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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2024 20:17:42 GMT -5
I will keep on repeating until the 2x2s will see and understand the Truth of the Godhead. Sunday morning worship the Godhead and the 2x2 itinerant ministry was set up by the early days workers in 1900s to WORSHIP and glorify God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit! The original 2x2s were NOT anti-Trinity believers or Denying Jesus is NOT part of the Godhead. This way the whole world of Christianity will KNOW the 2x2s had NOT always been anti-Trinity believers, or Anti-Jesus is NOT God. In 1960s the overseers just went off the tracks, they still believe in the Triune Godhead, just attend their Sunday Worship morning gathering. I agree. Six lines is too much to have to read. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 20:54:33 GMT -5
I will keep on repeating until the 2x2s will see and understand the Truth of the Godhead. Sunday morning worship the Godhead and the 2x2 itinerant ministry was set up by the early days workers in 1900s to WORSHIP and glorify God the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit! The original 2x2s were NOT anti-Trinity believers or Denying Jesus is NOT part of the Godhead. This way the whole world of Christianity will KNOW the 2x2s had NOT always been anti-Trinity believers, or Anti-Jesus is NOT God. In 1960s the overseers just went off the tracks, they still believe in the Triune Godhead, just attend their Sunday Worship morning gathering. I agree. Six lines is too much to have to read. Well, you don’t need to read it, that’s for the 2x2s New readers so, they can do their own study on the subject.😁. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2024 20:56:22 GMT -5
I agree. Six lines is too much to have to read. Well, you don’t need to read it, that’s for the 2x2s New readers so, they can do their own study on the subject.😁. Say what? |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 20:56:35 GMT -5
What a broken record! You're more talker than listener by far. maryhig reminded you recently of the following message to the church at Sardis... Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. That was Jesus speaking the true believers, the angels, and the 24 elders will bow down and worship God the Feather and the Lamb of God who are sitting on their thrones in heaven. READ chapters 4-7. Jesus the Christ is part of the Godhead/Triune God from eternity to eternity! Jesus didn’t become God or the Son of God 2000 years ago! Jesus has always been God the I AM that I AM that spoke to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David, Solomon, the prophets, just like God the Father and the Holy Spirit had done. They are ETERNAL! |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 20:58:52 GMT -5
Well, you don’t need to read it, that’s for the 2x2s New readers so, they can do their own study on the subject.😁. Say what? I am using your posts to teach and inform others on different topics, just ignore me.👍 |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2024 21:34:53 GMT -5
I am using your posts to teach and inform others on different topics, just ignore me.👍 What narcissistic jerk. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 9, 2024 21:51:08 GMT -5
The reason most are leaving the church is the unfettered CSA and/or the shocking reaction to it by workers and friends. Most wouldn't know the T word if they fell over it. Some are rebelling against the man-made rules, and some against what they see as a false doctrine (The Living Witness). But the fact the bulk of the exits have occurred after Bruergate speaks volumes.
Your continual banging on about it is just like a dark's persistent barking at the moon.
