Is Noah's flood a Hoax

[nathan]

1) Cherie K. wrote: The correct story is that John Long started preaching on faith lines totally INDEPENDENTLY in 1899.  He was NOT joined "with Wm Irvine and some others." He went alone, by himself, on faith lines.

Sept 16, 2017  nathan said:

**** Think! What you are saying, here Cherie K.... Then why did you post writings where John Long stated he was with William Irvine from 1897-1907 to the date he was excommunicated. John Long did NOT go alone, by himself, on faith lines.

From John Long Journal:

~~ 10/ 1899: "Bicycle Trip" to Scotland 2x2 workers

After the Convention William Irvine invited me over to his sister's home in Queenzieburn, Kilsytntih. At the same time, he went to meet some young men that came over from Ireland, with the intention of going fully on the Lord’s work. This expedition is known as the "1899 Bicycle Trip to Scotland" led by Irvine of 7 or 8 young men, who later became 2x2 workers...

1) Jack Douglas 2) William (Willie) Gill 3) George Walker 4) John Hardie 5) William Irvine 6) William (Bill) Carroll 7) Irvine Weir 8) Warren Hastings.

While I waited his return, I went into Kilsyth; and helped at a mission in the West Port Hall held by sister Cameron, an auxiliary of the Faith Mission.

~~ 11/ 1899: About that time Irvine returned when I had started the mission in Condarrat (Scotland), and he left me a partner named Irvine Weir. The mission was a splendid success, upwards of thirty persons decided for Christ. After that mission I was asked into Kilsyth to take a service in the Methodist Church on trial, with the intention, if they liked me, to have a mission, however, some of their elders rejected having me; and a fire broke out that night in the vestry room and quenched itself. From that time I ceased to be a member of the Methodist church.

NathanB: Your TTT website Cherie, have led many friends and some workers strayed from God... Many on here have become atheists because of you... May God have mercy on your soul.

It's you who twisted the history of the 2x2 to fit your anti-truth agenda.

1) Dmg wrote: Oh, come on, Nathan! Shame on you! That is completely unfair besides being totally ridiculous to accuse Cherie of causing people to become atheists!

~~ NathanB wrote: Yep! Cherie K. website suggested the workers LIED to them about William Irvine. He is the founder of the 2x2 in 1897. There was no apostolic ministry before William Irvine. What! Oh my God... I didn't know that, I must tell me parents, brothers, sisters they are in a CULT. Let get them out of that horrible cult.

So, some felt betrayed, and eventually disenchanted with God altogether. God who killed women, children in the Old Testament, wiped out the whole human race. All religion are BAD, false/pagans Christianity. So, they say God is a HOAX, the Bible is a HOAX, Noah's Word Wide flood is a HOAX... We read some of them say this on TMB recently and for years in the past.

No, I said the atheists on TMB, say my God wiped out the human race! I said God wiped out the Nephilim, the giants and the demigods to cleanse the earth from ALL of their wickedness.

Here are the names of professing 2x2 and now are atheists on TMB... Curly, Rose T., dmg, snow, xna.... pay attention to their posts and you will know I am telling the truth... From believing in God to there is no God. God is a HOAX. Noah and the world wide flood is a HOAX. Anything of God is a HOAX to them. The Bible is a HOAX. Jesus is a HOAX... That is so SAD!

Throwing their crowns of life away!

Next time God will destroy the earth with fire from heaven according to Peter.

1) Curly wrote. That's a hoax as well.

~~ NathanB: Here is what Peter wrote 2000 years ago.... II Peter 3:9-14 The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

~~ How much damage would 42 hydrogen bombs do?

Not all thermonuclear weapons are created equal. Answering this question is impossible without knowing the yields of the weapons, or how/where they were detonated.

