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Post by intelchips on Mar 8, 2020 14:39:46 GMT -5
Mountains are first formed and then pushed into shape. Movements of tectonic plates create volcanoes along the plate boundaries, which erupt and form mountains. A volcanic arc system is a series of volcanoes that form near a subduction zone where the crust of a sinking oceanic plate melts and drags water down with the subducting crust.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 8, 2020 16:15:39 GMT -5
Tectonic plates continue to shift today. Have you not heard of earthquakes.
Yes, but haven't seen any new mountain ranges springing up lately due to earthquakes. I'm a little surprised to hear nonbelievers not believing that sea shells have been found on land? I have seen it myself.
I have seen the remnants of seashells high in the mountains myself. Tectonic plate movement does not have to create new mountain ranges. The existing ones could be raised up further. In the case of the recent Kaikoura earthquake, it raised the sea shore in some places by several metres. That is not the first time in the last 200 years that has occurred in that area. What does surprise me about believers who have seen shells on land or even limestone, that they do not understand the process by which it got there. Many of you atribute it to a supernatural being.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 8, 2020 16:17:27 GMT -5
Mountains are first formed and then pushed into shape. Movements of tectonic plates create volcanoes along the plate boundaries, which erupt and form mountains. A volcanic arc system is a series of volcanoes that form near a subduction zone where the crust of a sinking oceanic plate melts and drags water down with the subducting crust. Not entirely correct. There are many mountains formed without volcanism. The Southern Alps is an example.
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Post by snow on Mar 8, 2020 16:41:41 GMT -5
When they climbed Mt Everest in 1953, Edmund Hillary got up to the 26 000 foot level and he began to find sea shells and petrified clams. So yes, Noah was obviously quite a trickster to pull off a hoax like that. I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet. Because mountains are formed when tectonic plates collide and push upwards through the crust if the earth.
Naturally if that area of the earths crust had once been a seabed, you are going to find sea shells. My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot crinoid* fossils.
* See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html
When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed, my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft! Nothing like a little science knowledge about how things work to take the mystery out of it all! There is soooo much evidence that a world wide flood is a total impossibility but with faith that can be ignored of course.
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Post by snow on Mar 8, 2020 16:46:53 GMT -5
Tectonic plates continue to shift today. Have you not heard of earthquakes. Yes, but haven't seen any new mountain ranges springing up lately due to earthquakes. I'm a little surprised to hear nonbelievers not believing that sea shells have been found on land? I have seen it myself.
No one said we don't believe seashells have been found on land. In fact, dmg said she wasn't surprised. I have seen them out in the middle of desert land. xna just gave you a few very good links to listen to so that you can understand why a world wide flood never happened, but also why it's impossible to have happened. Don't listen to them if you want to keep on believe in Noah and his Ark, which is yet one more absurd story with no probable possibility of being true.
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Post by intelchips on Mar 8, 2020 18:29:31 GMT -5
Mountains are first formed and then pushed into shape. Movements of tectonic plates create volcanoes along the plate boundaries, which erupt and form mountains. A volcanic arc system is a series of volcanoes that form near a subduction zone where the crust of a sinking oceanic plate melts and drags water down with the subducting crust. Not entirely correct. There are many mountains formed without volcanism. The Southern Alps is an example. Though poorly written I thought I gave two descriptions on how they were created. One without the other with.
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Post by Dan on Mar 8, 2020 22:20:37 GMT -5
Yes, but haven't seen any new mountain ranges springing up lately due to earthquakes. I'm a little surprised to hear nonbelievers not believing that sea shells have been found on land? I have seen it myself.
No one said we don't believe seashells have been found on land. In fact, dmg said she wasn't surprised. I have seen them out in the middle of desert land. xna just gave you a few very good links to listen to so that you can understand why a world wide flood never happened, but also why it's impossible to have happened. Don't listen to them if you want to keep on believe in Noah and his Ark, which is yet one more absurd story with no probable possibility of being true.
The flood aside, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear". Its very likely that God did this by dramatically shifting the tectonic plates. Perhaps geologists are finally catching-up with what the bible described many moons aloft.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 8, 2020 22:31:28 GMT -5
No one said we don't believe seashells have been found on land. In fact, dmg said she wasn't surprised. I have seen them out in the middle of desert land. xna just gave you a few very good links to listen to so that you can understand why a world wide flood never happened, but also why it's impossible to have happened. Don't listen to them if you want to keep on believe in Noah and his Ark, which is yet one more absurd story with no probable possibility of being true.
