! Prostitution is the apple of vulgar men. Seems very apt for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 4:02:00 GMT -5
The reality is that after thousands of years of living under patriarchy, through no choice or fault of our own, women have developed certain skills as a result of this tyranny. A feminist friend once remarked that “if oppression made one a better person there would be something to be said for it”, and while I agree wholeheartedly with this, the truth is that we have had to become far better than men at most things.
We beat men at raising money from crowdfunding, which is just as well because we are paid less for doing the same job
According to a recent study, women cope far better than men under pressure. No wonder – we are often under it. Not only do we have institutionalised oppression and discrimination to deal with, but under this system, men become lazy and complacent. As Barack Obama argues, women make better bosses and leaders because “men seem to be having some problems these days”. To clarify what I think Obama means, women have long had massive problems with male bosses and leaders because so many of them can’t keep it in their zippers, and seem to hold the attitude that women can do their jobs and be sexually harassed and assaulted at the same time. Talk about multitasking (which incidentally, we are also better at than men)!
Women even fare better in those jobs traditionally thought of as “for the boys”. A study published this year in the British Medical Journal found that women make better surgeons than their male counterparts, and that 4% fewer patients die following an operation performed by a woman.
We beat men at raising money from crowdfunding, which is just as well because we are paid less for doing the same job. A report published in Fortune found that globally, women are consistently more successful than men in reaching funding targets. In terms of self-care, we even do that better. More than half (53%) of women will talk through problems with friends compared with only 29% of men according to a survey by the mental health charity Mind.
And women are much safer (and therefore more skilled) drivers, causing fewer accidents and being more likely to survive a serious crash.
We are less likely to abandon our children, and therefore make better parents. Our washing up and general cleaning skills are far more honed (we have had loads more practice).
Cooking, ditto.
Laundry, ditto.
While men love to brag about “boy’s food”, meaning massive burgers and slabs of greasy protein, women are more likely to have the recommended five-a-day. I would hazard a guess that those men sucking up the carrot juice and quinoa as opposed to burger and chips do so because women prepare it for them.
“Ah,” I hear some men cry over the sound of scraping at the bottom of a barrel, “We are better at DIY than you are!” But even men’s practical skills are diminishing, as they get lazier and more complacent. A survey carried out by a bathroom firm found that women are increasingly likely to get on with tasks such as fixing a leaky tap, fixing the toilet, hanging wallpaper, and sealing windows rather than hanging around waiting for the “man of the house” to drain his lager, switch off the football, and move his backside into action.
But here is the rub. Women tend to be better than men at so many things because we have no choice. Yes we are better at washing up, but only because we do it way more often than men. This state of affairs self-perpetuates our oppression, highlighted by ridiculous scenarios such as restaurants advertising for female washer-uppers because men are rubbish at it.
Boys are privileged from the moment they are born. The fact that girls often exceed them in so many ways is testimony to the fact that patriarchy is really not up to much after all.
• Julie Bindel is a freelance journalist and political activist
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Post by Lee on Dec 25, 2019 10:19:00 GMT -5
Apologizing again?
I'm a damn good woman.
That's what I get from your post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 13:23:26 GMT -5
The reality is that after thousands of years of living under patriarchy, through no choice or fault of our own, women have developed certain skills as a result of this tyranny. A feminist friend once remarked that “if oppression made one a better person there would be something to be said for it”, and while I agree wholeheartedly with this, the truth is that we have had to become far better than men at most things. We beat men at raising money from crowdfunding, which is just as well because we are paid less for doing the same job According to a recent study, women cope far better than men under pressure. No wonder – we are often under it. Not only do we have institutionalised oppression and discrimination to deal with, but under this system, men become lazy and complacent. As Barack Obama argues, women make better bosses and leaders because “men seem to be having some problems these days”. To clarify what I think Obama means, women have long had massive problems with male bosses and leaders because so many of them can’t keep it in their zippers, and seem to hold the attitude that women can do their jobs and be sexually harassed and assaulted at the same time. Talk about multitasking (which incidentally, we are also better at than men)! Women even fare better in those jobs traditionally thought of as “for the boys”. A study published this year in the British Medical Journal found that women make better surgeons than their male counterparts, and that 4% fewer patients die following an operation performed by a woman. We beat men at raising money from crowdfunding, which is just as well because we are paid less for doing the same job. A report published in Fortune found that globally, women are consistently more successful than men in reaching funding targets. In terms of self-care, we even do that better. More than half (53%) of women will talk through problems with friends compared with only 29% of men according to a survey by the mental health charity Mind. And women are much safer (and therefore more skilled) drivers, causing fewer accidents and being more likely to survive a serious crash. We are less likely to abandon our children, and therefore make better parents. Our washing up and general cleaning skills are far more honed (we have had loads more practice). Cooking, ditto. Laundry, ditto. While men love to brag about “boy’s food”, meaning massive burgers and slabs of greasy protein, women are more likely to have the recommended five-a-day. I would hazard a guess that those men sucking up the carrot juice and quinoa as opposed to burger and chips do so because women prepare it for them. “Ah,” I hear some men cry over the sound of scraping at the bottom of a barrel, “We are better at DIY than you are!” But even men’s practical skills are diminishing, as they get lazier and more complacent. A survey carried out by a bathroom firm found that women are increasingly likely to get on with tasks such as fixing a leaky tap, fixing the toilet, hanging wallpaper, and sealing windows rather than hanging around waiting for the “man of the house” to drain his lager, switch off the football, and move his backside into action. But here is the rub. Women tend to be better than men at so many things because we have no choice. Yes we are better at washing up, but only because we do it way more often than men. This state of affairs self-perpetuates our oppression, highlighted by ridiculous scenarios such as restaurants advertising for female washer-uppers because men are rubbish at it. Boys are privileged from the moment they are born. The fact that girls often exceed them in so many ways is testimony to the fact that patriarchy is really not up to much after all. • Julie Bindel is a freelance journalist and political activist when ever a matriarchy meets a patriarchy it gets crushed like a bug few survive today an atheists/agnostic such as yourself might consider that when you possibly meet a new alien species its the weaker position...when the F testosterone gets the job done... |
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