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Post by Lee on Oct 9, 2024 21:59:00 GMT -5
Right. The idea of flying around in the clouds comes off goofy at first glance. Acts 1:11 also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. On the other hand, the rapture and resurrection may be just that visceral. In my life time I’ve had to deal with a lot of “the weird”. So it wouldn’t blow me away. Ah right ok, I see all that as spiritual not literal. My dad and I go round and round on that. We have different conceptions of reality as it relates to our respective eschatologies. They can’t both be true. Being “just a spirit” is a non reality IMO unless youre God himself. Despite Paul’s words to the apparent contrary (I Corinthians 2:9), my position is heaven can only be critically conceived by what we know it now. A life without a form in the manner of a body as we know it would be a life without boundaries. No bueno! Also, although Jesus was wrote of as passing seamlessly through walls, the story of his resurrection took pains to reveal he was a person, not [just] a spirit. Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 9, 2024 22:01:12 GMT -5
The reason most are leaving the church is the unfettered CSA and/or the shocking reaction to it by workers and friends. Most wouldn't know the T word if they fell over it. Some are rebelling against the man-made rules, and some against what they see as a false doctrine (The Living Witness). But the fact the bulk of the exits have occurred after Bruergate speaks volumes. Your continual banging on about it is just like a dark's persistent barking at the moon. Paul warned about people like Nathan. He gave us an example in the latter part of this verse. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 22:13:07 GMT -5
The reason most are leaving the church is the unfettered CSA and/or the shocking reaction to it by workers and friends. Most wouldn't know the T word if they fell over it. Some are rebelling against the man-made rules, and some against what they see as a false doctrine (The Living Witness). But the fact the bulk of the exits have occurred after Bruergate speaks volumes. Your continual banging on about it is just like a dark's persistent barking at the moon. 🤭You are NOT so smart for a guy, who wrote 3 Anti-2x2s books against the Truth of God. What you, BobW, the hard core 2x2s, the Witch and the hard core ex-2x2 atheists like Curly and good innocence 2x2s, and bad overseers and CSA abusers doing the last 75 years are fulfilling the prophetic scriptures of the GREAT fallen away prior to the 2nd Coming of Christ, which was foretold and predicted by Jesus in Matthew 24: 9-14. Prediction of the fallen away prior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming to rule and reign on the earth READ the apostle Paul prediction in II Thess 2:1-17 It is Satan who is the author and the instigator of the great fallen away! He is the one to started in the half-truth history of God’s truth as a LIE, it started by a man William Irvine in 1897, and refused for the LOVE of the TRUTH, for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe in a LIE. That they might be damned, who did NOT believe in the Truth, but had pleasures in unrighteousness/Wickedness. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 9, 2024 22:17:43 GMT -5
I think you have a mistaken identity there. I am not a book author.
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 22:20:52 GMT -5
I think you have a mistaken identity there. I am not a book author. Opps, sorry… I was thinking of BobW but that can including you in the post also, the good 2x2s that is being deceived in the great fallen away eventually you and fixed will come out of your closet soon just like Chuck. That is my opinion! Just let us Wait and see. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 9, 2024 22:23:45 GMT -5
Who says I am part of the falling away....is that not rather judgemental of you? You don't even know me
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 22:27:12 GMT -5
Who says I am part of the falling away....is that not rather judgemental of you? You don't even know me That is my own observation and opinion for you and fixed for many years I have known you two. So, let us wait and see, Time will tell/reveal the truth, eh. You two will be ex-2x2s, maybe both of you are already ex-2x2 in your hearts, just like Chuck, but afraid to come out of your closets. The truth will come out eventually. I have been saying/ predicting, educating and warn of this great fallen away among the 2x2s for over 20 year! on TMB…. Now, is coming to pass it means Jesus 2nd coming is can be in our own generation. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 9, 2024 22:45:13 GMT -5
Who says I am part of the falling away....is that not rather judgemental of you? You don't even know me That is my own observation and opinion for you and fixed for many years I have known you two. So, let us wait and see, Time will tell/reveal the truth, eh. You two will be ex-2x2s, maybe both of you are already ex-2x2 in your hearts, just like Chuck, but afraid to come out of your closets. The truth will come out eventually. If you think that the prophesy of a falling away being outlined in the world's most published book, pertained to a small church out of Ireland with less than 100,000 member worldwide, then you have a very skewed view of the Bible. |
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Post by fixit on Oct 9, 2024 23:00:27 GMT -5
