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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 28, 2016 0:19:27 GMT -5
If a "God" made us in HIS own image, why did HE give us a human body that is supposed to be so "sinful" that we have to live miserable lives just trying to find our way back to HIM?
Why did HE kill HIS own son to supposedly "redeem" us from our "sins?"
What was HIS reason to make us feel still more miserable by making we feel guilty for causing all that pain & suffering to HIS son?
It is like a horror film and mankind has perpetuated that horror on themselves.
Why did mankind do that to themselves?
Probably because they keep trying to understand why the world is so chaotic and so many terrible things happen.
They want answers & when they are unable to find an answer quickly, it is always easier to put the supernatural or paranormal reason into the breach than to try plow through to a more accurate answer.
Examples of such are numerous:
Why we suddenly developed a high temperature and sores all over our bodies & died is only one.
Through out our history we were able to understand & even correct some things (some diseases ) but it was not accomplished by worshiping or praying to whichever the current GOD happened to be; -it was only accomplished by the plowing through to a more accurate answer by way of science.
As we did so & still do so, - those GODS that mankind had thrown into that breach just evaporated .
Yet,-in spite of this, -there are still so many people who continue to make themselves miserable, as well as those around them, by believing in such a being called a "GOD." 
"I've never felt so much peace as I do since I've given my heart to God."
"We are sinful in nature..."
"I believe that God is love..."
"I just hope that you get to know him."
If we are truly "sinful in nature," -why did an all knowing, all powerful, all LOVING "god" create mankind to be "sinful in nature?"
According to the bible, that "all knowing, all powerful, that all LOVING 'god' " also created Satan.
Why would a LOVING "god" create someone like Satan who would always be bedeviling mankind?
I'm sorry that you hope that I get "to know him."
I don't ever want to "get to know" such a devious entity.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 28, 2016 3:58:29 GMT -5
quotes form your post, Maryhig.
"I've never felt so much peace as I do since I've given my heart to God."
"We are sinful in nature..."
"I believe that God is love..."
"I just hope that you get to know him."
If we are truly "sinful in nature," -why did an all knowing, all powerful, all LOVING "god" create mankind to be "sinful in nature?"
According to the bible, that "all knowing, all powerful, that all LOVING 'god' " also created Satan.
Why would a LOVING "god" create someone like Satan who would always be bedeviling mankind?
I'm sorry that you hope that I get "to know him."
I don't ever want to "get to know" such a devious entity.
We're in sinful flesh, and I believe we've done something to be put here. (We'll find out why were here one day) I also believe that Satan is stumblingblock, and he will do anything to keep us from God he's a deceiver, a liar and a murderer. God didn't create Satan evil, he created an angel of light, Satan turned away from God by wanting to be greater than him, he became evil. That's why it's so wrong to put ourselves before God, because we are following Satan in doing this, listening to the lies he's spun. We must put God first in our lives. And I'm sorry you feel as you do about God. But one thing's for sure, you'll find out he exists once you step out of this body. I know he's there, I don't even have the slightest doubt within me. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 28, 2016 5:51:49 GMT -5
quotes form your post, Maryhig.
"I've never felt so much peace as I do since I've given my heart to God."
"We are sinful in nature..."
"I believe that God is love..."
"I just hope that you get to know him."
If we are truly "sinful in nature," -why did an all knowing, all powerful, all LOVING "god" create mankind to be "sinful in nature?"
According to the bible, that "all knowing, all powerful, that all LOVING 'god' " also created Satan.
Why would a LOVING "god" create someone like Satan who would always be bedeviling mankind?
I'm sorry that you hope that I get "to know him."
I don't ever want to "get to know" such a devious entity.
We're in sinful flesh, and I believe we've done something to be put here. (We'll find out why were here one day) I also believe that Satan is stumblingblock, and he will do anything to keep us from God he's a deceiver, a liar and a murderer. God didn't create Satan evil, he created an angel of light, Satan turned away from God by wanting to be greater than him, he became evil. That's why it's so wrong to put ourselves before God, because we are following Satan in doing this, listening to the lies he's spun. We must put God first in our lives. And I'm sorry you feel as you do about God. But one thing's for sure, you'll find out he exists once you step out of this body. I know he's there, I don't even have the slightest doubt within me.
