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Post by The experts?? on Jun 17, 2019 23:39:42 GMT -5
Expelled: No intelligence allowed! (by Ben Stein)
Hmmmm
Very shaky belief system, for sure. Thank you.
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Post by editted to experts?? on Jun 18, 2019 7:03:16 GMT -5
Expelled: No intelligence allowed! (by Ben Stein) Hmmmm Very shaky belief system, for sure. Thank you. PS: John 15:13 , ..no greater love hath no man , than for him to lay down his life for his friends. (,done so for the honoring and upholding of truth and righteousness ) Thank you , Thank you,
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Post by Edit on Jun 18, 2019 22:40:20 GMT -5
Expelled: No intelligence allowed! (by Ben Stein) Hmmmm Very shaky belief system, for sure. Thank you. PS: John 15:13 , ..no greater love hath no man , than for him to lay down his life for his friends. (,done so for the honoring and upholding of truth and righteousness ) Thank you , Thank you,[/ P.S. : Mark 12:10 “......”the stone which the builders (and many scholars) rejected is become the head of the corner. (Chief Cornerstone). This is the Lord’s doing and it is marvelous in our eyes? Thank you,
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 20, 2019 23:04:20 GMT -5
Science uprising: DNA is code, who coded it? ?
Short clip debunking “atheists worldview” (a.k.a. “evolution”)
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by anonymous, on Jun 22, 2019 11:47:01 GMT -5
Genesis is very enlightening !
There are several meanings to : illumination
Let there be “light “ is an interesting request
made by someone that doesn’t need to be
bothered by a material world.
More later..... hmmmmmm
Thanks!
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Post by anonymous edited to ... on Jun 22, 2019 16:39:06 GMT -5
[quo"]Genesis is very enlightening !
There are several meanings to : illumination
Let there be “light “ is an interesting request
made by someone that doesn’t need to be
bothered by a material world.
More later..... hmmmmmm
Thanks!
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Our Creators plan for creation?
Well, first off.. , we need communication (check 🗝/ let their be light)
Well, let the enlightenment begin!!
Our Creator gave us light/communication/intelligence with ONE simple request, “Let there be Light”
And may I ask what good is photons , if we cannot be illustriously enlightened to understand their true “value”
(Granted photons are quite useful in a material world , nevertheless, in the spirit world , I’d Rather be intellect minded. Right?
And hmmmmm,
Thank you,
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Post by anonymous on Jun 22, 2019 20:39:14 GMT -5
Science uprising: DNA is code, who coded it? ? Short clip debunking “atheists worldview” (a.k.a. “evolution”) Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Huh? Well that’s “how evolution theory was written, by people making up stuff for the things they didn’t understand ??” oh well thank you
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Post by anonymous on Jun 24, 2019 18:09:13 GMT -5
And, we as human beings, are born to have a great dependence on language, Most importantly we can identify with the word/words that we so choose to express “who/what” we are “bound” to and with.
we certainly can understand this concept if we communicate on such a “forum” as the one we are so perusing at this moment.
for good or nil, we “are our words” , as it is such that we choose to be known by and for.
hmmmm
So, it was for Our Creator! Yes, He chose His word/ Word very carefully. Presently the word of the Lord , can be understood to be our Messiah!
in the Old covenant, there were many prophets that were “spokesmen “ for our Creator,
and this was made known in scripture by the
announcements so read as: “the word of the Lord came unto “_______”. (Insert prophets name) I
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Post by anonymous on Jun 24, 2019 18:30:30 GMT -5
So, when we know that our Creator, “cannot lie”, in essence “He is bounded to and by His own word/words”.
And Yet, we do know that our Creator does love mercy! Thankfully, and because of this He wants us to also love and show mercy in our lives , by what we are bound to (our own word?)
and i give you my word , and am so bound by it
thank you
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Post by Anonymous edit on Jun 25, 2019 7:07:43 GMT -5
"1561222021"]Genesis is very enlightening !
There are several meanings to : illumination
Let there be “light “ is an interesting request
made by someone that doesn’t need to be
bothered by a material world.
