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Post by howitis on Aug 6, 2015 17:32:05 GMT -5
We married outsiders because we believed it was Gods will and we reapt the reward of falling out with certain workers and even some of the 'friends'. However we still married our 'outsiders'
Likewise usually someone who is a CSA perpetrator will not stop because of what workers or anyone else says, mostly those that come out of jail after being convicted still say it was 'the victims fault'!!
CSA was dealt with badly by the workers, by the Catholic church, the Anglicans, the JW's, I believe all churches, orphanages, dept community services, family and community services, police the list is endless...it is still being dealt with badly today!!!
As a victim I can honestly say I am happy with how the workers are dealing with it at present, but it still won't change the heart or desires if a perpetrator!
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 6, 2015 19:07:16 GMT -5
Just to clarify Jesse_Lackman can you please tell me when I asked you all these questions ? I do not remember interacting with you that much, so I was surprised when you blocked me ! Yes I am very direct & say it how I see it ! Also I do ask questions ! Now I know asking questions of a worker is an issue, but surely on here we can ask questions ! Also I don't think you realise a lot of things that happen in Australia, when it comes to the way CSA has been handled here it leaves a lot to be desired. Oh Roselyn, do you really want to re-visit it? I see you say you do not remember interacting with me that much, that kind of confirms my point about asking questions and not really wanting answers. You weren't listening enough to even remember the interactions? Hmmm. Well, since I have a PhD in TMB I can help. Look at the various attitudes of the posters in this thread, note who gets the peaceful and productive interactions and who doesn't. Note who likes what. People generally don't like to interact with those who ask questions, interact, and voice criticisms with the grace of a 90 pound jackhammer. "Direct" (like a 90 pound jackhammer) is not always productive way to interact with others - some of my posts have been "direct". How well are they received? Not very well, but that doesn't mean what I jackhammered wasn't true - just that there are better ways to get a point across than the direct 90 pound jackhammer way. Sure it feels good to be "direct" and ask what we think are the hard questions but again it's not a productive way to produce beneficial conversation. It's interesting how many others are more wound up about whyisitso's story than she is. Like reposting it here on redback's "Let There Be Peace" thread. Why? Does reposting it add to the peace of the thread? Was peace the desire that motivated the reposting? Whyisitso said she doesn't hold malice, and proves it by her attitude. Sometimes I get the idea that those who are direct in the 90 pound jackhammer sense have their minds made up and actually don't want a two way conversation. They bring a bowl of porridge and just want to slam the other person's face in it telling them to eat it to prove they like it. That doesn't promote peace. Redback sees the attacks I'm talking about so it's not just a figment of my imagination. Well, thank you for that Jesse_Lackman, but you didn't answer the QUESTION ! You have made a statement so back it up ! Its not hard to go back through the threads you know ! Also as far as @redback goes, I am sure he can tell me if he feels my posts are too direct, one thing I do say for @redback is he followed up on something that I had said that he disagreed with, then he was big enough to say he was wrong. Maybe Jesse_Lackman you need to re-visit some of your own posts ! Do you really think I am going to loose sleep over who "likes or "does like" my posts? Also with whyisitso post JD asked me a question I answered ! |
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 6, 2015 19:11:51 GMT -5
Who said anything about "running to a worker to ask a question" ? If a professing person marries an "outsider" the workers are pretty quick to come and ask questions, but if you were to ask "where does it say the workers have the right to stand anyone down in the Bible" that would be a question that should not be asked ! Ros, How long ago were you a part of our fellowship? You are correct that this use to happen years ago. It isn't that way any more. I would say that a lot of our new converts as of late have been because of those that have married "outside". This is the case in my area at least. Not sure about other countries. maybe you didn't read this ! |
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 6, 2015 19:16:25 GMT -5
You can be sure that a true minister would never treat you or others this way -and God has shown you now that true ministers in your new church won't. Why any servant of God would want to publicly shame a person in their church for marrying a person in their church is also bizarre behaviour - but it's not Godly behaviour. But it does make it easier to move to another church where people show love and respect rather than engage in schadenfreude. There you go again Ross, just like review said you always have to get your dig in don't you. As if the workers are the only ministers who haven't always acted like "true ministers". It gets old. whyisitso has a way better attitude about it than you do and she is the one it happened to! You could learn something from her. Well @ross it seems you are a bad boy too !  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 19:46:14 GMT -5
Please people, I have been trying to make this a PEACE thread on TMB. Surely we can have one happy place. We should understand and love one another. Life is too short, make it worthwhile.
As Roselyn has mentioned we did have problems some time ago, but were able to get over them as we took the time to understand each other. Roselyn is direct, there is no BS. I relate to this, I have a Wife much the same. But beneath that, they are very compassionate, and loving. Unfortunately some people take them the wrong way. We need to take the time to understand each other.
LET THERE BE PEACE.