42 W88's at 475 kilotons each (or roughly 30 more powerful than the bomb used on Hiroshima) detonated at optimal blast altitude would be enough to wipe out 42 cities, but with minimal fallout. Detonating those bombs on the surface, though, would saturate several tens-of-thousands of square miles each with deadly radiation; but this wouldn't be enough to result in global catastrophe.

Now, if you detonated 42 Tsar Bomba-like weapons (which is what I think most people think of when they say "H-Bomb") well, that would be a bad day for everyone. It would represent the detonation of 2,100 megatons of energy - or 140,000 Hiroshima bombs.

Depending on where and how they were detonated, the final death toll could reach into the hundreds of millions and leave most of a continent irradiated - to say nothing of the amount of debris kicked into the stratosphere that everyone else would have to deal with.

www.quora.com/How-much-damage-would-42-hydrogen-bombs-do

~~ There are thousands, and thousand of Hydrogen bombs are out there... North Korea tested a Hydrogen bomb last month underground and it caused 6.3 earthquake aftershocks felt in China, and Russia many thousands of mile away from Korea.... What would 1000s of Hydrogen bombs exploded all at once? what would happen to this earth....

Curly, I hope you are NOT alive when these Hydrogen bombs exploded... and the fallout afterwards is horrified.

Here are videos of a 42 Tsar Bomb and other H-bombs explosions!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px6YO-HWxVw

[iam]

Sept 17, 2017 6:42:18 GMT -5 nathan said:

1) Cherie K. wrote: The correct story is that John Long started preaching on faith lines totally INDEPENDENTLY in 1899.  He was NOT joined "with Wm Irvine and some others." He went alone, by himself, on faith lines.

Sept
16, 2017  nathan said:

**** Think! What you are saying, here Cherie K.... Then why did you post writings where John Long stated he was with William Irvine from 1897-1907 to the date he was excommunicated. John Long did NOT go alone, by himself, on faith lines.

From John Long Journal:

~~ 10/ 1899: "Bicycle Trip" to Scotland 2x2 workers

After the Convention William Irvine invited me over to his sister's home in Queenzieburn, Kilsytntih. At the same time, he went to meet some young men that came over from Ireland, with the intention of going fully on the Lord’s work. This expedition is known as the "1899 Bicycle Trip to Scotland" led by Irvine of 7 or 8 young men, who later became 2x2 workers...

1) Jack Douglas 2) William (Willie) Gill 3) George Walker 4) John Hardie 5) William Irvine 6) William (Bill) Carroll 7) Irvine Weir 8) Warren Hastings.

While I waited his return, I went into Kilsyth; and helped at a mission in the West Port Hall held by sister Cameron, an auxiliary of the Faith Mission.

~~ 11/ 1899: About that time Irvine returned when I had started the mission in Condarrat (Scotland), and he left me a partner named Irvine Weir. The mission was a splendid success, upwards of thirty persons decided for Christ. After that mission I was asked into Kilsyth to take a service in the Methodist Church on trial, with the intention, if they liked me, to have a mission, however, some of their elders rejected having me; and a fire broke out that night in the vestry room and quenched itself. From that time I ceased to be a member of the Methodist church.

NathanB: Your TTT website Cherie, have led many friends and some workers strayed from God... Many on here have become atheists because of you... May God have mercy on your soul.

It's you who twisted the history of the 2x2 to fit your anti-truth agenda.

1) Dmg wrote: Oh, come on, Nathan! Shame on you! That is completely unfair besides being totally ridiculous to accuse Cherie of causing people to become atheists!

~~ NathanB wrote: Yep! Cherie K. website suggested the workers LIED to them about William Irvine. He is the founder of the 2x2 in 1897. There was no apostolic ministry before William Irvine. What! Oh my God... I didn't know that, I must tell me parents, brothers, sisters they are in a CULT. Let get them out of that horrible cult.

So, some felt betrayed, and eventually disenchanted with God altogether. God who killed women, children in the Old Testament, wiped out the whole human race. All religion are BAD, false/pagans Christianity. So, they say God is a HOAX, the Bible is a HOAX, Noah's Word Wide flood is a HOAX... We read some of them say this on TMB recently and for years in the past.

