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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 2:09:40 GMT -5
New record temperature today in Australia. 50.7C,123F at Oodnadatta. Hot as Hell.
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Post by ellie on Jan 4, 2020 4:54:46 GMT -5
ellieThe non-human animal exploiting industries thrive on duping the potentially empathetic consumer by lying about the treatment of these sentient beings. Please take a look at the following link: Exposing abattoirs and sufferingConsider the exposure of the suffering of sheep on live export vessels - many die a shocking death or experience prolonged agony from injury etc prior to reaching shore. That's an extremist website! There is probably more fake news than truth there, at the expense of farmers who have enough drought worries. I don't doubt things go wrong from time to time, I've seen it, but as I mentioned before the aim of the game is healthy livestock. No sane person wants to reduce their profit margin nor would they wish a herd of stressed cattle or upon themselves. Meanwhile, there will be species facing extinction after these fires. Some taken by the fires themselves, others post-fire starvation or feral cats and foxes running rife after the habitat loss.
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Post by ellie on Jan 4, 2020 5:01:24 GMT -5
New record temperature today in Australia. 50.7C,123F at Oodnadatta. Hot as Hell. It's pretty much an oven out there. Not good with the water restrictions. Hope howitis is managing today.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 4, 2020 5:20:25 GMT -5
Our news said 3 fires had grown into one fiery mountain of flames! I worry about those poor firies! This has to be hell for them!
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Post by joanna on Jan 4, 2020 6:32:31 GMT -5
ellieThe truth about the experiences of animals used in animal agriculture unfortunately involves endemic and extreme cruelty. Animals Australia contains informative and vital information for those who are unaware of the facts about animal agriculture. It is also a website aimed to promote kindness to vulnerable sentient beings. The extent and prevalence of the fires in Australia, the Amazon, USA are attributed to climate change. Animal agriculture is a salient contributor to Climate Change and the reason why scientists are recommending a plant-based diet is to curtail the damage inflicted by human farming practices on our planet. Those who farm animals are ignoring climate science and also the fact that the human animal does not have a monopoly over feeling fear; grief and pain. "If cattle and dairy cows were a country, they would have more greenhouse gas emissions than the entire EU 28," said Chu, who recently assumed the presidency of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.Animal agriculture impact on climateThe Amazon is referred to as the Earth's lungs. Please refer to the following link to learn that the extent of deforestation for animal farming has been identified as a contributor for the disastrous and ongoing Amazon fires Being kind to the vulnerable will benefit us, our planet and our health. There has been overwhelming evidence presented which reveals the cruelty inflicted upon animals by farmers - the Animals Australia, and many other websites etc attest to this. Growing crops for direct human consumption is a no-brainer instead of expending resources (water, fuel etc) to grow crops to 'grow other animals' to be fed to humans. An anthropocentric focus deludes us into believing we are a superior being. Religiosity feeds this attitude and encourages humans to believe they are created by a god and other animals are at our mercy. Dairy farming relies on separating babies from their mothers. Anyone aware of the Facts about Dairy Farming and who cannot tolerate cruelty, cannot continue consuming the milk from another mammal. We wean our children from human milk so the association between the consumption of dairy foods and diseases including breast, bowel and prostate cancers; cardiac disease; obesity; diabetes is unsurprising.
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Post by Annan on Jan 4, 2020 6:42:36 GMT -5
I’m surprised someone didn’t try to talk her into going to the hospital. You think we didn't??? Don't ASSume you know anything about my mother's situation.
