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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 20:32:10 GMT -5
What is the NAME of your group?
Where is your headquarters?
Can people in other churches have salvation?
Could people be saved before the first workers left the British Isles in the early 1900s?
Is it wrong to worship in a church building with a steeple.
Why is your group so low profile and secretive?
How can your ministers claim to be the only successors to the New Testament apostolic ministry?
Who started this thing?
How come you don't advertise more?
Can people tape your gospel meeting sermons?
Is there a dress code among your ladies?
Does your ministry perform charity missions or other outreach?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 4:54:24 GMT -5
I posed this graphic to our Resident Hypocrite
continually for three years now.
Like the other hundred or so questions, she couldn't
answer it.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 16:42:05 GMT -5
Bert, you are putting the workers in the same class as our Savior?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 16:43:11 GMT -5
Is there a dress code among your ladies?
Yes. Dress modestly.
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You should see the facebook photos of professing ladies in my area! Thongs on a beach!
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Post by whyisitso on May 3, 2016 2:49:50 GMT -5
Is there a dress code among your ladies? Yes. Dress modestly. ** You should see the facebook photos of professing ladies in my area! Thongs on a beach! Nothing wrong with thongs on a beach, especially if the sand is hot  |
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Post by rational on May 3, 2016 7:56:00 GMT -5
Well, when a professing person goes to the beach they should wear modest swimsuits... You don't know who is watching... I say, dress modestly all things in life. Does it matter? Are the modest suits just a show for whomever might be watching? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 8:16:36 GMT -5
Is there a dress code among your ladies? Yes. Dress modestly. ** You should see the facebook photos of professing ladies in my area! Thongs on a beach! Nothing wrong with thongs on a beach, especially if the sand is hot Thong must be a uncomfortable thing! A modest person would behave so as to avoid encouraging the sexual attention of others.Dressing modestly doesn't mean you should look as if you just arrived from the Victorian ages and it doesn't mean you should look alike as Christian women. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 8:26:09 GMT -5
String bikinis are worn by many of the professing ladies on the facebook groups.
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Post by ellie on May 3, 2016 8:46:33 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with thongs on a beach, especially if the sand is hot Yes, I thought the same. Maybe he's talking about different thongs....  Funnily enough quite a few years ago there were a couple of American professing gals that came to Sydney town and at the beach they trotted out in their bikinis! We were pleasantly surprised....and it was all quite modest  I suspect now that there are plenty of young professing gals who wear bikinis at the beach..... Of course! It’s a rarity to see young professing women wear anything more when swimming. But to be fair between 3 and 10 years ago fashion dictated that it was pretty much impossible to get anything other than a bikini or a racing one piece in small sizes. I suppose that anyone really wanting to cover up could wear a rashie or something though. |
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Post by dmmichgood on May 3, 2016 9:20:34 GMT -5
I posed this graphic to our Resident Hypocrite
continually for three years now.
Like the other hundred or so questions, she couldn't
answer it. I posed this graphic to our Resident Hypocrite
continually for three years now.
Like the other hundred or so questions, she couldn't
answer it.
Which one have you designated as "Resident Hypocrite?"
PS:
BTW,
Don't try for a career in "graphics."
Keep your day job.
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Post by rational on May 3, 2016 10:17:00 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with thongs on a beach, especially if the sand is hot :D Thong must be a uncomfortable thing! A modest person would behave so as to avoid encouraging the sexual attention of others.Dressing modestly doesn't mean you should look as if you just arrived from the Victorian ages and it doesn't mean you should look alike as Christian women. People are not responsible for the reactions/attentions of others. |
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Post by breakfree on May 3, 2016 10:37:45 GMT -5
I agree,rational.
People go to the beach to swim and possibly get a suntan....the less you wear is better....
would anyone get into a spa with a long dress and a bun on your head? Lol
But back to the topic,
the questions that people ask....
if one is so sure about what they believe etc,...there would be no problem answering questions...the problem is trying to justify things that just aren't true!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 10:43:24 GMT -5
Thong must be a uncomfortable thing! A modest person would behave so as to avoid encouraging the sexual attention of others.Dressing modestly doesn't mean you should look as if you just arrived from the Victorian ages and it doesn't mean you should look alike as Christian women. People are not responsible for the reactions/attentions of others. If you are a Christian you are. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 10:47:59 GMT -5
Thong must be a uncomfortable thing! A modest person would behave so as to avoid encouraging the sexual attention of others.Dressing modestly doesn't mean you should look as if you just arrived from the Victorian ages and it doesn't mean you should look alike as Christian women. People are not responsible for the reactions/attentions of others. according to these two verses they might be...
