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Post by Evidently on Aug 30, 2019 3:27:41 GMT -5
Oh, and Hebrew was called Ivrit before the Patriarchs founded the land called Israel, Hmmmm Thank you I've read the article. Two comments: (1) It's far more fanciful than informative. (2) It doesn't say very much of what you took from it. ?? All I took from it is that Abram spoke (Hebrew/Ivrit ) and Abram wanted to dwell in a locale that this was spoken there. The rest follows from other reads
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Post by Evidently on Aug 30, 2019 3:39:52 GMT -5
And using Genesis as a primary source, and Knowing it’s script was largely for history references
we find the Hebrew patriarchs naming places and concepts and children (or via name change) with Hebrew words .
It would do little for historical value if these Original names weren’t what they were originally constructed to represent
So therefore I will take Genesis as verification of their tongue.
Thanks.😉
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 30, 2019 12:09:41 GMT -5
I've read the article. Two comments: (1) It's far more fanciful than informative. (2) It doesn't say very much of what you took from it. ?? All I took from it is that Abram spoke (Hebrew/Ivrit ) But logic would tell you that we have no reason at all to believe Abraham spoke Hebrew. (1) There were no Hebrews until after the exodus, long after Abraham had died. (2) We have no reason to believe that Abraham spoke Hebrew. Hebrew was not a language until the Hebrew people developed it after the exodus. (3) People of Ur spoke Akkadian. I doubt that he invented the Hebrew language upon becoming the first person to contract with who is now the Jewish god. Abraham went to Canaan -- where everyone spoke Canaanite. No Canaanites were about to learn whatever language he spoke.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 30, 2019 12:18:52 GMT -5
And using Genesis as a primary source, and Knowing it’s script was largely for history references we find the Hebrew patriarchs naming places and concepts and children (or via name change) with Hebrew words . It would do little for historical value if these Original names weren’t what they were originally constructed to represent So therefore I will take Genesis as verification of their tongue. Thanks.😉 FWIW you're probably reading an English language Bible. This will surprise you: In Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke) the name Jesus and the name Judas are the same word. You only get what translators have the words -- and sometimes they get them wrong, sometimes there isn't an English word for something, and sometimes they just make something up -- like a different name for Judas so he wouldn't be confused with Jesus.
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Post by Evidently on Aug 30, 2019 22:45:57 GMT -5
Hmmmm
Very good research’. well... maybe lacking in depth?
I would give you another chance to correct your err.
Thank you
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 30, 2019 23:31:39 GMT -5
Hmmmm Very good research’. well... maybe lacking in depth? I would give you another chance to correct your err. Thank you Bob Williston's "err(or)?"
Surely, -you joke, Mr. "Evidently!"
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 30, 2019 23:38:50 GMT -5
Hmmmm Very good research’. well... maybe lacking in depth? I would give you another chance to correct your err. Thank you Thanks. But I already have the degree.
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Post by Evidently on Aug 31, 2019 19:08:14 GMT -5
Hmmmm Very good research’. well... maybe lacking in depth? I would give you another chance to correct your err. Thank you Ok There you go, regurgitate what they want you to Believe?? Hoping that’s not the case, yet I haven’t read anything to support the case for Ivrit being the name for Hebrew, before Heber was Credited with saving the tongue from the confusion of languages. Then fast forward to the sign on the cross , “King of Jews” Writ in 3 languages ? Greek, Latin, Hebrew Hmmm Of course did Christ know Hebrew when facing his crucifixion? “El-i, El-i, lama “....”. “ El-i is Hebrew for “my God” lama is Hebrew for “why” Oh. Maybe circumstantial? Yet it’s the whole Old Testament that was likely just finished Written in Hebrew (original) , and as the professied messiah Of this great Hebrew book (in tongue and nationality) He searched and preached with all the sages. Being sId Of Him: “ He speaks as with Authority “ (of the holy book) There is plenty of evidence that Jesus was quite versed In the Hebrew text, even though there is also considered evidence that he knew Aramaic, because it was common tongue Hmmmm. I will find more sourced material , as I know of This is just some musings. Sorry Thank you
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Post by Evidently on Aug 31, 2019 19:16:15 GMT -5
Ha, I need to edit that last post, I’m getting my syntax turned around..
Ivrit is the tongue of the pre Heber tongue, and I will find that Hebraic study/research.
Ha, sorry
Thanks
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Post by Evidently . on Aug 31, 2019 20:53:19 GMT -5
Ha, I need to edit that last post, I’m getting my syntax turned around.. Ivrit is the tongue of the pre Heber tongue, and I will find that Hebraic study/research. Ha, sorry Thanks Also , Jesus conversed with the Roman centurion. likely He also knew Roman/Latin ? JMT
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 31, 2019 21:05:20 GMT -5
Ha, I need to edit that last post, I’m getting my syntax turned around.. Ivrit is the tongue of the pre Heber tongue, and I will find that Hebraic study/research. Ha, sorry Thanks Also , Jesus conversed with the Roman centurion. likely He also knew Roman/Latin ? JMT So … Nathan conversed with God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 31, 2019 21:07:36 GMT -5
Ha, I need to edit that last post, I’m getting my syntax turned around.. Ivrit is the tongue of the pre Heber tongue, and I will find that Hebraic study/research. Ha, sorry Thanks If you're trying to convince me of anything, don't bother with the research. You're not impressing me in the least.
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Post by Evidently on Aug 31, 2019 21:16:49 GMT -5
Not at all !
Of course , with a little education, I may have to feel sorry for you?
I wish you all well, in your academic pursuits, Eventually reality will illuminate us all, thanks!
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 31, 2019 21:19:18 GMT -5
Another know it all on board.
