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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 8, 2015 2:31:43 GMT -5
Rubbish, Nathan, utter rubbish. You guys and gals have no clues who and what you're dealing with. You see the problems but don't know the ROOTS of the problem Pedophile, CSA, incest, all kinds of sexual perversion have been around for thousands and thousands of years.... It has been passing down many generations within the families. Their great, great grand parents, grand parents, parents to their children, etc.. Then they pass their sexual perversion on to others and on it goes. It has be STOPPED with and by someone in the line. (Genistar sexual abused story in Oregon)
We are dealing with spiritual, demonic wickedness... to suck the life/energy out of the victims and the abusers minds, souls and destroying the bodies slowly.
When I was in the work my co=worker and I met and talked to a high priestess Satanist in 1991. To be a high priestess she had to be the 1st born from the 7th generation. She told us a lot of amazing, incredible stories what they do in their Satanist worship, drugs, animal and human sacrifices, snuff movies where they Videos when they killed/sacrificed humans, raising babies for to carry on the bloodline.
These Satanists followers have infiltrated in many churches/denominations, in schools administration, they are doctors, Judges, lawyers, policemen, they are serving in the military, high ranking government officials, running childcare centers, etc...
After the visit with the high priestess I began to do some research/study on my own and found out she was telling the truth.
~~ Ted Gunderson is former head of the FBI, Los Angles, California. FBI Chief exposes Satanism: Illuminati, One world Government, CIA, Control the Press. MANY interesting U.S. historical events shared.
Retired HEAD OF FBI Tells ALL "Illuminati, Satanism, Pedophile Rings" www.youtube.com/watch?v=BplUD6kQYuU
www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ted+gunderson+cia+and+satanism
~~ Also his assistant Linda Weegan shares her own personal experience with Satanism in her own family. An 8 yrs old boy crucified, all his blood was drained. Satanists Getting high by drinking his blood, sexual perversion. The life is in the blood.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9dxxzy-3A
Satan worship and human sacrificed, drinking blood, sexual orgy and perversion was practiced in the days of Elijah or longer... The life is in the blood. Satan worshipers are still alive and well today. They have passed this sexual perversion with children into our day to day world.
So Nathan what about alcoholic's are they demon possessed too ? Does that then justify them being an alcoholic ? What about mental illness ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 8, 2015 5:12:37 GMT -5
So Nathan what about alcoholic's are they demon possessed too ? Does that then justify them being an alcoholic ? What about mental illness ? Satan, and his demonic army are into everything, music, religion, alcohol/drinking, smoking, CSA, all kinds of sexual perversion to turn people from God. Demon possessed comes in many forms. People have committed these crimes by their own free will, and nobody is holding a gun to their heads. They know what they are doing most of the time.~~ Paul Harvey said "If I were the devil I would do these things " in 1996..... Satan has used most of Paul's suggestions. Over 4 Million Viewers! www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Az0okaHig&feature=youtu.beAre you saying mental illness is caused by people being possessed by demons ?
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2015 12:32:20 GMT -5
You do realize that the film was based on a novel, a work of fiction. And that even though the procedure has taken place many times, sometimes killing the subject, that there is no evidence that there was, or ever has been, a demon. America's most popular true ghost story was a hoax.
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2015 13:35:52 GMT -5
Rational, with you anything to do with God, Super natural events, Satan, fallen angels, demons is a HOAX because you don't believe they exist. Remember, Satan and the fallen angels are one kingdom above the humans. They are much smarter, wiser, more powerful intelligent beings than humans. The Bible says Satan has deceived the whole world... hey! I do not exist. It's your own imagination. Again, NathanB, this has nothing to do with god. It has to do with you making claims of fact for which you can provide no verifiable support other than YouTube videos. They are not true stories but fiction.
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2015 14:07:56 GMT -5
This is a true story! It's non-fiction... from the RCC priests who did the exorcism on a girl, and her family testimonies in Europe The 5th Dimension and the Secret World of Exorcisms - Demonic possession true story from the RCC priests and the Pope John Paul himself. (Listen at 45:00)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJG8FpGiudM
NathanB, do you do any fact checking at all? This is the girl (Anneliese Michel) that died as a result of the exorcism and resulted in the German government getting the RCC to change their stance on the whole procedure and offer psychiatric help as a solution. The parents and the priests were found guilty of manslaughter. It was claimed that her body had not decomposed and they had it dug up. Alas, it had. It is a great example how people of great faith and belief can actually end up killing another with their 'care'. Did you watch the video NathanB? Not really in support of your claim. For those who read (with references) Should we let the reader decide?