Rom_14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
1Co_8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
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Post by rational on May 3, 2016 11:12:16 GMT -5
People are not responsible for the reactions/attentions of others. If you are a Christian you are. No. This is going down the path where people believe a woman gets raped because of the clothes she wears. Or that a child is abused because it was too friendly to an adult abuser. Of course, this also raises the question of whether it is wrong to be sexually attractive to others. It keeps the species from going extinct. Given the likes and dislikes of people you would be hard pressed to wear something that would not be sexually attractive to someone. |
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Post by rational on May 3, 2016 11:23:57 GMT -5
People are not responsible for the reactions/attentions of others. according to these two verses they might be...
Rom_14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
1Co_8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
We are each responsible for our own thoughts, feelings, and actions. How others deal with it is their responsibility. As soon as you say "S/he makes me feel guilty" you have pointed the finger of blame and denied taking responsibility for your own feelings. You have given up the power to make a change to prevent those feelings of guilt. As soon as a woman says/believes that she was abused because of what she was wearing she accepts the blame for the act. This is not a healthy way to live. |
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Post by breakfree on May 3, 2016 11:30:35 GMT -5
There is such a thing as choice...
what is in our mind and where we go with it is another thing...
Do you really think the beach goers are concerned about what people are thinking about their outfits? are they really thinking this May be a problem for some pervert?
there are some nude beaches ,btw..
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 3, 2016 12:21:33 GMT -5
Is there a dress code among your ladies? Yes. Dress modestly. ** You should see the facebook photos of professing ladies in my area! Thongs on a beach!
Well, when a professing person goes to the beach they should wear modest swimsuits... You don't know who is watching... I say, dress modestly all things in life.Nathan, what the world considers "modest" is not modest by God's standards. We should not dress by the world's standards immodesty, nor by the world's standards of "modesty", but true modesty as becomes a child of God. We should not be on the beach at all if we cannot maintain a consistent testimony of godliness there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 14:07:19 GMT -5
the world=those not professing
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Post by rational on May 3, 2016 15:42:22 GMT -5
Nathan, what the world considers "modest" is not modest by God's standards. We should not dress by the world's standards immodesty, nor by the world's standards of "modesty", but true modesty as becomes a child of God. We should not be on the beach at all if we cannot maintain a consistent testimony of godliness there. What is modest by god's standards? God was pleased with David's dancing exhibition even though his wife thought exposing himself to one and all was a bit much it was a bit much. Is there a "God's Modesty List" in the bible? |
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Post by whyisitso on May 3, 2016 16:19:18 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with thongs on a beach, especially if the sand is hot Thong must be a uncomfortable thing! A modest person would behave so as to avoid encouraging the sexual attention of others.Dressing modestly doesn't mean you should look as if you just arrived from the Victorian ages and it doesn't mean you should look alike as Christian women. Erm, Boksburg, that was said tongue in cheek. In Australia a 'thong' is footwear. Flip flops, jandals... Not sure what else they're know by in other corners of the globe. For myself I'm more of a one piece, board shorts and rashie girl (basically that makes it look like I'm at the beach with shorts and t-shirt) This is my choice as I've grown to understand how hot and dangerous the sun is and the damage it will do to our skin here in Queensland. But, if someone wants to wear a bikini to the beach good luck to them. Usually if I see someone with not much on my first thought is 'melanoma'! Not, oh they look hot, let me lust after them! |
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 3, 2016 18:02:37 GMT -5
Nathan, your use of the term "outdated" implies a desire to keep up with the world's standards of fashion. Why would those matter to a Christian? Are we concerned that the world might not accept us if we reveal too little of our bodies? I'm afraid Christians who seek to appease their consciences with "modest" swimsuits are starting from the world's standards and then "improving" on them just enough that, they hope, the world will not see them as different. God is the same yesterday, today, forever. Godly standards are never "outdated". Faithful Christians are different. |
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Post by ellie on May 3, 2016 19:44:53 GMT -5
I agree,rational. People go to the beach to swim and possibly get a suntan....the less you wear is better.... Not really - I like my swimwear to actually stay on in the ocean  |
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Post by fred on May 3, 2016 19:46:19 GMT -5
