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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 7, 2024 18:21:21 GMT -5
I am not going to get into the Trinitarian argument, suffice to see that the workers cannot agree. Some have tacitly acknowledged it, others like Rob Newman and ELdon Tenniswood emphatically deny it.
What I do see on here though, is that Mary displays a nice sincere and devout persona and does not use scripture to condemn people.
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 7, 2024 18:34:12 GMT -5
It wasn’t the RCC in the 3rd century! The concept of the Triune God or the Trinity/Godhead is Eternal, it revealed to the humans in Genesis 1:26 God/Elohim/plural said “Let Us created man in Our Image and Likeness.” to the book of Revelation chapters 4-7. Jesus teaches the Triune God in the gospel John 13-17 God the Father, Himself and the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:16-20. The apostle John teaches the Triune God in 1John 5:7-8. In the 2nd century the next generation of the apostles, who coined the word “ TRINITY” to describe the Triune God/the Godhead. The RCC in the 3rd century and Constantine emperor accepted the The Trinity/Godhead/Triune God as the Church doctrines. HAHA You're so transparent. Now I know where you got all your arguments about this. I got many sources of information from many places NOT just gotquestion.com, most came from revelation by God and early church 2nd Century history teachings .👍 It took me over 40 years of studying these for myself, I learned the basic of the Godhead from a 2x2 worker Leo Stancliff and the rest from God, Christ and the Holy Spirit revelation. READ IJohn 2:27 The Holy Spirit in you shall TEACH YOU in all things. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 7, 2024 18:47:17 GMT -5
I am not going to get into the Trinitarian argument, suffice to see that the workers cannot agree. Some have tacitly acknowledged it, others like Rob Newman and ELdon Tenniswood emphatically deny it. What I do see on here though, is that Mary displays a nice sincere and devout persona and does not use scripture to condemn people. 🤭🥱I say Dan, Wally, Reborn, Tulip2, Mary, SharonW, Denis Jacobsen and many others through the years have done a wonderful job in sharing their knowledge on the Godhead, Triune God, Jesus is God with scriptures to back it up their belief in good and nice manners. |
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Post by Lee on Oct 7, 2024 19:37:28 GMT -5
Im trinitarian as the word has meaning today. The reality of living in a world subject to Jesus wont be fully apparent until it happens. Until what happens? I Thessalonians 4:13-18 |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 7, 2024 19:39:26 GMT -5
HAHA You're so transparent. Now I know where you got all your arguments about this. I got many sources of information from many places NOT just gotquestion.com, most came from revelation by God and early church 2nd Century history teachings .👍 It took me over 40 years of studying these for myself, I learned the basic of the Godhead from a 2x2 worker Leo Stancliff and the rest from God, Christ and the Holy Spirit revelation. READ IJohn 2:27 The Holy Spirit in you shall TEACH YOU in all things. I know too much about where you got your training. It only gets more screwy the more I hear. I wouldn't use Leo Stancliff for a recommendation, either. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 7, 2024 19:53:58 GMT -5
I got many sources of information from many places NOT just gotquestion.com, most came from revelation by God and early church 2nd Century history teachings .👍 It took me over 40 years of studying these for myself, I learned the basic of the Godhead from a 2x2 worker Leo Stancliff and the rest from God, Christ and the Holy Spirit revelation. READ IJohn 2:27 The Holy Spirit in you shall TEACH YOU in all things. I know too much about where you got your training. It only gets more screwy the more I hear. I wouldn't use Leo Stancliff for a recommendation, either. Why was Stancliffe sent overseas? |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 7, 2024 20:47:18 GMT -5
I got many sources of information from many places NOT just gotquestion.com, most came from revelation by God and early church 2nd Century history teachings .👍 It took me over 40 years of studying these for myself, I learned the basic of the Godhead from a 2x2 worker Leo Stancliff and the rest from God, Christ and the Holy Spirit revelation. READ IJohn 2:27 The Holy Spirit in you shall TEACH YOU in all things. I know too much about where you got your training. It only gets more screwy the more I hear. I wouldn't use Leo Stancliff for a recommendation, either. Dan, Wally, Reborn, SharonW, Denis Jacobson, myself and many on here through the years are NOT screwy, It’s you and the workers and friends believe the Triune God or the Trinity is the doctrine of the devils. However, you and most 2x2s for 75 years worship the Triune God every Sunday morning praying 🙏 singing hymns of worship, given thanks for the emblems of Jesus like, death and sacrifices, don’t even understand that! Talking about screwy.🤭 |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 7, 2024 20:48:35 GMT -5