The flood aside, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear". Its very likely that God did this by dramatically shifting the tectonic plates. Perhaps geologists are finally catching-up with what the bible described many moons aloft.
More god of the gaps stuff. Come back in a million or so years and try telling us that it was your god that split the African continent in two. As an example of how tectonic plates continue to move.
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Post by nathan on Mar 8, 2020 23:52:51 GMT -5
No one said we don't believe seashells have been found on land. In fact, dmg said she wasn't surprised. I have seen them out in the middle of desert land. xna just gave you a few very good links to listen to so that you can understand why a world wide flood never happened, but also why it's impossible to have happened. Don't listen to them if you want to keep on believe in Noah and his Ark, which is yet one more absurd story with no probable possibility of being true.
The flood aside, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear". Its very likely that God did this by dramatically shifting the tectonic plates. Perhaps geologists are finally catching-up with what the bible described many moons aloft.
World Underwater A Creationist Perspective:When the first humans rebelled against the Creator, they brought death and decay into the universe. Over the next 1,500 years, violence increased to the point that the holy God announced that He was destroying the earth by a global Flood. God first told Noah to build an Ark to protect his family and to house representatives of every kind of land animal and bird. God then brought hand-picked animals onto the Ark and shut the door. The earth had been a time-bomb waiting to go off. Far away, in the depths of the world’s ocean, catastrophe struck. The earth had been a time-bomb waiting to go off. Cold, dense material at the seafloor was floating on top of hot, lighter material deeper in the mantle. The seafloor suddenly broke open in the middle, while the edges began diving into the mantle below. The crack in the seafloor spread around the globe. As hot magma rose into these cracks, seawater flashed instantly into steam. Supersonic jets of steam roared into the upper atmosphere, carrying seawater with them. Clouds of this ejected material spread out across the planet, cooled, and fell in torrents on land and sea. As cold ocean crust was replaced with hot, expanded magma, the seafloor rose, and with it, the sea level rose worldwide. Step by step, the rising waters wiped out the environments that God had carefully created, beginning with hot-water reefs at the edges of the continental shelves, then the shallow sea environments near the shore, where trilobites and other strange creatures thrived. Next to perish was a bizarre forest that floated atop the pre-Flood oceans, hosting a range of semi-aquatic creatures like Tiktaalik. Moving inexorably forward, the Flood’s tidal waves washed away the continent’s beaches, depositing vast layers of sand that later became the Permo-Triassic sandstones of the world. Moving inland, the waves destroyed forests, swamps, and grasslands filled with different, well-designed ecosystems. The waters kept rising until the highest mountains were covered. As environments were systematically inundated, the plummeting seafloor dragged continents along at five to ten miles per hour. In the course of the year-long Flood, the original continent was ripped apart, the pieces were reassembled into a supercontinent known as Pangaea, and Pangaea was pulled apart into the present configuration of continents. answersingenesis.org/the-flood/global/world-underwater/
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 9, 2020 0:18:20 GMT -5
The flood aside, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear". Its very likely that God did this by dramatically shifting the tectonic plates. Perhaps geologists are finally catching-up with what the bible described many moons aloft.
World Underwater A Creationist Perspective:When the first humans rebelled against the Creator, they brought death and decay into the universe. Over the next 1,500 years, violence increased to the point that the holy God announced that He was destroying the earth by a global Flood. God first told Noah to build an Ark to protect his family and to house representatives of every kind of land animal and bird. God then brought hand-picked animals onto the Ark and shut the door. The earth had been a time-bomb waiting to go off. Far away, in the depths of the world’s ocean, catastrophe struck. The earth had been a time-bomb waiting to go off. Cold, dense material at the seafloor was floating on top of hot, lighter material deeper in the mantle. The seafloor suddenly broke open in the middle, while the edges began diving into the mantle below. The crack in the seafloor spread around the globe. As hot magma rose into these cracks, seawater flashed instantly into steam. Supersonic jets of steam roared into the upper atmosphere, carrying seawater with them. Clouds of this ejected material spread out across the planet, cooled, and fell in torrents on land and sea. As cold ocean crust was replaced with hot, expanded magma, the seafloor rose, and with it, the sea level rose worldwide. Step by step, the rising waters wiped out the environments that God had carefully created, beginning with hot-water reefs at the edges of the continental shelves, then the shallow sea environments near the shore, where trilobites and other strange creatures thrived. Next to perish was a bizarre forest that floated atop the pre-Flood oceans, hosting a range of semi-aquatic creatures like Tiktaalik. Moving inexorably forward, the Flood’s tidal waves washed away the continent’s beaches, depositing vast layers of sand that later became the Permo-Triassic sandstones of the world. Moving inland, the waves destroyed forests, swamps, and grasslands filled with different, well-designed ecosystems. The waters kept rising until the highest mountains were covered. As environments were systematically inundated, the plummeting seafloor dragged continents along at five to ten miles per hour. In the course of the year-long Flood, the original continent was ripped apart, the pieces were reassembled into a supercontinent known as Pangaea, and Pangaea was pulled apart into the present configuration of continents. answersingenesis.org/the-flood/global/world-underwater/That is the funniest god of the gaps crap I have ever read. You really need to start reading some good science Nathan.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 9, 2020 2:29:39 GMT -5
I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet. Because mountains are formed when tectonic plates collide and push upwards through the crust if the earth.