Who says I am part of the falling away....is that not rather judgemental of you? You don't even know me There has been a falling away, but it's not you. Those who close their eyes and ears to the suffering of the abused have fallen away from the love of God. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 23:00:52 GMT -5
That is my own observation and opinion for you and fixed for many years I have known you two. So, let us wait and see, Time will tell/reveal the truth, eh. You two will be ex-2x2s, maybe both of you are already ex-2x2 in your hearts, just like Chuck, but afraid to come out of your closets. The truth will come out eventually. If you think that the prophesy of a falling away being outlined in the world's most published book, pertained to a small church out of Ireland with less than 100,000 member worldwide, then you have a very skewed view of the Bible. You don’t understand these things at all. It was all foretold by God to His true believers in Rev. chapters 11 and 12 Jesus 2x2 New Testament ministry and Church shall continue to the time of His 2nd coming. Read Matthew 24: 24-31. Satan has all false religions and false Christianity/RCC in the 2nd century and 60,000 plus Protestant denominations or daughters of the RCC in the 16th century to now are under his control. READ Rev. chapters 17-18, Satan doesn’t need to spend too much time to deceive them, he got them already. For the last 2000 years, Satan has spent most his time in destroying Jesus 2x2 ministry and His true Church Rev. 11 and 12 on the earth, because Can’t wipe them out. Jesus KNEW this so He wanted to reassured his apostles and TRUE believers in Matthew 16 Upon this Rock/teachings, the gates of HELL shall NOT able to conquer or to STOP it from reaching to all gentiles nations. After it reached to all gentiles nations, then come the end. Read Matthew 24:14. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 9, 2024 23:19:31 GMT -5
Who says I am part of the falling away....is that not rather judgemental of you? You don't even know me There has been a falling away, but it's not you. Those who close their eyes and ears to the suffering of the abused have fallen away from the love of God. There has always been a fallen away for the last 2000 years, we read that in the gospel John 6; and many of the epistles of the apostles through the centuries. Jesus and Paul foretold the great fallen away! to take place because Satan KNOWS his time is VERY short before Jesus returns so, Satan wants to get his last big swipe sickle of God’s people to take with him. Nope, NOT me! as a 2x2 fallen away, I see and understand too much of Jesus teachings and His prophecies of the future events and Because Paul had told us Satan is using these 2x2 abusers CSA, bad overseers and ex-workers, the hard core exes to cause the friends to jump ships! Go overboard into the icy cold 🥶 ocean and eventually in the lake of fire 🔥 to be with Satan, 1/3 fallen angels and his Illuminati evil rulers of this planet. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 9, 2024 23:56:36 GMT -5
Yes, Jesus paid the penalty for all sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I believe sin is forgiven when a believer repents.
Yes, I believe like mainstream Christianity, Jesus being sinless paid the price for sin on Calvary. Without the cross, there would be no life for anyone.
It is true, I don't believe a Christian who rejects his crucifixion is saved, because rejecting his sacrifice for sin leaves a person guilty of sin, and the 'wages of sin is death'.
Your sins aren't blotted-out until they are paid for, Jesus took your transgressions upon himself and suffered the consequences.
"Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors" (Isaiah 53:4-12).. Its not rocket science, its right there in black & white.
Wow.... So you're ok and off to heaven regardless of what you do, and everyone else who doesn't believe as you do is unsaved no matter what their heart is like. Ok thanks now I know how you see me and others and how judgemental you are. May God forgive you!
No need to get defensive, there is but one ultimate Judge, and it ain't me.. I don't think anyone will be condemned for something they don't understand.
All but one sin is forgivable, so I'm convinced any repentant sinner can obtain salvation. If this were not so, we're all screwed! I never suggested that a non-repentant hypocrite can sin at will and still get a free pass through the pearly gates.
Its not a matter of believing as I do, but believing what I quoted in Isaiah 53. Paraphrased; "The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.. thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.. he shall bear their iniquities". Hard to misinterpret that!
I don't mean to rehash this, its seems clear that you have trouble rectifying the need for a Saviors sacrifice, but simply stated, "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins." (Hebrews 9:22).
"Where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator" (Hebrews 9:16). Just prior to his execution, Jesus himself said,, "This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28). His life and example did not nullify sin, nor does your ability to follow him erase your transgressions. The curse of the law (sin=death) was satisfied when he took our sins upon himself. A sinner trying to wash themselves of sin in like taking a mud bath, only the sinless sacrificial Lamb of God could satisfy the law.
