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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 18:17:22 GMT -5
Absolutely, Chauvin killed a defenseless man, just like the Capital policeman killed a defenseless woman.
Babbitt could easily have had a weapon - how was the policeman to know whether she was armed or not? Would you be happier if the police had shot the people who were using weapons to break the windows and doors? A peaceful protest doesn't break doors and windows and injure 140 police officers. If handcuffs and pepper spray are so good at stopping violent attacks, why are police issued with guns? Overall the police did well to limit the loss of life while keeping lawmakers safe. so by your reckoning everyone should be shot that might have a weapon? if they tried to use those weapons against the officers, sure.... tell that to the left and the 10's of thousands of "mostly peaceful" rioters from all of 2020...
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2021 18:47:26 GMT -5
If she wasn't demonstrating in the first place and being in a place where she wasn't allowed and disobeying a servant of the law she would still be alive. I wonder if you were standing before a raging mob charging at you and you were a duly elected official of the law to guard would you welcome them there in to do as they did? It has nothing to do with any Christianity conscience. Your Christian duty[ conscience] is to obey the law of the land. she didn't disobey anyone no one said anything in the video that could be construed that she did... we are to obey God first, mankind second at best... Did God tell Babbitt to join the violent attack on the Capitol?
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2021 18:51:35 GMT -5
Babbitt could easily have had a weapon - how was the policeman to know whether she was armed or not? Would you be happier if the police had shot the people who were using weapons to break the windows and doors? A peaceful protest doesn't break doors and windows and injure 140 police officers. If handcuffs and pepper spray are so good at stopping violent attacks, why are police issued with guns? Overall the police did well to limit the loss of life while keeping lawmakers safe. so by your reckoning everyone should be shot that might have a weapon? if they tried to use those weapons against the officers, sure.... tell that to the left and the 10's of thousands of "mostly peaceful" rioters from all of 2020... Nope. If police couldn't get handcuffs on the insurrectionists, and they simply pushed past the police, what do you think they would have done to the Lawmakers?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 22, 2021 18:55:21 GMT -5
If she wasn't demonstrating in the first place and being in a place where she wasn't allowed and disobeying a servant of the law she would still be alive. I wonder if you were standing before a raging mob charging at you and you were a duly elected official of the law to guard would you welcome them there in to do as they did? It has nothing to do with any Christianity conscience. Your Christian duty[ conscience] is to obey the law of the land. she didn't disobey anyone no one said anything in the video that could be construed that she did... we are to obey God first, mankind second at best... Obeying imaginary orders from imaginary beings causes problems.
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Post by Dan on Apr 22, 2021 20:32:48 GMT -5
Absolutely, Chauvin killed a defenseless man, just like the Capital policeman killed a defenseless woman.
Babbitt could easily have had a weapon - how was the policeman to know whether she was armed or not? Would you be happier if the police had shot the people who were using weapons to break the windows and doors? A peaceful protest doesn't break doors and windows and injure 140 police officers. If handcuffs and pepper spray are so good at stopping violent attacks, why are police issued with guns? Overall the police did well to limit the loss of life while keeping lawmakers safe.
A police officer isn't allowed to kill someone who they imagine 'could' have had a weapon. If you don't see it, you don't shoot. They are bound by the same rules as any of us, which is that your not allowed to use deadly force unless your own life is in imminent danger.
Pepper spray, batons, and stun guns are used to stop and cuff a disorderly person, side arms are issued to stop an armed life threatening assailant.
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Post by speak on Apr 22, 2021 20:37:06 GMT -5
If she wasn't demonstrating in the first place and being in a place where she wasn't allowed and disobeying a servant of the law she would still be alive. I wonder if you were standing before a raging mob charging at you and you were a duly elected official of the law to guard would you welcome them there in to do as they did? It has nothing to do with any Christianity conscience. Your Christian duty[ conscience] is to obey the law of the land. she didn't disobey anyone no one said anything in the video that could be construed that she did... we are to obey God first, mankind second at best... That is true but we are still to obey the laws of the land. Was she allowed in that building?
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Post by Dan on Apr 22, 2021 20:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2021 21:22:05 GMT -5
Ashli Babbitt died doing something she was passionate about, but I'm not sure what she was trying to achieve.
