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Post by friend on May 4, 2018 5:37:03 GMT -5
I was talking about humans being the only animal that feels remorse. I don't agree. There are other animals that certainly appear to feel remorse. Taking their body language into consideration. Not all humans have the ability to feel remorse but they can say they do, even though they don't. One thing I do agree with that you said, being able to feel remorse does help us improve ourselves. Punishment can too, but it's not as effective if people only do things because they think they'll be punished. If they think they can get away with it they will do it. However, if someone feels it's wrong, regardless of laws and punishment, that is a far more effective way of being compassionate and doing what is right, just because it does the least harm. Is there a possible paradigm that this utopia of living could be utilized? A land without the need for punishment! Sounds heavenly! đđ |
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Post by friend on May 4, 2018 7:24:52 GMT -5
Can we imagine we imagine a world without
humans? only animals, no humans
what would it be like after a year? After 2 years?
it seems like it would be quite different.
all domesticated animals would be eliminated:
sheep , cattle, and many others..
dogs and cats would become wild, very wild
then , after about 70 years or so, humans reappear
could humans survive in a world created and
maintained by âwildâ animals ? Most likely we wouldnât ...hmmm
just wondering
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Post by friend on May 4, 2018 7:30:30 GMT -5
Perhaps humans are the Real whimps? Ha
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Post by friend on May 4, 2018 8:38:29 GMT -5
We come from an eternal âconceptâ (biblically sound) Eternal history is a long long time ago , !!!!! Look and understand how things develop , even on a human paradigm, and more so with /creative/alive wording . (?) For instance, the progression of âthoughtsâ to concepts to precepts to ideas to communication to fellowship to sharing to WORDS!!!!!!!! Words are a very special part of our âspirit/soulâ (In some fashion , we use them to define us, them, our lives, who we are?, where we come from??, the world around us, the universe we dwell in...... hmmm, it can begin with a word(s) and develop into a BOOk , and we canât Imagine it, until we experience it, and we canât experience it seperate from imagining.... perhaps? So creation and words are inseparable in some manners, imo!!!! And God said (words)..."let there be light....."(which we also cannot exist without) Exactly!! Thanks |
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Post by snow on May 4, 2018 13:16:16 GMT -5
Can we imagine we imagine a world without humans? only animals, no humans what would it be like after a year? After 2 years? it seems like it would be quite different. all domesticated animals would be eliminated: sheep , cattle, and many others.. dogs and cats would become wild, very wild then , after about 70 years or so, humans reappear could humans survive in a world created and maintained by âwildâ animals ? Most likely we wouldnât ...hmmm just wondering We have survived it before why not again? |
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Post by snow on May 4, 2018 13:17:52 GMT -5
We come from an eternal âconceptâ (biblically sound) Eternal history is a long long time ago , !!!!! Look and understand how things develop , even on a human paradigm, and more so with /creative/alive wording . (?) For instance, the progression of âthoughtsâ to concepts to precepts to ideas to communication to fellowship to sharing to WORDS!!!!!!!! Words are a very special part of our âspirit/soulâ (In some fashion , we use them to define us, them, our lives, who we are?, where we come from??, the world around us, the universe we dwell in...... hmmm, it can begin with a word(s) and develop into a BOOk , and we canât Imagine it, until we experience it, and we canât experience it seperate from imagining.... perhaps? So creation and words are inseparable in some manners, imo!!!! And God said (words)..."let there be light....."(which we also cannot exist without) If this world didn't have light, we would have evolved to be a creature that didn't need light to survive. We are the outcome of our surroundings. |
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Post by snow on May 4, 2018 13:50:24 GMT -5
I was talking about humans being the only animal that feels remorse. I don't agree. There are other animals that certainly appear to feel remorse. Taking their body language into consideration. Not all humans have the ability to feel remorse but they can say they do, even though they don't. One thing I do agree with that you said, being able to feel remorse does help us improve ourselves. Punishment can too, but it's not as effective if people only do things because they think they'll be punished. If they think they can get away with it they will do it. However, if someone feels it's wrong, regardless of laws and punishment, that is a far more effective way of being compassionate and doing what is right, just because it does the least harm. Is there a possible paradigm that this utopia of living could be utilized? A land without the need for punishment! Sounds heavenly! đđ No, there will always be a need to separate some people from the general population to prevent them from harming others. |
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Post by friend on May 4, 2018 14:31:30 GMT -5