No, I said the atheists on TMB, say my God wiped out the human race! I said God wiped out the Nephilim, the giants and the demigods to cleanse the earth from ALL of their wickedness.

Here are the names of professing 2x2 and now are atheists on TMB... Curly, Rose T., dmg, snow, xna.... pay attention to their posts and you will know I am telling the truth... From believing in God to there is no God. God is a HOAX. Noah and the world wide flood is a HOAX. Anything of God is a HOAX to them. The Bible is a HOAX. Jesus is a HOAX... That is so SAD!

Throwing their crowns of life away!

Next time God will destroy the earth with fire from heaven according to Peter.

1) Curly wrote. That's a hoax as well.

~~ NathanB: Here is what Peter wrote 2000 years ago.... II Peter 3:9-14 The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

~~ How much damage would 42 hydrogen bombs do?

Not all thermonuclear weapons are created equal. Answering this question is impossible without knowing the yields of the weapons, or how/where they were detonated.

42 W88's at 475 kilotons each (or roughly 30 more powerful than the bomb used on Hiroshima) detonated at optimal blast altitude would be enough to wipe out 42 cities, but with minimal fallout. Detonating those bombs on the surface, though, would saturate several tens-of-thousands of square miles each with deadly radiation; but this wouldn't be enough to result in global catastrophe.

Now, if you detonated 42 Tsar Bomba-like weapons (which is what I think most people think of when they say "H-Bomb") well, that would be a bad day for everyone. It would represent the detonation of 2,100 megatons of energy - or 140,000 Hiroshima bombs.

Depending on where and how they were detonated, the final death toll could reach into the hundreds of millions and leave most of a continent irradiated - to say nothing of the amount of debris kicked into the stratosphere that everyone else would have to deal with.

www.quora.com/How-much-damage-would-42-hydrogen-bombs-do

~~ There are thousands, and thousand of Hydrogen bombs are out there... North Korea tested a Hydrogen bomb last month underground and it caused 6.3 earthquake aftershocks felt in China, and Russia many thousands of mile away from Korea.... What would 1000s of Hydrogen bombs exploded all at once? what would happen to this earth....

Curly, I hope you are NOT alive when these Hydrogen bombs exploded... and the fallout afterwards is horrified.

Here are videos of a 42 Tsar Bomb and other H-bombs explosions!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px6YO-HWxVw

Wow. Those bombs! What a way to go! Perhaps that will be our get out of jail free card😃

[believingjesus]

Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Y-E-S.

[ant_rotten]

Mar 4, 2020 22:18:44 GMT -5 believingjesus said:

Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Y-E-S.

You may get a very long response from Nathan soon.. 

[dmmichgood]

And here I thought Nathan said he was going to take a break for awhile!, 
Ah well,  -sadly we knew that wasn't going to last very long!

[ant_rotten]

Mar 5, 2020 1:02:17 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

And here I thought Nathan said he was going to take a break for awhile.
Ah well we knew sadly we knew that wasn't going to last!

Nathan’s posts on this thread seems to be from 2017.. 

[dmmichgood]

Mar 5, 2020 1:04:09 GMT -5 ant_rotten said:

Mar 5, 2020 1:02:17 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

And here I thought Nathan said he was going to take a break for awhile.
Ah well we knew sadly we knew that wasn't going to last!

Nathan’s posts on this thread seems to be from 2017.. 

Oh, so I guess that Nathan is tired after all and just reposted one of his older posts.

[ant_rotten]

Mar 5, 2020 1:07:55 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

Mar 5, 2020 1:04:09 GMT -5 ant_rotten said:

Nathan’s posts on this thread seems to be from 2017.. 

Oh, so I guess that Nathan is tired after all and just reposted one of his older posts.