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Post by Annan on Jan 4, 2020 6:51:27 GMT -5
Annan . I do not want to write anything which may cause you distress Annan but for the sake of others you may know and those reading this, the information you were apparently given by hospice nurse that 'hospice at home does not allow high doses of morphine or other pain killers' is absolutely false. There is no limit to the dose of morphine and other opioids required to relieve pain in the dying person. Other types of analgesia may be required for nerve pain and colic etc Most people across the world want to die in their own home and providing optimal symptom control is essential to relieve suffering and allow people to have a 'good death'. A good death is possible and involves pro-active suppression of the symptoms associated with many terminal diseases: pain - both physical and psychological; nausea and vomiting; agitation; restlessness etc There is a smorgasbord of medications available to control all these symptoms. I am really sorry to hear of your mother's experience and if it was possible to report this to an authority, you may choose to do so Annan. There is No excuse for what she experienced and the distress it caused her and yourself. I was a vigil specialist with hospice for many years. My mother died at HOME. The rules for medications are different than in a nursing home or hospital where the drugs are given by a nurse. The state will not allow meds like morphine to be put in the hands of a lay person to administer as they could steal the drugs and/or use them themselves. My parents live in a very rural area and the hospice nurse had to travel an hour and a half to see my mother. They gave her a fentanyl patch that did nothing for her.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 4, 2020 7:15:47 GMT -5
Annan . I do not want to write anything which may cause you distress Annan but for the sake of others you may know and those reading this, the information you were apparently given by hospice nurse that 'hospice at home does not allow high doses of morphine or other pain killers' is absolutely false. There is no limit to the dose of morphine and other opioids required to relieve pain in the dying person. Other types of analgesia may be required for nerve pain and colic etc Most people across the world want to die in their own home and providing optimal symptom control is essential to relieve suffering and allow people to have a 'good death'. A good death is possible and involves pro-active suppression of the symptoms associated with many terminal diseases: pain - both physical and psychological; nausea and vomiting; agitation; restlessness etc There is a smorgasbord of medications available to control all these symptoms. I am really sorry to hear of your mother's experience and if it was possible to report this to an authority, you may choose to do so Annan. There is No excuse for what she experienced and the distress it caused her and yourself. I was a vigil specialist with hospice for many years. My mother died at HOME. The rules for medications are different than in a nursing home or hospital where the drugs are given by a nurse. The state will not allow meds like morphine to be put in the hands of a lay person to administer as they could steal the drugs and/or use them themselves. My parents live in a very rural area and the hospice nurse had to travel an hour and a half to see my mother. They gave her a fentanyl patch that did nothing for her. I thought the same as Joanna on this. I’ve practiced in 3 different states and they all 3 allowed very strong narcotics for terminal patients. I know IVs were not a thing they’d do but like for my husband, as long as they could get a vein; they’d used a pump. But of course different states do have different guidelines. I sure hope the nurse didn’t give you a go-around!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 4, 2020 7:17:59 GMT -5
I’m surprised someone didn’t try to talk her into going to the hospital. You think we didn't??? Don't ASSume you know anything about my mother's situation. I’m sorry, Annan. That was an horrible thing to have to experience!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 4, 2020 7:33:32 GMT -5