"He took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me" (1 Corinthians 11:25). I hope you'll reconsider what Christ did for you, his 6 agonizing hours on the cross is what he wanted you to remember, because through his blood he paved the path to eternal life.
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Post by fixit on Oct 10, 2024 4:07:05 GMT -5
Jesus the Christ is part of the Godhead/Triune God from eternity to eternity! Jesus didn’t become God or the Son of God 2000 years ago! Jesus has always been God the I AM that I AM that spoke to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David, Solomon, the prophets, just like God the Father and the Holy Spirit had done. They are ETERNAL! They? So you're a polytheist. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 10, 2024 5:24:56 GMT -5
Jesus the Christ is part of the Godhead/Triune God from eternity to eternity! Jesus didn’t become God or the Son of God 2000 years ago! Jesus has always been God the I AM that I AM that spoke to Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David, Solomon, the prophets, just like God the Father and the Holy Spirit had done. They are ETERNAL! They? So you're a polytheist. Yes! It’s THEY NOT a Polytheist Godhead NOT Monotheist El/single God. The KJV Bible translators made the mistakes when they translated into the English language. They didn’t explain the Word God/El is singular; and the the word God/Elohim is plural. They just translated God. They tried to explain the different the of the plural Godhead by translating the LORD/God the Father and Lord/Christ as Adonai in Ps. 110:1-2. King David said the LORD said unto my Lord/Christ sit thou at my right hand until I make thy enemies for your footstool. The word El/God is singular for God but in Genesis 1:26; Elohim God is used, God/ELOHIM/Plural more than 1 but 3 Supreme beings in ONE Godhead. 1) Genesis 1:26 the Word God there is Elohim/plural Godhead= God the Father, Christ God and the Holy Spirit God, said to one another, “ Let us Create man in Our imagine and in Our Likeness!” 2) In Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God/El Christ said, “ Behold man has become ONE of US to KNOW good and Evil…” Paul wrote in Philippians 2:5-12 Christ Jesus being in the form of God… That At the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE shall bow and tongue shall confess in heaven, under the earth and on the earth Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of the Father. Hebrews 1:8-12 God said to the Son, “Thy throne, O God is forever… and thou Lord, in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of thy hands. Christ God the Lord, was the Co-Creator of the Universe With God the Father of Adam/Eve and ALL mankind/ Neanderthals and so on. Coll 2:9 For in Him/Christ dwells ALL the Fullness of the Godhead bodily. 3) In Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God/Elohim/plural Created the heaven and the earth… And the Spirit of God move upon the water. In acts 5:4 Peter said to Ananias and his wife, “Why has Satan filled your hearts to LIE to the Holy Ghost/Spirit to keep back part of the money for the land? Thou has NOT lie unto men But God /El. John the apostle wrote in I John 5: 7-8 For there are THREE that bear record in heaven God, Christ the Word God read John 1:1-3; Rev. 19:3 and the Holy Spirit. |
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Post by Annan on Oct 10, 2024 5:28:54 GMT -5
PERFORMING MY WATCHMAN DUTIES FOR ANY NEWBIE TO THE FORUM READING NATHAN’S POSTS. WHY NATHAN IS A LYING HYPOCRITE…Nathan is NOT a worker. NATHAN WAS DRIVEN OUT OF THE WORK FOR NOT HAVING A SUBMISSIVE SPIRIT. Nathan was too cowardly to let others know he was leaving the work and so he ran away from a special meeting where he was scheduled to speak. Nathan’s own wife and son do not profess. Nathan married his non-professing wife despite the workers’ objections and SCRIPTURE COMMANDS NOT TO BE YOKED WITH AN UNBELIEVER. Nathan claims certain workers SHOULD BE HUNG as he says they preach false 2x2 doctrine. Nathan teaches doctrine contrary to what the workers teach. NATHAN IS A SELF-APPOINTED WORKER INTERNET TROLL. Nathan was put in time out because he says the British Royal Family are evil alien reptilians and had Princess Diana killed. Nathan claims everything he says is true but provides no proof. NATHAN DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THAT HE CAN’T PROVE THE BIBLE BY QUOTING THE BIBLE no matter how many times this has been pointed out to him. Nathan was NOT born and bred in the cult. He is without understanding of what others have suffered at the hands of a lying and controlling cult. Nathan constantly spouts lies about the origins of the cult when there is paramount proof this is not true. Nathan wants what he believes to be true to the point that he adds to the scriptures and tells out and out lies! Nathan is NOT a 2x2 but