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Post by snow on Aug 6, 2017 13:14:34 GMT -5
You obviously don't understand evolution if you have to ask me if evolution has a reason to stop. We are the product of evolution and if earth continues to exist we will continue to be the product of evolution. Not just humans but all species. It's all a'changin! You do u derstand that Joe Smith was somewhat of an evolutionist, and he believed human beings weren't done evolving (like you claim too) As a Freemason , he was a member of the society that did all they could to push evolution and deny other beliefs. In fact , it would not surprize me if some people are required to believe that humans will evolve into (gods?) gods? But , it doesn't concern me at this moment because I do not subscribe to human evolution, and it seems many evolutionist really do not believe we will achieve Immortal status!? , without believing in an afterlife. Either you accept that we have stopped evolving, or you do not know how much "better" your descendants will evolve ? Hmm✌️😉 Well thankfully evolution does not require anyone's belief in it. It simply is the way things are. Joseph Smith was a psycho and yes he did believe that they will become Gods. Stupid since there are no Gods in the first place. Evolution does not give any guarantees that our descendants will be better. They will be more able to survive likely, but you might not like any of the other ways we do that. You can't just ignore facts because they don't cater to your religious beliefs. If you do you will experience cognitive dissonance to some degree. Depends on how good you are at denying the facts. |
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Post by snow on Aug 6, 2017 13:17:21 GMT -5
You do understand that Joe Smith was somewhat of an evolutionist, and he believed human beings weren't done evolving (like you claim too) As a Freemason , he was a member of the society that did all they could to push evolution and deny other beliefs. In fact , it would not surprize me if some people are required to believe that humans will evolve into (gods?) gods? But , it doesn't concern me at this moment because I do not subscribe to human evolution, and it seems many evolutionist really do not believe we will achieve immortal status, without believing in an afterlife. Either you accept that we have stopped evolving, or you do not know how much "better" your descendants will evolve ? Hmm✌️😉
I do not have to accept either of your options.
We don't have to choose between believing whether we have stopped evolving or not.
Neither do we HAVE to know, -or not know, what our descendants will be like.
It indicates that you really know very little about the whole process of biological evolution.
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It would have been helpful if you would have told us which "Joe Smith" that you were talking about.
He's referring to Joseph Smith the founder of Mormon. They do believe that they become Gods when they die. |
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Post by Proof on Aug 6, 2017 17:02:27 GMT -5
Ok, we do not know how evolution works,,
But are you free to call other "evolution believers" wrong
because they think they know?
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Post by Proof on Aug 6, 2017 17:03:49 GMT -5
How can it be useful if it's so unpredictable??
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Post by Proof on Aug 6, 2017 17:06:14 GMT -5
Not to say I understand, yet it seems to be quite predictably unpredictable!
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Post by So poof on Aug 6, 2017 17:17:11 GMT -5
So Proof Have you considered changing your name to So Poof to harness that magical effect. Yes , it's a magical world !! Thanks. 👍 |
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 7, 2017 2:11:39 GMT -5
Ok, we do not know how evolution works,, But are you free to call other "evolution believers" wrong because they think they know?
Proof, -Are you talking to me?
-Where did you get the impression from my post that "I do not know how evolution works?"
Your question:
"Either you accept that we have stopped evolving, or you do not know how much "better" your descendants will evolve ?
My answer:
"We don't have to choose between believing whether we have stopped evolving or not.
Neither do we HAVE to know, -or not know, what our descendants will be like."
Where in that post did I say that "I did not know how evolution works?"
I answered your "either/ or" question by saying in essence; that we don't know, or for that matter, -need to know we have stopped evolving!
Again in essence, due to the way evolution works- - we also don't know what our descendants will be like.!
Both of those are true statements!
However, I do know how evolution works!
If YOU knew how biological evolution worked , YOU would already know that your "either or" statement couldn't be answered in the affirmative! |
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Post by PrueBert on Aug 7, 2017 3:27:05 GMT -5
Snow quote - "It was abandoned when humanity evolved morally and passed the God of the OT in their new ideas of what was moral
and not. That is the biggest proof that the bible was written over time by men who changed their thinking over the centuries about
what was moral and what wasn't. But if God is the same in the past, today and the future then how would the God of the OT be
different now? Why would the old covenant be abandoned if God's word never changes? Makes no sense."
The God of the New Testament:
condemned the scribes and Pharisees
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces."
condemned the rich
"But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.
condemned the Jewish nation.
"For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side
and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you
did not know the time of your visitation.”
This God destroyed the Jewish nation
burned the temple
drove the survivors into slavery
scattered them over the earth
killed them in the Crusades
killed them in pogroms
killed them in final solutions
drove them from one country to the next
Death toll - about 20 million men, women and children.