This is a book that I have spoke about in the past, The Religion Virus: Why we believe in God, by Craig A. James
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Post by rational on Feb 28, 2016 10:05:25 GMT -5
Firstly, the last thing I am is miserable. Even though I go through suffering at times in my life, God helps me through, and I've never felt so much peace as I do since I've given my heart to God. When the world starts losing its hold on you, the burdens are lifted and you feel free! I am not miserable either, And I don't know what the phrase "When the world starts losing its hold on you..." even means. Something to do with gravity and people no longer being pulled toward the earth's center of mass? Well, somebody did something! Probably mom and dad!And here I thought that theists believed their omnipotent omniscient paranormal being was in control of the universe.You failed to mention the acts of god that are the real mass killers. I wonder why you feel people live to please themselves? I made breakfast for my grandchildren. Certainly was not to please myself!You keep saying this but I don't remember any verifiable proof being offered. I could say that I know the TreeMan is real and I've had proof in my life that the TreeMan is more powerful than any other god. The claim is the same. I have stopped wearing my spruce blazer and have hung up my pine belt! But I certainly would expect you to want to have some questions answered before you fall in line and stop using forest products. [/quote] |
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Post by maryhig on Feb 29, 2016 5:52:49 GMT -5
Firstly, the last thing I am is miserable. Even though I go through suffering at times in my life, God helps me through, and I've never felt so much peace as I do since I've given my heart to God. When the world starts losing its hold on you, the burdens are lifted and you feel free! I am not miserable either, And I don't know what the phrase "When the world starts losing its hold on you..." even means. Something to do with gravity and people no longer being pulled toward the earth's center of mass? Well, somebody did something! Probably mom and dad!And here I thought that theists believed their omnipotent omniscient paranormal being was in control of the universe.You failed to mention the acts of god that are the real mass killers. I wonder why you feel people live to please themselves? I made breakfast for my grandchildren. Certainly was not to please myself!You keep saying this but I don't remember any verifiable proof being offered. I could say that I know the TreeMan is real and I've had proof in my life that the TreeMan is more powerful than any other god. The claim is the same. I have stopped wearing my spruce blazer and have hung up my pine belt! But I certainly would expect you to want to have some questions answered before you fall in line and stop using forest products. [/quote] Glad your not miserable rational! I was explaining to DMG that my beliefs don't make me miserable as she seems to think that many people are made miserable and make others miserable because they believe in God. I've never felt so much peace in my life :-) By the world losing its hold on me , I mean the things of this world have no hold on me anymore. I'm not interested in building up in life, I'm not interested in things like wealth, or socialising and worrying what I look like and keeping up with the socialites, bigger houses or better cars and i don't worry what others think of me, I'm more concerned about pleasing God and getting my heart right. Lots of things I thought were important before, mean nothing to me. My heart has changed and God comes first. He's helped me put away lots of things that were wrong within me including hardness and selfishness. Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always! Many many people put themselves first before others. They don't think of anyone but themselves and their own. This isn't the way of God. Jesus said love your neighbour as yourself, we are to care and look after those we meet who are in need. Saying that, there are many who don't know God and put people who say they believe in God to shame. Because many people who profess to know the living God, put themselves first and show little care for others yet by outward appearances people think they're lovely, whilst there are others who don't know God who show very much love and care for others. Only God knows our hearts! As I've said before, I can't prove good exists to you, the only proof besides God himself showing you is creation. That in itself shows that there is a greater mind behind everything. But I myself have had proof. He's showed me he's there, and I have no doubt whatsoever. Hopefully one day, you'll know him too! |
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Post by maryhig on Feb 29, 2016 6:01:02 GMT -5
We're in sinful flesh, and I believe we've done something to be put here. (We'll find out why were here one day) I also believe that Satan is stumblingblock, and he will do anything to keep us from God he's a deceiver, a liar and a murderer. God didn't create Satan evil, he created an angel of light, Satan turned away from God by wanting to be greater than him, he became evil. That's why it's so wrong to put ourselves before God, because we are following Satan in doing this, listening to the lies he's spun. We must put God first in our lives. And I'm sorry you feel as you do about God. But one thing's for sure, you'll find out he exists once you step out of this body. I know he's there, I don't even have the slightest doubt within me.