ellieThe truth about the experiences of animals used in animal agriculture unfortunately involves endemic and extreme cruelty. Animals Australia contains informative and vital information for those who are unaware of the facts about animal agriculture. It is also a website aimed to promote kindness to vulnerable sentient beings. The extent and prevalence of the fires in Australia, the Amazon, USA are attributed to climate change. Animal agriculture is a salient contributor to Climate Change and the reason why scientists are recommending a plant-based diet is to curtail the damage inflicted by human farming practices on our planet. Those who farm animals are ignoring climate science and also the fact that the human animal does not have a monopoly over feeling fear; grief and pain. "If cattle and dairy cows were a country, they would have more greenhouse gas emissions than the entire EU 28," said Chu, who recently assumed the presidency of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.Animal agriculture impact on climateThe Amazon is referred to as the Earth's lungs. Please refer to the following link to learn that the extent of deforestation for animal farming has been identified as a contributor for the disastrous and ongoing Amazon fires Being kind to the vulnerable will benefit us, our planet and our health. There has been overwhelming evidence presented which reveals the cruelty inflicted upon animals by farmers - the Animals Australia, and many other websites etc attest to this. Growing crops for direct human consumption is a no-brainer instead of expending resources (water, fuel etc) to grow crops to 'grow other animals' to be fed to humans. An anthropocentric focus deludes us into believing we are a superior being. Religiosity feeds this attitude and encourages humans to believe they are created by a god and other animals are at our mercy. Dairy farming relies on separating babies from their mothers. Anyone aware of the Facts about Dairy Farming and who cannot tolerate cruelty, cannot continue consuming the milk from another mammal. We wean our children from human milk so the association between the consumption of dairy foods and diseases including breast, bowel and prostate cancers; cardiac disease; obesity; diabetes is unsurprising. Joanna, have you ever had a cow with a large milk production and allowed her calf to suck her all it could? It won’t work. You’ll end up scouring the calf and it’ll get so bad, it can die. If people cease wanting cow milk, then it’s going to be merciful just to kill all the dairy stock off the face of the earth. Even the milk cow suffers with just her own calf to suckle. Her milk bag gets too full, she can get milk fever and lose parts of her milk bag if not all and even get so sick as to die. When we had a first time Jersey heifer calve, we’d let her suckle babies and I mean babies. Usually it’d take about 11 calves to clean her milk bag out and that many to keep from scouring themselves and dying. We’d put 4 at a time on her, let suck 5 minutes then pull them off and put 4 more on her, let them suckle 5 minutes and pull those off then put 3 on her to suckle and strip her clean. Twice a day. You think that’s cruel though. People tend to forget it takes a lot of hard work to take care of dairy cattle! There are so many things that can ruin a cow right quick. A ruined cow is good for nothing but the slaughter house for dog food. And there goes several thousand dollars loss.
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Post by snow on Jan 4, 2020 13:32:00 GMT -5
]While I agree with you that it's appalling to believe that pain and suffering is some kind of a purification for the afterlife, I also have to wonder why your mother was left to suffer by the doctors. Unless she refused the pain relieving drugs, they should have definitely made her comfortable. So sorry that you all went through this. My mother was on hospice at home. They could not give her the powerful drugs she needed. They could have given her the drugs she needed if she were in a regulated setting such as a nursing home or hospital. When they finally gave her drugs to relax her, she died less than an hour later. The hospice nurse said pain keeps us alive as it keeps our brain engaged. The minute she could relax, she let go. She had bone cancer. Wow that must have been so hard Annan. Hugs.
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Post by joanna on Jan 4, 2020 18:21:14 GMT -5
sharingtheriches . Palliative care in Australia is provided in the person's own home if that is where they wish to die and they have family or friends to support them. The medications are not delivered by vein but subcutaneously and syringe drivers should be loaded with the doses of medications which the patient needs (these are continually titrated in a pro-active manner to control pain etc). The syringe driver is locked so family/friends do not have access to the medications within the delivery system. Families should be entrusted to deliver breakthrough doses of morphine etc and staff prepare these and leave them labelled. If there is a family member who has a history of drug addiction then specific strategies are applied but these must not undermine the patient receiving the medication they require. I am unsure of the country in which your mother died Annan but those who visited did not conform to the Palliative Care Standards and this example is consistent with the international focus. Certainly geographical isolation provides greater challenges however there are methods to surmount these and still insure that comfort-care is provided.