a 1x1 preaching science fiction and FRANK STRANGES FAKE DEAD SEA SCROLLS GOSPEL AND JESUS LIVES IN VENUS. Nathan has NOT gone to Sunday morning meetings for years as he works at a gas station he says he sold. Nathan posts continuously online at work leaving his poor wife to shoulder the burden. Nathan also posts continuously at home abandoning his wife and child. NATHAN SHOWS NO FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT, ONLY UGLINESS AND CONDEMNATION. When backed into a corner, Nathan keeps saying “let’s agree to disagree” then NATHAN TRASHES AND DEMEANS THOSE THAT DON’T AGREE WITH HIS DELUSIONS AND SCIENCE FICTION. And then there’s the plagiarism! NATHAN IS THE FATHER OF LIES. NATHAN IGNORES JESUS’S WORDS OF MARK 6:11 THAT SAYS, “AND IF ANY PLACE WILL NOT WELCOME YOU OR LISTEN TO YOU, LEAVE THAT PLACE AND SHAKE THE DUST OFF YOUR FEET AS A TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM.” Nathan refuses to answer as to why he ignores Jesus’s commands. NATHAN CLAIMS HE IS LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT CANNOT AND WILL NOT EXPLAIN WHY THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS OTHERS TO CONCLUSIONS THAT DO NOT MATCH NATHAN’S DELUSIONS. WHAT OTHERS THINK OF NATHAN “Christians do not post on this board because it is not a good place where Christians can be heard and respected due to you attacking them. You even attack your elders who post on here so that they don't post Scriptural things on here anymore. You present a false Gospel. You only praise people who tolerate your behavior.” “I do not post Christian things because of your attacks and false beliefs. It's your way or no way. YOU'VE TURNED THE BOARD INTO A HORRIBLE PLACE BY TAKING IT OVER WITH YOUR ATTACKS AND BEHAVIOR TOWARDS OTHERS AND YOUR CLAIMS THAT YOU ARE RIGHT AND OTHERS WRONG.” “You are so far off the mark with your behavior and beliefs that this board is not safe or pleasant. You accept no correction from others. I'm not sure what will wake you up. You have no respect for anyone except to praise those who support your poor behavior. You seem blind to truth.” “Much of what you post on the board shows an inability to know truth from error, fact from fiction. Your inability to respond to people in a respectful manner and support of Wally's behavior shows how far from reality you have become.” “False preachers take the easy way and preach to an audience that doesn’t want to hear their falseness. Get some guts and preach the trinity to your church and preach to people LIVE - it ain’t a living sermon when you’re doing it on the internet. It’s not God that is behind any of that sh-, it’s 100% purely the devil that you worship in the name of God. Are you so yellow bellied and two faced that you only preach the trinity on here? Are you drilling it into the 2x2s heads too! And what about all those workers whose doctrines are wrong? You don’t care enough about their soups to preach your illusions to them too? You are one massive hypocrite. More than any atheist or anyone else. Disgusting.” “You are delusional Nathan and wasted 20 years on here feeding your obsessions and internet addiction and try to make excuses for it. You have tried to destroy this board, with your delusions, given the fellowship and Christianity a bad name. Used the Bible as a tool for evil and not good. Your Gospel is false. Your posts prove what you preach and post on here are false. Stop making excuses for feeding your internet addiction. You are not special. You have not been sent here by God. Your posts reveal that you are unable to discern truth from error, fact from false, and delusions from reality. Wake up. You have strayed so far from the Bible and tried to mix your own delusions into it. You quote scripture which are nothing to do with what you post.” “Like others who rarely come to this board anymore because you have taken over and tried to destroy it, I too think what is the point in being here. It is an unhealthy place. It feeds your unhealthy obsessions. Better to let you live in your own little fantasy world. You do a good job of exposing yourself more every day. You take no notice of others who try and point out your errors, you're too far gone and stubborn to listen or understand how wrong you are.” READ ALL ABOUT IT!! LYING HYPOCRITE NATHAN! professing.proboards.com/thread/31236/nathan-liarMORE ABOUT NATIE ** Stop treating us like we know nothing, Natie. We were born and raised in the cult. You weren't. We know the scriptures as well as you do. We weren't born yesterday. Some of us know how to look beyond the child pedophile workers and seek the truth. If the workers are teaching false doctrine, then they are a false way. If you claim to be a 2x2, you must adhere to the teachings of the workers, not what you claim the holy spit teaches you. You are NOT a 2x2 no matter how much you pretend to be. You can't change the system. Give it up, Natie.
