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Post by such as on Nov 23, 2005 20:38:53 GMT -5
Maybe a better question would be: What exactly are the good works that go hand-in-hand with having faith? What God has asked us to do. His will. Such as? Alan, name 2 things that you have done (your works) that he asked you to do (his will).
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Post by Elaine on Nov 23, 2005 22:39:41 GMT -5
I don't have time to reply to the different posts right now but it would be helpful if the person/s concerned could identify themselves as being the same or different people in the discussion. I'm getting old and it sure helps to know who is saying what.
Thank you.
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Post by Jason and his friends on Nov 23, 2005 23:38:05 GMT -5
I am: jason storebo John Kladstrop Reverend Robert Foxbridge Thomas Engelbart
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Post by Alan C on Nov 24, 2005 3:20:51 GMT -5
What God has asked us to do. His will. Such as? Alan, name 2 things that you have done (your works) that he asked you to do (his will). Pray for others. Pray for His help. Pray for His mercy etc To be not adulteris, a fornicator, a muderer, a theif and the list can go on. You only have to read the Bible to understand what God want of us, which are His will, they are the good works.
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Post by Alan C on Nov 24, 2005 3:21:26 GMT -5
What God has asked us to do. His will. Such as? Alan, name 2 things that you have done (your works) that he asked you to do (his will). Pray for others. Pray for His help. Pray for His mercy etc To be not adulteris, a fornicator, a muderer, a theif and the list can go on. You only have to read the Bible to understand what God want of us, which are His will, they are the good works.
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Post by ozelaine on Nov 24, 2005 15:33:02 GMT -5
Is this not the same line of thinking that we do 'good works' as a manifestation of 'being saved'/obtaining salvation? And that in the end we have eternal rewards? Grace/works and doing God's will go hand in hand with salvation.......?
Obtaining salvation is an oxymoron because it can't be obtained. It is given, by the grace of God.
Maybe we should use different nouns when describing salvation. Being saved, being born again is what happens when we believe the Gospel and results in eternal life, being alive in Christ. Whether we are truly born again depends on the Gospel we have believed.
The Lord Jesus Christ warned that many christs would come. He said: "For there shall arise false christs..." (Matt. 24:24). He also taught that many false prophets and false teachers would come in His very name proclaiming that He indeed is Christ, and yet they would be deceivers who would guide many onto the broad way that leads to destruction: "For many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many" (Matt. 24:5,11). The apostle Paul said that these deceivers would appear as "...ministers of righteousness..." yet they would in reality be ministers of Satan (2 Cor.11:13-15) who would come preaching another gospel, and another jesus and would be led by another spirit (2 Cor. 11:4). Paul declared that anyone, even if it were an angel come down from heaven, who would teach and thus believe any other gospel than the one he preached under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit was accursed (under the wrath of God) (Gal. 1:6-9).
God's Gospel stands alone from all the false Gospels and it's imperative that we believe His Gospel.
God’s Gospel is the LIFE Message! And, we must be certain that it is God’s Message—HIS Gospel proclaiming HIS Christ—that we have heard and in which we have believed and trusted, and NO other.
The seed of the true Gospel produces the fruit of new birth and eternal life in those who believe.
This is the first step in our Christian lives. God works His work in us AFTER we have heard and believed the Gospel and that is what produces the fruit of the spirit and good works. If it is God's work in and through us it is always good!
Good works follow salvation and evidence saving faith.
Good works are also done by many other people who are not saved so this is not the primary evidence that one has salvation. The key is the Gospel.
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Post by More from Titus on Nov 24, 2005 16:04:13 GMT -5
King James Version (KJV) Titus - Chapter 3
Tts 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work.
Tts 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, [but] gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Tts 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, [and] hating one another.
Tts 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tts 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tts 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Tts 3:8 [This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Tts 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
be not unfruitful. Tts 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Tts 3:14 And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they
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Post by born again on Nov 24, 2005 16:10:26 GMT -5
Elaine wrote: [/i]Maybe we should use different nouns when describing salvation. Being saved, being born again is what happens when we believe the Gospel and results in eternal life, being alive in Christ. Whether we are truly born again depends on the Gospel we have believed.[/i]
I think being 'truly' born again has more to do with the absolutel sincerety with which a person believes. If you really and truly believe in Jesus and are 'saved', your life will reflect that. There are those who say they are saved, but are they sincere? Does their being saved go down deep inside. Are they truly 'born again'. Is there really a complete renewel going on?