I know too much about where you got your training. It only gets more screwy the more I hear. I wouldn't use Leo Stancliff for a recommendation, either. Why was Stancliffe sent overseas? Better yet, why was he sent back to California? The most egotistical worker who ever walked. Bragged to me once about his skill in excommunicating people. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 7, 2024 20:52:46 GMT -5
I know too much about where you got your training. It only gets more screwy the more I hear. I wouldn't use Leo Stancliff for a recommendation, either. Dan, Wally, Reborn, SharonW, Denis Jacobson, myself and many on here through the years are NOT screwy, It’s you and the workers and friends believe the Triune God or the Trinity is the doctrine of the devils. However, you and most 2x2s for 75 years worship the Triune God every Sunday morning praying 🙏 singing hymns of worship, given thanks for the emblems of Jesus like, death and sacrifices, don’t even understand that! Talking about screwy.🤭 Like hell I did. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 7, 2024 21:02:57 GMT -5
Why was Stancliffe sent overseas? Better yet, why was he sent back to California? The most egotistical worker who ever walked. Bragged to me once about his skill in excommunicating people. Leo Stancliff spent many years labor in the Philippines islands! He was a tough missionary, he went to open churches, where there are no friends like Guam, Ponape, and Saipan. The friends from the Philippines came to Guam to have opened home for the workers in 1960s. Another worker name Harry H. and other workers came from the States to join him to labored those 3 islands. They established churches on those islands, he stayed in those islands for 20 years mainly on the island of Guam, where I met Leo and Larry in 1978. I left the island of Guam in 1980 and I offered the work to him. I came to live Seattle, Washington after that he came back to California staff. I met him a few times back in the States until the time of his death in 2000s. Do you know something about Leo the reason he was called back to the States that I don’t know about? Leo was well loved by many, especially the young people, he took us students at the college out to McDonald after the Bible studies on campus. He was always available to us if we need questions we don’t understand from the Bible or family issues. My brother and I saw the workers and their batch 5 times week. You can’t do that in the States! You are lucky if they come to stay in your home 2 times a in a year. He is very skillful in dealing with people, his methods might be different to certain people, but he is very approachable and want to help the lambs and sheep. I follow his caring, feeding the Lams and sheep when I was in the work even after I left the work. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 7, 2024 21:04:04 GMT -5
Dan, Wally, Reborn, SharonW, Denis Jacobson, myself and many on here through the years are NOT screwy, It’s you and the workers and friends believe the Triune God or the Trinity is the doctrine of the devils. However, you and most 2x2s for 75 years worship the Triune God every Sunday morning praying 🙏 singing hymns of worship, given thanks for the emblems of Jesus like, death and sacrifices, don’t even understand that! Talking about screwy.🤭 Like hell I did. Can you elaborate by what you mean? Please, don’t take the Fifth, please. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 7, 2024 21:11:32 GMT -5
I doubt that a believer would perish for not being able to comprehend a triune Godhead. I imagine a person can believe and follow what Christ taught without recognizing who he was. The trinity is a difficult concept for many to grasp. Not believing that Jesus is our Savior and redeemer via his sacrifice would be troublesome though, Maryhig doesn't believe salvation has anything to do with Christ, she's convinced she can justify herself and qualify for heaven on her own.
Woah... don't you dare change what I say! Where did I say salvation has nothing to do with Christ? And that I can justify myself and qualify for heaven on my own. I have never ever said those things, you've totally made that up about me. What I have said is that I don't believe that the death of Jesus that saves, but it's the life of Christ Jesus that saves, life saves, death saves no-one. I have never ever said that Christ doesn't save. Without him, I wouldn't even know God. And there's no way I can justify myself, I know I'm nothing before God and I don't even know if I qualify for heaven yet so that's wrong what you are saying. I believe in what Jesus says, that we are to endure to the end to be saved. Only God knows who will be going to heaven, I leave all that in his hands, I trust in him and live by his will as best as I can daily with his help, and through Christ and I leave my life in his hands. And I leave where I'm going when I die to him. Don't make things up about me please!