Snow. Do you REALLY believe the Old Testament was "abandoned"?
What do you make of the New Testament God?
Which testament murdered more people?
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Post by snow on Aug 7, 2017 14:18:05 GMT -5
Ok, we do not know how evolution works,, But are you free to call other "evolution believers" wrong because they think they know? Sure we do. You need to read some books and you would know how it works too. |
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Post by snow on Aug 7, 2017 14:24:13 GMT -5
How can it be useful if it's so unpredictable?? Evolution doesn't exist to make things the way you want them. It merely takes traits of the person procreating and gives them to the offspring. Those who mature to reproduction age are more likely to have the characteristics necessary to continue the species. Sometimes it's not beneficial (all individuals have weaknesses) and sometimes it's very beneficial to the continuation of the species. That's why we see so many mental and physical issues with inbreeding. They may pass the strengths on, but they also pass on the weaknesses. We are the product of what evolution has reached so far. It will always continue for as long as there are new offspring. We pass on our genes and these slowly evolve over the centuries. Read some books on it. I think if you really understood it you would know it truly is what has been happening. |
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Post by snow on Aug 7, 2017 14:29:45 GMT -5
So Proof Have you considered changing your name to So Poof to harness that magical effect. Yes , it's a magical world !! Thanks. 👍 LOL well at least you're honest. But how it truly works is so much more awesome than just 'poofing' everything into existence. Everyone says that we couldn't have evolved because look how perfect everything is. Of course it's 'perfect' or seems 'perfect' is probably more accurate. It's all we've known, we are the product of our world so we are the life that could survive here. It's not miraculous. We couldn't have turned out any different given what our environment was. If our environment was different then we would be too and we would still think the world was made for us when it's the opposite. Look at all the possibility of different life systems on other planets. If there is any, unless the planet is a water planet like Earth, they will be quite different than us. They would be the product of what could survive in their environment. |
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Post by snow on Aug 7, 2017 14:38:37 GMT -5
Snow quote - "It was abandoned when humanity evolved morally and passed the God of the OT in their new ideas of what was moral
and not. That is the biggest proof that the bible was written over time by men who changed their thinking over the centuries about
what was moral and what wasn't. But if God is the same in the past, today and the future then how would the God of the OT be
different now? Why would the old covenant be abandoned if God's word never changes? Makes no sense." The God of the New Testament: condemned the scribes and Pharisees "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces." condemned the rich "But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. condemned the Jewish nation. "For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.” This God destroyed the Jewish nation burned the temple drove the survivors into slavery scattered them over the earth killed them in the Crusades killed them in pogroms killed them in final solutions drove them from one country to the next Death toll - about 20 million men, women and children. Snow. Do you REALLY believe the Old Testament was "abandoned"?
What do you make of the New Testament God?
Which testament murdered more people? It wasn't God that destroyed the Jewish nation, it was the Romans. It was a combined effort by several nations to drive the survivors into slavery. They spent more time in exile and slavery than in their own land by the way the bible reads. And that was while they still had God's backing. Go figure. The RCC killed them in the Crusades, Hitler killed them in final solutions not God. I think the God of the OT wins over the God of the NT hands down if you believe all the genocides he advocated. Also if you actually believe there was a world wide flood that would have been a huge genocide. The God of the NT is a little less aggressive. As their beliefs changed, so did the characteristics of their God. |
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Post by PrueBert on Aug 7, 2017 19:22:40 GMT -5
Quote - "It wasn't God that destroyed the Jewish nation, it was the Romans."
Think about it. The Old Testament states in many places that the Jews would
lose their land. Some of these prophecies say why. Jacob said there would be
a Jewish nation and it would last till the Messiah came. Daniel said the
temple would stand till the Messiah came.
If you read Josephus you get the distinct impression there was an inevitable
train of improbable events leading to the end of Israel. It's worth reading.
I told one old man at Convention once that there's a place in Egypt where
strong winds can part the water (whether true or not I don't know) naturally.
Oh no, he said, the parting of the Red Sea was an act of God! I looked it
up again - says in Exodus that a "strong wind" blew all night...
And that could have been the eruption of Mt Thera in Santorini, leading to
the plagues of Egypt.