I think the post from believingjesus is what caused this thread to come out of hiding.. 

[intelchips]

The last interglacial period about 127,000 to 116,000 years ago was the last time sea level was as high as or even higher than present-day sea-level. Understanding sea level change during the last interglacial period, a time when the earth was slightly warmer the present, is an important research area for understanding future sea level rise due to global warming. Now then, any human living near the coasts during this time line would have had a memory of "the whole world flooded."
Now then where did Noah get his flood story from? He got it from Abraham and where was Abraham from? YOu are correct he was from the Chaldeans city of Ur. Ur you say where the heck is that and who are those Chaldeans you force on us? Well, I'm not much of an educator so lets trun to the net: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciiwb8xsuYU

[Deleted]

Mar 5, 2020 21:52:29 GMT -5 intelchips said:

The last interglacial period about 127,000 to 116,000 years ago was the last time sea level was as high as or even higher than present-day sea-level. Understanding sea level change during the last interglacial period, a time when the earth was slightly warmer the present, is an important research area for understanding future sea level rise due to global warming. Now then, any human living near the coasts during this time line would have had a memory of "the whole world flooded."
Now then where did Noah get his flood story from? He got it from Abraham and where was Abraham from? YOu are correct he was from the Chaldeans city of Ur. Ur you say where the heck is that and who are those Chaldeans you force on us? Well, I'm not much of an educator so lets trun to the net: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciiwb8xsuYU

ummm noah was before abraham i believe...just sayin'

[dmmichgood]

Mar 5, 2020 21:57:52 GMT -5 @wally said:

Mar 5, 2020 21:52:29 GMT -5 intelchips said:

The last interglacial period about 127,000 to 116,000 years ago was the last time sea level was as high as or even higher than present-day sea-level. Understanding sea level change during the last interglacial period, a time when the earth was slightly warmer the present, is an important research area for understanding future sea level rise due to global warming. Now then, any human living near the coasts during this time line would have had a memory of "the whole world flooded."
Now then where did Noah get his flood story from? He got it from Abraham and where was Abraham from? YOu are correct he was from the Chaldeans city of Ur. Ur you say where the heck is that and who are those Chaldeans you force on us? Well, I'm not much of an educator so lets trun to the net: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciiwb8xsuYU

ummm noah was before abraham i believe...just sayin'

Did you watch the video, wally?



If you did I am afraid you missed the point.

[nathan]

Mar 5, 2020 21:57:52 GMT -5 @wally said:

Mar 5, 2020 21:52:29 GMT -5 intelchips said:

The last interglacial period about 127,000 to 116,000 years ago was the last time sea level was as high as or even higher than present-day sea-level. Understanding sea level change during the last interglacial period, a time when the earth was slightly warmer the present, is an important research area for understanding future sea level rise due to global warming. Now then, any human living near the coasts during this time line would have had a memory of "the whole world flooded."
Now then where did Noah get his flood story from? He got it from Abraham and where was Abraham from? YOu are correct he was from the Chaldeans city of Ur. Ur you say where the heck is that and who are those Chaldeans you force on us? Well, I'm not much of an educator so lets trun to the net: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciiwb8xsuYU

ummm noah was before abraham i believe...just sayin'

Right on, Wally... Noah got the story of the flood from experience he was in the Ark when the flood came... Abraham, who was born many years later, got the story which passed down from Noah to his parents or from the Chaldean Sumerian/Iraq history cuniform tablets, him and his parents and brother came from that area.

If Noah flood was a MYTH Jesus/God would NOT have used Noah historical event in comparing His Second Coming! The Jews in Jesus would know the historical Noah's flood and they would understand what he was teaching was NOT a Myth but a promise that His Second coming will come upon the earth. 

Jesus said in Matthew 24:37-39 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Genesis 6:1-7 1When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the LORD said, "I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created-and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground-for I regret that I have made them."

