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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:10:01 GMT -5
Romans 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. shooting a violent intruder during the commission of a crime is not vengeance...
slapping me on my cheek is one thing beating me to death or killing me is another...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 21, 2016 22:17:15 GMT -5
Romans 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. shooting a violent intruder during the commission of a crime is not vengeance...
slapping me on my cheek is one thing beating me to death or killing me is another...
"Beloved, NEVER AVENGE YOURSELVES" ....... thanks for proving my point @wally ! We can all cherry pick verses to suit our views !
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 21, 2016 22:18:07 GMT -5
Once again you have cherry picked a verse to suit you view ! What about "turning the other cheek" ? I can do that too @wally . Matthew 26:52-54 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?” its called balance knowing when to fight and when to flight... I would have thought it was having faith in God in this instance .....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:28:43 GMT -5
its called balance knowing when to fight and when to flight... I would have thought it was having faith in God in this instance ..... I just pray that you never suffer a home invasion and the things they would do to you and your family and your solution is to throw bible verses at them...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 21, 2016 22:43:50 GMT -5
I would have thought it was having faith in God in this instance ..... I just pray that you never suffer a home invasion and the things they would do to you and your family and your solution is to throw bible verses at them... So now are you saying the bible verse's that you hold in such high regard in fact mean nothing ! Wow, I thought you believed the bible was inspired by God ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:49:46 GMT -5
I just pray that you never suffer a home invasion and the things they would do to you and your family and your solution is to throw bible verses at them... So now are you saying the bible verse's that you hold in such high regard in fact mean nothing ! Wow, I thought you believed the bible was inspired by God ? I've only heard of ONE situation where bible verses deterred a criminal otherwise it just doesn't happen...
just because a disciple of satan wont regard bible verses doesn't mean the bible is not inspired by God...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 21, 2016 22:54:47 GMT -5
So you have faith that God will protect you sometimes, but other times you don't have faith that God will protect you, so you have to have a gun ! What has a "disciple of satan" (what ever that means) not regarding bible verse's got to do with anything ? Do you ASSume that a person who breaks into a house is a "disciple of satan" ?
Do you think that God see's all @wally ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 22:58:36 GMT -5
So you have faith that God will protect you sometimes, but other times you don't have faith that God will protect you, so you have to have a gun ! What has a "disciple of satan" (what ever that means) not regarding bible verse's got to do with anything ? Do you ASSume that a person who breaks into a house is a "disciple of satan" ? Do you think that God see's all @wally ? yes God see's all...
sometimes God wants us to do our own part in protecting ourselves...
yes to commit an act of violence I would think that that person is a disciple of satan...
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2016 22:59:33 GMT -5
So you have faith that God will protect you sometimes, but other times you don't have faith that God will protect you, so you have to have a gun ! What has a "disciple of satan" (what ever that means) not regarding bible verse's got to do with anything ? Do you ASSume that a person who breaks into a house is a "disciple of satan" ? Do you think that God see's all @wally ? Maybe Wally needs a big cross to hold up and put a hex on someone who's breaking into his house. It works in the movies.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 21, 2016 23:10:52 GMT -5
So you have faith that God will protect you sometimes, but other times you don't have faith that God will protect you, so you have to have a gun ! What has a "disciple of satan" (what ever that means) not regarding bible verse's got to do with anything ? Do you ASSume that a person who breaks into a house is a "disciple of satan" ? Do you think that God see's all @wally ? yes God see's all...
sometimes God wants us to do our own part in protecting ourselves...
yes to commit an act of violence I would think that that person is a disciple of satan...
So @wally you don't have faith that God will protect you, you justify your ideas by saying "God wants us to do our part in protecting ourselves" How do the workers protect themselves ? What exactly is a disciple of satan ? If a person breaks into your house you have already assumed they are a disciple of satan, so you feel, as a Christian you have a right to shoot them, then say God wanted you to do your part in protecting yourself ! Wow ! What are your views on Muslims, @wally ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 23:31:14 GMT -5
yes God see's all...
sometimes God wants us to do our own part in protecting ourselves...
yes to commit an act of violence I would think that that person is a disciple of satan...
