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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 26, 2017 16:56:15 GMT -5
Yes! shame on them! I firmly believe in freedom of speech in the "public square" but if I am at a bus stop waiting for a bus and can't just up & leave, someone's "free speech" yelled in my ear is a disturbance of MY peace.I might put them on " ignore" , just to be safe! 😉
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You are waiting for your bus and they are yelling, - sometimes even with a bull horn, - I'd appreciate it if you can tell me how I can put them on "ignore." |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 26, 2017 17:04:39 GMT -5
Sister worker Sue Fantini preached in Communist China. She said that despite the atheistic system, people still feel a need for God.
That is WHY religion exists, -people don't want to believe that this life is all that they have because it is pretty crummy at times.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 26, 2017 17:09:46 GMT -5
cause the old covenant could only bring you to Christ, then a new covenant takes you on from there... Well it failed to do that in my case. The OT/old covenant is what made me question everything about belief in God and I found I couldn't ever worship a God like is portrayed in the OT. That God was/is a monster imo. A God's creation should not be able to be more morally evolved then their God and that's exactly what happened as humanity grew and evolved. The OT God needed to be ditched and a kinder gentler version needed to take it's place or they were going to lose their members/believers.
Not when it insists that you MUST accept Jesus or you will go to a pit of fire to be burn for eternity. |
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Post by Grant on Jul 26, 2017 17:32:19 GMT -5
Life is about choices. We choose our destination. It's not forced on us. If you rob a bank you can end up in jail. Is that a choice or not?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 26, 2017 21:39:08 GMT -5
Life is about choices. We choose our destination. It's not forced on us. If you rob a bank you can end up in jail. Is that a choice or not?
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Post by rational on Jul 27, 2017 11:46:34 GMT -5
There is the reason the old covenant was finally abandoned? Old Testament/ Old Law ....fwiw It was abandoned when humanity evolved morally and passed the God of the OT in their new ideas of what was moral and not. That is the biggest proof that the bible was written over time by men who changed their thinking over the centuries about what was moral and what wasn't. But if God is the same in the past, today and the future then how would the God of the OT be different now? Why would the old covenant be abandoned if God's word never changes? Makes no sense. The missing part is the explanation of the meaning of "...till all be fulfilled." Sounds like it means until the end of time. When all is complete. So gather up those stones... |
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2017 12:16:42 GMT -5
Well it failed to do that in my case. The OT/old covenant is what made me question everything about belief in God and I found I couldn't ever worship a God like is portrayed in the OT. That God was/is a monster imo. A God's creation should not be able to be more morally evolved then their God and that's exactly what happened as humanity grew and evolved. The OT God needed to be ditched and a kinder gentler version needed to take it's place or they were going to lose their members/believers.
Not when it insists that you MUST accept Jesus or you will go to a pit of fire to be burn for eternity. True, I guess that's just another form of genocide that the OT God excelled in. He's just being a little more subtle? I love you but....... and if you don't.... burn..... |
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Post by snow on Jul 27, 2017 12:23:17 GMT -5
Life is about choices. We choose our destination. It's not forced on us. If you rob a bank you can end up in jail. Is that a choice or not? Sure life is about choices. But robbing a bank and going to jail are things we have proof of being possible. Telling us we have to believe in an entity that no one has ever seen or knows for sure exists is a very different thing. Why would anyone choose to worship the God of the bible even if it existed? Would you believe in elves if they told you they would burn you forever if you don't believe in them? If not, why not? Because you don't feel they exist? Good reason! Now you understand why it's not a choice when it comes to believing in your God either. You don't believe elves exist so you don't feel like there is any choice to be made. Same as I feel about your God. No choice needs to be made about things that don't exist. |
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Post by Proof on Jul 28, 2017 7:18:38 GMT -5
If you make the claim, where is your proof?? I have just as much proof as you do. However, there is no need for prove that something 'doesn't' exist. Proof is required to prove something does exist. Hmmm, where is the " proof" that intermediary species exist?? 😉 Hmmmm |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 11:33:30 GMT -5
Jesse Morrell talks pretty straight to college students. He can be graphic. He loves to tell about the time when he was a street fighting, gangster rapper, drug dealer. He went to jail for assaulting someone with a bottle. Then he became a fan of Leonard Ravenhill after listening to a prison minister. Now he spends lots of time visiting campuses, bars etc.. He can really get up into the college students face. Just You Tube search "Jesse Morrell street preacher".