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 10, 2024 6:11:40 GMT -5
The reason most are leaving the church is the unfettered CSA and/or the shocking reaction to it by workers and friends. Most wouldn't know the T word if they fell over it. Some are rebelling against the man-made rules, and some against what they see as a false doctrine (The Living Witness). But the fact the bulk of the exits have occurred after Bruergate speaks volumes. Your continual banging on about it is just like a dark's persistent barking at the moon. 🤭Opps! Sorry. I meant Bob/You are NOT so smart for a guy, who wrote 3 Anti-2x2s books against the Truth of God. BobW, the hard core 2x2s, the LYING Witch/Ananas atheist born and raised in the 2x2, and the hard core ex-2x2 atheists like Curly and good innocence 2x2s, and bad overseers and CSA abusers doing the last 75 years are fulfilling the prophetic scriptures of the GREAT fallen away prior to the 2nd Coming of Christ, which was foretold and predicted by Jesus in Matthew 24: 9-14. Prediction of the fallen away prior to the time of Jesus 2nd coming to rule and reign on the earth READ the apostle Paul prediction in II Thess 2:1-17 It is Satan who is the author and the instigator of the great fallen away! He is the one to started in the half-truth history of God’s truth as a LIE, it started by a man William Irvine in 1897, and refused for the LOVE of the TRUTH, for this reason God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe in a LIE. That they might be damned, who did NOT believe in the Truth, but had pleasures in unrighteousness and Wickedness. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 10, 2024 7:44:14 GMT -5
See, you're going all around the world again, because again you've added to what's in the bible putting words that aren't there. That's why you can't print chapter and verse of what you said like I asked you too, because it isn't written how you've said it, yet again! So again, simply where is this exactly as you've written it, in the bible? As you are saying it's here. Quote Nathan: It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. Yes, I put it there on purpose so, when the readers read those verses, they can see it clearly what Paul was writing, talking and saying. 👍 Dan, Mountain had posted some of the most powerful Verses in Isiah 53 that explained or supported Paul’s writings in I Cor 1: 18-26. But Paul didn't say that Nathan, he didn't say what you are saying. Can you show me chapter and verse please? It's a simple question? Again where is this in the bible as you have written it here below? It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. I've gone through the verses that you have mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1 and what you have written isn't there? So where is it? |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 10, 2024 7:51:02 GMT -5
Yes and that's the truth, and here's Jesus preaching the cross and it's foolishness to those that perish. Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. Matthew 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. The word that Jesus preached is the gospel and this is the cross he preached about and to those who are being saved it's the power of God. Because we are willing to lose our lives in this world to save it, because we love God, have faith in him and put him first in our lives, and deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow Jesus in word and deed. This is for Nathan too, this is the true cross of Christ Nathan. There is a literal Cross that Jesus had to DIE to pay for our sins against the Godhead. There is a spiritual Cross we have to bear for being followers of Jesus, reject and making fun of by the unbelievers, reject by our non-believers for putting God’s will and plans before them. Denying our own fleshly lust, desires and plans for God’s plans for our lives, which we don’t want to do, but it brings the best results at the end. These are spiritual crosses we must bear daily that Jesus is talking about. We must KNOW and discern when it’s literal and when is spiritual, if we mixed it up it can be dangerous, believing/teaching a different gospel of Jesus Christ. You just collect verses together which goes the opposite direction of what Jesus had taught! That is NOT correctly interpreted the scriptures. You speak of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and you're telling me that it's dangerous to preach a different gospel of Jesus Christ. Ok then show me where Jesus himself preached that we must believe that he is going to die on the cross to save us. And if we don't believe that he is going to die on the cross to save us then we won't be saved? Where is this in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Which is where the Christ preached the gospel that we are to follow. Everyone else after him is supposed to preach the gospel that he preached with no add ons. So can you show me chapter and verse where Jesus himself said we must believe that he is going to die on the cross, for us to be saved? Thank you. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 10, 2024 8:15:14 GMT -5