I simply summarized what you seem to believe, I wasn't quoting you verbatim. You believe that your guilty of sin, but you also believe that you can rectify that yourself. Everyone is guilty of sin and "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23), but if Jesus didn't absolve anyone of sin, then no one qualifies for heaven.
You wrote, "I don't believe that the death of Jesus saves" and then you wrote, There's no way I can justify myself". So I was simply stipulating that without a Savior who sacrificed himself for the remission of our sins, which you've rejected, then your redemption is based on self-reliance and dependent on your own abilities and works. Isn't that fundamentally the correct assessment?
I'm not saying that good works and enduring to the end don't factor into a persons ultimate reward, but the ticket to paradise was only satisfied in and by Christ himself.
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Post by fixit on Oct 7, 2024 22:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 7, 2024 22:17:19 GMT -5
Practically speaking, a doctrine of atonement ameliorates the conflict of interest that potentially arises in an individual's quest for salvation. Exercised and or appropriated responsibly, the doctrine of atonement neutralizes bias from the science of salvation.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2024 2:15:26 GMT -5
So you see that as literal? Jesus is going to come floating on a cloud out of the sky blowing a trumpet and people are literally going to jump out of graves in the ground? If it's not on this earth, where is it? |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2024 2:15:41 GMT -5
I am not going to get into the Trinitarian argument, suffice to see that the workers cannot agree. Some have tacitly acknowledged it, others like Rob Newman and ELdon Tenniswood emphatically deny it. What I do see on here though, is that Mary displays a nice sincere and devout persona and does not use scripture to condemn people. 🤭🥱I say Dan, Wally, Reborn, Tulip2, Mary, SharonW, Denis Jacobsen and many others through the years have done a wonderful job in sharing their knowledge on the Godhead, Triune God, Jesus is God with scriptures to back it up their belief in good and nice manners. Shame it's not right! |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2024 2:20:35 GMT -5
Sorry, I definitely don't see that as you do. Dan, SharonW, Wally, myself and others on here don’t see as you do for years on this triune Godhead, Jesus the Christ is an Eternal God like God the Father and God the Holy Spirit Acts 5:1-5. You do see things differently than the rest of us like Jesus Death on the cross doesn’t SAVE us but his life. We as 2x2s believe Jesus death on Calvary’s paid the ransom price for our sins, without His death there is no forgiveness of sins. Hebrews 9:12-15. His life or teachings guide us to be more like Him in actions, goodness, compassion, to be merciful, kindness more of the fruits of the spirit in our lives, to show we are His. You see many events when you can’t understand are spiritually like the 2nd Coming of Jesus in the clouds with ten thousands of His saints, and others events NOT actual events to take place on earth. It seems you get your spiritual and NOT spiritual things and events mixed up. You need death to save you, I don't, I need life to save me. Jesus is saving me by his life. And he saved in his lifetime, no death needed. How did Jesus dying in the cross save you? What are you saved from by Jesus being brutally murdered by evil men? Or as Jesus puts it, by the power of darkness? You do realise that human sacrifice is an abomination to the living God don't you? |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2024 2:39:24 GMT -5
Woah... don't you dare change what I say! Where did I say salvation has nothing to do with Christ? And that I can justify myself and qualify for heaven on my own. I have never ever said those things, you've totally made that up about me. What I have said is that I don't believe that the death of Jesus that saves, but it's the life of Christ Jesus that saves, life saves, death saves no-one. I have never ever said that Christ doesn't save. Without him, I wouldn't even know God. And there's no way I can justify myself, I know I'm nothing before God and I don't even know if I qualify for heaven yet so that's wrong what you are saying. I believe in what Jesus says, that we are to endure to the end to be saved. Only God knows who will be going to heaven, I leave all that in his hands, I trust in him and live by his will as best as I can daily with his help, and through Christ and I leave my life in his hands. And I leave where I'm going when I die to him. Don't make things up about me please!