Naturally if that area of the earths crust had once been a seabed, you are going to find sea shells. My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot crinoid* fossils.
* See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html
When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed, my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft! Well, it was on the internet, so it has got to be true ... But the bigger point is that seashells have been found on mountains, which is evidence of a lot of water covering the earth. Perhaps the shifting of tectonic plates was Genesis 1: 9-10? "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas". Found in Appalachian Mountains region of Kentucky
I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet. Because mountains are formed when tectonic plates collide and push upwards through the crust if the earth.
Naturally if that area of the earths crust had once been a seabed, you are going to find sea shells. My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot crinoid* fossils.
* See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html
When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed, my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft! Well, it was on the internet, so it has got to be true ... But the bigger point is that seashells have been found on mountains, which is evidence of seashells have been found on mountains, which is evidence of a lot of water covering the earth.Perhaps the shifting of tectonic plates was Genesis 1: 9-10? "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas". Found in Appalachian Mountains region of Kentucky
Why your comment, "Well, it was on the internet, so it has got to be true ?"
Dan, -maybe you should read my post again. I was quoting a personal experience that happened a long time before we even had the internet.
My husband didn't live long enough to know anything about the internet. But he knew when he saw crinoid fossils what they were & where they came from.
He also was professing and continued to do so 'til his death. He also had the good sense to know that seashells found on mountains was not due to "a lot of water covering the earth."
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 9, 2020 2:41:04 GMT -5
World Underwater A Creationist Perspective:When the first humans rebelled against the Creator, they brought death and decay into the universe. Over the next 1,500 years, violence increased to the point that the holy God announced that He was destroying the earth by a global Flood. God first told Noah to build an Ark to protect his family and to house representatives of every kind of land animal and bird. God then brought hand-picked animals onto the Ark and shut the door. The earth had been a time-bomb waiting to go off. Far away, in the depths of the world’s ocean, catastrophe struck. The earth had been a time-bomb waiting to go off. Cold, dense material at the seafloor was floating on top of hot, lighter material deeper in the mantle. The seafloor suddenly broke open in the middle, while the edges began diving into the mantle below. The crack in the seafloor spread around the globe. As hot magma rose into these cracks, seawater flashed instantly into steam. Supersonic jets of steam roared into the upper atmosphere, carrying seawater with them. Clouds of this ejected material spread out across the planet, cooled, and fell in torrents on land and sea. As cold ocean crust was replaced with hot, expanded magma, the seafloor rose, and with it, the sea level rose worldwide. Step by step, the rising waters wiped out the environments that God had carefully created, beginning with hot-water reefs at the edges of the continental shelves, then the shallow sea environments near the shore, where trilobites and other strange creatures thrived. Next to perish was a bizarre forest that floated atop the pre-Flood oceans, hosting a range of semi-aquatic creatures like Tiktaalik. Moving inexorably forward, the Flood’s tidal waves washed away the continent’s beaches, depositing vast layers of sand that later became the Permo-Triassic sandstones of the world. Moving inland, the waves destroyed forests, swamps, and grasslands filled with different, well-designed ecosystems. The waters kept rising until the highest mountains were covered. As environments were systematically inundated, the plummeting seafloor dragged continents along at five to ten miles per hour. In the course of the year-long Flood, the original continent was ripped apart, the pieces were reassembled into a supercontinent known as Pangaea, and Pangaea was pulled apart into the present configuration of continents. answersingenesis.org/the-flood/global/world-underwater/ That is the funniest god of the gaps crap I have ever read. You really need to start reading some good science Nathan. What I find comic is that although "hot magna" and "mantle" were not even known in those days, -these creationists today cleverly work those "scientific " terms into their belief all the while denouncing the very scientific source that they came from!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 9, 2020 4:00:09 GMT -5