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Post by maintenance on Nov 24, 2005 16:34:35 GMT -5
Elaine, You are basically saying that people who are saved will produce 'good works' or fruit of the Spirit. So what's new. That's not the issue, as I see it. 2x2's also believe that a person is born again.......and that certain 'works' follow as a result. IMO, they are very earnest in this aspect.
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Post by graceworks on Nov 24, 2005 23:43:37 GMT -5
Alan C wrote: Graceworks I am a professing person and I agree with you. I know I can't earn salvation, I know it is a gift from God and I am taught these things by our workers from here and from overseas. I have never understood how different ones on this board say that we believe what they say we believe. We must do the works that God has put in our hearts because if we don't we won't have salvation.
I wanted to emphasize that it is the 'works that God has put in our hearts' to do that show we have a committed obedience to Him. This is not 'our works'.
Also, Alan wrote 'have' salvation, not 'earn' salvation.
I think, [won't hold my breath too long for any agreement from those who so strongly oppose the 2x2s], that the 2x2s believe in salvation by grace way more than they are given credit for.......or even admitted to by some. There is a misunderstanding as to just what/how grace and faith work in a person's life when they have accepted Jesus as their personal Saviour.
And, as Alan pointed out, it's amazing how those who are not 2x2s seem to have such an acute knowledge about what 2x2s do or do not believe. I believe that if you are saved, you have faith and vice versa. There is a renewel of life and a regeneration that occurs as a result of being 'born again'. Bottom line, none of this would be possible without the loving grace of God which is freely given, even though we are not worthy.
More on what any of these 'works' might be later..
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Post by to graceworks on Nov 25, 2005 14:03:13 GMT -5
Maybe because they were once 2x2s ? Unless of course the unchanging way has changed Do you think its fair to say ex 2x2s are more likely to have a greater knowledge of what 2x2s believe than workers are of the churches that they like to put down for their beliefs?
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Post by Alan C on Nov 25, 2005 16:34:11 GMT -5
Maybe because they were once 2x2s ? Unless of course the unchanging way has changed Do you think its fair to say ex 2x2s are more likely to have a greater knowledge of what 2x2s believe than workers are of the churches that they like to put down for their beliefs? First of all there has never been a 2x2 in our fellowship. This term was givin to those in the fellowship by those who left. That might sort of answer the knowledge of whats truely in the fellowship rather than what is recieved. The fellowship has not changed. The Spirit in the fellowship is still the same. It is the same Spirit which ruled in the fellowship of the Apostles time.
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Post by changing socks on Nov 25, 2005 16:47:12 GMT -5
hmmm, is this an unchanging world we live in? Does the weather change? In context of the ''doctrine'', following scripture, I am always looking for the truth...... as we all are... God says He is an unchanging God.....so are you following some form of unchanging behavior that could entail others pointing out that changing socks would also be a sin..? ;D
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Post by To Alan C on Nov 25, 2005 18:05:51 GMT -5
"First of all there has never been a 2x2 in our fellowship. This term was givin to those in the fellowship by those who left."
No Alan C. you are wrong. The name 2 x 2 was not coined by those who left the fellowship.
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Post by slow to see on Nov 25, 2005 19:19:33 GMT -5
And, as Alan pointed out, it's amazing how those who are not 2x2s seem to have such an acute knowledge about what 2x2s do or do not believe
Hi there, graceworks I was "a 2x2" for many years and understood the teaching to be that it was FALSE to believe in salvation by the grace of God. I kinda wondered if there might be some change in thought amongst the f&w , and I think there maybe is some change happening all right, and that is good. However, as to where I got the "notion" that they do not fully embrace this yet, was at a fellowship meeting we were graciously invited to by some friends we were visiting. My wife and myself participated fully in meeting, but the head worker with "the last word" ~~~~ in the meeting , went to great effort to TOTALLY speak against and ridicule anyone who thought "salvation by grace", which, of course was us. (he knew us quite well~~~~) He went on to say that it is ONLY" through the servants of God" that one can get salvation and read verse after verse, (some completely out of context) to "prove" his point. (e.g.- Abraham got a bride for Issac through a servant ) guess, that would be one of the reasons I struggle with accepting , as fact, that the f&w group have now embraced salvation by grace teachings, since the leaders I know, do NOT believe that. Not so truly amazing, then, that MANY people VERY familiar with the group , can't quite believe that it is so, yet. However, it is great that some DO believe that, and we can all have hope that it will indeed, be the teaching , someday. However, it would COMPLETELY change MANY other teachings in the group also, since so much of what has been called "bedrock doctrine" won't mesh with salvation by grace. I can understand some of the resistance to this, especially by some who have "sacrificed" MANY things to "earn" salvation and then to consider it all,as Paul did, as filthy rags is NOT easy to do. Requires repentance- " to change one's mind concerning past action......to reform... a turning... " Seems like I also need repentance on a regular basis, and it is easier to just hang on to the "old" and"keep on keeping on", instead of allowing the Spirit to teach and guide us.
