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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2024 4:44:18 GMT -5
I have to live with my own side of the story -- the other sides are what other people want to believe. If you don't believe my side of the story, don't ask me to give you another side - - I'm not going to lie about myself, BS. If you hesitate to draw conclusions, why do you blast away so much at people on here. I am NOT a blasting on anyone, just sharing Jesus Christ New Testament teachings, doing what He has asked us to do in Matthew 28: 16-20, the Great commission, that is all. You tell present your side of the scriptures understanding or stories and I present mine side, and let the readers make up their own minds, who they want to believe in telling the truth. Just like in the days of Jesus, he preached the Truth of God, but the Pharisees kept on imposing him every direction but he told them you are NOT MY sheep because MY sheep hear my voice and accept me and follow me. Hey, it ‘s your choice if you don’t believe what I am doing is according to the teachings of Jesus Christ and true apostles teachings just skip my posts or refuted it. Was I supposed to read that answer for some reason? Of course it's my choice. Why do you keep bothering to answer me when I tell you to go fly a kite? |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 4:56:30 GMT -5
No judgement intended, just clarifying what you believe. You believe that God condemns murder, but Jesus prayed, "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done" (Luke 22:42). So it was obviously God's will that Jesus be sacrificed. Why do you suppose that was?
Sin not atoned for does equate to a literal spiritual death, and that was the purpose of Jesus death, he came as an offering for the sins of the world, he was God's own divine sacrificial lamb for all who believe in him. That ended the old covenant and replaced animal sacrifice once and for all.
The difference is that you assign a spiritual meaning to everything, but his crucifixion had a definitive purpose and was a necessity for the salvation of every sinner. Assigning some abstract spiritual significance to what Jesus physically and literally endured in order to blot out our sins really cheapens all that he suffered for our sake's.
Sin does separate us from God, and that's what Jesus rectified, his sacrifice was not in vain. That's the gift and unmerited favor (grace) the Savior brought, and its our faith in his redemptive power that saves all repentant believers.
You are kidding me, so Jesus dying on the cross covers all your sins? I don't think so! Do you believe like the mainstream Christians do, that they can do as they please and they are still saved regardless because Jesus died for them? Your sin separates you from God full stop, Paul was preaching this after the death of Jesus. Carry on wilfully sinning and we separate ourselves from God, we must truly repent and turn from that sin, Jesus didn't say your sins are forgiven, carry on, he said your sins are forgiven go sin by more. Repent is the key word, we don't carry on wilfully sinning once we truly repent. And once we truly repent we don't need death to save us, because the life of Christ has saved those who truly repent and follow him. Jesus didn't preach "repent, believe in me dying on the cross and you will be saved" did he? No he just preached "repent, the kingdom of God is at hand" no death needed. And you did judge me, you said you doubt that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus dying on the cross can be saved. I don't judge anyone like that, and I don't see salvation in this lifetime the way you do. I can't believe that people judge others' eternal salvation on their own beliefs. I just speak the truth and leave judgement and who receives eternal salvation to God, as many could have a better heart than me. I want you all with me IF I get there, but again I leave that in God's hands. Death death death, cross cross cross is all I hear from you people.... How about life life life, Jesus is the life, why do you only speak about his death, teach his life and love. Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those that curse you and pray for those that despitefully use you. Love is the key to salvation, and Jesus showed us the way. The gospel is what Jesus peached, and he didn't preach that we have to believe in his death to be saved. He taught us to repent, turn from sin and live by the will of God. And I follow him. Your thinking and your understanding on the scriptures are differently than the rest of Christianity! We know You love God and Jesus but your lacking of seeing them NOT fully there, for a mature Christian. You should understand these basic foundation of Jesus teachings by now. Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:18- 28 For the preaching/message of the Cross is to them that perish, foolishness But unto us, who are SAVED! It is the POWER of God… It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. We preached Christ CRUCIFIED, unto the Jews a stumbling blocks and the Gentiles foolishness. But unto them, whom God has chosen both Jews and Gentiles, Christ/ Death on Calvary’s Cross is the POWER and the Wisdom of God. Somehow, you don’t understand and see the Wisdom in Jesus teachings, he came to redeem us from sins of our past and daily sins through His own precious of the Lamb, to cleanse our sins, which we committed against God daily. As long we live in human mortal sinners bodies we continue to sins so, we constantly need Jesus blood to purified us, daily. This way each morning is a new day to walk in new hope, and newness of life. READ I John 1:1-10 John explained this quite nicely. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 5:22:18 GMT -5
I am NOT a blasting on anyone, just sharing Jesus Christ New Testament teachings, doing what He has asked us to do in Matthew 28: 16-20, the Great commission, that is all. You tell present your side of the scriptures understanding or stories and I present mine side, and let the readers make up their own minds, who they want to believe in telling the truth. Just like in the days of Jesus, he preached the Truth of God, but the Pharisees kept on imposing him every direction but he told them you are NOT MY sheep because MY sheep hear my voice and accept me and follow me. Hey, it ‘s your choice if you don’t believe what I am doing is according to the teachings of Jesus Christ and true apostles teachings just skip my posts or refuted it. Was I supposed to read that answer for some reason? Of course it's my choice. Why do you keep bothering to answer me when I tell you to go fly a kite? Well, I want to present my side of understanding of the scriptures so, the readers can take a look and get a better picture of the situation. I have learned a lot of things from many people on TMB many varieties topics, events like Dan, Dennis J. his story why, the excommunicated him for preaching the Trinity, Jesus is part of the Godhead posting on TMB for over 20 years. I enjoy learning new things to improve my spiritual walk with Christ Jesus and get to know and understand Godhead better because I will spend Eternity with them. They know all about me and I hardly know about them. |
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Post by Annan on Oct 9, 2024 6:26:43 GMT -5
Hey, it’s your choice if you don’t believe what I am doing is according to the teachings of Jesus Christ and true apostles teachings just skip my posts or rebuttal it in a mature manners. In a mature manner like you do with your condemnation and name calling? Try again. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 7:38:21 GMT -5
So what do you want to convince me of? You have been taught incorrectly by the workers in Calf. Staff for over 50 years, you believe the Trinity and Triune God is from the devils and it started by pagans religion and started by the RCC in the 3rd century which are false. Jesus said in Matthew 25 those who follow him as his sheep will be staying at his right hand and live forever in the New earth and heaven Rev. chapters 21-22 and the goats on his left hand side will be send to an outer darkness forever. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 9, 2024 8:01:55 GMT -5
No judgement intended, just clarifying what you believe. You believe that God condemns murder, but Jesus prayed, "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done" (Luke 22:42). So it was obviously God's will that Jesus be sacrificed. Why do you suppose that was?
Sin not atoned for does equate to a literal spiritual death, and that was the purpose of Jesus death, he came as an offering for the sins of the world, he was God's own divine sacrificial lamb for all who believe in him. That ended the old covenant and replaced animal sacrifice once and for all.
The difference is that you assign a spiritual meaning to everything, but his crucifixion had a definitive purpose and was a necessity for the salvation of every sinner. Assigning some abstract spiritual significance to what Jesus physically and literally endured in order to blot out our sins really cheapens all that he suffered for our sake's.
Sin does separate us from God, and that's what Jesus rectified, his sacrifice was not in vain. That's the gift and unmerited favor (grace) the Savior brought, and its our faith in his redemptive power that saves all repentant believers.