More later..... hmmmmmm
Obviously the laws of science, math, language, etc, were perceived prior to ‘the Creation’ of the material paradigm , the nature of Spiritual concepts , were not “created”, as they have always belonged to the eternal person who is Himself “uncreated” .
Thank you.
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Post by Anonymous edit on Jun 27, 2019 7:55:16 GMT -5
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the variation in species due to expressing recessive genes/genetics , gives latitude within species, and always maintains its Created kind core .
People who don’t understand evolution, is because evolution is not rational, has no purpose, and the mutations that are Anti-genetic rarely have enough stamina to survive a couple generations
And that’s just the “text-book” criticism of evolution.
In principle, it has no reason to ‘evolve’ when there is no directive that claims survival is good/better .
Ha, some species even prefer descending !! Hmmmm[
Thank you,
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So “text book” evolution is a myth.
And we embrace the reality that we were created and
Authored by the signature evidence in the “DNA” code, Of which “contrary to current ‘theories’ there is absolutely No evidence that mutations can cause benefits to an organism, (Viewed in the ‘ long term’ ) as they assuredly cause death ,
And yes, even the root word of the meaning of ‘sin’ = ‘to miss the mark’ ( as in ‘ sinner arrow’ ) Thus sin= mutation= morality of the species
Hmmm, in my opinion
Thank you
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 27, 2019 18:23:11 GMT -5
So then , it is creation that is the Only precept that Simultaneously promotes life, and allows the Concept for mortality to be wired into the information Code .
And we can choose life, and live as we were so created to live , for ever and ever, Amen
Thank you,
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 27, 2019 18:25:03 GMT -5
So then , it is creation that is the Only precept that Simultaneously promotes life, and allows the Concept for mortality to be wired into the information Code .
And we can choose life, and live as we were so created to live , for ever and ever, Amen
Thank you,
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 29, 2019 8:37:48 GMT -5
I’m guessing that if our Creator came and created an exact DNA replica of an evolutionist , the evolutionist would pause and gasp, “wow i didn’t think evolution could happen that fast!” 😮
hmmm, ‘There are None so blind as he that will not see’.
Sad sad to say
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2019 13:38:36 GMT -5
LOL oh the irony.
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 29, 2019 19:30:42 GMT -5
Not really meant to be funny. Actually it’s very serious and has a great spiritual lesson , using a materialistic Concept of blindness , when the purpose of seeing is to Understand the spiritual values. (Does evolution teach spiritual values??) Sadly, some people “choose” to be spiritually blind Obviously, materialistic blindness is not a ‘choice’ that people seek to choose? Nevertheless Thank you,
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Post by Anonymous on Jun 29, 2019 20:36:31 GMT -5
mutations are errors.
if the errors are intentional ( yes, we have been given a muted time to live ) and we are definitely
terminal /mortal , is there any insight into
why we are all mortal? Why were sin mutations
thrust upon human condition? logically it is up to us to overcome this condition by availing ourselves of the conditions that are expedient for eternal life.
(seek correction for the erroneous mindset / aka : disobedience to our Life Creator) in my opinion
thank you
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Post by Anonymous on Jul 3, 2019 4:08:10 GMT -5
mutations are errors. if the errors are intentional ( yes, we have been given a muted time to live ) and we are definitely terminal /mortal , is there any insight into why we are all mortal? Why were sin mutations thrust upon human condition? logically it is up to us to overcome this condition by availing ourselves of the conditions that are expedient for eternal life. (seek correction for the erroneous mindset / aka : disobedience to our Life Creator) in my opinion thank you And yes, when in any doubt , just remember our Creator jump started human culture by favoring a chosen people (descendants of Abraham) , and communicating with the children of Israel(Jacob ) and we can study this historical relationship as it has been solemnly preserved to our generation. thank you,
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Post by Anonymous on Jul 4, 2019 6:03:14 GMT -5
Hmmmm, and to add to this thought, we might consider that the Hebrew covenant is so unique
in that their (God) Creator has chosen them to be His
(beloved) , and Abraham believed this , and it was accounted to him “for righteousness”
So contrary to the heathen people creating and choosing
the Hebrews were chosen by “the everlasting Creator.”
