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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 16:22:22 GMT -5
** Many of the ex-2×2s and 2x2s do NOT agree with many of your posts which you spiritualized too much. You don't believe Jesus death on Calvary and His blood SAVE us. I do believe in the blood of Jesus, but I don't see it as you do. You can only see the literal! Also, I believe closer to the way the 2x2s believe than you do!!! They don't believe that Jesus is God, neither do I, they don't believe that Jesus lives in Venus, neither do I, they don't believe in a hollow earth, valiant Thor, neither do the put Frank stranges on a pedestal, neither do I. They believe that the father is the only true God, so do I, they believe that Jesus is the son of God, so do I, and from what I've seen, they believe that you have to deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Jesus and partake in his sufferings and live by the will of God, and so do I. They believe that we have to endure to the end to be saved, so do I. You see yourself already saved, and going to heaven in Venus, that Jesus is God and that Frank stranges preached the true gospel, and I'm pretty sure most of the 2x2s don't believe as you do! You say you're exclusive, no way are you exclusive, you don't agree with much of what the workers preach, so how can you be exclusive? In fact you say some workers should be hanged, funnily enough you think I should be too, so I must believe similar to them!!!! And you also see yourself as more advanced than the friends and workers are, you see yourself as receiving special revelation from God and you believe that he lives in Venus. Yet nowhere does it say anything like that in the Bible, and you have believed a lie! You set yourself on a pedestal looking down on others, saying where they will be when they die, yet this is not for you to judge, only God knows where we will be when we die. You don't know who God has his eye on, and no one is going to believe the stuff you preach, you turn people from God rather than to him by looking down on others and preaching a false gospel!!! Very perceptive Mary. Isn’t it so clear.
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Post by Annan on Sept 4, 2020 16:41:22 GMT -5
maryhig: You have the patience of a saint.
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Post by nathan on Sept 4, 2020 16:48:02 GMT -5
I do believe in the blood of Jesus, but I don't see it as you do. You can only see the literal! Also, I believe closer to the way the 2x2s believe than you do!!! They don't believe that Jesus is God, neither do I, they don't believe that Jesus lives in Venus, neither do I, they don't believe in a hollow earth, valiant Thor, neither do the put Frank stranges on a pedestal, neither do I. They believe that the father is the only true God, so do I, they believe that Jesus is the son of God, so do I, and from what I've seen, they believe that you have to deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Jesus and partake in his sufferings and live by the will of God, and so do I. They believe that we have to endure to the end to be saved, so do I. You see yourself already saved, and going to heaven in Venus, that Jesus is God and that Frank stranges preached the true gospel, and I'm pretty sure most of the 2x2s don't believe as you do! You say you're exclusive, no way are you exclusive, you don't agree with much of what the workers preach, so how can you be exclusive? In fact you say some workers should be hanged, funnily enough you think I should be too, so I must believe similar to them!!!! And you also see yourself as more advanced than the friends and workers are, you see yourself as receiving special revelation from God and you believe that he lives in Venus. Yet nowhere does it say anything like that in the Bible, and you have believed a lie! You set yourself on a pedestal looking down on others, saying where they will be when they die, yet this is not for you to judge, only God knows where we will be when we die. You don't know who God has his eye on, and no one is going to believe the stuff you preach, you turn people from God rather than to him by looking down on others and preaching a false gospel!!! Very perceptive Mary. Isn’t it so clear. ** When I get home I will reply her post, not that hard to reply.
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 16:50:21 GMT -5
I am think that you may be right about that.
The US has thought so highly of itself for a long time and believed that it is indestructible, -but no country has ever been so.
This last election has certainly shown up the cracks in it's foundations.
It is going to to take much more than a Finger in the Dike to save us.
Sometimes I think we will get just what we deserve.
We have been so arrogant for far too long. There is a saying in politics. "You get what you vote for" The majority voted for Hilary, but they got Trump.
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 16:55:19 GMT -5
I like that idea. The USA used to be a strong country with good intentions. Now they look like a bunch of morons flailing about in a jelly wrestling competition. The world needs strong countries with good intentions to thwart the evil of the likes of Russia and China. Unfortunately the USA will soon be no longer in a position to be effective. I am think that you may be right about that.
The US has thought so highly of itself for a long time and believed that it is indestructible, -but no country has ever been so.
This last election has certainly shown up the cracks in it's foundations.
It is going to to take much more than a Finger in the Dike to save us.
Sometimes I think we will get just what we deserve.