This is a book that I have spoke about in the past, The Religion Virus: Why we believe in God, by Craig A. James
He didn't create a mess, we did, we are wrecking the world we live in. We have freewill we can choose between right and wrong God didn't create robots! I've got no intention of reading anything that goes against God. I know he's there, I don't need to read anything by anyone who denies his existence! |
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 29, 2016 16:49:54 GMT -5
I know "god" wasn't suppose to have created Satan as "evil" nor was he suppose to have created mankind as so imperfect either; -however, if "god" was that "all knowing & all powerful," entity that He is believed to have been as his followers claim, -why wasn't HE powerful enough to not have created such a mess? (and then blame it all on us?)
This is a book that I have spoke about in the past, The Religion Virus: Why we believe in God, by Craig A. James
He didn't create a mess, we did, we are wrecking the world we live in. We have freewill we can choose between right and wrong God didn't create robots! I've got no intention of reading anything that goes against God. I know he's there, I don't need to read anything by anyone who denies his existence! And look how we're wrecking the universe. There are solar systems disappearing, flying space objects out of orbit, explosions coming off the sun. And those pictures they now found of the far away galaxies totally out of control. It'll come back to get us yet. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 29, 2016 19:33:01 GMT -5
Feb 29, 2016 4:52:49 GMT -6 maryhig said:
Glad your not miserable rational! I was explaining to DMG that my beliefs don't make me miserable as she seems to think that many people are made miserable and make others miserable because they believe in God. I've never felt so much peace in my life :-)
By the world losing its hold on me , I mean the things of this world have no hold on me anymore. I'm not interested in building up in life, I'm not interested in things like wealth, or socialising and worrying what I look like and keeping up with the socialites, bigger houses or better cars and i don't worry what others think of me,
I'm more concerned about pleasing God and getting my heart right. Lots of things I thought were important before, mean nothing to me. My heart has changed and God comes first. He's helped me put away lots of things that were wrong within me including hardness and selfishness. Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always!
Many many people put themselves first before others. They don't think of anyone but themselves and their own. This isn't the way of God. Jesus said love your neighbour as yourself, we are to care and look after those we meet who are in need. Saying that, there are many who don't know God and put people who say they believe in God to shame. Because many people who profess to know the living God, put themselves first and show little care for others yet by outward appearances people think they're lovely, whilst there are others who don't know God who show very much love and care for others. Only God knows our hearts![/quote]
Maryhig, these two quotes of your are at odds with one another :
" she seems to think that many people are made miserable and make others miserable because they believe in God. I've never felt so much peace in my life"
"Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always!"
That constant pulling of oneself between perfectly normal, natural feelings that are NOT "sins," and which constantly makes one feel that they "always go wrong," can NOT possible make a person content & at "peace!" (nor those around them either)
I agree that it certainly is better to not be interested in accumulating a lot wealth, or worrying what one looks like or wanting bigger houses or better cars, etc.
It is also true that people should consider others as well as themselves.
However, some people by being so strict with themselves in trying to do what THEY think is right; and are so concerned with their own position of wanting to "please God" they ARE actually putting their own concerns and themselves before others!
That is what I mean that they can also make others who are close to them "miserable!"
I know that I am beginning to sound like a counselor but I speak only from what I have learned the hard way from my own experiences.