Apart from being a cheerleader for hundreds of insurrectionists who wanted to hang Pence, Palosi, and the others who followed the constitution rather than the deranged president.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:22:10 GMT -5
she didn't disobey anyone no one said anything in the video that could be construed that she did... we are to obey God first, mankind second at best... Did God tell Babbitt to join the violent attack on the Capitol? did God tell our american forefathers to revolt?
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2021 21:23:04 GMT -5
Google it... Officer who killed Capitol rioter Ashli Babbitt won't be charged ...https://www.cnbc.com › 2021/04/14 › officer-who-kille... 14/04/2021 — Babbitt was shot in the left shoulder and fell backward onto the floor. She was transported to Washington Hospital Center, where she died. No charges in death of Ashli Babbit, woman shot at the Capitol ...http://www.wusa9.com › news › national › capitol-riots 14/04/2021 — The officer who shot Ashli Babbitt during the Capitol riot will not be ... after being shot in the shoulder while attempting to breach an interior door ... Ashli Babbitt, an Air Force veteran and California native, fatally ...https://www.washingtonpost.com › nation › 2021/01/07 7/01/2021 — Ashli Babbitt, 35, was shot and killed in the Capitol Wednesday. ... tipped back and fell onto the marble floor as blood spilled from her shoulder. Officer Cleared In The Shooting Death Of Ashli Babbitt During ...https://www.npr.org › 2021/04/14 › officer-cleared-in-the... 14/04/2021 — Babbitt was shot as she climbed through a broken door into the Speaker's Lobby. The bullet struck Babbitt in the left shoulder, and she later ... Capitol police officer cleared in Ashli Babbitt riot shootinghttps://www.usatoday.com › news › politics › 2021/04/14 14/04/2021 — Ashli Babbitt, 35, was shot attempting to climb through a barricaded ... who has not yet been publicly identified, shot her in the left shoulder.in the chest... www.thesun.co.uk/news/13691105/ashli-babbitt-shot-the-capitol-executed-trump-death/ <<<right leaning, high fact reporting nypost.com/2021/01/27/ashli-babbitt-new-details-reveal-chaotic-moments-before-shooting/ <<<center right, mixed fact reporting the picture clearly shows it was mid-way between her heart and shoulder... www.ibtimes.sg/disturbing-video-shows-moment-trump-supporter-ashli-babbit-was-shot-dead-by-cops-capitol-54714 <<< center left, mixed fact reporting www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9120779/PICTURED-Trump-supporter-Air-Force-vet-shot-killed-storming-Capitol.html <<extreme right, low fact reporting www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pictured-trump-supporting-air-force-vet-killed-by-cops-at-capitol/ar-BB1cxyra <<<center left, high fact reporting google better... abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-drops-probe-officer-shot-capitol-rioter-ashli/story?id=77073313"As members of the mob continued to strike the glass doors, Ms. Babbitt attempted to climb through one of the doors where glass was broken out," the release said. "An officer inside the Speaker’s Lobby fired one round from his service pistol, striking Ms. Babbitt in the left shoulder, causing her to fall back from the doorway and onto the floor."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:24:27 GMT -5
so by your reckoning everyone should be shot that might have a weapon? if they tried to use those weapons against the officers, sure.... tell that to the left and the 10's of thousands of "mostly peaceful" rioters from all of 2020... Nope. If police couldn't get handcuffs on the insurrectionists, and they simply pushed past the police, what do you think they would have done to the Lawmakers? we'll never know...they were long gone by the time the rioters reached the chambers...
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2021 21:28:58 GMT -5
Did God tell Babbitt to join the violent attack on the Capitol? did God tell our american forefathers to revolt? Our New Zealand, Australian and Canadian forefathers didn't revolt yet we are more free than Americans are. Certainly we are much freer from civil strife and the danger of being shot.
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2021 21:30:48 GMT -5
Nope. If police couldn't get handcuffs on the insurrectionists, and they simply pushed past the police, what do you think they would have done to the Lawmakers? we'll never know...they were long gone by the time the rioters reached the chambers... Shooting Babbitt sobered up the insurrectionists and slowed them down long enough for security to get the Lawmakers out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:38:01 GMT -5
the picture speaks a thousand words...in the chest area.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:40:54 GMT -5
did God tell our american forefathers to revolt? Our New Zealand, Australian and Canadian forefathers didn't revolt yet we are more free than Americans are. Certainly we are much freer from civil strife and the danger of being shot. if i understand correctly according to redback those of you in the commonwealth as still under the thumb of the crown...no you are not... that is the difference between sheeple and free men...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 21:42:09 GMT -5
we'll never know...they were long gone by the time the rioters reached the chambers... Shooting Babbitt sobered up the insurrectionists and slowed them down long enough for security to get the Lawmakers out. as we can see from the video they lawmakers were gone by the time the shootng happened....
