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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2018 4:57:30 GMT -5
Well , hmmmmm, aren’t modern theories contending that such climate changes of even 2 degrees , aren’t possible unless we humans are the “cause” ? May surely there can be nonhuman causes to the cold/warm climate cycles IMO. Study on, and on my friend the great deluge was not due to climate change, IMO. it was only a temporary change in “weather” And it was correctly prophecied by Noah Of course, and the last ice age was just a change in the weather!
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Post by quest on Nov 15, 2018 5:02:34 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Nov 15, 2018 8:44:24 GMT -5
In the rocks there is evidence that at least twice, the earth was covered with water from the poles to the equator, 23,000,000 and 650,000,0000 years ago. These times are referred to as snowball earth, because the water was frozen. Well , hmmmmm, aren’t modern theories contending that such climate changes of even 2 degrees , aren’t possible unless we humans are the “cause” ? May surely there can be nonhuman causes to the cold/warm climate cycles IMO. Study on, and on my friend I don't follow this too much but here is what I understand and why: Nature and Humans both change the climate. A recent cause by Nature was 1816 Year Without A Summer. "Evidence suggests that the anomaly was predominantly a volcanic winter event caused by the massive 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) . This eruption was the largest eruption in at least 1,300 years (after the extreme weather events of 535–536), and perhaps exacerbated by the 1814 eruption of Mayon in the Philippines."
The focus is on human causes, as we can't control much of the natural causes.
BTW: A great site for the weather is windy.com. If you select the "more layers" you can see how see CO & SO2 dynamic changes. You can see it's the population centers that produce these gases.
There is no evidence of a global flood 6,000 years ago. It's clear to me based on the evidence these bible stories are myths.
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Post by snow on Nov 15, 2018 18:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by quest on Nov 15, 2018 20:45:16 GMT -5
interesting analysis, nevertheless, it actually confirms the promise that God will not send another deluge . (Nor will nature allow for one , IMO , since nature is the nature of our Creator . ) hmmmm
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Post by quest on Nov 15, 2018 21:02:51 GMT -5
Well , hmmmmm, aren’t modern theories contending that such climate changes of even 2 degrees , aren’t possible unless we humans are the “cause” ? May surely there can be nonhuman causes to the cold/warm climate cycles IMO. Study on, and on my friend I don't follow this too much but here is what I understand and why: Nature and Humans both change the climate. A recent cause by Nature was 1816 Year Without A Summer. "Evidence suggests that the anomaly was predominantly a volcanic winter event caused by the massive 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) . This eruption was the largest eruption in at least 1,300 years (after the extreme weather events of 535–536), and perhaps exacerbated by the 1814 eruption of Mayon in the Philippines."
The focus is on human causes, as we can't control much of the natural causes.
BTW: A great site for the weather is windy.com. If you select the "more layers" you can see how see CO & SO2 dynamic changes. You can see it's the population centers that produce these gases.
There is no evidence of a global flood 6,000 years ago. It's clear to me based on the evidence these bible stories are myths.
Valintina Zadharkova, a senior astro physicist , understands the non-issue of the CO2 discussion, and in her research finds the CO2 measurements to be obtained by “bogus” methods. Certainly not scientific if you google her presentation at the global alarmist meeting about a month ago, she created quite a wake up to those that attended and paid enough attention to understand what she researched. So, you cannot measure CO2 in our atmosphere, thereIs No scientific machine to obtain these measurements in the manner needed to claim a rising or falling of CO2 And if you estimate, there is no proof that it has the affect the alarmists claim it to have It’s a game that has beniffitted the politicians that have a great opportunity to raise taxes without any tax Consequences, IMO
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 15, 2018 22:53:08 GMT -5
I don't follow this too much but here is what I understand and why: Nature and Humans both change the climate. A recent cause by Nature was 1816 Year Without A Summer. "Evidence suggests that the anomaly was predominantly a volcanic winter event caused by the massive 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) . This eruption was the largest eruption in at least 1,300 years (after the extreme weather events of 535–536), and perhaps exacerbated by the 1814 eruption of Mayon in the Philippines."
The focus is on human causes, as we can't control much of the natural causes.
BTW: A great site for the weather is windy.com. If you select the "more layers" you can see how see CO & SO2 dynamic changes. You can see it's the population centers that produce these gases.
There is no evidence of a global flood 6,000 years ago. It's clear to me based on the evidence these bible stories are myths.