So @wally you don't have faith that God will protect you, you justify your ideas by saying "God wants us to do our part in protecting ourselves" How do the workers protect themselves ? What exactly is a disciple of satan ? If a person breaks into your house you have already assumed they are a disciple of satan, so you feel, as a Christian you have a right to shoot them, then say God wanted you to do your part in protecting yourself ! Wow ! What are your views on Muslims, @wally ? the workers for the most part that I can tell have chosen the pacifist track on self defense although I have never heard of one being tested on that point...
a disciple of satan is one who has committed their life to doing evil esp. violence...
I've no problem with moderate muslims(except for the lack of backbone) I do have a problem with radical muslims however...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 22, 2016 0:04:10 GMT -5
So @wally you don't have faith that God will protect you, you justify your ideas by saying "God wants us to do our part in protecting ourselves" How do the workers protect themselves ? What exactly is a disciple of satan ? If a person breaks into your house you have already assumed they are a disciple of satan, so you feel, as a Christian you have a right to shoot them, then say God wanted you to do your part in protecting yourself ! Wow ! What are your views on Muslims, @wally ? the workers for the most part that I can tell have chosen the pacifist track on self defense although I have never heard of one being tested on that point...
a disciple of satan is one who has committed their life to doing evil esp. violence...
I've no problem with moderate muslims(except for the lack of backbone) I do have a problem with radical muslims however...
Why do you think the workers have chosen the "pacifist" track on self defence? Could it be that they preach about going out in faith so if they carried guns, people would question their faith ? So everyone that has done evil/ broke into a house is a disciple of satan ? Does that mean the early convicts that stole bread to feed their families were disciples of satan ? What if a person broke into your house because they were hungry are they disciples of satan, would you shoot them because you assumed this without knowing ? Don't you think your views and justifications on guns/self defence are radical ?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 22, 2016 1:11:22 GMT -5
So @wally you don't have faith that God will protect you, you justify your ideas by saying "God wants us to do our part in protecting ourselves" How do the workers protect themselves ? What exactly is a disciple of satan ? If a person breaks into your house you have already assumed they are a disciple of satan, so you feel, as a Christian you have a right to shoot them, then say God wanted you to do your part in protecting yourself ! Wow ! What are your views on Muslims, @wally ? the workers for the most part that I can tell have chosen the pacifist track on self defense although I have never heard of one being tested on that point...
a disciple of satan is one who has committed their life to doing evil esp. violence...
With all due respect, Wally, that statement is purely an invention of your imagination, undoubtedly the result of popular mythology and Christian propaganda (which you're not responsible for, BTW) Satanists do not advocate violence. There are real people called Satanists. You'll not go to hell for asking them about this. [/p] [/quote] How do you feel about radical Christianity?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 5:45:27 GMT -5
the workers for the most part that I can tell have chosen the pacifist track on self defense although I have never heard of one being tested on that point...
a disciple of satan is one who has committed their life to doing evil esp. violence...
I've no problem with moderate muslims(except for the lack of backbone) I do have a problem with radical muslims however...
Why do you think the workers have chosen the "pacifist" track on self defence? Could it be that they preach about going out in faith so if they carried guns, people would question their faith ? So everyone that has done evil/ broke into a house is a disciple of satan ? Does that mean the early convicts that stole bread to feed their families were disciples of satan ? What if a person broke into your house because they were hungry are they disciples of satan, would you shoot them because you assumed this without knowing ? Don't you think your views and justifications on guns/self defence are radical ? that's not what I said I said "committed their life to doing evil" pay attention...
millions upon millions of people think like I do nothing radical about that its even part of our law in america...yes even in your country there are people who believe in self-defense Christians included its spread across the globe...in fact self-defense loving people have always been a round through out time...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 5:51:50 GMT -5
the workers for the most part that I can tell have chosen the pacifist track on self defense although I have never heard of one being tested on that point...
a disciple of satan is one who has committed their life to doing evil esp. violence...
With all due respect, Wally, that statement is purely an invention of your imagination, undoubtedly the result of popular mythology and Christian propaganda (which you're not responsible for, BTW) Satanists do not advocate violence. There are real people called Satanists. You'll not go to hell for asking them about this. [/quote] How do you feel about radical Christianity?[/quote][/p]
Christians who initiate violence without good cause should be put down...
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 22, 2016 6:19:14 GMT -5
With all due respect, Wally, that statement is purely an invention of your imagination, undoubtedly the result of popular mythology and Christian propaganda (which you're not responsible for, BTW) Satanists do not advocate violence. There are real people called Satanists. You'll not go to hell for asking them about this. How do you feel about radical Christianity?[/quote][/p]
Christians who initiate violence without good cause should be put down...