You are kidding me, so Jesus dying on the cross covers all your sins? I don't think so! Do you believe like the mainstream Christians do, that they can do as they please and they are still saved regardless because Jesus died for them? Your sin separates you from God full stop, Paul was preaching this after the death of Jesus. Carry on wilfully sinning and we separate ourselves from God, we must truly repent and turn from that sin, Jesus didn't say your sins are forgiven, carry on, he said your sins are forgiven go sin by more. Repent is the key word, we don't carry on wilfully sinning once we truly repent. And once we truly repent we don't need death to save us, because the life of Christ has saved those who truly repent and follow him. Jesus didn't preach "repent, believe in me dying on the cross and you will be saved" did he? No he just preached "repent, the kingdom of God is at hand" no death needed. And you did judge me, you said you doubt that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus dying on the cross can be saved. I don't judge anyone like that, and I don't see salvation in this lifetime the way you do. I can't believe that people judge others' eternal salvation on their own beliefs. I just speak the truth and leave judgement and who receives eternal salvation to God, as many could have a better heart than me. I want you all with me IF I get there, but again I leave that in God's hands. Death death death, cross cross cross is all I hear from you people.... How about life life life, Jesus is the life, why do you only speak about his death, teach his life and love. Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those that curse you and pray for those that despitefully use you. Love is the key to salvation, and Jesus showed us the way. The gospel is what Jesus peached, and he didn't preach that we have to believe in his death to be saved. He taught us to repent, turn from sin and live by the will of God. And I follow him.
Yes, Jesus paid the penalty for all sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I believe sin is forgiven when a believer repents.
Yes, I believe like mainstream Christianity, Jesus being sinless paid the price for sin on Calvary. Without the cross, there would be no life for anyone.
It is true, I don't believe a Christian who rejects his crucifixion is saved, because rejecting his sacrifice for sin leaves a person guilty of sin, and the 'wages of sin is death'.
Your sins aren't blotted-out until they are paid for, Jesus took your transgressions upon himself and suffered the consequences.
"Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors" (Isaiah 53:4-12).. Its not rocket science, its right there in black & white.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 9, 2024 10:19:59 GMT -5
You are kidding me, so Jesus dying on the cross covers all your sins? I don't think so! Do you believe like the mainstream Christians do, that they can do as they please and they are still saved regardless because Jesus died for them? Your sin separates you from God full stop, Paul was preaching this after the death of Jesus. Carry on wilfully sinning and we separate ourselves from God, we must truly repent and turn from that sin, Jesus didn't say your sins are forgiven, carry on, he said your sins are forgiven go sin by more. Repent is the key word, we don't carry on wilfully sinning once we truly repent. And once we truly repent we don't need death to save us, because the life of Christ has saved those who truly repent and follow him. Jesus didn't preach "repent, believe in me dying on the cross and you will be saved" did he? No he just preached "repent, the kingdom of God is at hand" no death needed. And you did judge me, you said you doubt that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus dying on the cross can be saved. I don't judge anyone like that, and I don't see salvation in this lifetime the way you do. I can't believe that people judge others' eternal salvation on their own beliefs. I just speak the truth and leave judgement and who receives eternal salvation to God, as many could have a better heart than me. I want you all with me IF I get there, but again I leave that in God's hands. Death death death, cross cross cross is all I hear from you people.... How about life life life, Jesus is the life, why do you only speak about his death, teach his life and love. Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those that curse you and pray for those that despitefully use you. Love is the key to salvation, and Jesus showed us the way. The gospel is what Jesus peached, and he didn't preach that we have to believe in his death to be saved. He taught us to repent, turn from sin and live by the will of God. And I follow him. Your thinking and your understanding on the scriptures are differently than the rest of Christianity! We know You love God and Jesus but your lacking of seeing them NOT fully there, for a mature Christian. You should understand these basic foundation of Jesus teachings by now. Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:18- 28 For the preaching/message of the Cross is to them that perish, foolishness But unto us, who are SAVED! It is the POWER of God… It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. We preached Christ CRUCIFIED, unto the Jews a stumbling blocks and the Gentiles foolishness. But unto them, whom God has chosen both Jews and Gentiles, Christ/ Death on Calvary’s Cross is the POWER and the Wisdom of God. Somehow, you don’t understand and see the Wisdom in Jesus teachings, he came to redeem us from sins of our past and daily sins through His own precious of the Lamb, to cleanse our sins, which we committed to God daily. As long we live in human mortal sinners bodies we continue to sins so, we constantly need Jesus blood to purified us, daily. This way each morning is a new day to walk in new hope, and newness of life. READ I John 1:1-10 John explained this quite nicely. Can you show me chapter and verse where it says what you have said and I've quoted (here below,) exactly those words? Can you copy and paste the exact words and chapter and verse please? Quote Nathan: It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 9, 2024 10:24:07 GMT -5
You are kidding me, so Jesus dying on the cross covers all your sins? I don't think so! Do you believe like the mainstream Christians do, that they can do as they please and they are still saved regardless because Jesus died for them? Your sin separates you from God full stop, Paul was preaching this after the death of Jesus. Carry on wilfully sinning and we separate ourselves from God, we must truly repent and turn from that sin, Jesus didn't say your sins are forgiven, carry on, he said your sins are forgiven go sin by more. Repent is the key word, we don't carry on wilfully sinning once we truly repent. And once we truly repent we don't need death to save us, because the life of Christ has saved those who truly repent and follow him. Jesus didn't preach "repent, believe in me dying on the cross and you will be saved" did he? No he just preached "repent, the kingdom of God is at hand" no death needed. And you did judge me, you said you doubt that anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus dying on the cross can be saved. I don't judge anyone like that, and I don't see salvation in this lifetime the way you do. I can't believe that people judge others' eternal salvation on their own beliefs. I just speak the truth and leave judgement and who receives eternal salvation to God, as many could have a better heart than me. I want you all with me IF I get there, but again I leave that in God's hands. Death death death, cross cross cross is all I hear from you people.... How about life life life, Jesus is the life, why do you only speak about his death, teach his life and love. Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those that curse you and pray for those that despitefully use you. Love is the key to salvation, and Jesus showed us the way. The gospel is what Jesus peached, and he didn't preach that we have to believe in his death to be saved. He taught us to repent, turn from sin and live by the will of God. And I follow him.
Yes, Jesus paid the penalty for all sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I believe sin is forgiven when a believer repents.
Yes, I believe like mainstream Christianity, Jesus being sinless paid the price for sin on Calvary. Without the cross, there would be no life for anyone.
It is true, I don't believe a Christian who rejects his crucifixion is saved, because rejecting his sacrifice for sin leaves a person guilty of sin, and the 'wages of sin is death'.
Your sins aren't blotted-out until they are paid for, Jesus took your transgressions upon himself and suffered the consequences.
"Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors" (Isaiah 53:4-12).. Its not rocket science, its right there in black & white.
Wow.... So you're ok and off to heaven regardless of what you do, and everyone else who doesn't believe as you do is unsaved no matter what their heart is like. Ok thanks now I know how you see me and others and how judgemental you are. May God forgive you! |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 10:59:07 GMT -5
Your thinking and your understanding on the scriptures are differently than the rest of Christianity! We know You love God and Jesus but you’re lacking of seeing them NOT fully there, for a mature Christian. You should understand these basic foundation of Jesus teachings by now. Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:18- 28 For the preaching/message of the Cross is to them that perish, foolishness But unto us, who are SAVED! It is the POWER of God… It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. We preached Christ CRUCIFIED, unto the Jews a stumbling blocks and the Gentiles foolishness. But unto them, whom God has chosen both Jews and Gentiles, Christ/ Death on Calvary’s Cross is the POWER and the Wisdom of God. Somehow, you don’t understand and see the Wisdom in Jesus teachings, he came to redeem us from sins of our past and daily sins through His own precious of the Lamb, to cleanse our sins, which we committed to God daily. As long we live in human mortal sinners bodies we continue to sins so, we constantly need Jesus blood to purified us, daily. This way each morning is a new day to walk in new hope, and newness