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Post by snow on Jul 28, 2017 11:59:10 GMT -5
I have just as much proof as you do. However, there is no need for prove that something 'doesn't' exist. Proof is required to prove something does exist. Hmmm, where is the " proof" that intermediary species exist?? 😉 Hmmmm I didn't say there was proof that intermediary species exist. I said I had as much proof as you do, meaning none. |
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Post by rational on Jul 31, 2017 14:54:42 GMT -5
I have just as much proof as you do. However, there is no need for prove that something 'doesn't' exist. Proof is required to prove something does exist. Hmmm, where is the " proof" that intermediary species exist?? 😉 Hmmmm You could start here to learn about transitional forma while waiting to enroll in a introductory course in biology that will allow you to get up to date on the latest advancements. |
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Post by Proof on Jul 31, 2017 18:37:34 GMT -5
Hmmm, where is the " proof" that intermediary species exist?? 😉 Hmmmm You could start here to learn about transitional forma while waiting to enroll in a introductory course in biology that will allow you to get up to date on the latest advancements. Hmmm, sounds like some more miracles to me !! 😉🙂✌️ |
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Post by Proof on Jul 31, 2017 18:44:12 GMT -5
There is a transcendent to DNA , that expresses a purpose for DNA,
There could be a benefit if evolutionists would discover this wonder!!
And actually understand living and life!! ✌️😉
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Post by Proof on Jul 31, 2017 18:46:35 GMT -5
Can you explain how many descendants ( if any)
your example can guess ??
If not , can we conclude this fossil might be sterilized??!!!😉
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2017 0:14:45 GMT -5
Hmmm, then you hav e faith that what you believe is true??? 😉 ✌️
Faith
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confidence or trust in a person or thing:
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belief that is not based on proof:
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belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion:
Atheism
atheism: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
When you understand the definition of those terms, -you can see that a person who is an atheist doesn't need "faith" to believe something.
Atheist simply means that they don't see any evidence for the existence of ANY god or gods!
Therefore we need NO proof!
The onus, -burden of proof, -is on the person who believes there is a god or gods!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 1, 2017 0:36:59 GMT -5
You could start here to learn about transitional forma while waiting to enroll in a introductory course in biology that will allow you to get up to date on the latest advancements. Hmmm, sounds like some more miracles to me !! 😉🙂✌️
You need definitions of words if you want to use them correctly!
Miracle: an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural ...
There was nothing "supernatural" about the transitional intermediate forms that were posted.
You still need that "introductory course in biology."  |
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Post by Proof on Aug 1, 2017 4:39:55 GMT -5
" Evolution is a fraud"
A video authored by a geneticist, that pits genetics against
Common descent.
Our genetics prove we did not "evolve" from "primates".
Kinda like saying there is a huge " missing Chain(not link), and
And eventually genetics will win the "war" !! 👍
I'll see if we can get the link to video next .....
