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Post by ellie on Jan 15, 2017 0:21:59 GMT -5
I always cringed when seeing infants slapped - sometimes repeatedly - and also wondered what lessons being imparted by the parents and it said more about the parents and their quick anger and lack of patience and inability to transmit ways to communicate and resolve than it did about the little one. I presume the parents slapping, smacking and spanking their children intend to be a role models for their children. Perhaps these parents sincerely believe that hitting other people is a good way to solve problems and a method of getting people to do what you want???
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 15, 2017 0:26:00 GMT -5
Obviously you are waging a sort of vendetta against the 2x2s, it seems like they can do nothing right as far as you are concerned. So yours might be a very biased and prejudiced view point. But just because SHE said it doesn't make any of it wrong. Telling the truth is NOT being biased. I've noticed that when some professing person makes similar statements, it's not referred to as waging a vendetta -- only when someone outside the group says such things. No one seems to have denied anything of what she's said -- and I suspect you know it's all true anyway. Bob, - you are right.
Simpleton is right on his information on spanking.
However, that is the kind problem that arises when someone like Simpleton has already lost all credibility by saying all the stuff he said about The 2x2 Business Model .
He is right about spanking and the harm that it causes but his credibility is down the drain
That kind of person is their own worst enemy.
Now that he has something to say which is legitimate, -no one wants to believe him!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 15, 2017 1:25:42 GMT -5
I think you mean destroy their self esteem. No child portrays a prideful attitude if they've not been taught to display one. Can you use the same method to destroy an adult's pride? ummm i think if you try to spank an adult you'll find yourself in hot water... since children look to their parents to to see if their proud of them i would disgaree i don't remember what age that starts at but its way before the age of 13.... Two things: You think that being able to get off with it justifies it -- you can slap kids, but you can't get off with it with adults. That's being a "bully". You've obviously never lived with kids who've been raised without spankings. Children are only as prideful as their parents lead them to imitate. Maybe you mistake pride for rebelliousness, in which case the physical punishments will fertilize the rebelliousness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 5:00:26 GMT -5
Obviously you are waging a sort of vendetta against the 2x2s, it seems like they can do nothing right as far as you are concerned. So yours might be a very biased and prejudiced view point. But just because SHE said it doesn't make any of it wrong. Telling the truth is NOT being biased. I've noticed that when some professing person makes similar statements, it's not referred to as waging a vendetta -- only when someone outside the group says such things. No one seems to have denied anything of what she's said -- and I suspect you know it's all true anyway. Bob you are entitled to express your opinions and I am entitled to expressed mine OK. Sometimes we all see the world differently based on our observations and experiences through life. Sometimes that makes us prejudiced, you included, because you yourself are not perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 13:15:24 GMT -5
ummm i think if you try to spank an adult you'll find yourself in hot water... since children look to their parents to to see if their proud of them i would disgaree i don't remember what age that starts at but its way before the age of 13.... Two things: You think that being able to get off with it justifies it -- you can slap kids, but you can't get off with it with adults. That's being a "bully". You've obviously never lived with kids who've been raised without spankings. Children are only as prideful as their parents lead them to imitate. Maybe you mistake pride for rebelliousness, in which case the physical punishments will fertilize the rebelliousness. when i was much younger and babysat kids the ones who allowed spankings had respectful polite chidren the ones who did not spank their children had brats for kids....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 15, 2017 13:46:49 GMT -5
Two things: You think that being able to get off with it justifies it -- you can slap kids, but you can't get off with it with adults. That's being a "bully". You've obviously never lived with kids who've been raised without spankings. Children are only as prideful as their parents lead them to imitate. Maybe you mistake pride for rebelliousness, in which case the physical punishments will fertilize the rebelliousness. when i was much younger and babysat kids the ones who allowed spankings had respectful polite chidren the ones who did not spank their children had brats for kids.... Wally, What you don't understand was the ones who were respectful & polite was NOT BECAUSE they were spanked but rather because they were fearful.
Fear of your own parents, where you should be able to feel safe, -does not produce the tools and skills needed in an adult to live a happy & productive life.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 15, 2017 18:24:01 GMT -5
Two things: You think that being able to get off with it justifies it -- you can slap kids, but you can't get off with it with adults. That's being a "bully". You've obviously never lived with kids who've been raised without spankings. Children are only as prideful as their parents lead them to imitate. Maybe you mistake pride for rebelliousness, in which case the physical punishments will fertilize the rebelliousness. when i was much younger and babysat kids the ones who allowed spankings had respectful polite chidren the ones who did not spank their children had brats for kids.... Same here. But the brats I babysat grew up to be good honest moral adults -- not snooty self-righteous ready to shoot anyone who annoys them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 15, 2017 18:25:57 GMT -5
But just because SHE said it doesn't make any of it wrong. Telling the truth is NOT being biased. I've noticed that when some professing person makes similar statements, it's not referred to as waging a vendetta -- only when someone outside the group says such things. No one seems to have denied anything of what she's said -- and I suspect you know it's all true anyway. Bob you are entitled to express your opinions and I am entitled to expressed mine OK. Sometimes we all see the world differently based on our observations and experiences through life. Sometimes that makes us prejudiced, you included, because you yourself are not perfect. I said that about you because I KNOW exactly how it is -- been there and done that myself. Argue with that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 18:28:28 GMT -5
when i was much younger and babysat kids the ones who allowed spankings had respectful polite chidren the ones who did not spank their children had brats for kids.... Wally, What you don't understand was the ones who were respectful & polite was NOT BECAUSE they were spanked but rather because they were fearful.
Fear of your own parents, where you should be able to feel safe, -does not produce the tools and skills needed in an adult to live a happy & productive life.
you should fear your parents anger a little, yes love should be the bulk of your feeling towards your parents...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 15, 2017 19:47:07 GMT -5
Wally, What you don't understand was the ones who were respectful & polite was NOT BECAUSE they were spanked but rather because they were fearful.
Fear of your own parents, where you should be able to feel safe, -does not produce the tools and skills needed in an adult to live a happy & productive life.
you should fear your parents anger a little, yes love should be the bulk of your feeling towards your parents... Ah, Wally. You've missed out on something very precious, that makes life more enjoyable.
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