[/quote] But you support them politically !!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 6:24:28 GMT -5
How do you feel about radical Christianity? [/p]
Christians who initiate violence without good cause should be put down...
[/quote] But you support them politically !![/quote][/p]
I guess that depends on your definition of without good cause
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 22, 2016 6:30:06 GMT -5
Why do you think the workers have chosen the "pacifist" track on self defence? Could it be that they preach about going out in faith so if they carried guns, people would question their faith ? So everyone that has done evil/ broke into a house is a disciple of satan ? Does that mean the early convicts that stole bread to feed their families were disciples of satan ? What if a person broke into your house because they were hungry are they disciples of satan, would you shoot them because you assumed this without knowing ? Don't you think your views and justifications on guns/self defence are radical ? that's not what I said I said "committed their life to doing evil" pay attention...
millions upon millions of people think like I do nothing radical about that its even part of our law in america...yes even in your country there are people who believe in self-defense Christians included its spread across the globe...in fact self-defense loving people have always been a round through out time...
[/quote @wally you still didn't answer the question, why do you think workers have chosen the "pacifist" track on self defence ? People in Australia cannot have guns for self defence, farmers can have guns if they have property for feral pigs etc. As to you saying people here think the same as you do, well I think you will find most F&W in Australia do NOT think how you do !
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 22, 2016 6:33:06 GMT -5
Why do you think the workers have chosen the "pacifist" track on self defence? Could it be that they preach about going out in faith so if they carried guns, people would question their faith ? So everyone that has done evil/ broke into a house is a disciple of satan ? Does that mean the early convicts that stole bread to feed their families were disciples of satan ? What if a person broke into your house because they were hungry are they disciples of satan, would you shoot them because you assumed this without knowing ? Don't you think your views and justifications on guns/self defence are radical ? that's not what I said I said "committed their life to doing evil" pay attention...
We understood what you meant. You happen to be wrong. Satanists tend to be more pacifists than religious people. Yes Wally, it's radical. Your world view is too narrow to know how you relate to other civilized societies. [/p]
[/quote] Fact is, Wally, in any other civilized country protecting oneself from violence is not a 24/7 exercise like millions upon millions take it in this country. But you don't have your guns for protection anyway. You're preparing for a firefight. And unless you have some others to help you with your guns, I think you're greatly underestimating your attackers, especially the really dangerous ones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 6:34:47 GMT -5
that's not what I said I said "committed their life to doing evil" pay attention...
millions upon millions of people think like I do nothing radical about that its even part of our law in america...yes even in your country there are people who believe in self-defense Christians included its spread across the globe...in fact self-defense loving people have always been a round through out time...
[/quote @wally you still didn't answer the question, why do you think workers have chosen the "pacifist" track on self defence ? People in Australia cannot have guns for self defence, farmers can have guns if they have property for feral pigs etc. As to you saying people here think the same as you do, well I think you will find most F&W in Australia do NOT think how you do ! because they don't have balance if they did they would know they can employ self-defense in certain circumstances...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 22, 2016 6:54:10 GMT -5
because they don't have balance if they did they would know they can employ self-defense in certain circumstances... So are you saying the workers don't have balance or the friends ? You still have not answered why the workers don't carry guns ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 6:55:10 GMT -5
that's not what I said I said "committed their life to doing evil" pay attention...
We understood what you meant. You happen to be wrong. Satanists tend to be more pacifists than religious people. Yes Wally, it's radical. Your world view is too narrow to know how you relate to other civilized societies. [/p]
[/quote] Fact is, Wally, in any other civilized country protecting oneself from violence is not a 24/7 exercise like millions upon millions take it in this country. But you don't have your guns for protection anyway. You're preparing for a firefight. And unless you have some others to help you with your guns, I think you're greatly underestimating your attackers, especially the really dangerous ones.[/quote][/p]
your simply misleading everyone when you say that...i'm not talking about the church of satan and its official dogma i'm talking about a real disciple of satan who wants to do evil...