Wow.... So you're ok and off to heaven regardless of what you do, and everyone else who doesn't believe as you do is unsaved no matter what their heart is like. Ok thanks now I know how you see me and others and how judgemental you are. May God forgive you!
No need to get defensive, there is but one ultimate Judge, and it ain't me.. I don't think anyone will be condemned for something they don't understand.
All but one sin is forgivable, so I'm convinced any repentant sinner can obtain salvation. If this were not so, we're all screwed! I never suggested that a non-repentant hypocrite can sin at will and still get a free pass through the pearly gates.
Its not a matter of believing as I do, but believing what I quoted in Isaiah 53. Paraphrased; "The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.. thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.. he shall bear their iniquities". Hard to misinterpret that!
I don't mean to rehash this, its seems clear that you have trouble rectifying the need for a Saviors sacrifice, but simply stated, "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins." (Hebrews 9:22).
"Where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator" (Hebrews 9:16). Just prior to his execution, Jesus himself said,, "This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28). His life and example did not nullify sin, nor does your ability to follow him erase your transgressions. The curse of the law (sin=death) was satisfied when he took our sins upon himself. A sinner trying to wash themselves of sin in like taking a mud bath, only the sinless sacrificial Lamb of God could satisfy the law.
"He took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me" (1 Corinthians 11:25). I hope you'll reconsider what Christ did for you, his 6 agonizing hours on the cross is what he wanted you to remember, because through his blood he paved the path to eternal life.
I thought you didn't judge anyone? So what's this then? Quote: mackin75 It is true, I don't believe a Christian who rejects his crucifixion is saved, because rejecting his sacrifice for sin leaves a person guilty of sin, and the 'wages of sin is death'. That sure looks like judging to me? By the way, when Jesus said to take this cup, he said to drink it in remembrance of him. Not of him dying on the cross. It's to remember him, and I remember him, his life and the sacrifice he made when he laid down his life to live by the will of God and bring us the gospel. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 10, 2024 10:45:48 GMT -5
Yes, I put it there on purpose so, when the readers read those verses, they can see it clearly what Paul was writing, talking and saying. 👍 Dan, Mountain had posted some of the most powerful Verses in Isiah 53 that explained or supported Paul’s writings in I Cor 1: 18-26. But Paul didn't say that Nathan, he didn't say what you are saying. Can you show me chapter and verse please? It's a simple question? Again where is this in the bible as you have written it here below? It pleased God by preaching the message Jesus DIED on Calvary to SAVE them that are SAVED. I've gone through the verses that you have mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1 and what you have written isn't there? So where is it? Are you that slow naturally and spiritually speaking that you are NOT able to see and understand what Paul wrote in 1) I Cor. 1:18-26. And it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching of the CROSS to SAVE them that believe it’s the Power and Wisdom of God. 2) Compare to Jesus teachings in John 3:14-16 And as Moses lifted up the serpent pole in the Wilderness even so MUST the Son be lifted Up! (DIED on Calvary Cross), that whosoever believe on him shall receive ETERNAL life. 3) Jesus both, life, death on Calvary Cross to save and redeemed mortal sinners was planned before the foundation