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Post by joanna on Jan 4, 2020 18:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 4, 2020 21:25:24 GMT -5
I have to disagree because of my own personal experience. Due to multiple diagnoses there are many foods which I cannot dare eat or at least eat little of. Dairy products have been a source of protein and calcium for me for a few years now. And I’m well aware there are others with me in this ship. Anything that produces phosphorus which includes tomatoes and peas and beans which had been a source of protein for me are now a no-no. High potassium foods such as potatoes and bananas etc are off limits also. Meat proteins are limited. So it’s cheeses and more cheeses. A few nuts. I get a bit tired of the same ole day after day but then I don’t like getting sucker either. They are pushing milk on me. I have had to take a break off it because I couldn’t handle it anymore for awhile. Luckily there’s enough variety of cheeses that I can switch around and haven’t gotten too tired of it yet! It’s not uncommon for CKD people to have to watch their diet very closely. So my long long hours doing neurosurgery to save lives wrecked mine so I’m paying the price now but have to admit I enjoyed doing it at the time. Multiple spinal injuries have partially paralyzed inner intestinal workings so there’s another diet necessity. So I’m hoping that fairies aren’t completely eradicated because not just for myself but for others coming behind me that’ll find it necessary to walk a fine line dietary wise. If cows create methane gas, so do people. So the real answer is get rid of people and then the need for cows etc won’t be there either. 😉 Btw, killing of newborn male calf’s Isn’t done around here at the dairies. Either the dairies bottle feed those calves or people who’s cows may lose a calf, will buy a calf to put on the cow or other dairies like us bought them to put on our first time heifers. It was a real fiasco to try to break a new fresh heifer to the milking machines. But after spending her first year suckling calves she was usually easy to put on milking machines. We preferred working with the Jersey breed as they were a lot more docile and easy to put orphan calves on. In one milking season on a heifer we often raised as many as 24-25 calves on one cow. When they got able to eat grain and grass, they were weaned and more babies put on her. I know of no dairy in this area who mistreats their cattle. It’s dollars and growth when one gets hurt or quits producing due to harsh treatment. We bought a top bred Registered cow but she’d come out of a very fast paced milk barn. She was very shy and didn’t like the big time operators and quit producing milk due to the stress on her nature. We bought her for her bloodline and we were smalll business and had time to handle her one on one and she developed into a magnificent milk cow giving us some wonderful heifers in the process. We always treated our cows as individuals and considered their nature. But abuse never happened in our areas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 22:02:25 GMT -5
STR I can relate very much to what you have posted. It sounds like my Mother talking. I grew up helping Mum with the 20 cows she hand raised. They were Jersey, and she bought a very good Jersey Bull, "Dandy". As you say you have to be kind to them to get the best from them. That only stands to reason, they are FEMALE. My Dad did not have any patience with them, at milking time we would tell him to go fencing, anywhere but the cow yard. If he helped with the milking you ended up with more green stuff, instead of white stuff.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 4, 2020 22:13:47 GMT -5
STR I can relate very much to what you have posted. It sounds like my Mother talking. I grew up helping Mum with the 20 cows she hand raised. They were Jersey, and she bought a very good Jersey Bull, "Dandy". As you say you have to be kind to them to get the best from them. That only stands to reason, they are FEMALE. My Dad did not have any patience with them, at milking time we would tell him to go fencing, anywhere but the cow yard. If he helped with the milking you ended up with more green stuff, instead of white stuff. Teenage boys staying with my husband were helping milk one morning and got mad because the cow kept flicking her tail in their face so they put a nail up on the wall and tied her tail to the nail. But when the let her out they forgot to untie her tail and the cow just sit now and pulled against the knot in her tail and slipped about half her tail off. Course they had to hurry and turn her back into the head stanchion and run get my father-in-law so he could figure out what to do. He got real mad at those boys. But didn’t say anything but he cauterized the bleeders and then wrapped the stub after putting some sulfa medication on it and then gave her a shot of penicillin. Course that meant he had to keep milking her and pouring the milk out then. Poor cow had a hard time switching flies off but Pappy kept some kind of powder on her twice a day to help keep flies off her. Kept her stump wrapped until it sealed over and healed. Those boys didn’t get out of milking but they had Pappy standing over them after that.