Can we imagine we imagine a world without humans? only animals, no humans what would it be like after a year? After 2 years? it seems like it would be quite different. all domesticated animals would be eliminated: sheep , cattle, and many others.. dogs and cats would become wild, very wild then , after about 70 years or so, humans reappear could humans survive in a world created and maintained by âwildâ animals ? Most likely we wouldnât ...hmmm just wondering We have survived it before why not again? Hmmm, ya but you know what usually happens, the âdog eats the history (books) â. And we dont have a clue. đ |
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Post by howitis on May 4, 2018 14:52:44 GMT -5
And God said (words)..."let there be light....."(which we also cannot exist without) If this world didn't have light, we would have evolved to be a creature that didn't need light to survive. We are the outcome of our surroundings. I wonder.....or perhaps we would not have evolved at all |
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Post by rational on May 4, 2018 19:35:25 GMT -5
If this world didn't have light, we would have evolved to be a creature that didn't need light to survive. We are the outcome of our surroundings. I wonder.....or perhaps we would not have evolved at all There are many orgnisms that live in complere darkness. Some exist on energy that is delivered by organisms that have died and, for example, have been swept into caves by running water. Others died and simply sank into the darkness of the ocean. There are other organisms who get the energy to exist from thermal vents found deep ingo the seas. There creatures were not created to live where they exist but they evolved to be able to exist where they live. |
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Post by rational on May 4, 2018 19:38:10 GMT -5
Can we imagine we imagine a world without humans? only animals, no humans what would it be like after a year? After 2 years? it seems like it would be quite different. all domesticated animals would be eliminated: sheep , cattle, and many others.. dogs and cats would become wild, very wild then , after about 70 years or so, humans reappear could humans survive in a world created and maintained by âwildâ animals ? Most likely we wouldnât ...hmmm just wondering We have survived it before why not again? And let's remember that Homo sapiens are animals. |
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Post by friend on May 4, 2018 22:39:53 GMT -5
I wonder.....or perhaps we would not have evolved at all There are many orgnisms that live in complere darkness. Some exist on energy that is delivered by organisms that have died and, for example, have been swept into caves by running water. Others died and simply sank into the darkness of the ocean. There are other organisms who get the energy to exist from thermal vents found deep ingo the seas. There creatures were not created to live where they exist but they evolved to be able to exist where they live. I been leaning towards a created âGoldilocksâ environment. âNo undirected mutations involvedâ Hmmm, like sending people off to the South Pole and Saying, âgood luck, hope you survive until you evolve into the abominable snowman!â No, people would know that is a most outrageous hypothesis, donât we (well, except for the Nazi-darwinists?) Imo |
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Post by friend on May 4, 2018 22:47:34 GMT -5
isnât it preposterous to think that humans would evolve
Once, to think they could survive in a world that wasnât
Created for them seems more preposterous than that!
IMO..,,
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Post by friend on May 4, 2018 22:51:01 GMT -5
Nevertheless, it could be hypothetical to âdesign a human
being that could be able to overcome astronomical
Obstacles in order to survive/thrive. IMO
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Post by intelchips on May 4, 2018 23:30:35 GMT -5
I know I'm coming late to this discussion. However, if you continue to use the Bible as your data to discuss this topic you will forever be lost.
Here's why. This planet or you could say spaceship on which we live tries to kill us hourly. And that it still does with all the advancement we have made in medicine.
If a god did in fact make a human whole cloth and place them on this planet 60,000 years ago how many days do you think they would have lived before some internal or external agent killed them?
Okay so you say that god used his super powers to prevent that from happening. Then why did that very same god stop protecting humans later on from these same agents and new ones as they evolved?
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Post by friend on May 5, 2018 0:03:26 GMT -5
I know I'm coming late to this discussion. However, if you continue to use the Bible as your data to discuss this topic you will forever be lost. Here's why. This planet or you could say spaceship on which we live tries to kill us hourly. And that it still does with all the advancement we have made in medicine. If a god did in fact make a human whole cloth and place them on this planet 60,000 years ago how many days do you think they would have lived before some internal or external agent killed them? Okay so you say that god used his super powers to prevent that from happening. Then why did that very same god stop protecting humans later on from these same agents and new ones as they evolved? DNA determines our ability to survive, we wouldnât last a minute without it, as it codes for our human needs /per our environment, imo |
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Post by intelchips on May 5, 2018 0:21:50 GMT -5
All life carries DNA
Evolution is related to changes in this DNA
Changes happen in the following ways
(i) god's software contains a subroutine to do DNA copying and this software just like Windows errors from time to time
(ii) Changes to DNA are called mutations
(iii) When man first walked up right on the savannas of Africa the sun's radiation caused mutations and still does today if we get to much sun exposure along with industrial causes.