Valintina Zadharkova, a senior astro physicist , understands the non-issue of the CO2 discussion, and in her research finds the CO2 measurements to be obtained by “bogus” methods. Certainly not scientific if you google her presentation at the global alarmist meeting about a month ago, she created quite a wake up to those that attended and paid enough attention to understand what she researched. So, you cannot measure CO2 in our atmosphere, thereIs No scientific machine to obtain these measurements in the manner needed to claim a rising or falling of CO2 And if you estimate, there is no proof that it has the affect the alarmists claim it to have It’s a game that has beniffitted the politicians that have a great opportunity to raise taxes without any tax Consequences, IMO You might like to read this as well as do a bit more research yourself before you get too excited about Zadharkova. www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 15, 2018 22:55:11 GMT -5
Well , hmmmmm, aren’t modern theories contending that such climate changes of even 2 degrees , aren’t possible unless we humans are the “cause” ? May surely there can be nonhuman causes to the cold/warm climate cycles IMO. Study on, and on my friend I don't follow this too much but here is what I understand and why: Nature and Humans both change the climate. A recent cause by Nature was 1816 Year Without A Summer. "Evidence suggests that the anomaly was predominantly a volcanic winter event caused by the massive 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) . This eruption was the largest eruption in at least 1,300 years (after the extreme weather events of 535–536), and perhaps exacerbated by the 1814 eruption of Mayon in the Philippines."
The focus is on human causes, as we can't control much of the natural causes.
BTW: A great site for the weather is windy.com. If you select the "more layers" you can see how see CO & SO2 dynamic changes. You can see it's the population centers that produce these gases.
There is no evidence of a global flood 6,000 years ago. It's clear to me based on the evidence these bible stories are myths.
It is beyond me why anyone with a brain would actually believe the flood story, or the creation story. Are they being wilfully stupid or wilfully ignorant. Wanders off scratching his head and what's left of his hair.
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Post by quest on Nov 16, 2018 3:31:11 GMT -5
I don't follow this too much but here is what I understand and why: Nature and Humans both change the climate. A recent cause by Nature was 1816 Year Without A Summer. "Evidence suggests that the anomaly was predominantly a volcanic winter event caused by the massive 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora in the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) . This eruption was the largest eruption in at least 1,300 years (after the extreme weather events of 535–536), and perhaps exacerbated by the 1814 eruption of Mayon in the Philippines."
The focus is on human causes, as we can't control much of the natural causes.
BTW: A great site for the weather is windy.com. If you select the "more layers" you can see how see CO & SO2 dynamic changes. You can see it's the population centers that produce these gases.
There is no evidence of a global flood 6,000 years ago. It's clear to me based on the evidence these bible stories are myths.
It is beyond me why anyone with a brain would actually believe the flood story, or the creation story. Are they being wilfully stupid or wilfully ignorant. Wanders off scratching his head and what's left of his hair. Here Noah has went full circle . Kinda ironic isn’t it? And yet his legacy lives on and on , in fact , if such data was known to us, we all could trace our ancestry to The flood survivors . Noah —-> thru Shem, Ham , Japheth People in Noah’s (preflood years) scoffed that the flood was not going to happen. —>. Today we have “scoffers”. Sadly unable to understand the great evidence that surrounds us that confirms the deluge I’ve already iterated a few bits of these “Scoffing” is not evidence, it’s only ignorance. TY
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Post by snow on Nov 16, 2018 16:45:16 GMT -5
interesting analysis, nevertheless, it actually confirms the promise that God will not send another deluge . (Nor will nature allow for one , IMO , since nature is the nature of our Creator . ) hmmmm Nature is the nature of our Creator? Why would you say that? Are you a Deist?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 16, 2018 17:38:34 GMT -5
It is beyond me why anyone with a brain would actually believe the flood story, or the creation story. Are they being wilfully stupid or wilfully ignorant. Wanders off scratching his head and what's left of his hair. Here Noah has went full circle . Kinda ironic isn’t it? And yet his legacy lives on and on , in fact , if such data was known to us, we all could trace our ancestry to The flood survivors . Noah —-> thru Shem, Ham , Japheth People in Noah’s (preflood years) scoffed that the flood was not going to happen. —>. Today we have “scoffers”. Sadly unable to understand the great evidence that surrounds us that confirms the deluge I’ve already iterated a few bits of these “Scoffing” is not evidence, it’s only ignorance. TY Scoffing at unsubstantiated mythology from the goatherders guide to the galaxy is legitimate.