of life. READ I John 1:1-10 John explained this quite nicely. Can you show me chapter and verse where it says what you have said and I've quoted (here below,) exactly those words? Can you copy and paste the exact words and chapter and verse please? Quote Nathan: It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. Read I Cor. 1:18-28. The New International Version. The New English translation. New American Standard Bible ( NASB) If you read those translations and don’t understand it was the PREACHING Message of the Cross/Jesus death on Calvary to REDEEM our sins to be SAVED before God and the Godhead, then you don’t fully understand the gospel of your Salvation. If that is the case, then you are teaching a different gospel of Christ Jesus and the apostles are teachings and preaching. Paul wrote in Galatians 1: 8-9 but though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you let him be accursed/eternal condemned. As we say before now, I say again If any man/woman preach any other gospel, than that ye have received let him be eternal condemned. (KJV/NIV) |
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Post by Lee on Oct 9, 2024 13:09:43 GMT -5
So you see that as literal? Jesus is going to come floating on a cloud out of the sky blowing a trumpet and people are literally going to jump out of graves in the ground? If it's not on this earth, where is it? Right. The idea of flying around in the clouds comes off goofy at first glance. Acts 1:11 also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. On the other hand, the rapture and resurrection may be just that visceral. In my life time I’ve had to deal with a lot of “the weird”. So it wouldn’t blow me away. |
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Post by Lee on Oct 9, 2024 13:22:05 GMT -5
Practically speaking, a doctrine of atonement ameliorates the conflict of interest that potentially arises in an individual's quest for salvation. Exercised and or appropriated responsibly, the doctrine of atonement neutralizes bias from the science of salvation. Blimey, I'm a simple woman. Can you simplify that for me please? Thank you. I can share what I’ve learned from experience. Growing up in the 2x2 conditioned me to behaviors I formerly attached or imputed an inordinate degree of soteriological significance. Today, I’m circumspect and aloof to the point of a fault … almost. I gained release and retirement from my conditioning by exercising faith in the salvation that extends from the imputed righteousness of Christ. |
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Post by Lee on Oct 9, 2024 13:31:59 GMT -5
Practically speaking, a doctrine of atonement ameliorates the conflict of interest that potentially arises in an individual's quest for salvation. Exercised and or appropriated responsibly, the doctrine of atonement neutralizes bias from the science of salvation. Lee, some of us genuinely want to understand what you're saying here. Could you flesh it out a bit please? Say it a different way, ideally using a few more sentences? What you wrote is like trying to decipher the 400 year old English of the King James Bible! Please see my reply to Maryhig. I’m preoccupied with my daughter’s wedding on 10/25 and a desire to travel to help out with hurricane relief efforts. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 14:01:47 GMT -5
So you see that as literal? Jesus is going to come floating on a cloud out of the sky blowing a trumpet and people are literally going to jump out of graves in the ground? If it's not on this earth, where is it? Right. The idea of flying around in the clouds comes off goofy at first glance. Acts 1:11 also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. On the other hand, the rapture and resurrection may be just that visceral. In my life time I’ve had to deal with a lot of “the weird”. So it wouldn’t blow me away. Amen! It was two of the angels standing with the apostles witnessing Jesus Christ ascension back to heaven, where he came down from to die for our sins and that what they said to them, He will come back in the same manner/way they saw him going back up. Rev. 1:7-8 John the apostle saw Jesus 2nd coming future event 2000 years ago, while he was taken up in heaven. “Jesus is coming with clouds/true believers and every eye shall SEE Him, and they who pierced him, and ALL People/unbelievers of the earth shall mourned because of him. Jesus said I AM Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, who is and which was, and who is to come, the Almighty. I Thess 4:14-17 even so them also which die in Jesus their souls are in heaven waiting (Rev. 6: 9-11) will God/Jesus bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we who are still ALIVE unto the coming of the Lord shall not precede them who are in heaven. For the Lord/Jesus Himself shall descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet call of God; and the dead in Christ shall RISE first. Then we who are alive on the earth, shall be caught up together with Him/Jesus in the air and so shall will be with the Lord. To rule and reign with Christ 1000 years on earth/Universe; after this the final battle between God vs. Satan and the Judgment of the world will take place. READ Rev. 20:1-15 |
