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Oct 26, 2018 6:05:51 GMT -5
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Post by ellie on Oct 26, 2018 6:05:51 GMT -5
Wally … what kind of expertise do you have on hymens to know ANYTHING for sure about them? does anyone here have a degree in hymens? No, but I have a normal specimen that's kept me company over the years. Nothing like the stuff of myths though.
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Post by ellie on Oct 26, 2018 6:13:53 GMT -5
Why am I NOT surprised?! It has been noted that bleeding during coitarche can usually be attributed to nonsensual, poorly lubricated, piston-like intercourse; and it can happen repeatedly. Ah but acknowledging that isn't nearly so satisfying for the young male ego.
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Post by Lee on Oct 26, 2018 8:35:50 GMT -5
Which proves that any time you perceive God by the filter of mankind, you perceive God by the filter of mankind. Which includes yourself. Christianity says there's a dude we can all relate to. If so, we all have something in common, if only a nature, the nature of the human being. And so established, we gather our truths. God is not seen through he filter of mankind. God is the creation of mankind. Believers all do have something in common - their created god. It's cute of you to explore the assumption of theists for a change. I was attempting to draw a distinction between a cultural or a personal filter, and the truth. Can anyone claim to be absolutely objective over the matter of a purported truth? Whether we can or not, courage compels us to lay our cards down, and take a stand for the things we value and know.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 26, 2018 18:12:50 GMT -5
God is not seen through he filter of mankind. God is the creation of mankind. Believers all do have something in common - their created god. It's cute of you to explore the assumption of theists for a change. I was attempting to draw a distinction between a cultural or a personal filter, and the truth. Can anyone claim to be absolutely objective over the matter of a purported truth? Whether we can or not, courage compels us to lay our cards down, and take a stand for the things we value and know. It is also "cute " of you, Lee, -to attempt to side track the issue when you claim that ; "Christianity says there's a dude we can all relate to."
Not all people CAN relate to your supposed Christian supernatural being who says in absolute terms that when HE returns he will separate mankind into two groups and one group will go to live with HIS heavenly father and the other group will go to a everlasting "lake of fire."
What kind of "courage" does it take to try & believe something so irrational as that instead of facing reality?
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Post by Lee on Oct 26, 2018 19:18:55 GMT -5
I like absolutes. If people are being polarized into two camps, one for Christ and one against, it will bring war and it will bring refinement.
I'm not against the idea of refinement, if it accords with a triumph of good, over evil.
Lake of fire? That's a christian doctrine but do you suppose Christ believed in an eternal hell? There are communities as well as historians who believe an eternal damnation was more of a catholic thing, than a christian thing.
I'm not opposed to the hell concept in some sense. Speaking from experience, when you feel condemned, it can feel like you're condemned forever.
The state of mind of hell, can, and should be separated from the proposition of an actual hell, where people suffer for ever and ever. IMO, such a hell, does not, can not, and will not exist.
What's your reality, if it's not about rejecting the general christian concept of an eternal hell, and embracing life?
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Post by Gene on Oct 26, 2018 21:11:05 GMT -5
I like absolutes. If people are being polarized into two camps, one for Christ and one against, it will bring war and it will bring refinement. I'm not against the idea of refinement, if it accords with a triumph of good, over evil. Lake of fire? That's a christian doctrine but do you suppose Christ believed in an eternal hell? There are communities as well as historians who believe an eternal damnation was more of a catholic thing, than a christian thing. I'm not opposed to the hell concept in some sense. Speaking from experience, when you feel condemned, it can feel like you're condemned forever. The state of mind of hell, can, and should be separated from the proposition of an actual hell, where people suffer for ever and ever. IMO, such a hell, does not, can not, and will not exist. What's your reality, if it's not about rejecting the general christian concept of an eternal hell, and embracing life? I wish I had a window into your brain, Lee, beyond what you write, which my meager intellect struggles to comprehend. That's not a disparaging comment, by the way.