(and also accepting of all who “would see the truth” and
also believe .
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Post by cb on Jul 6, 2019 0:50:27 GMT -5
Some great examples of feeling the touch of God already in the first thread! I know that most people have already settled upon an explanation for their God-experiences. Will believers be of any more help in an objective search than those who have already decided there is nothing beyond materialism? In other words, are any of us capable of taking a step back to describe our religious or spiritual experiences without postulating about their cause, or are our particular set of beliefs so integrated into our experiences that we cannot participate open-mindedly? I doubt anyone seriously imagines their religion is the only one that offers comfort/awe/Spirit-bathing/etc., so I'm talking about the difference between saying "I prayed to Jesus and he heard me and sent an angel to strengthen me" and "I fell to my knees in prayer and immediately a feeling of calmness came over me." So, an open invitation: Any believers who will share experiences in objective terms, or any disbelievers who have God-like mysteries they haven't yet explained? I'm not sure if where this thread is currently is still answering this original quote, but it's still going so I'm going to play. Hopefully I answer it with as much un-bias as I can. So, I found myself slowly straying away from the Omega William Irvine message I was raised with. It wasn't that I didn't believe it, I was just not caring one way or another. I became a member of a 12 step program, which is spiritual in nature, but is open to whatever Higher Power you want to use. I am very thankful for that because I didn't want anything to do with a Christian God. Though William Irvine's Omega message does make reference to God, it is so hateful toward Christians that I didn't consider us having the same God. I also didn't have a lot of care about William Irvine so I refused to use either God. I basically came up with my own conception of what I thought God was or wanted him to be. Coming from by background, my conception of God has been pretty messed up so it was all over the place in the first many, many years of my sobriety. But my experience, both personal and what I saw in others, is that this God of our own understanding, which took various forms based on each person's interpretation was indeed one of the most if not THEE most important thing in their lives. What each one credited their sobriety and changed lives to. This is actually what got me heading more in the direction of leaving the Omega Message. According to how I was raised to believe, God shouldn't have cared about any of these people. Their lives should be falling apart because they aren't followers of William Irvine. But they weren't. Their lives were changing...for the better. In ways they couldn't explain. And couldn't have done on their own. As I said my Higher Power was all over the place during most of my sobriety. I did eventually experience things that led me to my current understanding and that is the Christian God of the Bible. BUT... there is no doubt in my mind that God cared about me and saved my life and cared about all those others and saved their lives, without us being Christians. So now I do wonder at times that God reached me in a way that he could at the time. Being that there would have been no way in hell I would have taken the Christian God as my Higher Power all those years. But it was still Him. And He worked on me and worked on me till I would come to accept Him as I do now. And I also believe the Bible and what it says about Jesus being the only way. So based on my current beliefs, would I have been saved at that time, No. Does it ever cross my mind that the God that was helping me and so many others all those years is indeed omnipotent and allows people to find him however it works for them. Of course. So do I have the answer, no. But I heard once from a speaker, "AA may not get you into Heaven, but it will open the gates of Hell and let you out." And I know that to be true.
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Post by anonymous on Jul 6, 2019 5:56:02 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm
Yes, and we have been given “free will” to choose the good, and avoid that which opposes good ??
Thanks
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Post by Anonymous on Jul 7, 2019 19:34:36 GMT -5
how can natural life be “fair”?
i have inherited the bad mutations from all my ancestors.
Hmmm,
bad mutations could be unintentionally passed on
si , it’s best to not pass on your “intentionalities” so in other words, if you want your offspring to be sinless, avoid sin whenever possible!!
