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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 1, 2019 21:16:03 GMT -5
I don’t believe that when it says “inner earth” it means in the “hollow center”. I believe it’s closer to Jesus the surface then anybody knows. I believe that it’s somewhere in the area of Mount Zion, the Lord’s Mount. That would also be somewhere in the vicinity of Jerusalem. I believe that is why God had his chosen people the children of Israel settle in the Land of Canaan. Furthermore, I feel certain Satan and he demons do NOT live there. The Bible says that he sent man forth OUT OF the GARDEN of EDEN. He had also said, that in thecsweat of man’s face he’d eat of the ground until he returned to the ground; “for out of it thou wast taken”. He also said that there’d be enormity between the serpent and the woman’s seed: that man would bruise the serpents head and the serpent would bruise the man’s heel. Thus, reasonably, all of them were sent out of the Garden. There is nothing living in the Garden of Eden now but the Tree of Life. The flaming sword would have killed everything in its path in guarding the Tree of Life. Ezekiel 47 tells about how that Earthly Garden of Eden will be healed. I believe this will be during Jesus’ millennial reign, because of the “river of life that flows” from out from under the right side of the altar. Through the east gate. The gate that only the @chuef prince or priest may use. We know since Jesus’ life, crucifixion and resurrection that HE IS the PRINCE of Peace, the Chief Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. So he will come from the east as a streak of lightening. He will enter into the temple(whether it’s rebuilt by then or will be rebuilt shortly after his return, Im not certain). It will take the flow of that river of life to cure or heal the waters of the area where Garden of Eden likely is. This is not just my thought or opinion. They’ve found signs of the area around the Dead Sea that have fish swimming now. Time is marching on. the temple will be rebuilt before his return....the beast or anti-christ goes in it and declares himself God in revelation. The temple will be rebuilt the third time before Jesus’ returns. This is where the Antichrist will gain his foothold on the Jews and gain their trust then turn on them and make himself God in the temple. The Trmple will be built the fourth time. It’s my understanding that after Mount Zion cleaves in two and the great fertile valley appears and where Jesus and his saints will go, there will be the fourth and final temple. Where Jesus reigns his millennial reign. This is where the River of Life flows out from under the right side of the altar that flows out and down to the Dead Sea and that will be healed except for the marshes and mirey places. www.templemount.org/TM34.html
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 1, 2019 21:17:39 GMT -5
Those that die that are “dead” in trespasses and sins are just like the OT dead. They’re still in the graves. They will be awakened on the second Resurrection morning then to face Jesus and Judgment Day. I don’t believe the dead in trespasses and sins are going to know a thing until they are arisen and given second life in order to be judged according to their deeds. The unbelievers bodies are in the grave/sheol but their souls are in the REALM of the dead/hades waiting there for the day when they will appear before God and Christ to be judged and sentence for eternity/Lake of fire.
we read the New Testament believers bodies are in the graves and turned back to dust, but their spirits/souls went to heaven and be with Christ and God told them to rest for awhile.
Read Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
~~ According to Jesus teachings in Luke 16 and Rev. 6:8-11 AFTER death both believers and unbelievers souls are AWARE of their surrounding, feelings, emotions and so on.... but at different places, one/unbelievers are bound in the inner earth/Realm of the dead and the believers in Christ are waiting in heaven for the day Christ will give them the New Resurrection bodies to rule and reign with Him during the 1000 yrs on earth and the Universe.
If they aren’t “born again” their souls are dead as well.
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Post by rational on Sept 1, 2019 21:29:26 GMT -5
If they aren’t “born again” their souls are dead as well. How do you evaluate a 'dead soul'? No heartbeat? Organ failure?
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Post by nathan on Sept 1, 2019 21:34:26 GMT -5
The unbelievers bodies are in the grave/sheol but their souls are in the REALM of the dead/hades waiting there for the day when they will appear before God and Christ to be judged and sentence for eternity/Lake of fire.
we read the New Testament believers bodies are in the graves and turned back to dust, but their spirits/souls went to heaven and be with Christ and God told them to rest for awhile.