I simply summarized what you seem to believe, I wasn't quoting you verbatim. You believe that your guilty of sin, but you also believe that you can rectify that yourself. Everyone is guilty of sin and "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23), but if Jesus didn't absolve anyone of sin, then no one qualifies for heaven.
You wrote, "I don't believe that the death of Jesus saves" and then you wrote, There's no way I can justify myself". So I was simply stipulating that without a Savior who sacrificed himself for the remission of our sins, which you've rejected, then your redemption is based on self-reliance and dependent on your own abilities and works. Isn't that fundamentally the correct assessment?
I'm not saying that good works and enduring to the end don't factor into a persons ultimate reward, but the ticket to paradise was only satisfied in and by Christ himself.
I don't believe I can rectify my sins on my own, I have never ever said that, you keep making things up about me. I need God to help me and I can only do it through Christ Jesus. I can't overcome without God, satan is too strong for me. The wages of sin is death, but that's not literal death, that's being dead to God. Sin separates us from God thus making us dead to him. If you are buried in a natural grave, can you see the light of the outside world and what's above? Can you see the life? No, because you are dead in a grave. And that's the same spiritually in God, if you are dead to God then you are separated by the lusts of the flesh and the pleasures of this life, and you can't see his light and you can't see his life, because you are dead to him and that is the death that sin brings, you're alive in this world alright, but dead to God. For everything literal there is a spiritual and Jesus uses many things that are natural to make parables which have deeper spiritual meanings. Paul did the same. And, you have got me all wrong again. And I do believe that Jesus was a sacrifice, but he was a living sacrifice, sacrificing his whole life to bare witness to the truth and bring us the true way to follow back to God. And if you want to judge me as being unsaved because I don't believe that Jesus had to be murdered to save us, then go ahead. But remember this, as you judge me, God judges you and you don't know my life! |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2024 2:40:54 GMT -5
Practically speaking, a doctrine of atonement ameliorates the conflict of interest that potentially arises in an individual's quest for salvation. Exercised and or appropriated responsibly, the doctrine of atonement neutralizes bias from the science of salvation. Blimey, I'm a simple woman. Can you simplify that for me please? Thank you. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 8, 2024 2:50:17 GMT -5
Practically speaking, a doctrine of atonement ameliorates the conflict of interest that potentially arises in an individual's quest for salvation. Exercised and or appropriated responsibly, the doctrine of atonement neutralizes bias from the science of salvation. Blimey, I'm a simple woman. Can you simplify that for me please? Thank you. Perhaps some salad dressing would help Lee's word salad go down? |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2024 2:51:52 GMT -5
Blimey, I'm a simple woman. Can you simplify that for me please? Thank you. Perhaps some salad dressing would help Lee's word salad go down? No thanks, I like it plain and simple no fancy add ons 😊 |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 8, 2024 3:07:51 GMT -5
Perhaps some salad dressing would help Lee's word salad go down? No thanks, I like it plain and simple no fancy add ons 😊 I eat a lot of salads. Lots of raw vege's with maybe a dash of vinegar. I find the salad that Lee offers is quite toxic and something that would not be beneficial to my health. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2024 3:13:25 GMT -5
No thanks, I like it plain and simple no fancy add ons 😊 I eat a lot of salads. Lots of raw vege's with maybe a dash of vinegar. I find the salad that Lee offers is quite toxic and something that would not be beneficial to my health. I don't even understand his ingredients so his recipe is way over my head! 😄😉 |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 8, 2024 3:31:31 GMT -5
Dan, SharonW, Wally, myself and others on here don’t see as you do for years on this triune Godhead, Jesus the Christ is an Eternal God like God the Father and God the Holy Spirit Acts 5:1-5. You do see things differently than the rest of us like Jesus Death on the cross doesn’t SAVE us but his life. We as 2x2s believe Jesus death on Calvary’s paid the ransom price for our sins, without His death there is no forgiveness of sins. Hebrews 9:12-15. His life or teachings guide us to be more like Him in actions, goodness, compassion, to be merciful, kindness more of the fruits of the spirit in our lives, to show we are His. You see many events when you can’t understand are spiritually like the 2nd Coming of Jesus in the clouds with ten thousands of His saints, and others events NOT actual events to take place on earth. It seems you get your spiritual