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kavanaugh
Oct 26, 2018 21:45:29 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 26, 2018 21:45:29 GMT -5
I don't think you want a window into my brain. I spend more time being depressed than I spend being normal.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 27, 2018 2:34:56 GMT -5
I like absolutes. If people are being polarized into two camps, one for Christ and one against, it will bring war and it will bring refinement. I'm not against the idea of refinement, if it accords with a triumph of good, over evil. Lake of fire? That's a christian doctrine but do you suppose Christ believed in an eternal hell? There are communities as well as historians who believe an I'm not opposed to the hell concept in some sense. Speaking from experience, when you feel condemned, it can feel like you're condemned forever. The state of mind of hell, can, and should be separated from the proposition of an actual hell, where people suffer for ever and ever. IMO, such a hell, does not, can not, and will not exist. What's your reality, if it's not about rejecting the general christian concept of an eternal hell, and embracing life? The problem with "absolutes" is that life is more complex than that. And isn't it "absolutes" that causes polarization and brings about "war?" Isn't there a better way to bring about the "refinement" of moving toward the good without war? It just seems to me that a belief in "sin" only causes one to feel, -as you said, -"condemned," and without the ability to do anything about it.
I had to have a whole lot of counseling before I ever got over that feeling of being so "condemned." It was before the days of all the great medicines that we have today.
So, you ask what is my reality today? Well, I think it is that I know myself a lot better for who I really am.
I now know that I am a fragile human being that wish I had understood a lot more about myself and how life works while I was raising my children. I would like to think that if I had I could have done a better job.
But it is past. It does neither me nor my children any good for me to continue to feel bad about it. I feel lucky that I have three good children that are as concerned about the welfare of others as my husband & I had tried to raise them to be.
I do take medicine for depression and was recently made aware that I still need it. I hadn't filled the prescription and I thought I can go without it for one day, -still went another day thinking I was just fine, -by the third day I knew better.
Somehow, I thought I had "mellowed" & was just fine without it. Not true!
You said, "Speaking from experience, when you feel condemned, it can feel like you're condemned forever."
Lee, -you don't have to feel that way "forever!" Give yourself some slack! You are a good person!
If you have never got counseling, -get some! If you aren't on any medicine, -get some!
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Post by Lee on Oct 27, 2018 7:32:07 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing.
I've tried anti depressants but I've never experienced a discernible affect. I'ave been counseled, and I guess it helps.
I don't suffer like I use to. In general, my mind's more constructive today. (don't laugh!)
I know what you mean about woulda shoulda coulda thinking. It's not really healthy to ruminate too much on the past, even if it is on some level, who we are, if only because it was who we were.
You seem to have no trouble polarizing today without a view of sin.
Hey .... have a good day!
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Post by snow on Oct 27, 2018 12:09:03 GMT -5
I don't think you want a window into my brain. I spend more time being depressed than I spend being normal. Hugs Lee. I get that. I struggle with that too.
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Post by rational on Oct 27, 2018 12:43:29 GMT -5
I like absolutes. If people are being polarized into two camps, one for Christ and one against, it will bring war and it will bring refinement. Who is against christ? Failing to acknowledge existence of any paranormal entity does not mean you are against it. It fact being against it is silly and would require expending energy for nothing. Again there is no reason to reject hell any more than there is a reason to reject elves. I have spent a considerable amount of time constructing housing for faeries and elves. The customer was very pleased with the results. There was no feedback from the paranormal entities!
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Oct 27, 2018 20:26:06 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 27, 2018 20:26:06 GMT -5
Jesus was about a redeemed nature. In so far as he was about a nature, he didn't believe in leaving the future of human beings up to chance.
And so Christianity was born.
Last time I checked, its still real.
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Post by rational on Oct 27, 2018 21:03:22 GMT -5
Jesus was about a redeemed nature. In so far as he was about a nature, he didn't believe in leaving the future of human beings up to chance. And so Christianity was born. Last time I checked, its still real. Scientology is also real. Aghori is real. Are they true?
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kavanaugh
Oct 27, 2018 22:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 27, 2018 22:08:46 GMT -5
Scientology violates becoming behavior of us. I don't know anything about aghori.
Lies are real. But not as real as the truth. To the believer, truth is weighted by what lasts forever, or what has more influence. The sin of this world is temporal to us.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 27, 2018 22:57:00 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. I've tried anti depressants but I've never experienced a discernible affect. I'ave been counseled, and I guess it helps. I don't suffer like I use to. In general, my mind's more constructive today. (don't laugh!) I know what you mean about woulda shoulda coulda thinking. It's not really healthy to ruminate too much on the past, even if it is on some level, who we are, if only because it was who we were. You seem to have no trouble polarizing today without a view of sin. Hey .... have a good day! Yep, I know I don't do a very good job of NOT polarizing!