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Post by ellie on Jan 5, 2020 6:30:40 GMT -5
ellieThe truth about the experiences of animals used in animal agriculture unfortunately involves endemic and extreme cruelty. I think you and I will have to differ on what we consider endemic at least. Animals Australia is at least more credible than that other extremist website. They do unfortunately tarnish the reputation of the meat industry with sensationalist reporting on practices not representative of the wider industry. While many of us could eat less meat, vegan diet promoters generally neglect to note that crop growth at this point in time works most efficiently with livestock integration. Mixed farming allows for many environmental benefits as the by-products from each part such as manure become input for the other. Sheep and cattle help with nutrient cycling. The crops planted to feed the livestock too play a role. Correctly chosen they serve to replace soil nutrients as well as prevent erosion outside crop season.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 5, 2020 11:19:02 GMT -5
ellieThe truth about the experiences of animals used in animal agriculture unfortunately involves endemic and extreme cruelty. I think you and I will have to differ on what we consider endemic at least. Animals Australia is at least more credible than that other extremist website. They do unfortunately tarnish the reputation of the meat industry with sensationalist reporting on practices not representative of the wider industry. While many of us could eat less meat, vegan diet promoters generally neglect to note that crop growth at this point in time works most efficiently with livestock integration. Mixed farming allows for many environmental benefits as the by-products from each part such as manure become input for the other. Sheep and cattle help with nutrient cycling. The crops planted to feed the livestock too play a role. Correctly chosen they serve to replace soil nutrients as well as prevent erosion outside crop season. Very true! Farmers have practiced such balancing acts from the beginning.
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Post by snow on Jan 5, 2020 13:55:10 GMT -5
STR I can relate very much to what you have posted. It sounds like my Mother talking. I grew up helping Mum with the 20 cows she hand raised. They were Jersey, and she bought a very good Jersey Bull, "Dandy". As you say you have to be kind to them to get the best from them. That only stands to reason, they are FEMALE. My Dad did not have any patience with them, at milking time we would tell him to go fencing, anywhere but the cow yard. If he helped with the milking you ended up with more green stuff, instead of white stuff. We had Jersey's mostly also. I found Jersey bull calves to be quite aggressive in comparison to the Herefords though. There is nothing like Jersey cream. We used it like butter with our jam. And, home made ice CREAM was theeeee best!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 14:22:00 GMT -5
Yes Snow Jersey Bulls could be threatening. We were never allowed to go near Dandy. Dad put a ring in his nose,and he was the only one who handled him. You make my mouth water when you remind me about the cream. Fresh bread, raspberry jam, cream, Yum!.
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Post by joanna on Jan 5, 2020 18:31:43 GMT -5
sharingtheriches . I am really sorry to hear of your health problems STR. There are some extreme conditions which seriously limit diets and it is hoped that people in those situations are not also victims of flawed dietary advice filtered through the funding of the mega-powerful dairy industries etc Researchers at even the finest of tertiary institutions have been identified as having sourced their funding from the dairy industry etc so the public will continue to believe (and consume) that calves breast milk is the only reliable calcium source and a food staple. Each person is individual and co-morbidities provide additional challenges - here is an insight into kidney disease and diet. National Kidney Foundation
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Post by joanna on Jan 5, 2020 19:22:17 GMT -5
ellie . I do not have the right to support the purpose-breeding; killing and consumption of other sentient beings so why do you feel you have that right? Humans are a species of primate and the irony is that we can distinguish ourselves from other animals who do survive by killing, by surviving and living healthy and happy lives and inflict minimal harm. This is entirely possible in Westernised countries and is being encouraged as a viable alternative against starvation in non-western countries. Growing crops for humans The environmental and health benefits of a balanced plant-based diet are supported by the science. The continued predominant human attitude of superiority fuels the exploitation of vulnerable others who cannot self-advocate. This attitude is prevalent in the interaction with disabled humans, non-human animals and children. The abuse of disabled persons is widespread across the globe. The fundamental reason is that those who cannot speak up for themselves and cannot report the pain, fear and grief they experience are vulnerable to people who lack empathy. Empathy is unfortunately not a common trait in our species. Isaac Bashevis Singer wrote "In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an Eternal Treblinka" . That quote inspired this book Eternal Treblinka Other animals are sentient - they are conscious; they experience