and NOT spiritual things and events mixed up. You need death to save you, I don't, I need life to save me. Jesus is saving me by his life. And he saved in his lifetime, no death needed. How did Jesus dying in the cross save you? What are you saved from by Jesus being brutally murdered by evil men? Or as Jesus puts it, by the power of darkness? You do realise that human sacrifice is an abomination to the living God don't you? Well, that is your opinion, we read it for many years on TMB, that is NOT according to the Scriptures and the will and plans of God. READ I Peter 1: 18-21 We were “REDEEMED” by the precious BLOOD 🩸 of Christ, who was ORDAIN or chosen before the creation of the world but reveal in these last time for you. Through Him you believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; your hope and faith might be in God. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2024 4:34:00 GMT -5
You need death to save you, I don't, I need life to save me. Jesus is saving me by his life. And he saved in his lifetime, no death needed. How did Jesus dying in the cross save you? What are you saved from by Jesus being brutally murdered by evil men? Or as Jesus puts it, by the power of darkness? You do realise that human sacrifice is an abomination to the living God don't you? Well, that is your opinion, we read it for many years on TMB, that is NOT according to the Scriptures and the will and plans of God. READ I Peter 1: 18-21 We were “REDEEMED” by the precious BLOOD 🩸 of Christ, who was ORDAIN or chosen before the creation of the world but reveal in these last time for you. Through Him you believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; your hope and faith might be in God. Yeah you also have to drink the blood of Jesus to have life in you, if you do that literally you'd be a cannibal! And it's impossible anyway, because it's gone 2000 years ago! By the way, just because you read it on TMB or got questions doesn't mean it's the truth. Again human sacrifice is an abomination to God, if you don't believe that then that's up to you, but I know it's a sin before God you murder, and it's definitely a sin to murder his innocent son. Read the parable of the servants of the vineyard, that's about the leaders of the Jews wanting to kill Jesus, and Jesus certainly didn't think that it was alright to kill him before God according to that parable. According to Jesus, those who try to kill him will have the kingdom taken from them and given to others who bare fruits.(Matthew 21) A dead tree can't bare fruit, you need a living tree to bare fruit and Jesus was that green tree, as Jesus said, for if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in a dry! It was wrong before God to murder Jesus, murder is sinful, and it doesn't save anyone |
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Post by Annan on Oct 8, 2024 7:08:30 GMT -5
Can you elaborate by what you mean? Please, don’t take the Fifth, please. You take the fifth all the time, Natie.
Questions Nathan refuses to answer.Does your wife attend meetings with you or did she give up your god now that she is feeling better after her heart attack? Is your son still going to hell? Who really owns your business? It’s not in your name according to the paper work filed. A lot of bankruptcies I see! You said you bought the business. Obviously a lie. Why can’t you get your own credit? Do you not pay your bills? Do you have bad credit? Why do you work on Sundays? Does your god not provide for you as stated in the bible? Why do you disrespect the lord’s day? Why is money more important than god? Why do you brag about being a worker all these long years when no one has ever professed under you? I can post a lot more questions you refuse to answer, Natie. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 8, 2024 9:52:01 GMT -5
Yeah you also have to drink the blood of Jesus to have life in you, if you do that literally you'd be a cannibal! And it's impossible anyway, because it's gone 2000 years ago! By the way, just because you read it on TMB or got questions doesn't mean it's the truth. Again human sacrifice is an abomination to God, if you don't believe that then that's up to you, but I know it's a sin before God you murder, and it's definitely a sin to murder his innocent son. Read the parable of the servants of the vineyard, that's about the leaders of the Jews wanting to kill Jesus, and Jesus certainly didn't think that it was alright to kill him before God according to that parable. According to Jesus, those who try to kill him will have the kingdom taken from them and given to others who bare fruits.