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Post by Mary on Oct 9, 2024 14:49:26 GMT -5
Your thinking and your understanding on the scriptures are differently than the rest of Christianity! We know You love God and Jesus but your lacking of seeing them NOT fully there, for a mature Christian. You should understand these basic foundation of Jesus teachings by now. Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:18- 28 For the preaching/message of the Cross is to them that perish, foolishness But unto us, who are SAVED! It is the POWER of God… It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. We preached Christ CRUCIFIED, unto the Jews a stumbling blocks and the Gentiles foolishness. But unto them, whom God has chosen both Jews and Gentiles, Christ/ Death on Calvary’s Cross is the POWER and the Wisdom of God. Somehow, you don’t understand and see the Wisdom in Jesus teachings, he came to redeem us from sins of our past and daily sins through His own precious of the Lamb, to cleanse our sins, which we committed to God daily. As long we live in human mortal sinners bodies we continue to sins so, we constantly need Jesus blood to purified us, daily. This way each morning is a new day to walk in new hope, and newness of life. READ I John 1:1-10 John explained this quite nicely. Can you show me chapter and verse where it says what you have said and I've quoted (here below,) exactly those words? Can you copy and paste the exact words and chapter and verse please? Quote Nathan: It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 9, 2024 15:54:58 GMT -5
Can you show me chapter and verse where it says what you have said and I've quoted (here below,) exactly those words? Can you copy and paste the exact words and chapter and verse please? Quote Nathan: It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. Yes and that's the truth, and here's Jesus preaching the cross and it's foolishness to those that perish. Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. The word that Jesus preached is the gospel and this is the cross he preached about and to those who are being saved it's the power of God. Because we are willing to lose our lives in this world to save it, because we love God, have faith in him and put him first in our lives, and deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Jesus in word and deed. This is for Nathan too, this is the true cross of Christ Nathan. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 9, 2024 16:08:49 GMT -5
Can you show me chapter and verse where it says what you have said and I've quoted (here below,) exactly those words? Can you copy and paste the exact words and chapter and verse please? Quote Nathan: It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. Read I Cor. 1:18-28. The New International Version. The New English translation. New American Standard Bible ( NASB) If you read those translations and don’t understand it was the PREACHING Message of the Cross/Jesus death on Calvary to REDEEM our sins to be SAVED before God and the Godhead, then you don’t fully understand the gospel of your Salvation. If that is the case, then you are teaching a different gospel of Christ Jesus and the apostles are teachings and preaching. Paul wrote in Galatians 1: 8-9 but though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you let him be accursed/eternal condemned. As we say before now, I say again If any man/woman preach any other gospel, than that ye have received let him be eternal condemned. (KJV/NIV) See, you're going all around the world again, because again you've added to what's in the bible putting words that aren't there. That's why you can't print chapter and verse of what you said like I asked you too, because it isn't written how you've said it, yet again! So again, simply where is this exactly as you've written it, in the bible? As you are saying it's here. Quote Nathan: It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 9, 2024 16:10:28 GMT -5
So you see that as literal? Jesus is going to come floating on a cloud out of the sky blowing a trumpet and people are literally going to jump out of graves in the ground? If it's not on this earth, where is it? Right. The idea of flying around in the clouds comes off goofy at first glance. Acts 1:11 also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. On the other hand, the rapture and resurrection may be just that visceral. In my life time I’ve had to deal with a lot of “the weird”. So it wouldn’t blow me away. Ah right ok, I see all that as spiritual not literal. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 16:59:36 GMT -5
