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Post by Howard help us on Jul 23, 2006 8:50:22 GMT -5
In my experience I have never heard this fairy story preached that our fellowship has existed in its current form since the bible days. I have (by contrast) discussed with numerous workers the beginnings in the late 1800s and Irvine, Weir, Walker, Cooney et al. If thats the "truth about the truth", then its no startling revelation, in fact its old hat. A shame that some think otherwise, or worse, have been told differently. Howard, It would be most helpful if you would post the names of the numerous Workers with whom you have discussed the beginnings in the 1800s. Also, if you would, include the "field" in which they currently labor. The Workers in my "field" have not be made aware of what is "old hat" to you. And yes, it is a shame! They are still preaching the "fairy story" hereabouts. If you could supply the requested information, it would facilitate in the elucidation of those Workers who remain in the dark and continue to perpetuate the "fairy story". Let's not simply say "Its a shame", when we could be doing something meaningful to put an end to the Myth.
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Post by howard on Jul 23, 2006 9:05:25 GMT -5
Certainly Give me your phone number and I'll call and tell you. Don't forget the country code, as its clear we are in different countries. (I'm not in USA) Don't forget your name, so I'll know who to ask for.
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Post by Bert on Jul 23, 2006 9:33:21 GMT -5
To jxr - I understand there is this theory called "Pauline Christianity" which holds that Paul seized the moment to stamp his own interpretation and personality on the gospels. I don't accept that because I see no contradiction between Jesus and Paul. The bible was sealed in the last verses of Revelations. This book was written at the end of the apostolic age. I do not believe that the apostles were adding anything to Jesus' message that God did not want added. The purpose of the Acts and the letters was to show the nature of Christ's church. You may say that the great theologians did not add to the bible itself, directly. But they removed a lot of the bible, and added a lot, through the works of their additional writings, which became so authoritive as to overturn scripture.
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Post by Very funny on Jul 23, 2006 10:57:28 GMT -5
Don't forget your name, so I'll know who to ask for. Spoken by an individual who has at least half a dozen names him/herself. *Laugh*
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Post by Howard help us on Jul 23, 2006 13:41:04 GMT -5
Certainly Give me your phone number and I'll call and tell you. Don't forget the country code, as its clear we are in different countries. (I'm not in USA) Don't forget your name, so I'll know who to ask for. Let's cut out the middle men. You would be doing the fellowship a great service if you would have the Head Worker in your country contact the Head Worker in the United States regarding this matter. This "fairy tale" (in the US) could be put to bed once and for all. Your Head Worker will have no problem contacting our Head Worker. Names, addresses, etc.. need not be exchanged. Your help in this matter will be invaluable to your brothers and sisters in the fellowship who live in North America. There has been, and continues to be, much confusion and contention over the issue of the beginnings of our sect. The Friends should be told the same history, no matter what continent they happen to live on. And they need to hear it from a source they trust! The Friends in North America tend to be very suspicious of "outsiders". This truth about the Truth needs to come from the Workers. You can help, Howard. We're counting on you to do your part. Writting on this message board is not enough. All of the Friends have a right to the information that is "old hat" to you.
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Post by sm on Jul 23, 2006 13:56:05 GMT -5
Certainly Give me your phone number and I'll call and tell you. Don't forget the country code, as its clear we are in different countries. (I'm not in USA) Don't forget your name, so I'll know who to ask for. Let's cut out the middle men. You would be doing the fellowship a great service if you would have the Head Worker in your country contact the Head Worker in the United States regarding this matter. This "fairy tale" (in the US) could be put to bed once and for all. Your Head Worker will have no problem contacting our Head Worker. Names, addresses, etc.. need not be exchanged. Your help in this matter will be invaluable to your brothers and sisters in the fellowship who live in North America. There has been, and continues to be, much confusion and contention over the issue of the beginnings of our sect. The Friends should be told the same history, no matter what continent they happen to live on. And they need to hear it from a source they trust! The Friends in North America tend to be very suspicious of "outsiders". This truth about the Truth needs to come from the Workers. You can help, Howard. We're counting on you to do your part. Writting on this message board is not enough. All of the Friends have a right to the information that is "old hat" to you. Oh Please Please have them tape record that converstation too ;D I can assure you there are many inside, and outside of the two by two's who would be very interested in hearing such a conversation
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Post by ilylo on Jul 23, 2006 14:05:45 GMT -5
dear mister or missus excuses - you asked this How do you explain the illegitimate son? Did Jesus do that from the beginning too? i am not sure what your question refers to but i do know that Jesus himself was considered and called illegitimate. love prue The question refers to Archibald Irvine, illegitimate son of William Irvine (founder of the F&W 2x2 church to which you adhere), who was born in 1886.