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Post by snow on Aug 6, 2015 20:47:15 GMT -5
redback, this is the song I go to each morning to remind me of what really matters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 21:26:00 GMT -5
Thanks Snow, love it, great stuff. Life is about choices, we can make it hard or easy on ourself, depending on which way we go. I have always been lazy, I choose easy. I also choose love.
Let's hope more TMBers make this thread into a happy thread, that's what life should be about. Come on people do it, TMB will be a better place, and we will all be happier for it.
Snow, love the words below your posts, you are doing your bit.
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Post by rational on Aug 6, 2015 22:48:29 GMT -5
Asking whyitisso to keep something from her husband is bizarre behaviour. I'm not really worried about the theological aspects. Where there is evidence of extremely poor behaviour by those who claim to be in authority it should be called out. If our kids engaged in this behaviour we would call it out and correct it. Why not with workers? Why give people this kind of power over your life? |
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Post by howitis on Aug 6, 2015 22:54:42 GMT -5
So I guess the man with one of those white 'dog collars', and gilt edged 'dressing gowns', that advised me not to marry my husband because it wouldn't work wasn't a 'true minister' then........since I've been happily married for over 30 years.....sad if we'd taken that advice....
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Post by whyisitso on Aug 6, 2015 23:54:40 GMT -5
So I guess the man with one of those white 'dog collars', and gilt edged 'dressing gowns', that advised me not to marry my husband because it wouldn't work wasn't a 'true minister' then........since I've been happily married for over 30 years.....sad if we'd taken that advice.... Yes, unfortunately they're everywhere….Which is why I knew without a doubt when i was questioned about something that God gave me peace about that I had to step up. It wouldn't have mattered if it was the Pope, the Queen, my dad, my cousin….or any of the 9 workers that I spoke to over a 1.5 year period, if I'd said what they wanted me to say just so I could take part in meetings (i.e. say sorry that i'd married my husband) then I wasn't sure how I was going to explain that to God. Anyway, this thread of Redbacks has been hijacked… we all want peace, we all need peace…. What's life if we can't get along once in a while no matter what our views are! |
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Post by whyisitso on Aug 6, 2015 23:57:41 GMT -5
Admin, can we move the posts that aren't about 'Let there be Peace' to another thread? … Please? I don't know if it's possible?
Redback has tried to start a nice thread here and a few questions later it's turned into something completely different!
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Post by howitis on Aug 7, 2015 0:10:03 GMT -5
Yes sorry Redback, please forgive
And let there be peace!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 0:22:36 GMT -5
Admin, can we move the posts that aren't about 'Let there be Peace' to another thread? … Please? I don't know if it's possible? Redback has tried to start a nice thread here and a few questions later it's turned into something completely different! Thanks Whyisitso, maybe it should be a sub board. Happy, encouraging posts only. |
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Post by rational on Aug 7, 2015 1:22:56 GMT -5
Admin, can we move the posts that aren't about 'Let there be Peace' to another thread? … Please? I don't know if it's possible? Redback has tried to start a nice thread here and a few questions later it's turned into something completely different! Thanks Whyisitso, maybe it should be a sub board. Happy, encouraging posts only. Maybe the thread started for theists only would be a good place. It currently is not over used. |
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Post by whyisitso on Aug 7, 2015 2:22:45 GMT -5
Asking whyitisso to keep something from her husband is bizarre behaviour. I'm not really worried about the theological aspects. Where there is evidence of extremely poor behaviour by those who claim to be in authority it should be called out. If our kids engaged in this behaviour we would call it out and correct it. Why not with workers? Why give people this kind of power over your life? Well Rational, If you're in fear of being kicked out of 'the only way' and don't really understand that it's not 'the only way' and that Jesus is the only way (if that's your belief) then it's easy for man to have that kind of power over you. |
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Post by rational on Aug 7, 2015 7:53:04 GMT -5
\Well Rational, If you're in fear of being kicked out of 'the only way' and don't really understand that it's not 'the only way' and that Jesus is the only way (if that's your belief) then it's easy for man to have that kind of power over you. I understand but when you understand what is being done is wrong why would you continue to believe that person has that sort of power - the power to exclude you from eternal life? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 12:08:41 GMT -5
There will never be peace on this board or on this earth.
Why fight it, just accept it is what it is.
Most workers and friends will go to their grave defending a system that treats others horribly all in the name of a "loving God". How do you think that makes God feel.