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Post by joanna on Feb 29, 2016 20:17:21 GMT -5
maryhig "He didn't create a mess, we did,..." If you believe that one of the Hebrew gods : Yahweh or the god of the christian bible, is the creator then he did 'create the mess'. If you claim he is the prime mover; the originator of all life forms and supernatural beings, including satan, then the god you believe in is responsible for all that is both good and evil on planet Earth. And the injustices and suffering and evil are too great to ignore unless we bury our head under the auspices of religiosity; mind-numbing medications, alcohol or similar. It is would make more sense (but still does not enough to register on the barometer of rationality) if believers of ghosts and demons were to suggest that satan is/was the creator.
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Post by rational on Feb 29, 2016 22:29:05 GMT -5
By the world losing its hold on me , I mean the things of this world have no hold on me anymore. I'm not interested in building up in life, I'm not interested in things like wealth, or socialising and worrying what I look like and keeping up with the socialites, bigger houses or better cars and i don't worry what others think of me, I'm more concerned about pleasing God and getting my heart right. Lots of things I thought were important before, mean nothing to me. My heart has changed and God comes first. He's helped me put away lots of things that were wrong within me including hardness and selfishness. Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always! I am guessing you have shelter and food and your other needs are covered. If you did not have shelter and food I am guessing the "things of the world" would suddenly become much more important to you. But the only thing is that there is nothing about the creation that requires the existence of a god. I suspect it is nothing more than seeing connections in a specific experience and assigning to it an abnormal meaningfulness. Gamblers suffer from this as they attempt to find patterns in the randomness of games in an attempt to justify their behavior. |
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Post by Yes on Mar 1, 2016 5:25:30 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/686495/thread But the only thing is that there is nothing about the creation that requires the existence of a god. I suspect .............s. We know there is something about creation that requires a Creator .  |
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Post by maryhig on Mar 1, 2016 6:08:06 GMT -5
Feb 29, 2016 4:52:49 GMT -6 maryhig said:Glad your not miserable rational! I was explaining to DMG that my beliefs don't make me miserable as she seems to think that many people are made miserable and make others miserable because they believe in God. I've never felt so much peace in my life :-)By the world losing its hold on me , I mean the things of this world have no hold on me anymore. I'm not interested in building up in life, I'm not interested in things like wealth, or socialising and worrying what I look like and keeping up with the socialites, bigger houses or better cars and i don't worry what others think of me, I'm more concerned about pleasing God and getting my heart right. Lots of things I thought were important before, mean nothing to me. My heart has changed and God comes first. He's helped me put away lots of things that were wrong within me including hardness and selfishness. Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always! Many many people put themselves first before others. They don't think of anyone but themselves and their own. This isn't the way of God. Jesus said love your neighbour as yourself, we are to care and look after those we meet who are in need. Saying that, there are many who don't know God and put people who say they believe in God to shame. Because many people who profess to know the living God, put themselves first and show little care for others yet by outward appearances people think they're lovely, whilst there are others who don't know God who show very much love and care for others. Only God knows our hearts!
" she seems to think that many people are made miserable and make others miserable because they believe in God. I've never felt so much peace in my life"
"Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always!"
That constant pulling of oneself between perfectly normal, natural feelings that are NOT "sins," and which constantly makes one feel that they "always go wrong," can NOT possible make a person content & at "peace!" (nor those around them either)
I agree that it certainly is better to not be interested in accumulating a lot wealth, or worrying what one looks like or wanting bigger houses or better cars, etc.
It is also true that people should consider others as well as themselves.
However, some people by being so strict with themselves in trying to do what THEY think is right; and are so concerned with their own position of wanting to "please God" they ARE actually putting their own concerns and themselves before others!
That is what I mean that they can also make others who are close to them "miserable!"
I know that I am beginning to sound like a counselor but I speak only from what I have learned the hard way from my own experiences.