Thanks for your posts, Alvin
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Post by application of word on Nov 25, 2005 20:17:29 GMT -5
I was "a 2x2" for many years and understood the teaching to be that it was FALSE to believe in salvation by the grace of God. Thanks for your posts, Alvin It is impossible to enter into the discussion that you refer to as so many words are used in various manners. I have many a visit with my brother when he uses words like pride, gay, divine, etc...[how do you mean that?] Some words have quite different conotations depending on what the speaker seems to be infering . These words I most often avoid, when I am making a dilligent effort to be implicitly understood [if that be possible ] We can all understand it, when it is ''demonstrated'' in the life of the orator... otherwise all words, become empty and vain, as they have no applicable value in our own lifes. Most people would be
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Post by Alan C on Nov 25, 2005 20:53:27 GMT -5
And, as Alan pointed out, it's amazing how those who are not 2x2s seem to have such an acute knowledge about what 2x2s do or do not believe Hi there, graceworks I was "a 2x2" for many years and understood the teaching to be that it was FALSE to believe in salvation by the grace of God. I kinda wondered if there might be some change in thought amongst the f&w , and I think there maybe is some change happening all right, and that is good. However, as to where I got the "notion" that they do not fully embrace this yet, was at a fellowship meeting we were graciously invited to by some friends we were visiting. My wife and myself participated fully in meeting, but the head worker with "the last word" ~~~~ in the meeting , went to great effort to TOTALLY speak against and ridicule anyone who thought "salvation by grace", which, of course was us. (he knew us quite well~~~~) He went on to say that it is ONLY" through the servants of God" that one can get salvation and read verse after verse, (some completely out of context) to "prove" his point. (e.g.- Abraham got a bride for Issac through a servant ) guess, that would be one of the reasons I struggle with accepting , as fact, that the f&w group have now embraced salvation by grace teachings, since the leaders I know, do NOT believe that. Not so truly amazing, then, that MANY people VERY familiar with the group , can't quite believe that it is so, yet. However, it is great that some DO believe that, and we can all have hope that it will indeed, be the teaching , someday. However, it would COMPLETELY change MANY other teachings in the group also, since so much of what has been called "bedrock doctrine" won't mesh with salvation by grace. I can understand some of the resistance to this, especially by some who have "sacrificed" MANY things to "earn" salvation and then to consider it all,as Paul did, as filthy rags is NOT easy to do. Requires repentance- " to change one's mind concerning past action......to reform... a turning... " Seems like I also need repentance on a regular basis, and it is easier to just hang on to the "old" and"keep on keeping on", instead of allowing the Spirit to teach and guide us. Thanks for your posts, Alvin You may have well been as you say in the 2x2 for years and understood that it was a false teaching that salvation was by the grace of God, but that don't mean your understanding was true. In fact I believe the opposite and have been taught the opposite to your understanding. I have also read many notes and letters from around the world which also say the opposite to your understanding. I ask you do you believe Gods grace will avail for you if you do not His will?
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Post by Rob O on Nov 25, 2005 21:08:19 GMT -5
I ask you do you believe Gods grace will avail for you if you do not His will?
One can only do God's will if He has graced them to do so. And those who are so graced, will ultimately do God's will (even if they resist and disobey occasionally).
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Post by slow to see on Nov 25, 2005 21:58:32 GMT -5
I ask you do you believe Gods grace will avail for you if you do not His will?