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Post by a believer on Jul 23, 2006 17:03:03 GMT -5
hi to huh from prue - when Jesus talked about the traditions of men he meant things not commanded by God - you will have to explain to me what parts of our service or ministry was not given by the bible - kind regards Did God command that women wear their hair up? Did God command that people not have a tv? Did God command the rules that those in meetings have? Or are they man made tradition? Did God command that we take no name? Did God command that only those who follow the workers church will be saved? Did God command that salvation is found only in workers that started in 1897? I find little in your group that practices the commands of God. Jesus commanded that the apostles take purse, take scip, etc in Luke 22. but the workers still try and stick to the ministry that Jesus clearly said was while he was on earth and not after he left them. Yes, people like Prue who promote the way of the workers instead of Jesus makes me so glad that i do not go to meetings. There is little in the workers group that is is like the New Testament church, but plenty of the ways of the Pharisees.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2006 19:02:08 GMT -5
To a-believer. Here you are claiming we don't follow the scripture, and then you are excusing why we shouldn't follow the scripture.
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Post by Lords words on Jul 24, 2006 6:12:58 GMT -5
Lu 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2006 6:44:49 GMT -5
To a-believer. Here you are claiming we don't follow the scripture, and then you are excusing why we shouldn't follow the scripture. The major dishonesty in 2x2 doctrine is that much of what they claim is not scriptural at all --- but at the same time as they strain at the gnat in many of these 'dictionary bender' points -- they completely ignore most of the weightiest of obvious and scriptural aspects of Christian teaching such as respect for our fellow man and the efforts of each before God -- love for ALL mankind (not just professing folks) and the importance of ordinary kindness to the folks we meet along the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2006 6:53:27 GMT -5
Edgar - love of God teaches you to respect all people - you may disagree with their point of view, but you respect them more as fellow human beings. You should understand them better. If you have met some of my own who can't respect others then such people have something yet to learn.
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Post by quest on Jul 24, 2006 21:02:49 GMT -5
To a-believer. Here you are claiming we don't follow the scripture, and then you are excusing why we shouldn't follow the scripture. Good point!
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Post by Simple on Jul 24, 2006 21:15:34 GMT -5
Edgar - love of God teaches you to respect all people - you may disagree with their point of view, but you respect them more as fellow human beings. You should understand them better. If you have met some of my own who can't respect others then such people have something yet to learn. If I respect you, but lie to you, what good is that to you? Ah, it makes you feel better about yourself, so so caught up in your self esteem. You can't have the Truth and SELF-ESTEEM, pick one or the other. The Pharisee's choose themselves and remained blind to God. They killed Jesus. Have you found the person in yourself that would kill Jesus? Cause he told the Truth, and only God's children can handle that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2006 1:29:43 GMT -5
To Simple - you wrote "You can't have the Truth and SELF-ESTEEM" Yes, you can, and Truth gives you self esteem. Jesus had Truth and self esteem. He was a lowly man of sorrows and aquainted with grief, but that didn't mean he had low esteem. How is it that I have lied to you?
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Post by Esteeming Oneself on Jul 25, 2006 17:52:36 GMT -5
[quote author=Simple board=general thread=1153171777 post=1153793734 You can't have the Truth and SELF-ESTEEM, pick one or the other. [/quote]
Phil 2:3 - [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
This verse from the KJV indicates there is evidence of self-esteem. It indicates self-love rather then self-hate. Jesus never taught that we were to hate ourselves.
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