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2021 22:15:20 GMT -5
Shooting Babbitt sobered up the insurrectionists and slowed them down long enough for security to get the Lawmakers out. as we can see from the video they lawmakers were gone by the time the shootng happened.... The murderous rabble had to be stopped somewhere. At the beginning of the video Lawmakers were still standing in the lobby.
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Post by speak on Apr 22, 2021 22:21:56 GMT -5
Our New Zealand, Australian and Canadian forefathers didn't revolt yet we are more free than Americans are. Certainly we are much freer from civil strife and the danger of being shot. if i understand correctly according to redback those of you in the commonwealth as still under the thumb of the crown...no you are not... that is the difference between sheeple and free men... Your understanding is incorrect.
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Post by Dan on Apr 22, 2021 23:21:33 GMT -5
the picture speaks a thousand words...in the chest area.
I read somewhere that the bullet entered her left anterior shoulder and existed her neck, severing her carotid artery which caused her to bleed to death.
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2021 23:38:18 GMT -5
The strange thing about all this is why Trump has escaped prison for fomenting an insurrection and failing to defend the constitution.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 0:09:43 GMT -5
the picture speaks a thousand words...in the chest area.
I read somewhere that the bullet entered her left anterior shoulder and existed her neck, severing her carotid artery which caused her to bleed to death.
in the picture they are compressing the area mid-way between the heart and the shoulder just above her left breast...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 0:23:35 GMT -5
The strange thing about all this is why Trump has escaped prison for fomenting an insurrection and failing to defend the constitution. trump didn't foment anything for the riot. he said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 0:38:57 GMT -5
if i understand correctly according to redback those of you in the commonwealth as still under the thumb of the crown...no you are not... that is the difference between sheeple and free men... Your understanding is incorrect. you are still under the same monarch britian has yes? you have no independence day or fixed date for it. anything you might have came by legislation at best. “To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.” -P. McCree Thornton or an earlier version “For those who fight for it life has a flavor the sheltered will never know”-Theodore Roosevelt
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Post by fixit on Apr 23, 2021 0:50:10 GMT -5
Some people love freedom so much they spend their whole lives fighting other people who love freedom so much.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 23, 2021 1:46:24 GMT -5
Your understanding is incorrect. you are still under the same monarch britian has yes? you have no independence day or fixed date for it. anything you might have came by legislation at best. “To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.” -P. McCree Thornton or an earlier version “For those who fight for it life has a flavor the sheltered will never know”-Theodore Roosevelt The monarch is head of state in name only. That applies to all the commonwealth countries. Also, I am picking that when the current Queen dies that several countries will ditch the monarchy but stay within the alliance of the Commonwealth.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2021 16:42:12 GMT -5
Did God tell Babbitt to join the violent attack on the Capitol? did God tell our american forefathers to revolt? No. It was one of Nathan's dark angels.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2021 16:45:21 GMT -5
you are still under the same monarch britian has yes? you have no independence day or fixed date for it. anything you might have came by legislation at best. “To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.” -P. McCree Thornton or an earlier version “For those who fight for it life has a flavor the sheltered will never know”-Theodore Roosevelt The monarch is head of state in name only. That applies to all the commonwealth countries. Also, I am picking that when the current Queen dies that several countries will ditch the monarchy but stay within the alliance of the Commonwealth. Some of the commonwealth countries even have kings of their own.
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Post by fixit on Apr 23, 2021 16:54:45 GMT -5
The strange thing about all this is why Trump has escaped prison for fomenting an insurrection and failing to defend the constitution. trump didn't foment anything for the riot. he said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." You think Trump was too stupid to notice his people had weapons? The patriotic thing would have been to accept the constitutional process. And a patriotic president would have told his thugs to go home when he knew they had broken into the building. A patriotic president would have called in the national guard to support his beleaguered Capitol police (140 of whom were injured). Instead, Trump and his family were watching the show with glee. Bone spurred Trump would call Ashli Babbitt a loser.
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