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Post by quest on Nov 16, 2018 18:55:29 GMT -5
interesting analysis, nevertheless, it actually confirms the promise that God will not send another deluge . (Nor will nature allow for one , IMO , since nature is the nature of our Creator . ) hmmmm Nature is the nature of our Creator? Why would you say that? Are you a Deist? Only if they agree with the belief that our Creator, is the creator of all things including the natural state of our physical laws, or nature . I was wondering if it could be taken more than one way. ?
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Post by quest on Nov 16, 2018 22:14:09 GMT -5
Valintina Zadharkova, a senior astro physicist , understands the non-issue of the CO2 discussion, and in her research finds the CO2 measurements to be obtained by “bogus” methods. Certainly not scientific if you google her presentation at the global alarmist meeting about a month ago, she created quite a wake up to those that attended and paid enough attention to understand what she researched. So, you cannot measure CO2 in our atmosphere, thereIs No scientific machine to obtain these measurements in the manner needed to claim a rising or falling of CO2 And if you estimate, there is no proof that it has the affect the alarmists claim it to have It’s a game that has beniffitted the politicians that have a great opportunity to raise taxes without any tax Consequences, IMO You might like to read this as well as do a bit more research yourself before you get too excited about Zadharkova. www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrongreally? Hmmm. youtu.be/dWFF4lwFqxg..
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 16, 2018 23:44:01 GMT -5
Yes, really, it may not suit your beliefs but if you have an open mind when researching, rather than looking on dodgy religious sites for items that suit your agenda then you will possibly learn something.
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Post by quest on Nov 17, 2018 4:17:05 GMT -5
OK, how about this one?? Hmmm. youtu.be/dWFF4lwFqxgr]..[/quote]if you have an open mind when researching, g. [/quote]
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Post by snow on Nov 17, 2018 10:54:43 GMT -5
Nature is the nature of our Creator? Why would you say that? Are you a Deist? Only if they agree with the belief that our Creator, is the creator of all things including the natural state of our physical laws, or nature . I was wondering if it could be taken more than one way. ? So you don't believe in a personal God? Just a creator that made everything then left it to evolve as it will?
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Post by quest on Nov 17, 2018 19:10:40 GMT -5
Only if they agree with the belief that our Creator, is the creator of all things including the natural state of our physical laws, or nature . I was wondering if it could be taken more than one way. ? So you don't believe in a personal God? Just a creator that made everything then left it to evolve as it will? I don’t get carried away with those “new age “ doctrines. As we know, our DNA is specific for carrying out recreation of that which was created. I cannot visualize how a created being , needs to “evolve” as the DNA will render “evolving “ to be strictly theoretical fiction. IMO
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2018 21:22:38 GMT -5
So you don't believe in a personal God? Just a creator that made everything then left it to evolve as it will? I don’t get carried away with those “new age “ doctrines. As we know, our DNA is specific for carrying out recreation of that which was created. I cannot visualize how a created being , needs to “evolve” as the DNA will render “evolving “ to be strictly theoretical fiction. IMO Deism is NOT "new age" doctrine.
Deism derived from Latin "deus" meaning "god" is a philosophical belief that posits that God exists as an uncaused First Cause ultimately responsible for the creation of the universe, but does not interfere directly with the created world.
Equivalently, deism can also be defined as the view which posits God's existence as the cause of all things, and admits its perfection (and usually the existence of natural law and Providence) but rejects divine revelation or direct intervention of God in the universe by miracles.
It also rejects revelation as a source of religious knowledge and asserts that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a single creator or absolute principle of the universe.
Deism gained prominence among intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in Britain, France, Germany, and the United States.
Typically, these had been raised as Christians and believed in one God, but they had become disenchanted with organized religion and orthodox teachings such as the Trinity, Biblical inerrancy, and the supernatural interpretation of events, such as miracles.[6]
cont.@ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
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Post by quest on Nov 17, 2018 22:08:26 GMT -5
I don’t get carried away with those “new age “ doctrines. As we know, our DNA is specific for carrying out recreation of that which was created. I cannot visualize how a created being , needs to “evolve” as the DNA will render “evolving “ to be strictly theoretical fiction. IMO Deism is NOT "new age" doctrine.
Deism derived from Latin "deus" meaning "god" is a philosophical belief that posits that God exists as an uncaused First Cause ultimately responsible for the creation of the universe, but does not interfere directly with the created world.