of the world Read I Peter 1: 19-20 and the book of Isiah 53 foretold of the purpose of his life from birth and his death on the CROSS to redeem or SAVE us sinners / whose names are NOT written in the book of life= which means eternal Second death/ Separate from God’s presence forever. Revelation chapter 20. Jesus said to the Pharisees! You are NOT MY Sheep so you can’t understand and HEAR My Voice/teachings. My sheep hear MY Voice and they believe in MY words/teachings Read John 10. Why aren’t you believe stubbornly NOT in believing in Jesus, the Old Testament and apostles teachings? You read these verses posted before you but it seems you are so blind to JESUS life, Blood and His Death on Calvary can’t Redeem you totally100%. Many on here Dan, Mountain, SharonW, Reborn, Lee, Wally, Dennis J. Mary, myself and many others have tried for many years! On TMB. It seems you are believing, teaching in a different gospel that Jesus Death on the CROSS doesn’t save me, but I believe in Him. You got the cart before the horse. This type of teachings is very dangerous because it’s condemned by God for Eternity READ what Paul wrote in Galatians 1:8-9. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 10, 2024 11:15:42 GMT -5
No need to get defensive, there is but one ultimate Judge, and it ain't me.. I don't think anyone will be condemned for something they don't understand.
All but one sin is forgivable, so I'm convinced any repentant sinner can obtain salvation. If this were not so, we're all screwed! I never suggested that a non-repentant hypocrite can sin at will and still get a free pass through the pearly gates.
Its not a matter of believing as I do, but believing what I quoted in Isaiah 53. Paraphrased; "The Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.. thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.. he shall bear their iniquities". Hard to misinterpret that!
I don't mean to rehash this, its seems clear that you have trouble rectifying the need for a Saviors sacrifice, but simply stated, "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins." (Hebrews 9:22).
"Where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator" (Hebrews 9:16). Just prior to his execution, Jesus himself said,, "This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28). His life and example did not nullify sin, nor does your ability to follow him erase your transgressions. The curse of the law (sin=death) was satisfied when he took our sins upon himself. A sinner trying to wash themselves of sin in like taking a mud bath, only the sinless sacrificial Lamb of God could satisfy the law.
"He took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me" (1 Corinthians 11:25). I hope you'll reconsider what Christ did for you, his 6 agonizing hours on the cross is what he wanted you to remember, because through his blood he paved the path to eternal life.
I thought you didn't judge anyone? So what's this then? Quote: mackin75 It is true, I don't believe a Christian who rejects his crucifixion is saved, because rejecting his sacrifice for sin leaves a person guilty of sin, and the 'wages of sin is death'. That sure looks like judging you me? By the way, when Jesus said to take this cup, he said to drink it in remembrance of him. Not of him dying on the cross. It's to remember him, and I remember him, his life and the sacrifice he made when he laid down his life to live by the will of God and bring us the gospel. Jesus own words and teachings will either SAVE you or condemned and Judged you. It seems you believe and teach a half-Truth gospel Read John 3:10-21. Once you don’t understand the Godhead’s function and each Divine Person of the Godhead role in our Salvation then your teachings and preaching is NOT fully complete and understandable. You or anyone can copy and paste these verses on here so the readers can read it. I can’t copy and paste verses on my IPhone, because the Adm. and his moderators restricted me from copy and paste on my registered main 🖥️ Thanks! Paul encouraged Timothy to Preach, teach and interpret the scriptures correctly because it will SAVE his own life/soul and the lives of those who listen to the gospel of Christ that he presented to the hearers. Paul cast two teachers or apostles to Satan for teachings false doctrines for saying the Resurrection already happened and made shipwrecked of Jesus followers’ faith, in God and Christ. I Timothy 2:19-20; II Timothy 4:1-4; II Tim. 2:15-19. |
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