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Post by Proof on Aug 1, 2017 4:43:29 GMT -5
" Evolution is a fraud" A video authored by a geneticist, that pits genetics against Common descent. Our genetics prove we did not "evolve" from "primates". Kinda like saying there is a huge " missing Chain(not link), and And eventually genetics will win the "war" !! 👍 I'll see if we can get the link to video next ..... The video is 32 minutes, but the best part is in the final 7 minutes!!😉 |
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Post by snow on Aug 1, 2017 12:48:39 GMT -5
" Evolution is a fraud" A video authored by a geneticist, that pits genetics against Common descent. Our genetics prove we did not "evolve" from "primates". Kinda like saying there is a huge " missing Chain(not link), and And eventually genetics will win the "war" !! 👍 I'll see if we can get the link to video next ..... You're right, we do not evolve from primates. We do share a common ancestor though. I can always tell where people are getting their so called 'facts' when they point out we do not evolve from primates. They don't even know that science doesn't say that. They just listen to a bunch of creationists spouting rubbish and repeat it verbatim. |
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Post by rational on Aug 1, 2017 14:16:03 GMT -5
" Evolution is a fraud" A video authored by a geneticist, that pits genetics against Common descent. Our genetics prove we did not "evolve" from "primates". Kinda like saying there is a huge " missing Chain(not link), and And eventually genetics will win the "war" !! 👍 I'll see if we can get the link to video next ..... You're right, we do not evolve from primates. We do share a common ancestor though. I can always tell where people are getting their so called 'facts' when they point out we do not evolve from primates. They don't even know that science doesn't say that. They just listen to a bunch of creationists spouting rubbish and repeat it verbatim. This has been an ongoing problem. The poster quotes incorrect information from sites like www.icr.org, www.answersingenesis.org, www.discovery.org/csc/, etc. and believe that they represent the actual science behind the current theory of evolution. But you have to give credit to the line 'Our genetics prove we did not "evolve" from "primates"'. It is a true statement but no one except creationists think it somehow speaks against evolution. |
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Post by snow on Aug 1, 2017 14:18:33 GMT -5
You're right, we do not evolve from primates. We do share a common ancestor though. I can always tell where people are getting their so called 'facts' when they point out we do not evolve from primates. They don't even know that science doesn't say that. They just listen to a bunch of creationists spouting rubbish and repeat it verbatim. This has been an ongoing problem. The poster quotes incorrect information from sites like www.icr.org, www.answersingenesis.org, www.discovery.org/csc/, etc. and believe that they represent the actual science behind the current theory of evolution. But you have to give credit to the line 'Our genetics prove we did not "evolve" from "primates"'. It is a true statement but no one except creationists think it somehow speaks against evolution. It's rather like believing that the universe couldn't come from nothing but in the next sentence claim that God comes from nothing. |
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Post by Proof on Aug 1, 2017 22:37:26 GMT -5
youtu.be/g4PaBaJP8u0the video is quite interesting, especially the last 7 minutes "Evolution is a Fraud" There is going to be a conflict between geneticists and " evolutionists" and the geneticists will prevail, because they use science to find out how things really work, not some 19 century research that went astray. ✌️😉
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Post by Proof on Aug 1, 2017 22:44:29 GMT -5
This has been an ongoing problem. The poster quotes incorrect information from sites like www.icr.org, www.answersingenesis.org, www.discovery.org/csc/, etc. and believe that they represent the actual science behind the current theory of evolution. But you have to give credit to the line 'Our genetics prove we did not "evolve" from "primates"'. It is a true statement but no one except creationists think it somehow speaks against evolution. It's rather like believing that the universe couldn't come from nothing but in the next sentence claim that God comes from nothing. [ It seems your belief is that the universe sprang into existence from "nothing", and for no reason ... This is quite different than believing that Our supreme Creator , lived Eternally . But if you wish to adapt a valid reason , for believing that your View may be correct, it may be that your universe has a mind of its own, and doesn't tell such information??👍 |
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Post by Proof on Aug 1, 2017 22:50:00 GMT -5
Would you think it fraudulent to preach that the universe created life? ?
If so, how long was the seed of life present, before it took a move toward consciousness? ? Was consciousness present before the universe created your world??😉
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Post by Proof on Aug 1, 2017 22:52:16 GMT -5
Then consciousness must have came from outside the
matrrial universe that we are studying??? Hmmm✌️😉
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Post by rational on Aug 2, 2017 8:52:28 GMT -5
" Evolution is a fraud" A video authored by a geneticist, that pits genetics against Common descent. Our genetics prove we did not "evolve" from "primates". Kinda like saying there is a huge " missing Chain(not link), and And eventually genetics will win the "war" !! 👍 I'll see if we can get the link to video next ..... The video is 32 minutes, but the best part is in the final 7 minutes!!😉 The whole presentation is unreferenced and is based on pseudoscience which many viewers feel contains too much complicated technical information for them to understand so they just accept the BS without putting in the effort to determine if there is any validity to the information. |
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Post by snow on Aug 2, 2017 20:05:27 GMT -5
It's rather like believing that the universe couldn't come from nothing but in the next sentence claim that God comes from nothing. [ It seems your belief is that the universe sprang into existence from "nothing", and for no reason ... This is quite different than believing that Our supreme Creator , lived Eternally . But if you wish to adapt a valid reason , for believing that your View may be correct, it may be that your universe has a mind of its own, and doesn't tell such information??👍 How is it different? |
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