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Post by snow on Aug 7, 2015 14:21:31 GMT -5
There will never be peace on this board or on this earth. Why fight it, just accept it is what it is. Most workers and friends will go to their grave defending a system that treats others horribly all in the name of a "loving God". How do you think that makes God feel. I suppose that's true if no one believes it's possible. It's up to humans to believe it's possible and then do something to make it happen. It's really that simple. Everyone taking responsibility for themselves being peaceful and loving. We could change the world in an instant if everyone did this. Just takes a shift in how you think. |
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Post by rational on Aug 7, 2015 15:07:09 GMT -5
There will never be peace on this board or on this earth. Why fight it, just accept it is what it is. I agree. The idea of world peace is a myth. Do you think that some of the biblical examples of god might lead people to act as they do?I am probably the wrong person to answer that! But if actions reflect feelings I am guessing it doesn't make god feel anything. |
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Post by rational on Aug 7, 2015 15:22:22 GMT -5
I suppose that's true if no one believes it's possible. It's up to humans to believe it's possible and then do something to make it happen. It's really that simple. Everyone taking responsibility for themselves being peaceful and loving. We could change the world in an instant if everyone did this. Just takes a shift in how you think. I don't think so. People would have to do with less to provide for others. People do not like doing with less. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 15:22:23 GMT -5
There will never be peace on this board or on this earth. Why fight it, just accept it is what it is. Most workers and friends will go to their grave defending a system that treats others horribly all in the name of a "loving God". How do you think that makes God feel. Marie, I will never accept it. That wall of seperation was put up in the early days of the 2x2's, it has seperated and divided families, including our own. This is wrong, we are all one before God. God does not set up exclusive clubs, human beings do that. We should all be one in the love of God, or whatever you consider that power to be. I have many good sincere 2x2 friends who agree with me. A good place to start ripping that wall down is on TMB. 2x2's, ex's, and others communicate together on this forum. A good place to bring them all together. Sure some will want no part, so be it. But we will continue to reach out, even to our own family members. The Berlin wall came down, this one can to. It won't happen overnight, and it will never happen if people say it can't. We are here to help and support each other, that is what it is about. Let there be peace. |
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Post by fixit on Aug 7, 2015 15:27:05 GMT -5
There will never be peace on this board or on this earth. Why fight it, just accept it is what it is. I agree. The idea of world peace is a myth. The idea of world peace is a myth an ideal. Much progress has been made. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 15:32:25 GMT -5
There is a lot of myth in religion, but it took off. So if you think World peace is only a myth, don't be surprised if it also takes off.
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Post by fixit on Aug 7, 2015 15:34:36 GMT -5
There will never be peace on this board or on this earth. Why fight it, just accept it is what it is. Most workers and friends will go to their grave defending a system that treats others horribly all in the name of a "loving God". How do you think that makes God feel. Marie, I will never accept it. That wall of seperation was put up in the early days of the 2x2's, it has seperated and divided families, including our own. This is wrong, we are all one before God. God does not set up exclusive clubs, human beings do that. We should all be one in the love of God, or whatever you consider that power to be. I have many good sincere 2x2 friends who agree with me. A good place to start ripping that wall down is on TMB. 2x2's, ex's, and others communicate together on this forum. A good place to bring them all together. Sure some will want no part, so be it. But we will continue to reach out, even to our own family members. The Berlin wall came down, this one can to. It won't happen overnight, and it will never happen if people say it can't. We are here to help and support each other, that is what it is about. Let there be peace. This post should be considered for "post of the week". TMB works very well to help us understand other points of view. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 16:02:35 GMT -5
I am sorry if I come on a bit strong regarding peace. Without going into any detail, other than to say I have a dying Brother, with terminal cancer. Certain family members know my identity as Redback. They see me as an enemy of the "Truth". This of course is totally incorrect. They have managed to get my Brother to believe this. It has upset my Brother, and also myself. It is a situation that should not happen.
If any of the people concerned read this, please be kind, and find out some true facts.
I apologize to TMB members for doing this, but hope that some people get the message.
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Post by rational on Aug 7, 2015 16:19:00 GMT -5
There is a lot of myth in religion, but it took off. So if you think World peace is only a myth, don't be surprised if it also takes off. Do you see the irony of a statement like yours being posted on a message board where the majority of the members believe in an exclusive religion that, as its stated belief, condemns about 2/ 3 of the humans alive to eternal damnation? How do you overcome statements like "We believe in the only true god - your god is false" and weave that into world piece? |
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Post by hberry on Aug 7, 2015 16:38:16 GMT -5
I am sorry if I come on a bit strong regarding peace. Without going into any detail, other than to say I have a dying Brother, with terminal cancer. Certain family members know my identity as Redback. They see me as an enemy of the "Truth". This of course is totally incorrect. They have managed to get my Brother to believe this. It has upset my Brother, and also myself. It is a situation that should not happen. If any of the people concerned read this, please be kind, and find out some true facts. I apologize to TMB members for doing this, but hope that some people get the message. I am sorry to hear this, Redback. That's sad and not the least bit helpful to your brother, yourself, or your family members--especially when time is of the essence for your brother. I'm assured that God knows who Redback is even if I don't, so I'll pray for you and your family. Hugs from afar. |
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