We have been so arrogant for far too long.You're not getting your best talent in high office. I wonder if that is a systemic failure, but I'm reluctant to find fault with a system that has withstood multiple catastrophes for more than a quarter of a millenium.
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Post by Grant on Sept 4, 2020 16:57:44 GMT -5
There is a saying in politics. "You get what you vote for" The majority voted for Hilary, but they got Trump. That is also what happened in NZ. And they call that democracy?
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 16:58:28 GMT -5
I haven't heard hell preached for a long time. And what about the hymns you sing in New Zealand? God is calling Wanderer, will you then refuseAll His tender mercy and His love abuse? Grasp the hand He offers: think what it would mean,Left to mourn forever, "Oh what might have been!""Oh what might have been!" This will be your cryWhen, too late, you see Jesus has passed by.Long with you He pleaded, but you would not hear;Now He cannot help you, THOUGH YOU FAINT WITH FEAR.God had almost won you when your friends drew near,"You shall lose our friendship," whispered in your ear.Woith the flesh conferring, soon your heart grew cold;Then you turned against Him and your birthright sold."Oh what might have been!" This will be your cry When, too late, you see Jesus has passed by. Long with you He pleaded, but you would not hear; Now He cannot help you, THOUGH YOU FAINT WITH FEAR.If you want to avoid hearing the angry, vicious threats that Jesus came to bring, you'll have to avoid reading your Bible too. If I say I don't like that hymn and would never choose it, you'll be upset that I'm watering down the gospel
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 17:01:29 GMT -5
The majority voted for Hilary, but they got Trump. That is also what happened in NZ. And they call that democracy? But most people in NZ voted for change last election. We sure got change. Tax cuts cancelled and our rockstar economy in tatters.
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 17:05:52 GMT -5
Very perceptive Mary. Isn’t it so clear. ** When I get home I will reply her post, not that hard to reply. It's the thinking before you post that's hard for you.
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Post by nathan on Sept 4, 2020 17:18:17 GMT -5
** When I get home I will reply her post, not that hard to reply. It's the thinking before you post that's hard for you. At work I don't have the special kinds of features I use like my computer at home. I use my IPhone at work and it has very simple feature to post. When I get home I will show you and the readers what I can do with my Super computer.
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Post by nathan on Sept 4, 2020 17:24:35 GMT -5
I haven't heard hell preached for a long time. And what about the hymns you sing in New Zealand? God is calling Wanderer, will you then refuseAll His tender mercy and His love abuse? Grasp the hand He offers: think what it would mean,Left to mourn forever, "Oh what might have been!""Oh what might have been!" This will be your cryWhen, too late, you see Jesus has passed by.Long with you He pleaded, but you would not hear;Now He cannot help you, THOUGH YOU FAINT WITH FEAR.God had almost won you when your friends drew near,"You shall lose our friendship," whispered in your ear.Woith the flesh conferring, soon your heart grew cold;Then you turned against Him and your birthright sold."Oh what might have been!" This will be your cry When, too late, you see Jesus has passed by. Long with you He pleaded, but you would not hear; Now He cannot help you, THOUGH YOU FAINT WITH FEAR.If you want to avoid hearing the angry, vicious threats that Jesus came to bring, you'll have to avoid reading your Bible too. *** Amen, The down under workers and friends want to skip God and Jesus teachings, where they mention about lake of fire/the second death, eternal darkness, Hell, eternal torture for the unbelievers. They just preach and believe in part of the Bible and that what they call the gospel according to them half-Truth. Jesus teaches both; Heaven to gain and Hell to shun.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 17:40:36 GMT -5
I think the reality may be, they leave that judging in the hands of the God they believe in and concentrate on what is meaningful Christianity ‘in this life’. As I’m sure Marihig and Enuf & others do.
You don’t win anybody over by spouting off morbid after death fire and brimstone. But Nathan will never ‘get it’ because of his programming. His ‘in love’ captivation with fire and brimstone. Sad really.
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Post by nathan on Sept 4, 2020 18:01:14 GMT -5
I think the reality may be, they leave that judging in the hands of the God they believe in and concentrate on what is meaningful Christianity ‘in this life’. As I’m sure Marihig and Enuf & others do. You don’t win anybody over by spouting off morbid after death fire and brimstone. But you will never get it because of your programming. Your ‘in love’ captivation with fire and brimstone. ** The TRUE servants of God preach and teach the WHOLE gospel of Jesus Christ and that is Heaven to gain and Hell to shun. This way we give the people a choice to choose like God did with Ada and Eve in the Garden of Eden. If you choose to partake the Tree of life/to be with Christ your Creator and continue to live forever in the image and likeness of God with no sicknesses or death. But if you want to partake the fruit having the knoweledge of good and evil/to become like Satan serving Self; be your own boss and don't have to listen to God anymore. They picked the wrong choice and had to pay for their sins. Christ/God had to atone and die for their sins. To set them FREE from Satan prison in Hades.