[/quote] Thanks but really, I don't need counselling! And the people around me aren't miserable either. Just because I want to please God doesn't make me miserable. It makes me a better person, thus making me happier and more content. I'm also more caring to those around me making them happier too! Why would you think that worshipping God, makes his people miserable? I'm a really bubbly person. I'm not miserable at all! |
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Post by maryhig on Mar 1, 2016 6:15:23 GMT -5
By the world losing its hold on me , I mean the things of this world have no hold on me anymore. I'm not interested in building up in life, I'm not interested in things like wealth, or socialising and worrying what I look like and keeping up with the socialites, bigger houses or better cars and i don't worry what others think of me, I'm more concerned about pleasing God and getting my heart right. Lots of things I thought were important before, mean nothing to me. My heart has changed and God comes first. He's helped me put away lots of things that were wrong within me including hardness and selfishness. Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always! I am guessing you have shelter and food and your other needs are covered. If you did not have shelter and food I am guessing the "things of the world" would suddenly become much more important to you. But the only thing is that there is nothing about the creation that requires the existence of a god. I suspect it is nothing more than seeing connections in a specific experience and assigning to it an abnormal meaningfulness. Gamblers suffer from this as they attempt to find patterns in the randomness of games in an attempt to justify their behavior. If I didn't have food or shelter, then food and shelter is what I'd be looking for and asking God for even just a room. Not the things of the world. I go to God for my needs, not my wants. Everything requires the existence of God, as I keep saying we can't have just appeared from nothing, everything in this world points to God being there. It amazes me, that people can't see that creation needed more that a big bang from nothing to exist! |
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Post by rational on Mar 1, 2016 8:29:23 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/686495/thread But the only thing is that there is nothing about the creation that requires the existence of a god. I suspect .............s. We know there is something about creation that requires a Creator . :) No, we don't. It can be demonstrated and independently verified that creation does not require a creator - creation of big things or the creation of little things. Well, I guess you could rename quantum mechanical fluctuations as god if you felt the need. |
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Post by rational on Mar 1, 2016 9:23:28 GMT -5
If I didn't have food or shelter, then food and shelter is what I'd be looking for and asking God for even just a room. Not the things of the world. I go to God for my needs, not my wants. I think you would be hard pressed to show that a room is not of the world. You are not rejecting all things of the world but you have in your mind a sliding scale determining what you need and what you want. And as I keep saying and pointing out the data that supports the claim that it can be demonstrated that things do not need a creator. It has been demonstrated a number of times. Independently. It amazes me that when there is data supporting a claim that people continue to reject the data because it doesn't match with their beliefs, beliefs that have no verifiable data to support them. What you are claiming is like you saying that if you have a glass of water that is filled to the top that you cannot add more matter to the glass without having it overflow even though you can easily demonstrate this is false by adding sugar and observing that it actually lowers the water level in the glass. There are many things that people believe that have been shown to be false. |
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Post by Gues4 on Mar 1, 2016 9:51:24 GMT -5
We know there is something about creation that requires a Creator . No, we don't. It can be demonstrated and independently verified that creation does not require a creator - creation of big things or the creation of little things. Well, I guess you could rename quantum mechanical fluctuations as god if you felt the need. And like you say, where and when did Quantum mechanical fluctuations come into existence? Do you think this phenomenon was created by the same Creator that was generous to give us the universe too.? |
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Post by rational on Mar 1, 2016 10:00:46 GMT -5
No, we don't. It can be demonstrated and independently verified that creation does not require a creator - creation of big things or the creation of little things. Well, I guess you could rename quantum mechanical fluctuations as god if you felt the need. And like you say, where and when did Quantum mechanical fluctuations come into existence? They have been happening since the beginning of time in random places. I think this is your belief - without supporting proof. |
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Post by Gues4 on Mar 1, 2016 10:15:20 GMT -5
And like you say, where and when did Quantum mechanical fluctuations come into existence? They have been happening since the beginning of time in random places.[br. [ How can you prove it, when was this observed? You are welcomed to believe it , but is there a basis for believing it always existed ? Or it could be a product of the Creator. |