[intelchips]

Mar 5, 2020 21:57:52 GMT -5 @wally said:

Mar 5, 2020 21:52:29 GMT -5 intelchips said:

The last interglacial period about 127,000 to 116,000 years ago was the last time sea level was as high as or even higher than present-day sea-level. Understanding sea level change during the last interglacial period, a time when the earth was slightly warmer the present, is an important research area for understanding future sea level rise due to global warming. Now then, any human living near the coasts during this time line would have had a memory of "the whole world flooded."
Now then where did Noah get his flood story from? He got it from Abraham and where was Abraham from? YOu are correct he was from the Chaldeans city of Ur. Ur you say where the heck is that and who are those Chaldeans you force on us? Well, I'm not much of an educator so lets trun to the net: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciiwb8xsuYU

ummm noah was before abraham i believe...just sayin

'That was not what I was pointing out and I feel you knew that. However, just write if off as I'm not that great of a communicator and need others to explane me.

The earliest Sumerian Gilgamesh poems date from as early as the Third dynasty of Ur (2100–2000 BC). One of these poems mentions Gilgamesh’s journey to meet the flood hero, as well as a short version of the flood story. The earliest Akkadian versions of the unified epic are dated to ca. 2000–1500 BC. Due to the fragmentary nature of these Old Babylonian versions, it is unclear whether they included an expanded account of the flood myth; although one fragment definitely includes the story of Gilgamesh’s journey to meet Utnapiim. The "standard" Akkadian version included a long version of the flood story and was edited by Sin-liqe-unninni sometime between 1300 and 1000 BC.

What date does your book say Noah was writing his tail down? Oh yes, I forgot Noah was not an actual historical person thus , he wrote nothing. His story was written much later in time by priests harking back to an earlier time and using the real source of the flood story and plagiarizing it to fit their fake history.

[Deleted]

Mar 5, 2020 23:56:32 GMT -5 intelchips said:

Mar 5, 2020 21:57:52 GMT -5 @wally said:

ummm noah was before abraham i believe...just sayin

'That was not what I was pointing out and I feel you knew that. However, just write if off as I'm not that great of a communicator and need others to explane me.

The earliest Sumerian Gilgamesh poems date from as early as the Third dynasty of Ur (2100–2000 BC). One of these poems mentions Gilgamesh’s journey to meet the flood hero, as well as a short version of the flood story. The earliest Akkadian versions of the unified epic are dated to ca. 2000–1500 BC. Due to the fragmentary nature of these Old Babylonian versions, it is unclear whether they included an expanded account of the flood myth; although one fragment definitely includes the story of Gilgamesh’s journey to meet Utnapiim. The "standard" Akkadian version included a long version of the flood story and was edited by Sin-liqe-unninni sometime between 1300 and 1000 BC.

What date does your book say Noah was writing his tail down? Oh yes, I forgot Noah was not an actual historical person thus , he wrote nothing. His story was written much later in time by priests harking back to an earlier time and using the real source of the flood story and plagiarizing it to fit their fake history.

it was almost half your post, just pointing out the timeline error...

[Deleted]

Animals Went in Two By Two.

1. The animals went in two by two, Hurrah! Hurrah!
The animals went in two by two, Hurrah! Hurrah!
The animals went in two by two,
the elephant and the kangaroo,
and they all went into the ark for to get out of the rain, rain.


So maybe WI didn't start the 2x2's, it could have been Noah.

[intelchips]

Mar 5, 2020 22:12:17 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

Mar 5, 2020 21:57:52 GMT -5 @wally said:

ummm noah was before abraham i believe...just sayin'

Did you watch the video, wally?