Read I Cor. 1:18-28. The New International Version. The New English translation. New American Standard Bible ( NASB) If you read those translations and don’t understand it was the PREACHING Message of the Cross/Jesus death on Calvary to REDEEM our sins to be SAVED before God and the Godhead, then you don’t fully understand the gospel of your Salvation. If that is the case, then you are teaching a different gospel of Christ Jesus and the apostles are teachings and preaching. Paul wrote in Galatians 1: 8-9 but though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you let him be accursed/eternal condemned. As we say before now, I say again If any man/woman preach any other gospel, then that ye have received let him be eternal condemned. (KJV/NIV) See, you're going all around the world again, because again you've added to what's in the bible putting words that aren't there. That's why you can't print chapter and verse of what you said like I asked you too, because it isn't written how you've said it, yet again! So again, simply where is this exactly as you've written it, in the bible? As you are saying it's here. Quote Nathan: It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. Yes, I put it there on purpose so, when the readers read those verses, they can see it clearly what Paul was writing, talking and saying. 👍 Dan, Mountain had posted some of the most powerful Verses in Isiah 53 that explained or supported Paul’s writings in I Cor 1: 18-26. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 17:10:51 GMT -5
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. Yes and that's the truth, and here's Jesus preaching the cross and it's foolishness to those that perish. Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. The word that Jesus preached is the gospel and this is the cross he preached about and to those who are being saved it's the power of God. Because we are willing to lose our lives in this world to save it, because we love God, have faith in him and put him first in our lives, and deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Jesus in word and deed. This is for Nathan too, this is the true cross of Christ Nathan. There is a literal Cross that Jesus had to DIE to pay for our sins against the Godhead. There is a spiritual Cross we have to bear for being followers of Jesus, reject and making fun of by the unbelievers, reject by our non-believers for putting God’s will and plans before them. Denying our own fleshly lust, desires and plans for God’s plans for our lives, which we don’t want to do, but it brings the best results at the end. These are spiritual crosses we must bear daily that Jesus is talking about. We must KNOW and discern when it’s literal and when is spiritual, if we mixed it up it can be dangerous, believing/teaching a different gospel of Jesus Christ. You just collect verses together which goes the opposite direction of what Jesus had taught! That is NOT correctly interpreted the scriptures. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2024 17:14:13 GMT -5
Was I supposed to read that answer for some reason? Of course it's my choice. Why do you keep bothering to answer me when I tell you to go fly a kite? Well, I want to present my side of understanding of the scriptures so, the readers can take a look and get a better picture of the situation. I have learned a lot of things from many people on TMB many varieties topics, events like Dan, Dennis J. his story why, the excommunicated him for preaching the Trinity, Jesus is part of the Godhead posting on TMB for over 20 years. I enjoy learning new things to improve my spiritual walk with Christ Jesus and get to know and understand Godhead better because I will spend Eternity with them. They know all about me and I hardly know about them. You just said NOTHING new. You've said it daily for years, and I DON'T CARE. Why do you keep answering my post with the same thing -- 20 times a day if I cared to make you say it again? You're a broken record. It would be smart of you not to accuse anyone of being a broken record. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 17:26:26 GMT -5
Well, I want to present my side of understanding of the scriptures so, the readers can take a look and get a better picture of the situation. I have learned a lot of things from many people on TMB many varieties topics, events like Dan, Dennis J. his story why, the excommunicated him for preaching the Trinity, Jesus is part of the Godhead posting on TMB for over 20 years. I enjoy learning new things to improve my spiritual walk with Christ Jesus and get to know and understand Godhead better because I will spend Eternity with them. They know all about me and I hardly know about them. You just said NOTHING new. You've said it daily for years, and I DON'T CARE. Why do you keep answering my post with the same thing -- 20 times a day if I cared to make you say it again? You're a broken record. It would be smart of you not to accuse anyone of being a broken record. Like I said you are saying something very important on the Godhead/Trinity/Jesus is NOT God, but you worshipped and prayed to Him on every Sunday, given thanks for the emblems over 50 years, Only God to be worshipped! And Pray to. If Jesus wasn’t part of the Godhead/Triune God, then why were you praying and offered him thanks on the same level as God the Father, that is totally incorrect and blasphemy, that you learned and taught by the workers! There are new readers who come on here read what you wrote, I give them, verses in the Bible and church history information so, they check it out for themselves. I have many new things, revelation all the time on the same subject so, it’s NOT broken record, but NEW records.😁👍. |