fear, pain and they grieve. The images portrayed in that above abattoir link are the norm (endless footage and personal accounts, including from ex-abattoir workers evidence this). The reason children are not taken on educational excursions to abattoirs to observe the gentle animals being filed towards their bloody death is that this would be considered too confronting for children to see. So parents promote the lies of the meat and dairy industries by telling stories and showing pictures of happy hens; cows and cattle. Genuine education relies on truth yet educators hide this from their students. The reason for the deception is that the truth behind the meat, eggs and dairy on our plate involves shocking cruelty and suffering and we should face up to this instead of continuing to pretend all is ok. Whether it is religiosity or consumerism - adopting a compliant and gullible response to the lies emanating from these domains is harmful. "In Australia, direct livestock emissions account for about 70% of greenhouse gas emissions by the agricultural sector and 11% of total national greenhouse gas emissions. This makes Australia’s livestock the third largest source of greenhouse gas emissions after the energy and transport sectors. Livestock are the dominant source of methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O), accounting for 56% and 73%, respectively, of Australia’s emissions". ReferenceThe mega-wealthy and powerful industries are trying bandaid measures to protect their profits and power. If the consumer allowed compassion and common sense to overcome their hunger for animal foods, the benefits would be overwhelming.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:27:45 GMT -5
The best diet I have found is raw oats with kefir made from whole cows milk for breakfast, glass of kefir whey for lunch, chicken or fish salad for night meal, washed down with a large glass of Guinness.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 5, 2020 19:47:08 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if this kind of thing is regulated differently in different states. I remember a fellow teacher who had been administering such pain medication to her husband when he was dying. I can imagine some states could have legislatures who would forbid that if they thought it would prevent the care giver from misusing the medication.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 5, 2020 20:25:12 GMT -5
sharingtheriches . I am really sorry to hear of your health problems STR. There are some extreme conditions which seriously limit diets and it is hoped that people in those situations are not also victims of flawed dietary advice filtered through the funding of the mega-powerful dairy industries etc Researchers at even the finest of tertiary institutions have been identified as having sourced their funding from the dairy industry etc so the public will continue to believe (and consume) that calves breast milk is the only reliable calcium source and a food staple. Each person is individual and co-morbidities provide additional challenges - here is an insight into kidney disease and diet. National Kidney Foundation My diet has been more about what I tolerate without getting into trouble or mire trouble. And yes, strange though it may be I’ve visited almost all kidney disease sites etc. thank you.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 5, 2020 20:32:07 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if this kind of thing is regulated differently in different states. I remember a fellow teacher who had been administering such pain medication to her husband when he was dying. I can imagine some states could have legislatures who would forbid that if they thought it would prevent the care giver from misusing the medication. You’re right. Different states do dictate how these things are handled. I did read though that people out in the rural areas are not covered very well in any states. As Annan said it took the hospice nurse an hour to get out to her mom, so that kind of explains things. Not that that is fair or right. Also, when I was doing home health as an extra way to make money, I did notice also the Fentanyl patches didn’t seem to do anything for the patients. I complained loud and strong about that. Then some doctors started giving liquid oral morphine which could be given sublingual and do about as much good. Of course that meant caregivers had to give that but that would be no different then giving any other oral narcotic.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 5, 2020 20:33:00 GMT -5
The best diet I have found is raw oats with kefir made from whole cows milk for breakfast, glass of kefir whey for lunch, chicken or fish salad for night meal, washed down with a large glass of Guinness. I imagine it’s the Guinness that helps! 😉😋
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 5, 2020 20:39:39 GMT -5
STR I can relate very much to what you have posted. It sounds like my Mother talking. I grew up helping Mum with the 20 cows she hand raised. They were Jersey, and she bought a very good Jersey Bull, "Dandy". As you say you have to be kind to them to get the best from them. That only stands to reason, they are FEMALE. My Dad did not have any patience with them, at milking time we would tell him to go fencing, anywhere but the cow yard. If he helped with the milking you ended up with more green stuff, instead of white stuff. Yes! An old sulled up Jersey cow was a pain to deal with! Worse then a stubborn mule!
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