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Post by rational on Mar 1, 2016 12:36:54 GMT -5
They have been happening since the beginning of time in random places.[br. [ How can you prove it, when was this observed? You will have to do the research yourself. Yep. It is simply the natural laws of physics. Could be. Or a product of the small brown toad in my garden. Equal proof for either speculation. Actually, probably more proof for the toad because it can be demonstrated to actually exist. |
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Post by Gues4 on Mar 1, 2016 13:15:25 GMT -5
God is indescribable, that does not mean He doesn't exist, it is just that we cannot comprehend and I am ok with that. On other hand , your toad, is just a toad unless you believe otherwise. |
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Post by rational on Mar 1, 2016 13:42:55 GMT -5
God is indescribable, that does not mean He doesn't exist, it is just that we cannot comprehend and I am ok with that. And your god is indescribable, nonexistent, and powerless unless you believe differently. But at least it exists. Point for the toad! |
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Post by Gues4 on Mar 1, 2016 13:47:54 GMT -5
God is indescribable, that does not mean He doesn't exist, it is just that we cannot comprehend and I am ok with that. And your god is indescribable, nonexistent, and powerless unless you believe differently. But at least it exists. Point for the toad! Wait, just because something cannot be described , does not prove it doesn't exist. God does exist and is Infinite |
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Post by rational on Mar 1, 2016 13:53:40 GMT -5
And your god is indescribable, nonexistent, and powerless unless you believe differently. But at least it exists. Point for the toad! Wait, just because something cannot be described , does not prove it doesn't exist. God does exist and is Infinite Just because you believe it exists doesn't prove that it does. The toad can be shown to exist. The same cannot be said for your god. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 1, 2016 14:28:42 GMT -5
Feb 29, 2016 4:52:49 GMT -6 maryhig said:Glad your not miserable rational! I was explaining to DMG that my beliefs don't make me miserable as she seems to think that many people are made miserable and make others miserable because they believe in God. I've never felt so much peace in my life :-)By the world losing its hold on me , I mean the things of this world have no hold on me anymore. I'm not interested in building up in life, I'm not interested in things like wealth, or socialising and worrying what I look like and keeping up with the socialites, bigger houses or better cars and i don't worry what others think of me, I'm more concerned about pleasing God and getting my heart right. Lots of things I thought were important before, mean nothing to me. My heart has changed and God comes first. He's helped me put away lots of things that were wrong within me including hardness and selfishness. Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always! Many many people put themselves first before others. They don't think of anyone but themselves and their own. This isn't the way of God. Jesus said love your neighbour as yourself, we are to care and look after those we meet who are in need. Saying that, there are many who don't know God and put people who say they believe in God to shame. Because many people who profess to know the living God, put themselves first and show little care for others yet by outward appearances people think they're lovely, whilst there are others who don't know God who show very much love and care for others. Only God knows our hearts!
" she seems to think that many people are made miserable and make others miserable because they believe in God. I've never felt so much peace in my life"
"Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always!"
That constant pulling of oneself between perfectly normal, natural feelings that are NOT "sins," and which constantly makes one feel that they "always go wrong," can NOT possible make a person content & at "peace!" (nor those around them either)
I agree that it certainly is better to not be interested in accumulating a lot wealth, or worrying what one looks like or wanting bigger houses or better cars, etc.
It is also true that people should consider others as well as themselves.
However, some people by being so strict with themselves in trying to do what THEY think is right; and are so concerned with their own position of wanting to "please God" they ARE actually putting their own concerns and themselves before others!
That is what I mean that they can also make others who are close to them "miserable!"
I know that I am beginning to sound like a counselor but I speak only from what I have learned the hard way from my own experiences.
Thanks but really, I don't need counselling! And the people around me aren't miserable either. Just because I want to please God doesn't make me miserable. It makes me a better person, thus making me happier and more content. I'm also more caring to those around me making them happier too! Why would you think that worshipping God, makes his people miserable? I'm a really bubbly person. I'm not miserable at all! [/quote] I didn't mean that I was attempting to counsel you. I was speaking in general.