Read Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
~~ According to Jesus teachings in Luke 16 and Rev. 6:8-11 AFTER death both believers and unbelievers souls are AWARE of their surrounding, feelings, emotions and so on.... but at different places, one/unbelievers are bound in the inner earth/Realm of the dead and the believers in Christ are waiting in heaven for the day Christ will give them the New Resurrection bodies to rule and reign with Him during the 1000 yrs on earth and the Universe.
If they aren’t “born again” their souls are dead as well. Their souls are NOT dead because they MUST face God the Father and Christ in the Judgement Day. So, how can their souls be dead? They are DEAD in spiritual sense but their souls are ALIVE and WELL. No humans or angels can kill the souls except God.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 1, 2019 22:07:02 GMT -5
If they aren’t “born again” their souls are dead as well. How do you evaluate a 'dead soul'? No heartbeat? Organ failure? The Bible says people are dead in trespasses and sins. Jesus said people must be born again in the spirit by the Spirit. Apparently only the Holy Spirit knows whether a person is born again in the spirit/soul. It seems to me there’s just nothing there. Usually when I’ve been where people pass away, there’s a sense of a presence leaving at some time before the body shuts down. But I’ve seen some where the body shutting down is all that’s to it. It’s an amazing thing, I’ve often wished I could know for sure what was on the other side of a body shutting down for those that have no sense of a presence leaving them! But at the same time it just fits.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 1, 2019 22:10:16 GMT -5
If they aren’t “born again” their souls are dead as well. Their souls are NOT dead because they MUST face God the Father and Christ in the Judgement Day. So, how can their souls be dead? They are DEAD in spiritual sense but their souls are ALIVE and WELL. No humans or angels can kill the souls except God.
When the breath leaves the body that’s the end of a “living soul”. God does take the soul away when people die. But if people are born again in the spirit by the Spirit then they have eternal spiritual life. They are asleep, they’ve been asleep since they were old enough to know what is right or wrong. They were and are dead in trespasses and sins. they’ll be awakened with their resurrection bodies for Judgment Day. Their spirits are dead if they’ve never been born again! Their spirits are dead in trespasses and sins, that’s why it has to be saved people are “born again” so they have spiritual life.
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Post by nathan on Sept 1, 2019 22:19:08 GMT -5
Their souls are NOT dead because they MUST face God the Father and Christ in the Judgement Day. So, how can their souls be dead? They are DEAD in spiritual sense but their souls are ALIVE and WELL. No humans or angels can kill the souls except God.
When the breath leaves the body that’s the end of a “living soul”. God does take the soul away when people die. They are asleep, they’ll be awakened with their resurrection bodies for Judgment Day. Their souls are dead if they’ve never been born again! Their souls are dead in trespasses and sins, that’s why it has to be saved people are “born again” so they have spiritual life. But if people are born again in the spirit by the Spirit then they have eternal spiritual life. Well, NOT according to Jesus/God words and teaching in LUKE 16.... AFTER death both believers and unbelievers were ALIVE, conscious and KNOW what is going both in HADES and in HEAVEN.
Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 1, 2019 23:21:12 GMT -5
When the breath leaves the body that’s the end of a “living soul”. God does take the soul away when people die. They are asleep, they’ll be awakened with their resurrection bodies for Judgment Day. Their souls are dead if they’ve never been born again! Their souls are dead in trespasses and sins, that’s why it has to be saved people are “born again” so they have spiritual life. But if people are born again in the spirit by the Spirit then they have eternal spiritual life. Well, NOT according to Jesus/God words and teaching in LUKE 16.... AFTER death both believers and unbelievers were ALIVE, conscious and KNOW what is going both in HADES and in HEAVEN.
Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. That is a parable and it says the rich man looked up. He was looking into heaven and saw Abraham eith the beggar standing beside him. The rich man was in the fiery pit this had to have been after Judgment day
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 1, 2019 23:24:20 GMT -5
Those in heaven under the altar were in heaven but they knew nothing about those who’d killed them but they knew revengence. Had not happened because they had not been reunited with their resurrected bodies, so they knew Judgment Day Had not happened
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2019 0:10:57 GMT -5
Well, NOT according to Jesus/God words and teaching in LUKE 16.... AFTER death both believers and unbelievers were ALIVE, conscious and KNOW what is going both in HADES and in HEAVEN.
Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. That is a parable and it says the rich man looked up. He was looking into heaven and saw Abraham eith the beggar standing beside him. The rich man was in the fiery pit this had to have been after Judgment day LOOK up does NOT always mean heaven... Abraham was on a higher level in Hades NOT in heaven. Jesus said in John 3 "NO man" has entered heaven, before he had paid the ransom price. In Luke 16 Jesus had NOT paid the ransom price on Calvary's yet.
So, Abraham and all of the Old Testament believers could NOT enter or be in heaven in Luke 16.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 0:12:00 GMT -5
Those in heaven under the altar were in heaven but they knew nothing about those who’d killed them but they knew revengence. where does it say that in the bible?
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2019 0:16:26 GMT -5
Those in heaven under the altar were in heaven but they knew nothing about those who’d killed them but they knew revengence. Had not happened because they had not been reunited with their resurrected bodies, so they knew Judgment Day Had not happened What you forget was Rev. 6 ... MANY New Testament believers had been killed by Nero emperor 68- A.D. and many more Christians were tortured, burned and killed by different Emperors after him. Even during the time of John apostle 95 A.D. he was sent to the small island on Patmos by another Rome Emperor. So, they KNEW and remembered the people who had killed them. Their souls/spirits were alive and well.
The Historical Background of the book Revelation:
The visions John saw while he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. Christ gave John visions and the book was written, in the ghastly light of burning Martyrs. The church was 66 years old. It had grown enormously. It had suffered, and was suffering terrific persecutions. Emperor Nero in A.D 64-67 instigated the first imperial persecution of Christians, 30 years before this book was written. In that persecution many Christians were crucified, thrown to wild beasts, or wrapped in combustible garments and burned to death while Nero laughed at the pitiful shrieks of burning men and women. Paul and Peter suffered martyrdom in Nero's persecution.
The second imperial persecution was under Emperor Domitian (A.D. 95). It was short but extremely severe. More than 40,000 Christians were tortured and killed. It was during this period of persecution in which John was banished to Patmos. The third imperial persecution was that of Trajan and was soon to begin (A.D. 98). John had lived through the first two and was now about to enter the third of Rome's efforts to blot out Christian faith. Those were the dark days for the Church. Still, darker days were coming. But, persecution was NOT the only problem. The church itself, from within, was beginning to show signs of Corruption and Apostasy.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 2, 2019 0:47:18 GMT -5
Those in heaven under the altar were in heaven but they knew nothing about those who’d killed them but they knew revengence. where does it say that in the bible? Revelations 6:9. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, Holy and true, “dost thou not JUDGE and AVENGE our blood on them that dwell on the earth.” They knew they hadn’t been reunited with their resurrected bodies, so they knew Judgment Day had not come in which the Judge will mete the punishment out to those on the earth or were on the earth that had killed them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 0:51:12 GMT -5
where does it say that in the bible? Revelations 6:9. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, Holy and true, “dost thou not JUDGE and AVENGE our blood on them that dwell on the earth.” They knew they hadn’t been reunited with their resurrected bodies, so they knew Judgment Day had not come in which the Judge will mete the punishment out to those on the earth or were on the earth that had killed them. that doesn't say they didn't know nothing about those who had killed them...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 2, 2019 0:51:25 GMT -5
Those in heaven under the altar were in heaven but they knew nothing about those who’d killed them but they knew revengence. Had not happened because they had not been reunited with their resurrected bodies, so they knew Judgment Day Had not happened What you forget was Rev. 6 ... MANY New Testament believers had been killed by Nero emperor 68- A.D. and many more Christians were tortured, burned and killed by different Emperors after him. Even during the time of John apostle 95 A.D. he was sent to the small island on Patmos by another Rome Emperor. So, they KNEW and remembered the people who had killed them. Their souls/spirits were alive and well.