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2015 18:29:42 GMT -5
Yes, I read/know they charged the priest with manslaughter of the girl... And the parents. Come on NathanB, they killed the girl. She weighed less than 70 pounds when she died.And your proof regarding this is...?The government and the RCC realized that the methods they were using simply didn't work and that the solutions offered by the medical professionals was a much better solution. Because, as the priest said "There is no shot for the devil", yet the medicine administered does work then there must not be any demon(s). She was diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy and was determined to be depressed. This is not being possessed. And she died because of the ignorance of people who were treating people like they did in the 1400s. Anneliese Michel She was 23 and died because of religious hysteria. And you keep promoting this. Here is a list of many people harmed by exorcisms
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 8, 2015 23:40:23 GMT -5
Yes, sometimes but most of the time they need to take medication to balance out the lacking/unbalance chemical in the brain and body so they can cope with day to day situation. The Exorcist based on a true story www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8gWC51KHEThe Real Amityville Horror - (Paranormal Documentary) www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTspW6MHUJQ Jesus came to cast out these demonic entities out of people like a man possess by "legion" of demons in Luke 8:26-36. These thousands and thousands demonic entities are still on the earth today and they possess/live in people, they wrecked havoc, torture their bodies, minds and souls. This earth is their home for millions and billions of years. God banished/sent Satan, the fallen angels after their rebellion against God in heaven failed. Humans are invading Satan and his demonic army homes!Revelation 12:7-9 And there was war in Heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in Heaven. And the great dragon was cast out — that serpent of old called the Devil and Satan, who deceiveth the whole world. He was cast out onto the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Christians are only pilgrims and strangers in Satan's home/earth... We are seeking for a better country/New heaven and earth who creator is God. God will destroy/burn up Satan's home/earth one of these days and nobody wants to live on the earth during this terrible time.
Sorry Nathan I do not agree, mental illness is an unbalance of chemical in the brain it has nothing to do with people being possessed with demons, we are not still living in the 50's when people were given shock treatment Nathan !
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Post by snow on Apr 9, 2015 0:02:53 GMT -5
Maybe you should listen to the workers in this case and not think that you know better. ~~ We read in the gospels and Acts of the apostles... Jesus and the apostles cast out demons spirits from demon-possessed people. So, why do you think it can't be done today?
We read in the gospels and Acts of the apostles... Jesus and the apostles cast out demons spirits from demon-possessed people. So, why do you think it can't be done today? Should we tell the demon possessed people just to take medication and you'll be alright, demons, evil spirits, Satan are just your own imagination.Yes, sometimes but most of the time they need to take medication to balance out the lacking/unbalance chemical in the brain and body so they can cope with day to day situation. The 5th Dimension and the Secret World of Exorcisms - Demonic possession true stories from the RCC. Here is a true story it takes more than medication to help this demonic possession girl. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJG8FpGiudM Telling them they are possessed by demons is not a wise choice. I often wonder why you even stay a 2x2 when you have such a different set of beliefs and doctrine from them?
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Post by rational on Apr 9, 2015 0:09:35 GMT -5
Sorry Nathan I do not agree, mental illness is an unbalance of chemical in the brain it has nothing to do with people being possessed with demons, we are not still living in the 50's when people were given shock treatment Nathan ! No, we are living today and electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is still a standard psychiatric treatment in cases of psychiatric illnesses. It is usually an informed consent therapy for mania, depressive disorder, as well as others. It is a preferred treatment option for pregnant women who are depressed. There are questions regarding the long term efficacy of ECT. Insulin shock therapy has fallen out of favor since the late 1950s. Still, ECT is not to remove demons! Shaving the pattern of a cross in the head-hair is still the preferred treatment for demons!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 9, 2015 1:04:23 GMT -5
Rational, do they still use ECT ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 9, 2015 1:15:56 GMT -5
Mental Illness is not a result of people being possessed by demons, mental illness is exactly that an illness the same as diabetes or any other illness ! Nathan how much do you really know about mental illness ?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 9, 2015 1:21:27 GMT -5
rational, that precludes the bald who have demons.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 9, 2015 4:17:58 GMT -5
Nathan how much do you know about Mental Illness ? Have you suffered from it yourself ? Also Nathan why do so many workers & friends have mental illness ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 9, 2015 4:21:49 GMT -5
1) Rose T. wrote: Sorry Nathan I do not agree, mental illness is an unbalance of chemical in the brain it has nothing to do with people being possessed with demons, we are not still living in the 50's when people were given shock treatment Nathan ! ~~ NathanB:
Even the Church has come to accept the latest discoveries about sicknesses of the mind, despite the fact that the Catholic Church and science have always been butting heads with each other. Now that mental illnesses have found their place away from the concept of demonic possession, a true study of the warning signs of possession can be compiled. www.paranormalhaze.com/possessed-warning-signs-of-demonic-possession/Demonic Possession Symptoms, Signs, Stories and Facts A complete demonic possession is a state in which one or several demonic spirits have gained access to the body of an individual and then proceeds to takes full control over the person's will. In such a condition, the demonic spirits uses the body of the individual to express its personality and to carry out its evil intent. Demonic Possession is when Satan or a demon enters and takes over the physical and mental capabilities of a victim, however, the soul and will remains free. Satan acts through the victim without the victim's consent, thus the victim is morally blameless. Satan does not act alone when he possesses an individual. He works side by side with many evil spirits such as spirits of lust, hate, destruction, suicide, revenge, anger, anxiety, desperation, death, torment, etc. Such an example is found in Luke 8:30 the case of the possessed man in the territory of the Gerasenes: "Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He replied, "Legion," because many demons had entered him". Descriptions of demonic possessions often include erased memories or personalities, convulsions, "fits" and fainting as if one were dying. Other descriptions include access to hidden knowledge (gnosis) and foreign languages (glossolalia), drastic changes in vocal intonation and facial structure, the sudden appearance of injuries (scratches, bite marks) or lesions, and superhuman strength. Unlike in channeling or other forms of possession, the subject has no control over the possessing entity and so it will persist until forced to leave the victim, usually through a form of exorcism. www.demonic.name/demonic-possession/Again, why do so many workers & friends have mental illness then ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 9, 2015 4:54:41 GMT -5
Nathan how much do you know about Mental Illness? I know Enough.
Have you suffered from it yourself? NO.Also Nathan why do so many workers & friends have mental illness? ~~ I know a few of the friends and workers have bio-polar. Some have mental illness because they tried to be someone who they are NOT. Some don't stay on their medication so they go off their rockers. Well really Nathan you are not in a position to say much, unless you have suffered from mental illness you have no idea what it is like. Do you understand what the medication does to some people & why they don't want to take it ? Also do you understand what its like to live with someone who has Bi-polar ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 9, 2015 4:57:03 GMT -5
Again, why do so many workers & friends have mental illness then ? ~~ Some of the friends and workers are mentally ill because they inherited from their parents bad DNA. I know a few of the friends and workers have bio-polar. Some have mental illness because they tried to be someone who they are NOT. Some don't stay on their medication so they go off their rockers. So are they possessed by demons ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 7:31:31 GMT -5
~~ Some of the friends and workers are mentally ill because they inherited from their parents bad DNA. I know a few of the friends and workers have bio-polar. Some have mental illness because they tried to be someone who they are NOT. Some don't stay on their medication so they go off their rockers. So are they possessed by demons ? That made me smile, growing up as a lad in our district there was a Pentecostal church and they were a very lively lot when they were singing, clapping, dancing and beating the tamorines/cymbals. They very often sang a song: the devil gone mad and I am so glad, glory hal-lee-Lou-ya. I don't know why satan hates me so..........
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Post by rational on Apr 9, 2015 9:19:20 GMT -5
~~ I know a few of the friends and workers have bio-polar. Some have mental illness because they tried to be someone who they are NOT. Are you proposing that mental illness is caused by people acting in a particular way?So you are also saying that mental problems can be controlled by medication?
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Post by rational on Apr 9, 2015 9:33:06 GMT -5
Rational, do they still use ECT ? They do and quite frequently. The administration is very different than it has been shown in various movies ( One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest comes to mind).
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Post by rational on Apr 9, 2015 9:41:35 GMT -5
~~ Some of the friends and workers are mentally ill because they inherited from their parents bad DNA. I know a few of the friends and workers have bio-polar. While it is true that some mental illness is linked to genetic factors (depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, autism,and ADHD to name a few) it is believed that the genetic component accounts for less than 30% of the illness risk. I suppose there is a possibility that demons manipulate the DNA to increase the risk but I would guess that the probability of that, while not zero, is an infinitesimally small number.
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Post by snow on Apr 9, 2015 10:20:53 GMT -5
Nathan, basically you are saying that demons can be controlled by medications. Did you ever stop to think about why that might be? A chemical imbalance in the brain can cause all sorts of delusions, hallucinations and other forms of mental illness including depression. It is not possession. You need to take some classes in clinical neurology and you would have a better understanding of the brain, how it functions and how a chemical imbalance is responsible for the various types of mental illnesses, Alzheimer, dementia etc.