I have no problem in believing God brings the rain. I have no problem in
believing rain comes from the condensation of water vapor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 20:09:44 GMT -5
I have no problem in believing God brings the rain. I have no problem in believing rain comes from the condensation of water vapor. you are a confusing man/woman pruebert |
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Post by Noah's great grandson on Aug 7, 2017 23:32:27 GMT -5
Snow quote - "It was abandoned when humanity evolved morally and passed the God of the OT in their new ideas of what was moral
and not. That is the biggest proof that the bible was written over time by men who changed their thinking over the centuries about
what was moral and what wasn't. But if God is the same in the past, today and the future then how would the God of the OT be
different now? Why would the old covenant be abandoned if God's word never changes? Makes no sense." The God of the New Testament: condemned the scribes and Pharisees "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces." condemned the rich "But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. condemned the Jewish nation. "For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.” This God destroyed the Jewish nation burned the temple drove the survivors into slavery scattered them over the earth killed them in the Crusades killed them in pogroms killed them in final solutions drove them from one country to the next Death toll - about 20 million men, women and children. Snow. Do you REALLY believe the Old Testament was "abandoned"?
What do you make of the New Testament God?
Which testament murdered more people? It wasn't God that destroyed the Jewish nation, it was the Romans. It was a combined effort by several nations to drive the survivors into slavery. They spent more time in exile and slavery than in their own land by the way the bible reads. And that was while they still had God's backing. Go figure. The RCC killed them in the Crusades, Hitler killed them in final solutions not God. I think the God of the OT wins over the God of the NT hands down if you believe all the genocides he advocated. Also if you actually believe there was a world wide flood that would have been a huge genocide. The God of the NT is a little less aggressive. As their beliefs changed, so did the characteristics of their God. If you want to research it, please do, but you might find that the tale of Gilgamesh is about Noah's great grandson (Ham's grandson). Suppose to be written after the flood they wanted to build a tower. , so they could fight with theirCreator He created the first religion, and it isn't very nice. Lots written , might be hard to keep their names straight.. Each language had an equivalent name in their language.... ✌️✌️ |
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Post by Proof on Aug 7, 2017 23:40:55 GMT -5
How can it be useful if it's so unpredictable?? Evolution doesn't exist to make things the way you want them. It merely takes traits of the person procreating and gives them to the offspring. Those who mature to reproduction age are more likely to have the characteristics necessary to continue the species. Sometimes it's not beneficial (all individuals have weaknesses) and sometimes it's very beneficial to the continuation of the species. That's why we see so many mental and physical issues with inbreeding. They may pass the strengths on, but they also pass on the weaknesses. We are the product of what evolution has reached so far. It will always continue for as long as there are new offspring. We pass on our genes and these slowly evolve over the centuries. Read some books on it. I think if you really understood it you would know it truly is what has been happening. Hmm, so Without assuming, please tell me which fossils have proven to bring forth a procreation?  Huh? 😉✌️ |
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Post by snow on Aug 8, 2017 12:38:36 GMT -5
Evolution doesn't exist to make things the way you want them. It merely takes traits of the person procreating and gives them to the offspring. Those who mature to reproduction age are more likely to have the characteristics necessary to continue the species. Sometimes it's not beneficial (all individuals have weaknesses) and sometimes it's very beneficial to the continuation of the species. That's why we see so many mental and physical issues with inbreeding. They may pass the strengths on, but they also pass on the weaknesses. We are the product of what evolution has reached so far. It will always continue for as long as there are new offspring. We pass on our genes and these slowly evolve over the centuries. Read some books on it. I think if you really understood it you would know it truly is what has been happening. Hmm, so Without assuming, please tell me which fossils have proven to bring forth a procreation? Huh? 😉✌️ What? Why would you think a fossil procreates? Only something alive procreates. They likely did their share of passing on their DNA before they died and became a fossil. You really don't know anything about evolution do you. |
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Post by snow on Aug 8, 2017 12:39:53 GMT -5
It wasn't God that destroyed the Jewish nation, it was the Romans. It was a combined effort by several nations to drive the survivors into slavery. They spent more time in exile and slavery than in their own land by the way the bible reads. And that was while they still had God's backing. Go figure. The RCC killed them in the Crusades, Hitler killed them in final solutions not God. I think the God of the OT wins over the God of the NT hands down if you believe all the genocides he advocated. Also if you actually believe there was a world wide flood that would have been a huge genocide. The God of the NT is a little less aggressive. As their beliefs changed, so did the characteristics of their God. If you want to research it, please do, but you might find that the tale of Gilgamesh is about Noah's great grandson (Ham's grandson). Suppose to be written after the flood they wanted to build a tower. , so they could fight with theirCreator He created the first religion, and it isn't very nice. Lots written , might be hard to keep their names straight.. Each language had an equivalent name in their language.... ✌️✌️ The flood story and Noah and his crew are a myth. That's the point. It was a story told by ancient civilizations that got rewrote many times by different cultures in the Middle East. |
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Post by Proof on Aug 8, 2017 17:29:43 GMT -5
A few musings this fine day!!