If you did I am afraid you missed the point.

dmmichgood


You must give Wally a break. It’s not his fault. He only went to school for two days in his whole life in his brothers place. The rest of the time he got up at 5 AM went out in the snow to feed the chickens gather the eggs and milk all two both cows. Then back to the house to make breakfast for his brother and sisters so they could get off to school on time. And then he was back out with the mule plowing the lower forty. So lets give him a break, Okay? Besides that he is a pure catonium and as such looks at the world in with a very romantic view while I hold a classical view. Thus he is not aware that it was Abraham that brought with him all the stories that were then place in writing at an earlier period to give the Israelite's a history that could compete with the more grander nations that surrounded them. And that's all I have to say on this subject.

[Deleted]

Mar 7, 2020 15:52:11 GMT -5 intelchips said:

Mar 5, 2020 22:12:17 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

Did you watch the video, wally?



If you did I am afraid you missed the point.

dmmichgood


You must give Wally a break. It’s not his fault. He only went to school for two days in his whole life in his brothers place. The rest of the time he got up at 5 AM went out in the snow to feed the chickens gather the eggs and milk all two both cows. Then back to the house to make breakfast for his brother and sisters so they could get off to school on time. And then he was back out with the mule plowing the lower forty. So lets give him a break, Okay? Besides that he is a pure catonium and as such looks at the world in with a very romantic view while I hold a classical view. Thus he is not aware that it was Abraham that brought with him all the stories that were then place in writing at an earlier period to give the Israelite's a history that could compete with the more grander nations that surrounded them. And that's all I have to say on this subject.

your a good fiction writer, but don't give up your day job....just sayin'

[xna]

Mar 4, 2020 22:18:44 GMT -5 believingjesus said:

Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Y-E-S.L

 

















  

[Dan]

When they climbed Mt Everest in 1953, Edmund Hillary got up to the 26 000 foot level and he began to find sea shells and petrified clams. So yes, Noah was obviously quite a trickster to pull off a hoax like that.

[dmmichgood]

Mar 8, 2020 1:12:27 GMT -5 Dan said:

When they climbed Mt Everest in 1953, Edmund Hillary got up to the 26 000 foot level and he began to find sea shells and petrified clams. So yes, Noah was obviously quite a trickster to pull off a hoax like that.

I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found  "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet.
Because  mountains are formed when tectonic plates  collide  and push upwards through the crust if the earth.

Naturally if that area of the earths crust  had once  been a seabed,  you are going to find sea shells.
My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot  crinoid* fossils.

       * See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html

When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed,  my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft!

[nathan]

Mar 8, 2020 3:09:12 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

Mar 8, 2020 1:12:27 GMT -5 Dan said:

When they climbed Mt Everest in 1953, Edmund Hillary got up to the 26 000 foot level and he began to find sea shells and petrified clams. So yes, Noah was obviously quite a trickster to pull off a hoax like that.

I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found  "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet.
Because  mountains are formed when tectonic plates  collide  and push upwards through the crust if the earth.

Naturally if that area of the earths crust  had once  been a seabed,  you are going to find sea shells.
My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot  crinoid* fossils.

       * See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html

When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed,  my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft!

Do you have any proof or documents to show us that Mt. Everest had been pushed up to 26,000 feet after the days of Noah. Could it be that Mt. Everest had it been the same 26,000 feet level before the days of Noah. Remember, the Earth is billions years old and the tectonic plates collided and pushed upwards through the crush of the earth LONG before Noah's flood.

[curlywurlysammagee]

Mar 8, 2020 1:12:27 GMT -5 Dan said:

When they climbed Mt Everest in 1953, Edmund Hillary got up to the 26 000 foot level and he began to find sea shells and petrified clams. So yes, Noah was obviously quite a trickster to pull off a hoax like that.

Show us a link for this please Dan.

[Dan]

Mar 8, 2020 3:09:12 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

Mar 8, 2020 1:12:27 GMT -5 Dan said:

When they climbed Mt Everest in 1953, Edmund Hillary got up to the 26 000 foot level and he began to find sea shells and petrified clams. So yes, Noah was obviously quite a trickster to pull off a hoax like that.