Hmmmm,
simple, thank you
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Post by quest (anon) on Jul 16, 2019 23:27:48 GMT -5
I would like to know that we can fully understand ’pure logic’ , before we advance to understanding the concept of basic biology.
we know pure logic must abide by ‘laws’
we know ‘pure logic’ has either : eternally existed,
or or it was ‘created’ .
since pure logic defies a beginning, as it cannot
be created (self evident ) ,
something that is (deserves) to be trusted .
what creates ‘trust’ ? ?
is trust also self-evident ?
if it’s not self-evident, ...can we logically trust (this)? ? or is merely accepting something to be true and
logical, actually the foundations of this trust.
can anything be proven without addressing the concept of trusting our personal source of ‘logic’, and knowing that it agrees with what is truly true.
hmmmm
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Post by quest (anon.) on Jul 18, 2019 17:20:32 GMT -5
Hmmm,
i donut know?
yet it is likely the source of interpretation
variance(s)??
please consider that the New Testament as
first recorded, (in Greek -mind you!)
has the conundrum? of capitalization of Greek letters , thus proper names — need to be interpreted as proper names without the distinction of recognizing the capitalization of the “said name”
Thus, we have the use of god, (lower case) , and either references (in print , Christian interpretation), we capitalize All references , concerning Our Creator, Our Saviour, Shepard of Israel, etc X 100 . Thus it is strictly interpretation that defines what makes Jesus worthy of worship, as for me, just capitalizing god doesn’t isn’t sufficient??
maybe
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Post by quest (anon.) on Jul 21, 2019 21:42:36 GMT -5
and yes, looking at “creation” from a
sculpture’s View?
what is most important in the universe is the vast spaces, the gaps between the created things?
arent we all glad for the gap spaces that exist? (Without which nothing could be seperated from the whole.
hmm
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Post by Consideration (anon.) on Jul 26, 2019 9:48:42 GMT -5
after some reflection on visiting a Catholic friend of , it occurred that , indeed , the tenants of the f&w have a distinct basis in the observation that this faith (f&w) is not ‘Catholic’, neither is it a protest against the ‘Catholic’ beliefs/doctrines (?), but its tenants are reflective of the tenants taught by the shores of Galilee 2000 years ago // no protest involved/needed , but to return to the teachings set forth by the apostles and preserved by the written (Greek! ) letters that were cherished by the church of the believers/faithful , preserved as was evident by the promises of those that were the called to preserve . hmm
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Post by Consideration (anon.) on Jul 26, 2019 10:02:34 GMT -5
after some reflection on visiting a Catholic friend of , it occurred that , indeed , the tenants of the f&w have a distinct basis in the observation that this faith (f&w) is not ‘Catholic’, neither is it a protest against the ‘Catholic’ beliefs/doctrines (?), but its tenants are reflective of the tenants taught by the shores of Galilee 2000 years ago // no protest involved/needed , but to return to the teachings set forth by the apostles and preserved by the written (Greek! ) letters that were cherished by the church of the believers/faithful , preserved as was evident by the promises of those that were the called to preserve . hmm thank you This may be the reason for the combined angst that was prevalent (in those years ~ early 1900s , Ireland) that both the Protestants and Catholics - both protested the said tenants thereof. lMO
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Post by Consideration/ on Aug 27, 2019 3:17:02 GMT -5
after some reflection on visiting a Catholic friend of , it occurred that , indeed , the tenants of the f&w have a distinct basis in the observation that this faith (f&w) is not ‘Catholic’, neither is it a protest against the ‘Catholic’ beliefs/doctrines (?), but its tenants are reflective of the tenants taught by the shores of Galilee 2000 years ago // no protest involved/needed , but to return to the teachings set forth by the apostles and preserved by the written (Greek! ) letters that were cherished by the church of the believers/faithful , preserved as was evident by the promises of those that were the called to preserve . hmm thank you This may be the reason for the combined angst that was prevalent (in those years ~ early 1900s , Ireland) that both the Protestants and Catholics - both protested the said tenants thereof. lMO [. Jesus taught ; “After this manner : our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come , thy will be done, ln earth as it is in heaven........ .........” Hmmm, “Our father”. Ahh. That must be meaning that WE are brothers of our Lord Christ Jesus? Nice to have that picture cleared up once and for ALL time 😉
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