As for as your being miserable or not, -I can only go by what your say about yourself "always going wrong."
We all make mistakes, but putting oneself into a straight jacket of trying to meet very strict goals all the time that are often unrealistic, not even necessary and are only in one's own mind to begin with, -can put a terrible strain on one's own life and those around them.
Been there myself & done that.
I also hurt those around me because of that.
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Post by Created to enjoy goodworks on Aug 9, 2018 0:39:25 GMT -5
Maryhig, these two quotes of your are at odds with one another :
" she seems to think that many people are made miserable and make others miserable because they believe in God. I've never felt so much peace in my life"
"Although I still have a long way to go! I go wrong always!"
That constant pulling of oneself between perfectly normal, natural feelings that are NOT "sins," and which constantly makes one feel that they "always go wrong," can NOT possible make a person content & at "peace!" (nor those around them either)
I agree that it certainly is better to not be interested in accumulating a lot wealth, or worrying what one looks like or wanting bigger houses or better cars, etc.
It is also true that people should consider others as well as themselves.
However, some people by being so strict with themselves in trying to do what THEY
think is right; and are so concerned with their own position of wanting to "please God" they ARE actually putting
their own concerns and themselves before others!
That is what I mean that they can also make others who are close to them "miserable!"
I know that I am beginning to sound like a counselor but I speak only from what I have learned the hard
way from my own experiences.
Thanks but really, I don't need counselling! And the people around me aren't miserable either. Just because I want to please God doesn't make me miserable. It makes me a better person, thus making me happier and more content. I'm also more caring to those around me making them happier too! Why would you think that worshipping God, makes his people miserable? I'm a really bubbly person. I'm not miserable at all!
As for as your being miserable or not, -I can only go by what your say about yourself "always going wrong."
We all make mistakes, but putting oneself into a straight jacket of trying to meet very strict goals
all the time that are often unrealistic, not even necessary and are only in one's own mind to begin with, -can put a terrible strain on
one's own life and those around them.
Been there
myself & done that.
I also hurt those around me
because of that.
[/quote][ Can’t we enjoy doing good to others without feeling Miserable in a straight jacket ? 😉 |
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Post by snow on Aug 9, 2018 15:16:39 GMT -5
Thanks but really, I don't need counselling! And the people around me aren't miserable either. Just because I want to please God doesn't make me miserable. It makes me a better person, thus making me happier and more content. I'm also more caring to those around me making them happier too! Why would you think that worshipping God, makes his people miserable? I'm a really bubbly person. I'm not miserable at all!
As for as your being miserable or not, -I can only go by what your say about yourself "always going wrong."
We all make mistakes, but putting oneself into a straight jacket of trying to meet very strict goals
all the time that are often unrealistic, not even necessary and are only in one's own mind to begin with, -can put a terrible strain on
one's own life and those around them.
Been there
myself & done that.
I also hurt those around me
because of that.
[ Can’t we enjoy doing good to others without feeling Miserable in a straight jacket ? 😉[/quote] Sure and we can also enjoy doing good without belief in any gods too! |
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Post by Created toenjoy goodwork on Aug 9, 2018 18:21:21 GMT -5
I didn't mean that I was attempting to counsel you. I was speaking in general.
As for as your being miserable or not, -I can only go by what your say about yourself "always going wrong."
We all make mistakes, but putting oneself into a straight jacket of trying to meet very strict goals
all the time that are often unrealistic, not even necessary and are only in one's own mind to begin with, -can put a terrible strain on
one's own life and those around them.
Been there
myself & done that.
I also hurt those around me
because of that.
[ Can’t we enjoy doing good to others without feeling Miserable in a straight jacket ? 😉 Sure and we can also enjoy doing good without belief in any gods too![/quote] Can something be good and carnal ? Perhaps not. IMO. ❤️ |
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Post by Created toenjoy goodwork on Aug 9, 2018 18:44:19 GMT -5
eternal good will last and last and last, and
that is a good thing, IMO.
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