Which brand of " evolution " is the "only right interpretation "
Been reading that some interpretations just aren't correct, someone please turn this soap opera around'!! 😉
Thanks
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Post by Proof on Aug 8, 2017 17:36:28 GMT -5
If you want to research it, please do, but you might find that the tale of Gilgamesh is about Noah's great grandson (Ham's grandson). Suppose to be written after the flood they wanted to build a tower. , so they could fight with theirCreator He created the first religion, and it isn't very nice. Lots written , might be hard to keep their names straight.. Each language had an equivalent name in their language.... ✌️✌️ The flood story and Noah and his crew are a myth. That's the point. It was a story told by ancient civilizations that got rewrote many times by different cultures in the Middle East. A myth?! ? Things don't fossilize, without a mud, sludge, and deluge. Once fully buried the fossilizing process is in position to fossilize , according to the Material laws of matter processed by its environment |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 18:48:16 GMT -5
If you're actually interested, I'd suggest keeping reading. Evolution is a branch of science, which is constantly being modified by evidence. Science is a human endeavor, and the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection has been modified and tweaked substantially since it's initial debut. The framework is very solid, and makes sense of a variety of biological oddities, but scientists will bicker over minor interpretations of the evidence. This bickering is part of the process, and will lead to gathering of more evidence. I teach it as part of my Genetics course (it's basically Population Genetics), but I charge  |
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Post by PrueBert on Aug 8, 2017 19:24:48 GMT -5
We know precisely how evolution works. Darwin got it right - 1 - there's more offspring than necessary 2 - these offspring vary genetically 3 - those offspring which are better at reproducing will dominate 4 - this causes a genetic shift in the population These utterly simple principles are used in "genetic algorithms" in computers. and we can actually measure the genetic shift from generation to generation. One Mormon told me, "I am okay with Natural Selection, but I don't believe in Evolution!"  |
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Post by PrueBert on Aug 8, 2017 19:30:06 GMT -5
I loved the story of Tiktaalik, the fossil fish:
We had 380 million year old fish
and 320 million year old early amphibians
so, in the middle there must be a fish with strong legs and a neck.
So lets find sediments from about 350 million years old and see if
they contain fossils of a transition lobed fish/tetrapod with such
and such features. And they found Tiktaalik.
nb this doesn't work too well with hominins/humans though.
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Post by Proof on Aug 8, 2017 22:37:08 GMT -5
Hmm, so Without assuming, please tell me which fossils have proven to bring forth a procreation? Huh? 😉✌️ What? Why would you think a fossil procreates? Only something alive procreates. They likely did their share of passing on their DNA before they died and became a fossil. You really don't know anything about evolution do you. Ha , so science uses likely events as proof of it happening?? It's NOT ok to believe that human DNA has junk DNA, How come evolutionists uses that erroneous belief to be swallowed hook line and sinker,?!? I have to say evolutionists have strange ways of filling their Proofs with errors upon errors!!!! 😉 Hmmm So we call this the evolution of an evolution fable!! ( kinda like a "myth" sotospeak. 👌 |
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Post by Proof on Aug 8, 2017 22:57:25 GMT -5
We know precisely how evolution works. Darwin got it right - 1 - there's more offspring than necessary 2 - these offspring vary genetically 3 - those offspring which are better at reproducing will dominate 4 - this causes a genetic shift in the population These utterly simple principles are used in "genetic algorithms" in computers. and we can actually measure the genetic shift from generation to generation. One Mormon told me, "I am okay with Natural Selection, but I don't believe in Evolution!" Ya, this demonstrates that not all mormons believe what their founding "freemasonry " fathers believed?? Erasmus Darwin wrote a book on his beliefs, "Zoonomia" but didn't push it much because many of his patients would been thinking he was whacko,, Hmmmm. Ok? |
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Post by Proof on Aug 8, 2017 23:08:11 GMT -5
If you're actually interested, I'd suggest keeping reading. Evolution is a branch of science, which is constantly being modified by evidence. Science is a human endeavor, and the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection has been modified and tweaked substantially since it's initial debut. The framework is very solid, and makes sense of a variety of biological oddities, but scientists will bicker over minor interpretations of the evidence. This bickering is part of the process, and will lead to gathering of more evidence. I teach it as part of my Genetics course (it's basically Population Genetics), but I charge Do you teach that the theory is still evolving and that man will evolve into a (higher)" life existance"?? There seems to be no right interpretation of the existing artifacts, absolutely no proven rules other than to claim Variation in DNA explains everything!! And that isn't anything like what we find that In the real world variation is all about DNA, DNA. , and more DNA ..... 😉👍 |
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Post by Proof on Aug 8, 2017 23:17:25 GMT -5
Is this what is taught now in evolution??
Only living things procreate??? Hmmm✌️
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Post by Proof on Aug 8, 2017 23:19:58 GMT -5
Nice to see they are beginning to see the "light" !! 👍
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