Nathan, your use of the term "outdated" implies a desire to keep up with the world's standards of fashion. Why would those matter to a Christian? Are we concerned that the world might not accept us if we reveal too little of our bodies? I'm afraid Christians who seek to appease their consciences with "modest" swimsuits are starting from the world's standards and then "improving" on them just enough that, they hope, the world will not see them as different. God is the same yesterday, today, forever. Godly standards are never "outdated". Faithful Christians are different. Christians are 'different' to non-believers, but some seem to work at proving this by changing their appearance - really, mostly it seems like part acting. IMO, a true Christian does not need to work at proving anything, the work of the Holy Spirit changes our desires and motivation and this will be evident without flaunting anything in anybody else's face. It changes our whole being and outlook and this may not have a lot to do with appearance, certainly nothing to do with a 'uniform'. The only time I read of Jesus commenting on anybodies appearance was to berate those who dressed and acted to appear righteous. The modesty/appearance issue is just so subjective, in many cases it is merely in the eyes of the beholder. Have a look at various cultures around the globe and this becomes evident. |
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Post by emy on May 3, 2016 20:30:20 GMT -5
... A modest person would behave so as to avoid encouraging the sexual attention of others.Dressing modestly doesn't mean you should look as if you just arrived from the Victorian ages and it doesn't mean you should look alike as Christian women. People are not responsible for the reactions/attentions of others. So... leaving the realm of dress or other immodesty, does this principle hold true in all questions of morality? For instance, if a man purposely leaves his wallet on a bench and comes back to find it stolen, is the victim absolved of any blame in the theft? (Thanks to Walter Williams for this concept.) |
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Post by whyisitso on May 3, 2016 20:54:54 GMT -5
Nathan, your use of the term "outdated" implies a desire to keep up with the world's standards of fashion. Why would those matter to a Christian? Are we concerned that the world might not accept us if we reveal too little of our bodies? I'm afraid Christians who seek to appease their consciences with "modest" swimsuits are starting from the world's standards and then "improving" on them just enough that, they hope, the world will not see them as different. God is the same yesterday, today, forever. Godly standards are never "outdated". Faithful Christians are different. Well I'd say the Muslims (or nigella laws on) have got it right then. Full covering at the beach. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542094/The-truth-THAT-Burkini-Nigella-said-picked-bizarre-head-toe-swimsuit-Saatchi-liked-women-pale.html |
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Post by calleduntoliberty on May 3, 2016 21:29:15 GMT -5
Christians are 'different' to non-believers, but some seem to work at proving this by changing their appearance - really, mostly it seems like part acting. IMO, a true Christian does not need to work at proving anything, the work of the Holy Spirit changes our desires and motivation and this will be evident without flaunting anything in anybody else's face. It changes our whole being and outlook and this may not have a lot to do with appearance, certainly nothing to do with a 'uniform'. The only time I read of Jesus commenting on anybodies appearance was to berate those who dressed and acted to appear righteous. The modesty/appearance issue is just so subjective, in many cases it is merely in the eyes of the beholder. Have a look at various cultures around the globe and this becomes evident. True faith works itself out in the life of the believer and produces fruits, which are outward, observable products of our faith. If the Holy Spirit changes our desires and motivations, why would we desire any longer to dress like those who have no love of God? What would our motivation for that be and where would it come from? Do you believe the Holy Spirit would motivate Christians to disregard modesty and dress or undress to be accepted by the world? Followers of Christ do not cling to the things of the world. Jesus said that his disciples would hate the world. That's the transformation of our desires that you wrote about. If we are transformed by the working of the Holy Spirit, why would that not manifest itself in our lives in visible ways? What did Jesus say about those who are ashamed of him around other people? |
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Post by rational on May 3, 2016 21:43:37 GMT -5
I agree,rational. People go to the beach to swim and possibly get a suntan....the less you wear is better.... Not really - I like my swimwear to actually stay on in the ocean ;) If you swim wearing what you were born with there is no danger of it falling off! It is probable that people, including Jesus, were baptized nude for centuries. It appears that Jesus had no problem with nudity. In John Jesus got up from eating, took off his clothes, and began washing feet. This raises the question regarding most of christanity's adversion to nudity. Not sure there is biblical support. Just more man-made rules! |
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