The Historical Background of the book Revelation:
The visions John saw while he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. Christ gave John visions and the book was written, in the ghastly light of burning Martyrs. The church was 66 years old. It had grown enormously. It had suffered, and was suffering terrific persecutions. Emperor Nero in A.D 64-67 instigated the first imperial persecution of Christians, 30 years before this book was written. In that persecution many Christians were crucified, thrown to wild beasts, or wrapped in combustible garments and burned to death while Nero laughed at the pitiful shrieks of burning men and women. Paul and Peter suffered martyrdom in Nero's persecution.
The second imperial persecution was under Emperor Domitian (A.D. 95). It was short but extremely severe. More than 40,000 Christians were tortured and killed. It was during this period of persecution in which John was banished to Patmos. The third imperial persecution was that of Trajan and was soon to begin (A.D. 98). John had lived through the first two and was now about to enter the third of Rome's efforts to blot out Christian faith. Those were the dark days for the Church. Still, darker days were coming. But, persecution was NOT the only problem. The church itself, from within, was beginning to show signs of Corruption and Apostasy.
I’m sorry but the revengence and had not happened should have not been separated. Yes, there’s been souls throughout the times that were martyred for Jesus’. His Apostles and many since. But when the saved die from the earth, their living spirits go to heaven and enter into their rest until Resurrection , then they’ll awaken and reunited with their resurrection bodies.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 2, 2019 0:53:17 GMT -5
Revelations 6:9. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, Holy and true, “dost thou not JUDGE and AVENGE our blood on them that dwell on the earth.” They knew they hadn’t been reunited with their resurrected bodies, so they knew Judgment Day had not come in which the Judge will mete the punishment out to those on the earth or were on the earth that had killed them. that doesn't say they didn't know nothing about those who had killed them... It’s power of reasoning Wally. They did know avengence had not been meted out! It says so. The reason they knew was they themselves had not been awakened and reunited with their own resurrected bodies! It’s reasoning!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 0:56:37 GMT -5
What you forget was Rev. 6 ... MANY New Testament believers had been killed by Nero emperor 68- A.D. and many more Christians were tortured, burned and killed by different Emperors after him. Even during the time of John apostle 95 A.D. he was sent to the small island on Patmos by another Rome Emperor. So, they KNEW and remembered the people who had killed them. Their souls/spirits were alive and well.
The Historical Background of the book Revelation:
The visions John saw while he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. Christ gave John visions and the book was written, in the ghastly light of burning Martyrs. The church was 66 years old. It had grown enormously. It had suffered, and was suffering terrific persecutions. Emperor Nero in A.D 64-67 instigated the first imperial persecution of Christians, 30 years before this book was written. In that persecution many Christians were crucified, thrown to wild beasts, or wrapped in combustible garments and burned to death while Nero laughed at the pitiful shrieks of burning men and women. Paul and Peter suffered martyrdom in Nero's persecution.
The second imperial persecution was under Emperor Domitian (A.D. 95). It was short but extremely severe. More than 40,000 Christians were tortured and killed. It was during this period of persecution in which John was banished to Patmos. The third imperial persecution was that of Trajan and was soon to begin (A.D. 98). John had lived through the first two and was now about to enter the third of Rome's efforts to blot out Christian faith. Those were the dark days for the Church. Still, darker days were coming. But, persecution was NOT the only problem. The church itself, from within, was beginning to show signs of Corruption and Apostasy.