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Post by snow on Apr 9, 2015 12:01:14 GMT -5
Nathan, basically you are saying that demons can be controlled by medications. ~~ No, I did NOT say that. Demonic possessed has to be cast out from a person, taken medication doesn't help. In Luke 9:14-29 And when He had come into the house, His disciples asked Him privately, “Why could not we cast him out?” And He said unto them, “This kind can come forth by nothing but by prayer and fasting.” in the name and the power of Jesus, who is the Almighty God. Did you ever stop to think about why that might be? A chemical imbalance in the brain can cause all sorts of delusions, hallucinations and other forms of mental illness including depression. It is not possession. You need to take some classes in clinical neurology and you would have a better understanding of the brain, how it functions and how a chemical imbalance is responsible for the various types of mental illnesses, Alzheimer, dementia etc. ~~ A person with a chemical imbalance is different from a person with demonic possession. We can treat Chemical imbalance person with medication. The ONLY way to treat a demon possessed person is by exorcism with prayer and fasting as Jesus had taught his disciples.How do you tell the difference between a chemical imbalance and someone who is possessed by a demon?
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Post by rational on Apr 9, 2015 12:54:05 GMT -5
~~ A person with a chemical imbalance is different from a person with demonic possession. We can treat Chemical imbalance person with medication. The ONLY way to treat a demon possessed person is by exorcism with prayer and fasting as Jesus had taught his disciples. Just ask Anneliese Michel. At the end of the exorcism her suffering was over.
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Post by snow on Apr 9, 2015 14:08:44 GMT -5
How do you tell the difference between a chemical imbalance and someone who is possessed by a demon? I was demon possessed when I was a member of the Pentecostal Assembly of God. I had many of the characteristics below, speaking unintelligent languages, convulsions, fits and fainting if one were dying, superhuman strength, I had no control to stop the entity. I went and asked our church pastor to cast out the entity in me out and he couldn't get rid of it. However, after I met the workers that entity left me and the signs haven't returned.
When I was in the work I shared my testimony with a Canadian worker sitting next to me and looked at me like I was crazy! A person can't really understand these things until he/she been through the ringer themselves. Here are signs of demon possessed. Descriptions of demonic possessions often include erased memories or personalities, convulsions, "fits" and fainting as if one were dying. Other descriptions include access to hidden knowledge (gnosis) and foreign languages (glossolalia), drastic changes in vocal intonation and facial structure, the sudden appearance of injuries (scratches, bite marks) or lesions, and superhuman strength. Unlike in channeling or other forms of possession, the subject has no control over the possessing entity and so it will persist until forced to leave the victim, usually through a form of exorcism. www.demonic.name/demonic-possession/Real Exorcisms Of Demons Attacking On Camera performed by RCC priests www.doomsdaytube.com/exorcism-possession-haunting.php#Real-Exorcisms-Of-Demon-Possessed-Caught-On-TapeDid you ever ask a Dr. what might be causing these things?
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Post by rational on Apr 9, 2015 15:13:30 GMT -5
God had mercy on Anneliese's soul and save her from Satan physical, mental abused so He took her to his home. She died from malnutrition/starvation due to the exorcism. The people who manager her care were responsible for her death.
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Post by rational on Apr 9, 2015 17:09:45 GMT -5
No, but I know what the Dr. might say what caused it.... chemical imbalance, so take this, that and this medicine/pills and you will be fine. It that was true Jesus our Lord God would have sent the demon possessed to the doctors in their days for help instead him casting/driving out the demons Himself. Had he been aware of the problem of epilepsy and known of the treatment what do you think he would have done? Let's try a different approach. What is the goal of Satan? If he were to gather all humans to his 'club' the what would be the end game?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 9, 2015 19:41:13 GMT -5
Well really Nathan you are not in a position to say much, unless you have suffered from mental illness you have no idea what it is like. Do you understand what the medication does to some people & why they don't want to take it ? Also do you understand what its like to live with someone who has Bi-polar ? I know what is like to work with a Bi-polar people and dealing with Bi-polar person who is a close relationship of mine. They make my life a living hell so I have a good idea about mental illness.So what you are really saying Nathan is you have no idea ! Unless you have lived with a person that has bi-polar 24/7 you are only guessing ! The same as unless you suffer mental illness yourself you have no idea ! If mental illness is caused by people being possessed with demons, and the Friends & worker Way is the only right way why are there so many F & W with mental illness Nathan ? They should all be cured of their demons.
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Post by rational on Apr 9, 2015 20:26:33 GMT -5
~~ The priest and the family knew it was more than epilepsy! The demons had possessed the girl's body, mind and soul. Taken Medication wouldn't help the girl getting away from demons possession. The medication might ease the girl's some pains. These evil entity twist and turn the victim's body in all kinds of directions and positions. It's too much for the human body to endure the pains and shocks. I was talking about Jesus and what he would have done. NathanB - you can spin it any way you want but demons did not kill the woman. She died from the treatment.
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