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Post by Evidently on Aug 31, 2019 21:20:49 GMT -5
Some great examples of feeling the touch of God already in the first thread! I know that most people have already settled upon an explanation for their God-experiences. Will believers be of any more help in an objective search than those who have already decided there is nothing beyond materialism? In other words, are any of us capable of taking a step back to describe our religious or spiritual experiences without postulating about their cause, or are our particular set of beliefs so integrated into our experiences that we cannot participate open-mindedly? I doubt anyone seriously imagines their religion is the only one that offers comfort/awe/Spirit-bathing/etc., so I'm talking about the difference between saying "I prayed to Jesus and he heard me and sent an angel to strengthen me" and "I fell to my knees in prayer and immediately a feeling of calmness came over me." So, an open invitation: Any believers who will share experiences in objective terms, or any disbelievers who have God-like mysteries they haven't yet explained? Sorry we transgress our goal of this thread And now we can proceed without Interruptions? ? Wishful thinking 😉
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Post by Evidently on Aug 31, 2019 21:27:22 GMT -5
Another know it all on board. 😶. <——. Not me, I don’t know nothing.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 31, 2019 22:01:35 GMT -5
Another know it all on board. 😶. <——. Not me, I don’t know nothing. I agree.
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Post by Evidently on Aug 31, 2019 22:04:18 GMT -5
😶. <——. Not me, I don’t know nothing. I agree. 👍 thanks bobvegas!!
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Post by Evidently on Sept 3, 2019 9:00:01 GMT -5
The fount of knowledge?
is there a pattern to the universe that is beyond human comprehension?
will humans ever find/discover what makes the universe so tuned to Laws and postulations, and scientists bewildered between haphazardness and definite order and sensibility.
Sad that there is confusion in our worldviews,
isnt it?
hmmm, does disorder also have laws? (Certainly a Paradox?)
thank you
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Post by Evidently editted on Sept 3, 2019 13:32:49 GMT -5
The fount of knowledge? is there a pattern to the universe that is beyond human comprehension? will humans ever find/discover what makes the universe so tuned to Laws and postulations, and scientists bewildered between haphazardness and definite order and sensibility. Sad that there is confusion in our worldviews, isnt it? hmmm, does disorder also have laws? (Certainly a Paradox?) thank you Ok, maybe a Maxim of One paradox? Nevertheless, creation is sensible, logical, and Comprehensive. IMO How can atoms be spoken into existence? If you are human , and you have super good vision/(like an Implanted microscope vision) , you maybe could see the makeup of each atom as it is put into motion/activated . IF the motion is unattended and is discontinued, would not the atom lose the sense of having an existence? ? So then , what causes an atom to be active:/activated ? Well. Possibly as human beings , we need to Postulate this very frame of creation science!? How can something come into existence, when there was previously ‘nothing’ but the First Cause which by postulation, is Self Evident! (evidently.. hmmm) Ok. My brain is worn out, I will rest for awhile.. and see Thank you 😴
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Post by Evidently on Sept 3, 2019 16:03:41 GMT -5
Some background maybe warranted?
First Cause (Creator) speaks from eternity
His words are eternal and true , and even though
a still small voice, they ring eternal, until they are
“quitted “ ( ?). Thus the word goes forth with a quickening
Pppower to create/extent to the concept of that
which is thus borne (into a matter of energy) and it is set into motion to be that which it was meant to be
Hmmm
Thanks 🤫😴
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Post by Evidently on Sept 3, 2019 18:28:44 GMT -5
Hmmmm,
If something exists, it’s either : 1. Eternal 2. Created . Or it is a UFO ! Ha
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Post by By the by on Sept 4, 2019 7:55:52 GMT -5
the concept of UFO is to classify them as “unidentified” , eh?
thus if we know they are really extraterrestrial vehicles, we are claiming we know their identity.?
hmmm
then again maybe they are still “unidentified”
except for fictional purposes? 😉
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Post by By the bye on Sept 8, 2019 23:46:37 GMT -5
oh, and it was nice that Paul correctly located the Hebrew holy mount Sinai where its suppose to be ! In Arabia, aw . Until someone hijacked it over to its mistaken location on the peninsula wrongly named.?
Hmmm, it’s all in the history of the Hebrew people!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 2:27:45 GMT -5
oh, and it was nice that Paul correctly located the Hebrew holy mount Sinai where its suppose to be ! In Arabia, aw . Until someone hijacked it over to its mistaken location on the peninsula wrongly named.? Hmmm, it’s all in the history of the Hebrew people! i don't remember which it is but if sinai is mentioned BEFORE the red sea crossing its the one in the peninsula if its mentioned AFTER the red sea then its the one in suadi arabia....this ASSumes the crossing was at the gulf of aqaba...
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 9, 2019 3:25:59 GMT -5
oh, and it was nice that Paul correctly located the Hebrew holy mount Sinai where its suppose to be ! In Arabia, aw . Until someone hijacked it over to its mistaken location on the peninsula wrongly named.? Hmmm, it’s all in the history of the Hebrew people! i don't remember which it is but if sinai is mentioned BEFORE the red sea crossing its the one in the peninsula if its mentioned AFTER the red sea then its the one in suadi arabia....this ASSumes the crossing was at the gulf of aqaba... I'm sure the Bible says the wandering in the desert was after they had crossed the red sea.
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Post by By the bye on Sept 9, 2019 15:31:49 GMT -5
Very good ,
And for research :
google :
utube, Dr Lennart Moller, The Exodus Case, The real mount Sinai”
Hope that works !
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Post by By the bye on Sept 12, 2019 10:39:08 GMT -5
Is scientific method reliable?
If not , when can we predict that the facts of yesterday, will ‘evolve ‘ into the erroneous assumptions of today?
Hmmm?
Y Just wondering
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