I’m sorry but the revengence and had not happened should have not been separated. Yes, there’s been souls throughout the times that were martyred for Jesus’. His Apostles and many since. But when the saved die from the earth, their living spirits go to heaven and enter into their rest until Resurrection , then they’ll awaken and reunited with their resurrection bodies. doesn't sound as if the martyred are resting....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 0:59:00 GMT -5
that doesn't say they didn't know nothing about those who had killed them... It’s power of reasoning Wally. They did know avengence had not been meted out! It says so. The reason they knew was they themselves had not been awakened and reunited with their own resurrected bodies! It’s reasoning! that might be your own reasoning.... and if they are not awakened how are they crying out to God?
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2019 1:05:45 GMT -5
It’s power of reasoning Wally. They did know avengence had not been meted out! It says so. The reason they knew was they themselves had not been awakened and reunited with their own resurrected bodies! It’s reasoning! that might be your own reasoning.... and if they are not awakened how are they crying out to God? Right on, wally. God just told them to REST/stay up and wait and NOT to go to sleep! There is no need to be awakened if they had NOT been sleeping at all. God will revenge against those who harm them in the day of Judgement, and they pay for their sins on this earth one way or another.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 2, 2019 9:13:47 GMT -5
I’m sorry but the revengence and had not happened should have not been separated. Yes, there’s been souls throughout the times that were martyred for Jesus’. His Apostles and many since. But when the saved die from the earth, their living spirits go to heaven and enter into their rest until Resurrection , then they’ll awaken and reunited with their resurrection bodies. doesn't sound as if the martyred are resting.... They had awakened for it says they were told to rest yet for a little season. Something about when that fifth seal was broken awakened them or made them conscious of the time had not yet come for their avengence.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 2, 2019 9:15:07 GMT -5
that might be your own reasoning.... and if they are not awakened how are they crying out to God? Right on, wally. God just told them to REST/stay up and wait and NOT to go to sleep! There is no need to be awakened if they had NOT been sleeping at all. God will revenge against those who harm them in the day of Judgement, and they pay for their sins on this earth one way or another.You’re off track, Nathan. Read Revelation 6:8-11 Hebrews 4 speaks about that test. It is rest from their labors. I’ve always slept when my labors have made me tired. There’s no other way for body and soul to really slip into real relaxated rest. But I’ve also always been very easily awakened to know immediately what’s going on around me. They call it “asleep in Jesus”. When the spirit is in heavein it’s safe there and rest is readily available because Jesus is there. Why would their souls under the altar in heaven need be alert, watching and praying when their labors are over? Nathan, that doesn’t make sense.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 2, 2019 9:17:52 GMT -5
When the breath leaves the body that’s the end of a “living soul”. God does take the soul away when people die. They are asleep, they’ll be awakened with their resurrection bodies for Judgment Day. Their souls are dead if they’ve never been born again! Their souls are dead in trespasses and sins, that’s why it has to be saved people are “born again” so they have spiritual life. But if people are born again in the spirit by the Spirit then they have eternal spiritual life. Well, NOT according to Jesus/God words and teaching in LUKE 16.... AFTER death both believers and unbelievers were ALIVE, conscious and KNOW what is going both in HADES and in HEAVEN.
Rev. 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Revelations 6 deals with the martyrs for Jesus. They’re resting under the altar in heaven.