Hi Good question, Alan. Even though I desire and purpose to do His will, I sometimes (understatement, really) sin and fail and do not His will, so I absolutely DEPEND on God's grace to avail. I wonder if Paul felt the same when he said," O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord ......." In Romans 7, he writes that even though he would always do good, he realizes he does not, and so his ONLY hope is through the grace of God. In no way , do I understand that believing salvation by grace , is a LICENSE to sin. Thanks for your posts, Alvin
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Post by graceworks on Nov 26, 2005 14:24:05 GMT -5
I ask you do you believe Gods grace will avail for you if you do not His will? One can only do God's will if He has graced them to do so. And those who are so graced, will ultimately do God's will (even if they resist and disobey occasionally). I agree with this statement....it's only by the grace of God that I feel I am even able to approach the doing of God's will. By His mercy, and His grace, He has shown me what His will is..............NOT MY WILL, but His. That is the starting point........and as Rob said, sometimes we disobey and resist.........
But, if I am willing to do His will, 'works' will follow. I cannot claim them as my works, because they come from God. All 'saved' people could fall into a trap of doing their own works and while fooling themselves and others that their are doing God's works....This is something I strive to avoid. I want to be led the Holy Spirit and be willing to do what God has put in my heart to do. His will, not mine. If it's my will, it will my works that are manifested, not God's.
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Post by graceworks on Nov 26, 2005 14:38:26 GMT -5
And, as Alan pointed out, it's amazing how those who are not 2x2s seem to have such an acute knowledge about what 2x2s do or do not believe Hi there, graceworks I was "a 2x2" for many years and understood the teaching to be that it was FALSE to believe in salvation by the grace of God. I kinda wondered if there might be some change in thought amongst the f&w , and I think there maybe is some change happening all right, and that is good. However, as to where I got the "notion" that they do not fully embrace this yet, was at a fellowship meeting we were graciously invited to by some friends we were visiting. My wife and myself participated fully in meeting, but the head worker with "the last word" ~~~~ in the meeting , went to great effort to TOTALLY speak against and ridicule anyone who thought "salvation by grace", which, of course was us. (he knew us quite well~~~~) He went on to say that it is ONLY" through the servants of God" that one can get salvation and read verse after verse, (some completely out of context) to "prove" his point. (e.g.- Abraham got a bride for Issac through a servant ) guess, that would be one of the reasons I struggle with accepting , as fact, that the f&w group have now embraced salvation by grace teachings, since the leaders I know, do NOT believe that. Not so truly amazing, then, that MANY people VERY familiar with the group , can't quite believe that it is so, yet. However, it is great that some DO believe that, and we can all have hope that it will indeed, be the teaching , someday. However, it would COMPLETELY change MANY other teachings in the group also, since so much of what has been called "bedrock doctrine" won't mesh with salvation by grace. I can understand some of the resistance to this, especially by some who have "sacrificed" MANY things to "earn" salvation and then to consider it all,as Paul did, as filthy rags is NOT easy to do. Requires repentance- " to change one's mind concerning past action......to reform... a turning... " Seems like I also need repentance on a regular basis, and it is easier to just hang on to the "old" and"keep on keeping on", instead of allowing the Spirit to teach and guide us. Thanks for your posts, Alvin Thanks for your posts also, Alvin. You pointed out a key element; I think in the mindset of some of the friends and that is perhaps some are doing what they do because they are led by the Holy Spirit, but that some do what they do because they simply think it is right and falls into the example and teaching of other friends and workers. This is a trap that can happen to any group of people united together for a common pupose. I have seen it in associations, clubs, sports teams, work settings, and so on.
But when it comes to our salvation, bottom line, it's by the grace of God. I have heard this from friends and workers alike......and I have heard so much about there being hope for anyone and everyone.