That is the funniest god of the gaps crap I have ever read. You really need to start reading some good science Nathan. What I find comic is that although "hot magna" and "mantle" were not even known in those days, -these creationists today cleverly work those "scientific " terms into their belief all the while denouncing the very scientific source that they came from! The other comical bit about that story of Nathan's is, "How would anyone survive such a stupendous amount of volcanic activity? I have read quite a bit about volcanic activity and survival would be more by good luck than good management. I read this stuff because NZ has had several volcanic events in the super volcano realm. Another words more than a 1000 cubic kilometres of stuff thrown out. For NZers reading this, Wellington Harbour holds about 4 cubic kilometres. Mt St Helens 1980 eruption was I think was about 3 cubic kilometres. A boat would be useless as a safe haven if there was world wide volcanic activity. Do the writers of this garbage ever stop to think about what they are writing? Hopefully Nathan and Wally etc are not around to see Yellowstone throw a tantrum. A couple of thousand cubic kilometres would devastate North America. The earth would cool down for a few years. Drought and famine would be widespread because of the colder climate. Plagues such as bubonic which does best in cold climates would thrive and kill millions. When the creationists write this stuff do they ever stop to think about these things?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 4:52:47 GMT -5
What I find comic is that although "hot magna" and "mantle" were not even known in those days, -these creationists today cleverly work those "scientific " terms into their belief all the while denouncing the very scientific source that they came from! The other comical bit about that story of Nathan's is, "How would anyone survive such a stupendous amount of volcanic activity? I have read quite a bit about volcanic activity and survival would be more by good luck than good management. I read this stuff because NZ has had several volcanic events in the super volcano realm. Another words more than a 1000 cubic kilometres of stuff thrown out. For NZers reading this, Wellington Harbour holds about 4 cubic kilometres. Mt St Helens 1980 eruption was I think was about 3 cubic kilometres. A boat would be useless as a safe haven if there was world wide volcanic activity. Do the writers of this garbage ever stop to think about what they are writing? Hopefully Nathan and Wally etc are not around to see Yellowstone throw a tantrum. A couple of thousand cubic kilometres would devastate North America. The earth would cool down for a few years. Drought and famine would be widespread because of the colder climate. Plagues such as bubonic which does best in cold climates would thrive and kill millions. When the creationists write this stuff do they ever stop to think about these things? until nathan posted that story/link i have never heard of ANY creationist suggest magma or volcanos were involved in the flood story...the story in genesis doesn't mention them either...
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 9, 2020 5:26:26 GMT -5
What I find comic is that although "hot magna" and "mantle" were not even known in those days, -these creationists today cleverly work those "scientific " terms into their belief all the while denouncing the very scientific source that they came from! The other comical bit about that story of Nathan's is, "How would anyone survive such a stupendous amount of volcanic activity? I have read quite a bit about volcanic activity and survival would be more by good luck than good management. I read this stuff because NZ has had several volcanic events in the super volcano realm. Another words more than a 1000 cubic kilometres of stuff thrown out. For NZers reading this, Wellington Harbour holds about 4 cubic kilometres. Mt St Helens 1980 eruption was I think was about 3 cubic kilometres. A boat would be useless as a safe haven if there was world wide volcanic activity. Do the writers of this garbage ever stop to think about what they are writing? Hopefully Nathan and Wally etc are not around to see Yellowstone throw a tantrum. A couple of thousand cubic kilometres would devastate North America. The earth would cool down for a few years. Drought and famine would be widespread because of the colder climate. Plagues such as bubonic which does best in cold climates would thrive and kill millions. When the creationists write this stuff do they ever stop to think about these things? I'm afraid that often those who believe those creationists just don't know history very well.
A volcanic winter is a reduction in global temperatures caused by volcanic ash and droplets of sulfuric acid and water obscuring the Sun and raising Earth's albedo (increasing the reflection of solar radiation) after a large, particularly explosive volcanic eruption.
Long-term cooling effects are primarily dependent upon injection of sulfur gasses into the stratosphere where they undergo a series of reactions to create sulfuric acid which can nucleate and form aerosols. Volcanic stratospheric aerosols cool the surface by reflecting solar radiation and warm the stratosphere by absorbing terrestrial radiation. The variations in atmospheric warming and cooling result in changes in tropospheric and stratospheric circulation.