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Post by fixit on Oct 9, 2024 18:21:15 GMT -5
Like I said you are saying something very important on the Godhead/Trinity/Jesus is NOT God, but you worshipped and prayed to Him on every Sunday, given thanks for the emblems over 50 years, Only God to be worshipped! What a broken record! You're more talker than listener by far. maryhig reminded you recently of the following message to the church at Sardis... Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2024 18:41:45 GMT -5
You just said NOTHING new. You've said it daily for years, and I DON'T CARE. Why do you keep answering my post with the same thing -- 20 times a day if I cared to make you say it again? You're a broken record. It would be smart of you not to accuse anyone of being a broken record. you are saying something very important on the Godhead/Trinity/Jesus is NOT God, but you worshipped and prayed to Him on every Sunday, given thanks for the emblems over 50 years, Only God to be worshipped! And Pray to. If Jesus wasn’t part of the Godhead/Triune God, then why were you praying and offered him thanks on the same level as God the Father, that is totally incorrect and blasphemy, that you learned and taught by the workers! There are new readers who come on here read what you wrote, I give them, verses in the Bible and church history information so, they check it out for themselves. I have many new things, revelation all the time on the same subject so, it’s NOT broken record, but NEW records.😁👍. Again. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 19:40:21 GMT -5
Like I said you are saying something very important on the Godhead/Trinity/Jesus is NOT God, but you worshipped and prayed to Him on every Sunday, given thanks for the emblems over 50 years, Only God to be worshipped! What a broken record! You're more talker than listener by far. maryhig reminded you recently of the following message to the church at Sardis... Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. That was Jesus speaking the true believers, the angels, and the 24 elders will bow down and worship God the Feather and the Lamb of God who are sitting on their thrones in heaven. READ chapters 4-7. Jesus the Christ is part of the Godhead/Triune God from eternity to eternity! Jesus didn’t become God or the Son of God 2000 years ago! Jesus has always been God the I AM that I AM that spoke to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David, Solomon, the prophets, just like God the Father and the Holy Spirit had done. They are ETERNAL! |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2024 19:50:36 GMT -5
Truth worth to repeat it again and again wouldn’t you say? The Truth of Jesus gives people hope, Faith, direction and Eternal life. This way the 2x2s workers and the friends will leave the 2x2s false Anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God, the Trinity is the devil doctrines forever! Say what? |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 19:51:51 GMT -5
Truth worth to repeat it again and again wouldn’t you say? The Truth of Jesus gives people hope, Faith, direction and Eternal life. This way the 2x2s workers and the friends will leave the 2x2s false Anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God, the Trinity is the devil doctrines forever from their teaching and preaching! The Sunday morning worship the Godhead and iscDIVINE set up by God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit! Is NOT the pagans or the devil’s doctrine. Don’t let Satan and his children on earth tell you to believe it differently, because that is blasphemy! |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2024 19:55:44 GMT -5
Truth worth to repeat it again and again wouldn’t you say? The Truth of Jesus gives people hope, Faith, direction and Eternal life. This way the 2x2s workers and the friends will leave the 2x2s false Anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God, the Trinity is the devil doctrines forever from their teaching and preaching! The Sunday morning worship the Godhead and iscDIVINE set up by God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit! Is NOT the pagans or the devil’s doctrine. Don’t let Satan and his children on earth/on TMB tell you to believe it differently, because that is blasphemy! OK. Six lines this time. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 20:00:52 GMT -5
I will keep on repeating until the 2x2s will see and understand the Truth of the Godhead. Sunday morning worship the Godhead and the 2x2 itinerant ministry was set up by the early days workers in 1900s to WORSHIP and glorify God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit! The original 2x2s were NOT anti-Trinity believers or Denying Jesus is NOT part of the Godhead. This way the whole world of Christianity will KNOW the 2x2s had NOT always been anti-Trinity believers, or Anti-Jesus is NOT God. In 1960s the overseers just went off the tracks, they still believe in the Triune Godhead, just attend their Sunday Worship morning gathering and see it for themselves, all of the workers and the friends believe and worship God the Father, Christ partake the emblems and pray to the Holy Spirit. |
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