Equivalently, deism can also be defined as the view which posits God's existence as the cause of all things, and admits its perfection (and usually the existence of natural law and Providence) but rejects divine revelation or direct intervention of God in the universe by miracles.
It also rejects revelation as a source of religious knowledge and asserts that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a single creator or absolute principle of the universe.
Deism gained prominence among intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in Britain, France, Germany, and the United States.
Typically, these had been raised as Christians and believed in one God, but they had become disenchanted with organized religion and orthodox teachings such as the Trinity, Biblical inerrancy, and the supernatural interpretation of events, such as miracles.[6]
cont.@ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeismIn other words , Deism isn’t compatible with the Old Testament?? I haven’t studied it enough to distinguish it from the: { “””” new(new) age((age)) “”””} dogma , so I will default on following the said precepts of the ardent deist . TY
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2018 23:38:19 GMT -5
Deism is NOT "new age" doctrine.
Deism derived from Latin "deus" meaning "god" is a philosophical belief that posits that God exists as an uncaused First Cause ultimately responsible for the creation of the universe, but does not interfere directly with the created world.
Equivalently, deism can also be defined as the view which posits God's existence as the cause of all things, and admits its perfection (and usually the existence of natural law and Providence) but rejects divine revelation or direct intervention of God in the universe by miracles.
It also rejects revelation as a source of religious knowledge and asserts that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a single creator or absolute principle of the universe.
Deism gained prominence among intellectuals during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in Britain, France, Germany, and the United States.
Typically, these had been raised as Christians and believed in one God, but they had become disenchanted with organized religion and orthodox teachings such as the Trinity, Biblical inerrancy, and the supernatural interpretation of events, such as miracles.[6]
cont.@ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism In other words , Deism isn’t compatible with the Old Testament?? I haven’t studied it enough to distinguish it from the: {new(new) age((age)) dogma , so I will default on following the said precepts of the ardent deist . TY Very good. But it might be a good idea to study something more about "Deism" and "New age religions" before taking your position.
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Post by quest on Nov 18, 2018 1:44:55 GMT -5
Well, if what anyone believes is compatible with what our Creator’s teachings are , then yes I do study . JMT
That’s my personal filtering system anyways , fwiw
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Post by quest on Nov 18, 2018 1:53:46 GMT -5
And I believe that what the Christ taught ( in the NT ), is perfectly Compatible with the Creators teachings , IMO
TY
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 18, 2018 2:08:18 GMT -5
Well, if what anyone believes is compatible with what our Creator’s teachings are , then yes I do study . JMT That’s my personal filtering system anyways , fwiw Why do you need ANY filtering system if you are looking for truth?
You can never find the truth of anything if you have to filter what you want to believe to start with?
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Post by quest on Nov 18, 2018 4:10:04 GMT -5
Well, if what anyone believes is compatible with what our Creator’s teachings are , then yes I do study . JMT That’s my personal filtering system anyways , fwiw Why do you need ANY filtering system if you are looking for truth?
You can never find the truth of anything if you have to filter what you want to believe to start with?
My turn to ask you a question! How do “you “recognize if something is “good or evil”? Do you study all the evil ideas before you start a filtering system to ignore the garbage ? JMT
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Post by quest on Dec 6, 2018 20:48:33 GMT -5
So , people have various opinions about who Jesus
was , many people got it all wrong. ( nice to know that:
among others, Peter got it right!! And for that Jesus
‘Blessed” him!
Jesus was the most misunderstood human being to ever live , and fully understood this situation.
He wasn’t seeking his own will , and His followers
Understood that they , too, needed to overcome the
misguided opinions others had/will have about the
purpose of life/living that we inherited when we
breathed in our first breath , up until the day we breathed
our last breath , it is really simple, but greatly
misunderstood by many , and yet it shouldn’t be
that way , sad to say
.,TY
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Post by quest on Dec 7, 2018 4:18:59 GMT -5
Many misunderstandings begin with what “motivates” “Our” actions.
Can humans understand these influences?
It is good when these motives are manifested and
Properly understood, and this can be done , IMO
TY
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Post by quest on Dec 7, 2018 4:27:33 GMT -5
And to add to above thought of our “motive “ being what motivates us to action. Like: “ what is our ‘banner’ “?
Banners motivate us. “Love is the kingdoms banner” !
TY
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Post by quest on Dec 7, 2018 4:32:26 GMT -5
Jesus was motivated by this banner, and for that He was greatly misunderstood...
But to those who understand, He brings eternal life
TY
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