Here are only a few:
1815 The 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora, a stratovolcano in Indonesia caused what came to be known as the "Year Without a Summer" of 1816. Europe, still recuperating from the Napoleonic Wars, suffered from food shortages. Food riots broke out in the United Kingdom and France, and grain warehouses were looted. The violence was worst in landlocked Switzerland, where famine caused the government to declare a national emergency. Huge storms and abnormal rainfall with flooding of Europe's major rivers (including the Rhine) are attributed to the event, as is the August frost. A major typhus epidemic occurred in Ireland between 1816 and 1819, precipitated by the famine. An estimated 100,000 Irish perished during this period. A BBC documentary, using figures compiled in Switzerland, estimated that the fatality rates in 1816 were twice that of average years, giving an approximate European fatality total of 200,000 deaths. The corn crop in Northeastern North America failed, due to mid-summer frosts in New York State and June snowfalls in New England and Newfoundland and Labrador. The crop failures in New England, Canada, and parts of Europe also caused the price of wheat, grains, meat, vegetables, butter, milk, and flour to rise sharply.
1315-1317 The Great Famine of 1315–1317 in Europe may have been precipitated by a volcanic event,[11] perhaps that of Mount Tarawera, New Zealand, lasting about five years.[12][13]
1257 The 1257 Samalas eruption in Indonesia. The eruption left behind a large caldera next to Rinjani, with Lake Segara Anak inside it.[14] This eruption probably had a Volcanic Explosivity Index of 7, making it one of the largest eruptions of the current Holocene epoch. An examination of ice cores showed a large spike in sulfate deposition around 1257. This was strong evidence of a large eruption having occurred somewhere in the world. In 2013, scientists proved that the eruption occurred at Mount Samalas. This eruption had four distinct phases, alternately creating eruption columns reaching tens of kilometres into the atmosphere and pyroclastic flows burying large parts of Lombok Island. The flows destroyed human habitations, including the city of Pamatan. Ash from the eruption fell as far away as Java Island. The volcano deposited more than 10 cubic kilometres (2.4 cu mi) of material. The eruption was witnessed by people who recorded it on palm leaves, the Babad Lombok. Later volcanic activity created additional volcanic centres in the caldera, including the Barujari cone that remains active. The aerosols injected into the atmosphere reduced the solar radiation reaching the Earth's surface, which cooled the atmosphere for several years and led to famines and crop failures in Europe and elsewhere, although the exact scale of the temperature anomalies and their consequences is still debated. It is possible that the eruption helped trigger the Little Ice Age.
We were on island that was what was left of a very large eruption of a volcano near Greece. Interesting that the sand was black instead of tan.
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 9, 2020 9:24:35 GMT -5
It’s interesting how these story’s in genesis owe a great deal to ancient near east mythology. The story of Ziusudra is a Sumerian story dating to the 3rd millennium B.C.E. and is very similar the the flood story in genesis.. a flood occurs as a result of a divine decision. One individual is chosen to be rescued and is given very specific instructions on the construction of a boat and who to bring on board. A flood comes and destroys all living things and the the boat comes to rest on a mountain top. The hero sends birds to reconnoiter the land, and when he comes out of the ark, he offers a sacrifice to his god.
So basically the same narrative elements appear in both the Sumerian flood story and the flood story of genesis. The flood story in Genesis is simply an Israelite version of a flood story from long before. The writer of the genesis flood story transforms the story so that it becomes the basis for expression of different values and views. Christians seem to be blind to the fact that biblical traditions have roots that stretch deep into earlier times and into the surrounding lands and traditions..
Same could be said for the creation story in genesis 1, that has similar themes found in the Babylonian creation epic know as the Enuma Elish, and the first human pair in the garden of eden from genesis 2 and 3 has clear similarities with a near eastern epic know as the epic of Gilgamesh where a hero embarks on a search for immortality. But those are a story’s for another day...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 9, 2020 11:26:15 GMT -5
The other comical bit about that story of Nathan's is, "How would anyone survive such a stupendous amount of volcanic activity? I have read quite a bit about volcanic activity and survival would be more by good luck than good management. I read this stuff because NZ has had several volcanic events in the super volcano realm. Another words more than a 1000 cubic kilometres of stuff thrown out. For NZers reading this, Wellington Harbour holds about 4 cubic kilometres. Mt St Helens 1980 eruption was I think was about 3 cubic kilometres. A boat would be useless as a safe haven if there was world wide volcanic activity. Do the writers of this garbage ever stop to think about what they are writing? Hopefully Nathan and Wally etc are not around to see Yellowstone throw a tantrum. A couple of thousand cubic kilometres would devastate North America. The earth would cool down for a few years. Drought and famine would be widespread because of the colder climate. Plagues such as bubonic which does best in cold climates would thrive and kill millions. When the creationists write this stuff do they ever stop to think about these things? until nathan posted that story/link i have never heard of ANY creationist suggest magma or volcanos were involved in the flood story...the story in genesis doesn't mention them either... That is correct. I have read accounts similar to his on religious sites. Do you live upwind or downwind of Yellowstone and how far away?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 11:55:25 GMT -5
until nathan posted that story/link i have never heard of ANY creationist suggest magma or volcanos were involved in the flood story...the story in genesis doesn't mention them either... That is correct. I have read accounts similar to his on religious sites. Do you live upwind or downwind of Yellowstone and how far away? upwind about 500-600 miles?