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Post by wonderful thoughts on Nov 28, 2005 4:35:06 GMT -5
Titus - Chapter 2
Tts 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
Tts 2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Tts 2:3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Tts 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tts 2:5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Tts 2:6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
Tts 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine [shewing] uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
Tts 2:8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Tts 2:9 [Exhort] servants to be obedient unto their own masters, [and] to please [them] well in all [things]; not answering again;
Tts 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
Tts 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tts 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tts 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tts 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tts 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee
**I found it fascinating to note how many times good works/behaviour/good-type things was referred to; yet also the reminder that it is by grace we are brought to salvation in the first place. To Graceworks, It is only by God's grace that we are alive. [unmeritted favor]. How can we come to the Full reliasation that we have been miraculously created, NOT because we deserved or earned the right to be alive, BUT by the Gracework of GOD. [[Then it also must follow]] that it is only by God's gracework that the plan for us to 'spend eternity with Him and His Son' was made for our ''avail'', but only realized by those that responded to His ''Invitation'' to be a Part of His family [by regeneration, and feeding on Eternal things, and doing the things that accompany the HIGH calling He availed to US. HE is a Wonderful Father, as is HIS Wonderful Son
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Post by Invite vs Chosen on Nov 28, 2005 11:20:41 GMT -5
? ? only realized by those that responded to His ''Invitation'' to be a Part of His family ? ?
Is this bait? :)
How much more plain can God's Word make this point, that "salvation is of the LORD" and not of man?
Now it is popular to 'accept Jesus' or to 'decide' to follow Christ or to 'get saved.'
But man is not saved by his will at all, and neither were you. And what does the Bible say - "Then Jesus said to His disciples, 'If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.'" (Matthew 16.24-25) What does the Lord Jesus call for, but for us to deny all of ourselves, to deny that there is glory and goodness in us, that there is any hope in ourselves, but only a perverse will, and to put our whole assurance in Him and His work. Many will say that salvation was obtained by their decision, but do they doubt what God has worked in them? "Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" (Romans 2.4)
More exactly, Scripture quite plainly teaches that man is not saved by 'free-will' - "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1.12-13) "So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy." (Romans 9.16) "For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." (Romans 11.29)
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2.4-10)
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Post by puppet am i on Nov 28, 2005 11:42:13 GMT -5
? ? only realized by those that responded to His ''Invitation'' to be a Part of His family ? ?Is this bait? :)...... It wasn't intended to be......but,..... We have a few adoptions, in our family, they have been ''invited'' to partake of all things just like the rest, only they are subject to the same ''name, guidelines, etc'' as everone else. In this sence it is their 'choice' to be a part of our natural family. We need to fit in to God's family. Whether or not you believe it is here or there, if you don't believe you have to fit in...sobeit....
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Post by The Blue Fairy on Nov 28, 2005 12:31:54 GMT -5
QUOTES:To Graceworks,
It is only by God's grace that we are alive. [unmeritted favor].
How can we come to the Full reliasation that we have been miraculously created, NOT because we deserved or earned the right to be alive, BUT by the Gracework of GOD. [[Then it also must follow]] that it is only by God's gracework that the plan for us to 'spend eternity with Him and His Son' was made for our ''avail'', but only realized by those that responded to His ''Invitation'' to be a Part of His family [by regeneration, and feeding on Eternal things, and doing the things that accompany the HIGH calling He availed to US. HE is a Wonderful Father, as is HIS Wonderful Son
Amen.
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Post by graceworks on Nov 28, 2005 12:41:32 GMT -5
King James Version (KJV) 1 John - Chapter 2
1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1Jo 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
1Jo 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jo 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jo 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jo 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jo 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
1Jo 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1Jo 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1Jo 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
1Jo 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [[but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
1Jo 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, [even] eternal life.
1Jo 2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
1Jo 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
Lot's in this chapter about keeping and abiding..........
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Keeping and Abiding
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Post by Keeping and Abiding on Nov 28, 2005 13:12:20 GMT -5
The question is is (LOL) who does the keeping? Man or God?
Have you thought that, perhaps, tis God who keeps man and causes him to keep and abide and not vice versa?
"I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. "
"....according to the gift of God's grace which was given to me according to the working of His power."
"Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us"
"Now to Him who is able to establish you..."
"Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy..."
"He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach"
The POWER is of God, not of man. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2005 15:36:01 GMT -5
For me, John the Baptist had the order correct when he stated "He must increase, I must decrease." As the Comforter/Holy Spirit teaches us of Him because of our asking seeking knocking, He increases and we WILL decrease as a result.
As we decrease, we want to know things that please God, and strive for them, not for salvation but to know we can please God, rather than men. Personally, I appreciate all the admonitions and writings which make me want HIM to increase.
Sincerely,
Dennis Jacobsen
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