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Post by rational on May 5, 2018 2:14:08 GMT -5
There are many orgnisms that live in complere darkness. Some exist on energy that is delivered by organisms that have died and, for example, have been swept into caves by running water. Others died and simply sank into the darkness of the ocean. There are other organisms who get the energy to exist from thermal vents found deep ingo the seas. There creatures were not created to live where they exist but they evolved to be able to exist where they live. I been leaning towards a created âGoldilocksâ environment. âNo undirected mutations involvedâ Hmmm, like sending people off to the South Pole and Saying, âgood luck, hope you survive until you evolve into the abominable snowman!â No, people would know that is a most outrageous hypothesis, donât we (well, except for the Nazi-darwinists?) Imo Knowledgeable people would understand the time-frame and would be able to provide verifiable data to support their claim while you are stuck with the ideas promoted by Lamarck in the late 1700s. |
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Post by friend on May 5, 2018 11:34:51 GMT -5
I been leaning towards a created âGoldilocksâ environment. âNo undirected mutations involvedâ Hmmm, like sending people off to the South Pole and Saying, âgood luck, hope you survive until you evolve into the abominable snowman!â No, people would know that is a most outrageous hypothesis, donât we (well, except for the Nazi-darwinists?) Imo Knowledgeable people would understand the time-frame and would be able to provide verifiable data to support their claim while you are stuck with the ideas promoted by Lamarck in the late 1700s. and we are free to choose who is ignorant! đ....... |
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Post by friend on May 5, 2018 12:26:31 GMT -5
it is assuredly true that the first âlightâ that was created
was the âenlightenment â light.
Without that basis, absolutely NO-thing could be
understood!
âphysical light âcame a few days later: sun, stars, etc,
IMO
If there is no enlightenment , everything would be as
Solomon proclaimed, âvanity and vexationâ , (which could
Only be perceived by a basis of what is good/God ) (only God can be good)
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Post by dmmichgood on May 5, 2018 14:45:44 GMT -5
Knowledgeable people would understand the time-frame and would be able to provide verifiable data to support their claim while you are stuck with the ideas promoted by Lamarck in the late 1700s. and we are free to choose who is ignorant! đ.......
You certainly are free to "choose who is ignorant," -and I must give you credit ; -you are doing an excellent job of choosing "ignorance! " |
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Post by friend on May 5, 2018 15:47:06 GMT -5
and we are free to choose who is ignorant! đ.......
You certainly are free to "choose who is ignorant,"  -and I must give you credit ; -you are doing an excellent job of choosing "ignorance! " Well.....now? hey, at least i know what is, and what isnât , âignoranceâ , đ |
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Post by friend on May 5, 2018 20:44:49 GMT -5
another problem for âBig Bangâ ?
I will try googling this conundrum and see if there are any
theories about this subject.
The relationship between the earth and the sun. Several
benefits!
Besides giving us the 24 hr cycle, the 365 day cycle,
luminaries of light, degrees of heat/warmth , photosynthesis,
solar flaring, sun spots, sun quakes, radiation, and a host of
related benefits that create our climate and climate cycles,
oceanic turbulence , etc. , etc,
I would believe some of these benefits that are unique
to our sun, would be practically impossible to study if
Far off stars could be as benevolent to any satilite
planet that would happen to be in orbit of.
And the huge benefit of creating a sustaining climate/weather
Cycle would need to be âdesignedâ to function properly,
as oursun is doing.
Thus if stars are found to be unbenevolent relationship
to its planets, life could not and wouldnot be possible,
That is:(Except for spiritual Life, that needs no physical materials)
IMO
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Post by friend on May 6, 2018 12:55:58 GMT -5
Romans 8:28 (what is benevolence?)
All things work together for good, for those that are called
according to His purpose...
What is that purpose ? To be made in His image/like
to have fellowship with for eternity.
IMO..
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Post by snow on May 7, 2018 15:12:21 GMT -5
If this world didn't have light, we would have evolved to be a creature that didn't need light to survive. We are the outcome of our surroundings. I wonder.....or perhaps we would not have evolved at all We wouldn't be what we are we would be what this earth supported. But whatever we turned out to be we would have evolved. It's what organisms do. Nothing remains the same/static. |
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Post by snow on May 7, 2018 15:13:17 GMT -5
We have survived it before why not again? And let's remember that Homo sapiens are animals. Yes absolutely. |
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Post by From Heaven to Earth I came on May 7, 2018 15:44:53 GMT -5
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Post by friend on May 7, 2018 16:58:42 GMT -5
There is no phenogene (observed) if It is excluded
from the inherited DNA.
(mutations are no inheritable, imo).
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