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Post by snow on Mar 9, 2020 17:35:53 GMT -5
No one said we don't believe seashells have been found on land. In fact, dmg said she wasn't surprised. I have seen them out in the middle of desert land. xna just gave you a few very good links to listen to so that you can understand why a world wide flood never happened, but also why it's impossible to have happened. Don't listen to them if you want to keep on believe in Noah and his Ark, which is yet one more absurd story with no probable possibility of being true.
The flood aside, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear". Its very likely that God did this by dramatically shifting the tectonic plates. Perhaps geologists are finally catching-up with what the bible described many moons aloft.
Well all I can say is, watch what xna posted. Explain where all the water came from and where it all went. Then explain how anyone could actually breathe in an environment that was 100% water? Then explain.... the list is endless as to why a worldwide flood just isn't even a remote possibility scientifically.
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Post by snow on Mar 9, 2020 17:39:10 GMT -5
What I find comic is that although "hot magna" and "mantle" were not even known in those days, -these creationists today cleverly work those "scientific " terms into their belief all the while denouncing the very scientific source that they came from! The other comical bit about that story of Nathan's is, "How would anyone survive such a stupendous amount of volcanic activity? I have read quite a bit about volcanic activity and survival would be more by good luck than good management. I read this stuff because NZ has had several volcanic events in the super volcano realm. Another words more than a 1000 cubic kilometres of stuff thrown out. For NZers reading this, Wellington Harbour holds about 4 cubic kilometres. Mt St Helens 1980 eruption was I think was about 3 cubic kilometres. A boat would be useless as a safe haven if there was world wide volcanic activity. Do the writers of this garbage ever stop to think about what they are writing? Hopefully Nathan and Wally etc are not around to see Yellowstone throw a tantrum. A couple of thousand cubic kilometres would devastate North America. The earth would cool down for a few years. Drought and famine would be widespread because of the colder climate. Plagues such as bubonic which does best in cold climates would thrive and kill millions. When the creationists write this stuff do they ever stop to think about these things? A volcano like that would have spiked an ice age not a flood. But I guess ice ages just didn't happen in a creationists life. www.livescience.com/18205-ice-age-volcanoes-sea-ice.html
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 21:17:39 GMT -5
When they climbed Mt Everest in 1953, Edmund Hillary got up to the 26 000 foot level and he began to find sea shells and petrified clams. So yes, Noah was obviously quite a trickster to pull off a hoax like that. 😄
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 21:20:10 GMT -5
I don't doubt that Edmund Hillary found "sea shells and petrified clams" at 26,000 feet. Because mountains are formed when tectonic plates collide and push upwards through the crust if the earth.
Naturally if that area of the earths crust had once been a seabed, you are going to find sea shells. My stepfather had a small hill beside his house where we would find a lot crinoid* fossils.
* See: www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/fossilfocus/crinoid.html
When my husband told him that area had once been a sea bed, my stepfather looked at him like he thought he was daft!
Well, it was on the internet, so it has got to be true ... But the bigger point is that seashells have been found on mountains, which is evidence of a lot of water covering the earth. Perhaps the shifting of tectonic plates was Genesis 1: 9-10? "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas".
Found in Appalachian Mountains region of Kentucky
Well that certainly clinches it for me! OBVIOUSLY if it said it on the internet it's true!😂
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Post by iam on Mar 10, 2020 21:22:56 GMT -5
Yes, but haven't seen any new mountain ranges springing up lately due to earthquakes. I'm a little surprised to hear nonbelievers not believing that sea shells have been found on land? I have seen it myself.
Who has said they don't believe that seashells have been found on mountains? There are scientific explanations for this that don't involve Noah or a global flood. Absolutely! For many, science is God.
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