(Matthew 21) A dead tree can't bare fruit, you need a living tree to bare fruit and Jesus was that green tree, as Jesus said, for if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in a dry! It was wrong before God to murder Jesus, murder is sinful, and it doesn't save anyone We have discussed this subject John 6: 53-58 eating his flesh and drinking his blood to be SAVED! in the past it seems you still don’t fully understand the awesome and wonderful meaning of it completely. Jesus wasn’t talking literally eating his flesh and drinking his own blood; it was a symbolic of His New Testament Covenant with the Jews and Gentiles Passover in Luke 22 like He did with the children of Israel in Exodus chapter 12. A memorial service of how God has saved them from Pharaoh and now Christ has saved us from Satan’s bondage and the Second death. Christ’s Passover/eating the bread/his flesh or apply the New Testament teachings in our lives and drinking his blood/the wine forgiveness of our sins in Luke 22; 19 I Cor. 11: 23-26 Sunday morning worship the Godhead tradition was to be kept to the time of Jesus 2nd coming. John the apostle explain it’s very important to partake the emblems in parking and be staying in the fellowship without it there is no forgiveness of sins or receiving the cleansing the blood from Jesus. READ IJohn 1:1-7. and Hebrews 10:25 NOT to give up meeting of ourselves together, as some in the habit of doing, but exhort one another. In John 4 Jesus told the Samaritan woman the day is coming God will establish a NEW covenant for His people to come together to worship the Godhead in Spirit and in Truth that is Christ’s Passover in Luke 22; I Cor. 11:23-26 an everlasting covenant of memorial services on earth and throughout eternity. Do you Cooneyites partake the emblem or Christ’s Passover in your Sunday morning meeting? If you do you are worshipping the Godhead/Triune God= God the Father, partake the emblems of life and death on Calvary’s Cross his shed blood of forgiveness for our sins daily. And give thanks for the Holy Spirit teachings, guidance, and daily protection. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 8, 2024 13:41:22 GMT -5
I simply summarized what you seem to believe, I wasn't quoting you verbatim. You believe that your guilty of sin, but you also believe that you can rectify that yourself. Everyone is guilty of sin and "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23), but if Jesus didn't absolve anyone of sin, then no one qualifies for heaven.
You wrote, "I don't believe that the death of Jesus saves" and then you wrote, There's no way I can justify myself". So I was simply stipulating that without a Savior who sacrificed himself for the remission of our sins, which you've rejected, then your redemption is based on self-reliance and dependent on your own abilities and works. Isn't that fundamentally the correct assessment?
I'm not saying that good works and enduring to the end don't factor into a persons ultimate reward, but the ticket to paradise was only satisfied in and by Christ himself.
I don't believe I can rectify my sins on my own, I have never ever said that, you keep making things up about me. I need God to help me and I can only do it through Christ Jesus. I can't overcome without God, satan is too strong for me. The wages of sin is death, but that's not literal death, that's being dead to God. Sin separates us from God thus making us dead to him. If you are buried in a natural grave, can you see the light of the outside world and what's above? Can you see the life? No, because you are dead in a grave. And that's the same spiritually in God, if you are dead to God then you are separated by the lusts of the flesh and the pleasures of this life, and you can't see his light and you can't see his life, because you are dead to him and that is the death that sin brings, you're alive in this world alright, but dead to God. For everything literal there is a spiritual and Jesus uses many things that are natural to make parables which have deeper spiritual meanings. Paul did the same. And, you have got me all wrong again. And I do believe that Jesus was a sacrifice, but he was a living sacrifice, sacrificing his whole life to bare witness to the truth and bring us the true way to follow back to God. And if you want to judge me as being unsaved because I don't believe that Jesus had to be murdered to save us, then go ahead. But remember this, as you judge me, God judges you and you don't know my life!
No judgement intended, just clarifying what you believe. You believe that God condemns murder, but Jesus prayed, "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done" (Luke 22:42). So it was obviously God's will that Jesus be sacrificed. Why do you suppose that was?
Sin not atoned for does equate to a literal spiritual death, and that was the purpose of Jesus death, he came as an offering for the sins of the world, he was God's own divine sacrificial lamb for all who believe in him. That ended the old covenant and replaced animal sacrifice once and for all.
The difference is that you assign a spiritual meaning to everything, but his crucifixion had a definitive purpose and was a necessity for the salvation of every sinner. Assigning some abstract spiritual significance to what Jesus physically and literally endured in order to blot out our sins really cheapens all that he suffered for our sake's.
Sin does separate us from God, and that's what Jesus rectified, his sacrifice was not in vain. That's the gift and unmerited favor (grace) the Savior brought, and its our faith in his redemptive power that saves all repentant believers.
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