I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found  "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet.
Because  mountains are formed when tectonic plates  collide  and push upwards through the crust if the earth.

Naturally if that area of the earths crust  had once  been a seabed,  you are going to find sea shells.
My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot  crinoid* fossils.

       * See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html

When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed,  my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft!

Well, it was on the internet, so it has got to be true ... But the bigger point is that seashells have been found on mountains, which is evidence of a lot of water covering the earth. Perhaps the shifting of tectonic plates was Genesis 1: 9-10? "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas".

Found in Appalachian Mountains region of Kentucky

[curlywurlysammagee]

Mar 8, 2020 11:34:51 GMT -5 nathan said:

Mar 8, 2020 3:09:12 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found  "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet.
Because  mountains are formed when tectonic plates  collide  and push upwards through the crust if the earth.

Naturally if that area of the earths crust  had once  been a seabed,  you are going to find sea shells.
My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot  crinoid* fossils.

       * See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html

When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed,  my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft!

Do you have any proof or documents to show us that Mt. Everest had been pushed up to 26,000 feet after the days of Noah. Could it be that Mt. Everest had it been the same 26,000 feet level before the days of Noah. Remember, the Earth is billions years old and the tectonic plates collided and pushed upwards through the crush of the earth LONG before Noah's flood.

Nathan, you really know how to get yourself tied up in knots. www.researchgate.net/publication/230022213_Geology_of_the_summit_limestone_of_Mount_Qomolangma_Everest_and_cooling_history_of_the_Yellow_Band_under_the_Qomolangma_detachment

There is some really good illustrations on this site.   www.volcanocafe.org/fossils-of-mount-everest/

[curlywurlysammagee]

Mar 8, 2020 12:23:47 GMT -5 Dan said:

Mar 8, 2020 3:09:12 GMT -5 dmmichgood said:

I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found  "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet.
Because  mountains are formed when tectonic plates  collide  and push upwards through the crust if the earth.

Naturally if that area of the earths crust  had once  been a seabed,  you are going to find sea shells.
My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot  crinoid* fossils.

       * See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html

When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed,  my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft!

Well, it was on the internet, so it has got to be true ... But the bigger point is that seashells have been found on mountains, which is evidence of a lot of water covering the earth. Perhaps the shifting of tectonic plates was Genesis 1: 9-10? "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas".

Tectonic plates continue to shift today. Have you not heard of earthquakes.

[Dan]

Mar 8, 2020 12:27:01 GMT -5 curlywurlysammagee said:

Mar 8, 2020 12:23:47 GMT -5 Dan said:

Well, it was on the internet, so it has got to be true ... But the bigger point is that seashells have been found on mountains, which is evidence of a lot of water covering the earth. Perhaps the shifting of tectonic plates was Genesis 1: 9-10? "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas".

Tectonic plates continue to shift today. Have you not heard of earthquakes.

Yes, but haven't seen any new mountain ranges springing up lately due to earthquakes.

I'm a little surprised to hear nonbelievers not believing that sea shells have been found on land? I have seen it myself. 

[matisse]

Mar 8, 2020 12:47:59 GMT -5 Dan said:

Mar 8, 2020 12:27:01 GMT -5 curlywurlysammagee said:

Tectonic plates continue to shift today. Have you not heard of earthquakes.

Yes, but haven't seen any new mountain ranges springing up lately due to earthquakes.

I'm a little surprised to hear nonbelievers not believing that sea shells have been found on land? I have seen it myself. 

Who has said they don't believe that seashells have been found on mountains?

There are scientific explanations for this that don't involve Noah or a global flood.

[xna]

Mar 8, 2020 1:12:27 GMT -5 Dan said:

When they climbed Mt Everest in 1953, Edmund Hillary got up to the 26 000 foot level and he began to find sea shells and petrified clams. So yes, Noah was obviously quite a trickster to pull off a hoax like that.