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Post by openingact34 on Sept 4, 2020 18:05:52 GMT -5
I think the reality may be, they leave that judging in the hands of the God they believe in and concentrate on what is meaningful Christianity ‘in this life’. As I’m sure Marihig and Enuf & others do. You don’t win anybody over by spouting off morbid after death fire and brimstone. But Nathan will never ‘get it’ because of hus programming. His ‘in love’ captivation with fire and brimstone. Sad really. Everybody in the Truth and everybody in Christianity used to preach fire and brimstone Nathan and Wally are just patiently continuing in the way with Jesus. The real question is why has everyone else deviated?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 18:14:42 GMT -5
Common sense prevailed, we became aware that "Hell' was invented to put fear into people and make them go to Church. No such place exists, only in some people's mind. You will find that people are less gullible now, much better informed. No longer do they believe BS.
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Post by openingact34 on Sept 4, 2020 18:16:49 GMT -5
And what about the hymns you sing in New Zealand? God is calling Wanderer, will you then refuseAll His tender mercy and His love abuse? Grasp the hand He offers: think what it would mean,Left to mourn forever, "Oh what might have been!""Oh what might have been!" This will be your cryWhen, too late, you see Jesus has passed by.Long with you He pleaded, but you would not hear;Now He cannot help you, THOUGH YOU FAINT WITH FEAR.God had almost won you when your friends drew near,"You shall lose our friendship," whispered in your ear.Woith the flesh conferring, soon your heart grew cold;Then you turned against Him and your birthright sold."Oh what might have been!" This will be your cry When, too late, you see Jesus has passed by. Long with you He pleaded, but you would not hear; Now He cannot help you, THOUGH YOU FAINT WITH FEAR.If you want to avoid hearing the angry, vicious threats that Jesus came to bring, you'll have to avoid reading your Bible too. If I say I don't like that hymn and would never choose it, you'll be upset that I'm watering down the gospel I already figured you would have a big problem with that hymn (and a number of others). That's why I quoted it. But I'm more curious about how you and the other rebellious friends respond when it is chosen by someone else. Do you sing along as normal, lifting that message to those gathered and to God? Do you sit there silent like a bump on a log, making all the children wonder why the elder has suddenly become a mute? Fake a coughing fit and take a throat lozenge? (Might not be the best strategy now with COVID)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 18:23:59 GMT -5
4 techniques of Satire.
1. Exaggeration. The first step to crafting a successful satire is working out what you want to exaggerate.
2. Incongruity
3. reversal
4. parody
P.s. I think I recall where Wally wrote ‘opening act hates the truth’ ( his term) so one wonders how openingacts post would turn them on. ( but anything’s possible with Nathan of course.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 18:37:14 GMT -5
I think the reality may be, they leave that judging in the hands of the God they believe in and concentrate on what is meaningful Christianity ‘in this life’. As I’m sure Marihig and Enuf & others do. You don’t win anybody over by spouting off morbid after death fire and brimstone. But Nathan will never ‘get it’ because of hus programming. His ‘in love’ captivation with fire and brimstone. Sad really. Everybody in the Truth and everybody in Christianity used to preach fire and brimstone Nathan and Wally are just patiently continuing in the way with Jesus. The real question is why has everyone else deviated? The answer maybe “ they have grown up”.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 4, 2020 20:21:19 GMT -5
The majority voted for Hilary, but they got Trump. That is also what happened in NZ. And they call that democracy? It's not the same in NZ. Your Prime Minister isn't the same office as the president of the US. It's equivalent to the Speaker of the House of Representatives in the U.S.