no my firearms are strictly for self-defense and not offense. how am I underestimating my "attackers"? they would be here to do violence and I am prepared to meet that violence with a firearm...they can come through the front door or the windows doesn't matter...they can case my place if they want..they can be armed with a knife and firearm or blunt instrument doesn't matter...they can try do get the drop on me outside my home im prepared for that...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 6:58:10 GMT -5
So are you saying the workers don't have balance or the friends ? You still have not answered why the workers don't carry guns ? a bit slow again? they don't have balance and have followed the pacifist track...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 22, 2016 7:04:41 GMT -5
We understood what you meant. You happen to be wrong. Satanists tend to be more pacifists than religious people. Yes Wally, it's radical. Your world view is too narrow to know how you relate to other civilized societies. [/p]
[/quote] Fact is, Wally, in any other civilized country protecting oneself from violence is not a 24/7 exercise like millions upon millions take it in this country. But you don't have your guns for protection anyway. You're preparing for a firefight. And unless you have some others to help you with your guns, I think you're greatly underestimating your attackers, especially the really dangerous ones.[/quote][/p]
your simply misleading everyone when you say that...i'm not talking about the church of satan and its official dogma i'm talking about a real disciple of satan who wants to do evil...
no my firearms are strictly for self-defense and not offense. how am I underestimating my "attackers"? they would be here to do violence and I am prepared to meet that violence with a firearm...they can come through the front door or the windows doesn't matter...they can case my place if they want..they can be armed with a knife and firearm or blunt instrument doesn't matter...they can try do get the drop on me outside my home im prepared for that...
[/quote] Seriously @wally, what a way to live ! What if the person you ASSume is there to do violence only wants food ? Surely that must happen sometimes ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 7:07:55 GMT -5
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[/quote] Fact is, Wally, in any other civilized country protecting oneself from violence is not a 24/7 exercise like millions upon millions take it in this country. But you don't have your guns for protection anyway. You're preparing for a firefight. And unless you have some others to help you with your guns, I think you're greatly underestimating your attackers, especially the really dangerous ones.[/quote][/p]
your simply misleading everyone when you say that...i'm not talking about the church of satan and its official dogma i'm talking about a real disciple of satan who wants to do evil...
no my firearms are strictly for self-defense and not offense. how am I underestimating my "attackers"? they would be here to do violence and I am prepared to meet that violence with a firearm...they can come through the front door or the windows doesn't matter...they can case my place if they want..they can be armed with a knife and firearm or blunt instrument doesn't matter...they can try do get the drop on me outside my home im prepared for that...
[/quote] Seriously @wally , what a way to live ! What if the person you ASSume is there to do violence only wants food ? Surely that must happen sometimes ?[/quote][/p]
that would become clear when I tell them to get down on the ground if they wish to do violence they wont listen if they want food they will listen...I've never actually heard of someone performing a home invasion for food I have heard of them shop lifting though at a store...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 22, 2016 7:09:09 GMT -5
So are you saying the workers don't have balance or the friends ? You still have not answered why the workers don't carry guns ? a bit slow again? they don't have balance and have followed the pacifist track... So the workers in your "only right way" don't have balance because they don't carry guns !!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 7:15:09 GMT -5
a bit slow again? they don't have balance and have followed the pacifist track... So the workers in your "only right way" don't have balance because they don't carry guns !!! I've never said the truth is the only right way...
on that particular issue yes the only question is what kinda firearm since they live out of 2 bags and a garment bag I would suggest a pistol...
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 22, 2016 7:16:35 GMT -5
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[/quote] Fact is, Wally, in any other civilized country protecting oneself from violence is not a 24/7 exercise like millions upon millions take it in this country. But you don't have your guns for protection anyway. You're preparing for a firefight. And unless you have some others to help you with your guns, I think you're greatly underestimating your attackers, especially the really dangerous ones.[/quote][/p]
your simply misleading everyone when you say that...i'm not talking about the church of satan and its official dogma i'm talking about a real disciple of satan who wants to do evil...
no my firearms are strictly for self-defense and not offense. how am I underestimating my "attackers"? they would be here to do violence and I am prepared to meet that violence with a firearm...they can come through the front door or the windows doesn't matter...they can case my place if they want..they can be armed with a knife and firearm or blunt instrument doesn't matter...they can try do get the drop on me outside my home im prepared for that...
[/quote] Seriously @wally , what a way to live ! What if the person you ASSume is there to do violence only wants food ? Surely that must happen sometimes ?[/quote][/p]
that would become clear when I tell them to get down on the ground if they wish to do violence they wont listen if they want food they will listen...I've never actually heard of someone performing a home invasion for food I have heard of them shop lifting though at a store...
[/quote] I cannot imagine wanting to live in a place where you have to think/live how you describe.
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