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2019 13:58:38 GMT -5
Right on, wally. God just told them to REST/stay up and wait and NOT to go to sleep! There is no need to be awakened if they had NOT been sleeping at all. God will revenge against those who harm them in the day of Judgement, and they pay for their sins on this earth one way or another. You’re off track, Nathan. Read Revelation 6:8-11 Hebrews 4 speaks about that test. It is rest from their labors. I’ve always slept when my labors have made me tired. There’s no other way for body and soul to really slip into real relaxated rest. But I’ve also always been very easily awakened to know immediately what’s going on around me. They call it “asleep in Jesus”. When the spirit is in heavein it’s safe there and rest is readily available because Jesus is there. Why would their souls under the altar in heaven need be alert, watching and praying when their labors are over? Nathan, that doesn’t make sense. ** God told them to to REST for a little while because MANY more Christians will be killed in the same manner for the next 1500 yrs to come. They can't REST from their labor yet because there is much work and labors to be done when they receive the New resurrection bodies to rule on the earth with Christ during the 1000 yrs reign. The 12 apostles will rule over 12 tribes of Israel, many of the saints/followers of Jesus will rule over 5 cities, others 10 cities or more. The final battle will be fought between God's people Vs. Satan and his demonic army at Armegeddon in Israel. after the judgement day and when they enter the New heaven and earth then they can REST from their labor forever.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2019 14:41:21 GMT -5
You’re off track, Nathan. Read Revelation 6:8-11 Hebrews 4 speaks about that test. It is rest from their labors. I’ve always slept when my labors have made me tired. There’s no other way for body and soul to really slip into real relaxated rest. But I’ve also always been very easily awakened to know immediately what’s going on around me. They call it “asleep in Jesus”. When the spirit is in heavein it’s safe there and rest is readily available because Jesus is there. Why would their souls under the altar in heaven need be alert, watching and praying when their labors are over? Nathan, that doesn’t make sense. ** God told them to to REST for a little while because MANY more Christians will be killed in the same manner for the next 1500 yrs to come. They can't REST from their labor yet because there is much work and labors to be done when they receive the New resurrection bodies to rule on the earth with Christ. Oh my! -"what a web of myths we NEED to weave when we WANT to believe!"
There seems no end to how we must keep on trying to explain and further explain and on & on ….
ad infinitum .
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2019 15:15:10 GMT -5
** God told them to to REST for a little while because MANY more Christians will be killed in the same manner for the next 1500 yrs to come. They can't REST from their labor yet because there is much work and labors to be done when they receive the New resurrection bodies to rule on the earth with Christ. Oh my! -"what a web of myths we NEED to weave when we WANT to believe!"
There seems no end to how we must keep on trying to explain and further explain and on & on ….
ad infinitum .
** You MUST have NOT read the right kind of Church history books to understand it. It was foretold by John in the book of Rev. Chapter 12. What STR and I are saying it came from the Bible NOT our own ideas or opinions. We know you atheists don't believe any of it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 2, 2019 16:13:34 GMT -5
You’re off track, Nathan. Read Revelation 6:8-11 Hebrews 4 speaks about that test. It is rest from their labors. I’ve always slept when my labors have made me tired. There’s no other way for body and soul to really slip into real relaxated rest. But I’ve also always been very easily awakened to know immediately what’s going on around me. They call it “asleep in Jesus”. When the spirit is in heavein it’s safe there and rest is readily available because Jesus is there. Why would their souls under the altar in heaven need be alert, watching and praying when their labors are over? Nathan, that doesn’t make sense. ** God told them to to REST for a little while because MANY more Christians will be killed in the same manner for the next 1500 yrs to come. They can't REST from their labor yet because there is much work and labors to be done when they receive the New resurrection bodies to rule on the earth with Christ during the 1000 yrs reign. The 12 apostles will rule over 12 tribes of Israel, many of the saints/followers of Jesus will rule over 5 cities, others 10 cities or more. The final battle will be fought between God's people Vs. Satan and his demonic army at Armegeddon in Israel. after the judgement day and when they enter the New heaven and earth then they can REST from their labor forever. They have entered into their sabbath rest. Nathan! When living spirits enter into heaven there is nothing more for them to do but rest. Why would they need to be doing anything once their spirits are in heaven? There is no need for any of them to be worrying/watching for a thing. They should NOT be feeling any pain, anxiety,sorrows , need for revenge, etc. They’ve been saved by the blood of the Lamb and all else is in God’s hands. All has been bought and paid for by Jesus Christ. What happens after they get their resurrected bodies is in Judgment Day when we all will stand before the Just Judge to be judged for our deeds while on earth. W During Jesus millennial reign we have NO idea what we’ll be doing, if anything. If we could-reign with him, might just be when our enemies come and bow down at our feet. Though I’m not particularly wanting that. I’m willing to do what Jesus asks of me. If it’s something I know nothing of I trust he’ll teach me or give me the necessary skills or talents to do it. I just don’t want to leave his presence.