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Post by maryhig on Sept 4, 2020 20:34:32 GMT -5
Common sense prevailed, we became aware that "Hell' was invented to put fear into people and make them go to Church. No such place exists, only in some people's mind. You will find that people are less gullible now, much better informed. No longer do they believe BS. Oh hell exists alright, but we make our own hell. Hell isn't a place it's a state. Hell is to be in darkness, separated from God, under control of Satan, in those who love this world and sin. Hell is in the here and now in the hearts of those that do wickedness, heaven is in the hearts of those that do good and love the living God and live by his will. Where the kingdom of God is, heaven is, and the kingdom of God is within the hearts of those who belong to him, those who deny themselves and turn from sin, love one another, walk in the spirit and obey the word of God and truly follow Jesus. Those who love this world and live by the lusts of the flesh are already in hell. God wants us out of that state and that's why he sent Jesus to bare witness to the truth, to show us a new and living way to follow. To teach and show us how to live before God and lift us out of hell, out of the pit, out of darkness and into the glorious light of God, bringing us from death to life. Just think what this world would be like if everyone lived as Jesus taught us to live. If we all truly loved one another and cared for our neighbour and helped those we saw in need in our daily lives. Jesus was wise to say love thy neighbour as thyself, because if everyone did this, this world would be a different place and this is the true love of God, to love one another as Christ loved us, not a sloppy worldly love, but a love that glorifies God, a love that we will be there and help others, no matter what, having a forgiving merciful heart, and if the Spirit of God is within us, we can do this because with God all things are possible. You will know those who truly love God and follow Jesus by their fruits.
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 20:35:41 GMT -5
I think the reality may be, they leave that judging in the hands of the God they believe in and concentrate on what is meaningful Christianity ‘in this life’. As I’m sure Marihig and Enuf & others do. You don’t win anybody over by spouting off morbid after death fire and brimstone. But Nathan will never ‘get it’ because of hus programming. His ‘in love’ captivation with fire and brimstone. Sad really. Everybody in the Truth and everybody in Christianity used to preach fire and brimstone Nathan and Wally are just patiently continuing in the way with Jesus. The real question is why has everyone else deviated? Westboro Baptist Church would be a better fit for nathan and Wally.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 4, 2020 20:38:15 GMT -5
Everybody in the Truth and everybody in Christianity used to preach fire and brimstone Nathan and Wally are just patiently continuing in the way with Jesus. The real question is why has everyone else deviated? Westboro Baptist Church would be a better fit for nathan and Wally. Absolutely.
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 20:46:26 GMT -5
That is also what happened in NZ. And they call that democracy? It's not the same in NZ. Your Prime Minister isn't the same office as the president of the US. It's equivalent to the Speaker of the House of Representatives in the U.S. Our Prime Minister holds the highest executive office though. Queen Elizabeth via the Governor General is technically higher but in paractice the role is mostly symbolic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 20:52:01 GMT -5
Everybody in the Truth and everybody in Christianity used to preach fire and brimstone Nathan and Wally are just patiently continuing in the way with Jesus. The real question is why has everyone else deviated? Westboro Baptist Church would be a better fit for nathan and Wally. you are projecting, elder...
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Post by Grant on Sept 4, 2020 20:58:52 GMT -5
That is also what happened in NZ. And they call that democracy? It's not the same in NZ. Your Prime Minister isn't the same office as the president of the US. It's equivalent to the Speaker of the House of Representatives in the U.S. Of course a President and Prime minister are different. I was not talking about their roles in office. I was referring to the majority not voting the NZ govt into power. Another party got more votes but by joining with another party the party with the lesser number of votes joined with another party which meant together they got more votes than the party with the most votes. fixit said: The majority voted for Hilary, but they got Trump. Enuf said: that is also what happened in NZ. And they call that democracy?
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 21:09:13 GMT -5
I think the reality may be, they leave that judging in the hands of the God they believe in and concentrate on what is meaningful Christianity ‘in this life’. As I’m sure Marihig and Enuf & others do. You don’t win anybody over by spouting off morbid after death fire and brimstone. But Nathan will never ‘get it’ because of hus programming. His ‘in love’ captivation with fire and brimstone. Sad really. Everybody in the Truth and everybody in Christianity used to preach fire and brimstone A lot of the condemnation towards W&F relates to doctrine and practice that was common to other Holiness movement groups. A Convention in 1819
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Post by fixit on Sept 4, 2020 21:09:57 GMT -5
Westboro Baptist Church would be a better fit for nathan and Wally. you are projecting, elder... Just sayin... Westbro would give you trinity and hell and exclusivity all in one tidy package.
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Post by nathan on Sept 4, 2020 22:12:07 GMT -5
Westboro Baptist Church would be a better fit for nathan and Wally. you are projecting, elder... fixit, is no 2x2 elder in my book. He speaks, writes and thinks more like an ex-2x2. Maybe, he is an ex-2x2 double agent, stay to stir the pot and turn the 2x2s exclusive into non-exclusive like him, Chuck, and Pragmatic, John Dough. It doesn't matter which preacher or church you attend, because once saved is always saved.
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