I envy Snow in her ability to be a peace maker.
Also Gene
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 27, 2018 23:08:11 GMT -5
Jesus was about a redeemed nature. In so far as he was about a nature, he didn't believe in leaving the future of human beings up to chance. And so Christianity was born. Last time I checked, its still real. I understand why people like the idea of a redeemed nature.
But just because that we like something or want it to be that way doesn't necessarily make it true.
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kavanaugh
Oct 28, 2018 8:51:11 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 28, 2018 8:51:11 GMT -5
Well shoot.. Let's just stand around and depress ourselves!
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Post by rational on Oct 28, 2018 10:03:16 GMT -5
Scientology violates becoming behavior of us. I don't know anything about aghori. Lies are real. But not as real as the truth. To the believer, truth is weighted by what lasts forever, or what has more influence. The sin of this world is temporal to us. The point was that you claimed christianity was real. I pointed out some other beliefs that are also real. None of them, including christianity, have been shown to be anything more than a belief supported by faith. Both christanity and aghori engage in post-mortem rituals....
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Oct 28, 2018 11:23:47 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 28, 2018 11:23:47 GMT -5
There's nothing more real than thought. Our thoughts generally indicate what we will do. Tangible things are real too, but not the immediate elements of our mind.
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Post by snow on Oct 28, 2018 12:21:27 GMT -5
Well shoot.. Let's just stand around and depress ourselves! Well I learned long ago that reality can be depressing. I also found, for me, that pretending something was true because it made me feel better, wasn't good for me either. I don't have any answers. If anyone does, I'd love to hear them.
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Post by snow on Oct 28, 2018 12:24:41 GMT -5
There's nothing more real than thought. Our thoughts generally indicate what we will do. Tangible things are real too, but not the immediate elements of our mind. True. Our thoughts are true for us and many times our thoughts do end up being our reality. But just because we think something doesn't make it true in general, just for us. That's why counselors try to change how we think about ourselves and try to get us to see ourselves as others might see us or what might be closer to reality.
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Post by rational on Oct 28, 2018 15:34:35 GMT -5
There's nothing more real than thought. That depends on the thought. Running into a bridge abutment at 60 miles per hour is a lot more real than thinking about running into a bridge abutment. Perhaps you have a new definition for 'real' that would make this clear. Why Our Thoughts Are Not RealNot always. I certainly am not writing what I am thinking about! Do you think the people at Trump rally's really are considering locking anyone up? To what does the 'too' refer? Isn't that pretty much the definition of 'tangible'? Some people who disagree with your ideas - You Are Not Your Thoughts
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Oct 28, 2018 21:29:04 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 28, 2018 21:29:04 GMT -5
Whatever.
The enemy of progress is relativism.
It's friend is habilitating intelligence.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2018 0:03:53 GMT -5
There's nothing more real than thought. Our thoughts generally indicate what we will do. Tangible things are real too, but not the immediate elements of our mind. Oops! don't put too much reverence on the "elements of our minds!"
After all, -much as we would LIKE to believe that what we THINK is very important, -remember our minds are but a function of a lot of neurons shooting around in our head kinda' like a electric circuit and sometimes a switch will burn out and blotto!
We cant hear or can' t see, -or we can, but they are hallucinations, -or we can't walk, dada, dada.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 29, 2018 5:34:25 GMT -5
Whatever. The enemy of progress is relativism. It's friend is habilitating intelligence. Why?
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Oct 29, 2018 10:19:32 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 29, 2018 10:19:32 GMT -5
I would have thought rationality and progress had something to do with each other. Maybe not. Maybe the sole task in this crazy world is to survive it, die successfully, and graduate to the better life to come.
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Post by rational on Oct 29, 2018 13:54:17 GMT -5
Sounds like a petulant adolescent to me! But I guess if the facts do not agree it is as good a response as anything else.
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Oct 29, 2018 21:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Oct 29, 2018 21:21:20 GMT -5
Petulance is when you have nothing to say yourself so you try to rob others of what they have. Not so you can have it yourself, but so you they can be as equally impoverished as you.
The articles we're good. A little trendy.
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