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2019 17:27:21 GMT -5
** God told them to to REST for a little while because MANY more Christians will be killed in the same manner for the next 1500 yrs to come. They can't REST from their labor yet because there is much work and labors to be done when they receive the New resurrection bodies to rule on the earth with Christ during the 1000 yrs reign. The 12 apostles will rule over 12 tribes of Israel, many of the saints/followers of Jesus will rule over 5 cities, others 10 cities or more. The final battle will be fought between God's people Vs. Satan and his demonic army at Armegeddon in Israel. after the judgement day and when they enter the New heaven and earth then they can REST from their labor forever. They have entered into their sabbath rest. Nathan! When living spirits enter into heaven there is nothing more for them to do but rest. Why would they need to be doing anything once their spirits are in heaven? There is no need for any of them to be worrying/watching for a thing. They should NOT be feeling any pain, anxiety,sorrows , need for revenge, etc. They’ve been saved by the blood of the Lamb and all else is in God’s hands. All has been bought and paid for by Jesus Christ. What happens after they get their resurrected bodies is in Judgment Day when we all will stand before the Just Judge to be judged for our deeds while on earth. W During Jesus millennial reign we have NO idea what we’ll be doing, if anything. If we could-reign with him, might just be when our enemies come and bow down at our feet. Though I’m not particularly wanting that. I’m willing to do what Jesus asks of me. If it’s something I know nothing of I trust he’ll teach me or give me the necessary skills or talents to do it. I just don’t want to leave his presence. ** The believers who died in Christ are resting now in heaven but there are a lot more work to be accomplished or work need to be done once the Old and New believers receive the resurrection bodies. Jesus spoke the parables of pounds and talents to His apostles and followers to rule over 5 and 10 cities when he Returns as King and God on the earth for 1000 yrs. So, How can they REST from their labor when there are so much work need to be accomplished during the 1000 yrs reign to put all enemies under Christ banner on earth?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 2, 2019 18:49:08 GMT -5
They have entered into their sabbath rest. Nathan! When living spirits enter into heaven there is nothing more for them to do but rest. Why would they need to be doing anything once their spirits are in heaven? There is no need for any of them to be worrying/watching for a thing. They should NOT be feeling any pain, anxiety,sorrows , need for revenge, etc. They’ve been saved by the blood of the Lamb and all else is in God’s hands. All has been bought and paid for by Jesus Christ. What happens after they get their resurrected bodies is in Judgment Day when we all will stand before the Just Judge to be judged for our deeds while on earth. W During Jesus millennial reign we have NO idea what we’ll be doing, if anything. If we could-reign with him, might just be when our enemies come and bow down at our feet. Though I’m not particularly wanting that. I’m willing to do what Jesus asks of me. If it’s something I know nothing of I trust he’ll teach me or give me the necessary skills or talents to do it. I just don’t want to leave his presence. ** The believers who died in Christ are resting now in heaven but there are a lot more work to be accomplished or work need to be done once the Old and New believers receive the resurrection bodies. Jesus spoke the parables of pounds and talents to His apostles and followers to rule over 5 and 10 cities when he Returns as King and God on the earth for 1000 yrs. So, How can they REST from their labor when there are so much work need to be accomplished during the 1000 yrs reign to put all enemies under Christ banner on earth? Since Jesus has not returned! The saints in heaven are on their Sabbath rest. None have any idea what Jedus will reward them because rewards come on his return after they’re resurrected.
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