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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 20, 2015 1:57:19 GMT -5
Ah, and how do you know when he tells you?
when one has peace about the question which is no longer a question because one has an answer Well, virgo, when I asked the question the answer I got was NOTHING.
Kinda like that old joke, about going to the grandma's grave & asking "Anything you want granny?" and her answer was "Nothing at all"
So I am at peace with the knowledge that had a god existed, he/she would surely have said something besides "Nothing at all"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 3:46:55 GMT -5
"When you find the church/people which follow God's word/will to the letter?" That seems to suggest then that there is only one such church, a church that has one foundation in Jesus Christ, our Lord. But all or most churches make that claim and people being people are not perfect, so do all of them really follow God's will to the letter? As a member of the F&W fellowship, I cannot boldly claim that everyone in the fellowship follows God's word/will to the letter, and since all the people make up "the church" then our fellowship may be falling short also and not perfect in that respect.The church really is the whole body of people collectively making up the church, the shepherds and the sheep. IMO. Recent activities have proven that we are not the perfect church, we have failings just like others and we must work to correct them. you are right a church that has one foundation in Jesus Christ, our Lord it cannot be anything else all my make that claim and if they are in Christ and of Christ their claim would be true don't forget a church is people just like the five wise and five foolish who were together and not doubt having fellowship together nobody suggest that we are perfect in fact that is impossible for to be so Frankly and honestly speaking, I think that any religeous christian organisation should devote more time and energy promoting God's word and messages and the life and teachings of Christ rather than arrogantly boasting about who is right and better and scorning/downgrading others. All that does/achieves is causes resentment and disunity/disunity among people(other flocks) instead of uniting people in Christ. We should concentrate more on Grace and not on works less we should boast;humbleness including humble and gentle language is very important, arrogance and arrogant language should be shunned in spreading the message of Christ and salvation. If we acknowledge that we are not perfect, that is also an acknowledgement that we could be wrong in our approach. The truth will prevail in the end.Well that is my opinion anyway, condemnation of other churches smacks of competition and rivalry among opposing sides.
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Post by bubbles on Feb 20, 2015 6:51:24 GMT -5
Do you think its important to discover his will for your own life individually? i don't think it's a discovery on our part but more a revelation on Gods part, if man tries to discover for himself he will only get his own answers Yes Him revealing it to you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 7:39:30 GMT -5
The spiritual advice was/is seek and Ye shall find/discover. The reality of life is that some folks STUMBLE on to (discover) certain things they were not particularly seeking, such is life.
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Post by rational on Feb 20, 2015 12:14:25 GMT -5
I hear you loud and clear, Ross. Thanks, my brother. I will do my best to inform the friends and workers on the Deity of Christ, Jesus is God the Son, the Second Person of the Triune God. NathanB, You should put together a short (Note the word short) list of the essential facts that you believe the workers should be focusing on and teaching. In addition to the divinity of Jesus you need to bring them up to speed on the forces of evil and the other groups that they should be aware of like the reptilians the various groups of aliens you are aware of. If you do not impart this knowledge who will? So far I have not seen anyone that has your understanding of the various reports. Don't make it too long or people will lose interest without getting to understand the big picture.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 21, 2015 11:45:51 GMT -5
So, can't one call on the name of the Lord in any church and be saved? Or is it exclusively in a particular church, That is the million dollar question. Hi Partaker, I was reading colossians 3 last night and I read this in verses 9-12 it said: Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. And I remembered what you had written So it's more important that we put off out old life of selfwill, and put on the life of Jesus. Loving God first, and ourselves last by fighting the sin in our hearts. Seeing the need and helping others. If we do this, I feel God will look at the heart first and the religion second! I agree with you, it's not religion with God it's the people's hearts :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 12:02:17 GMT -5
So, can't one call on the name of the Lord in any church and be saved? Or is it exclusively in a particular church, That is the million dollar question. Hi Partaker, I was reading colossians 3 last night and I read this in verses 9-12 it said: Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. And I remembered what you had written So it's more important that we put off out old life of selfwill, and put on the life of Jesus. Loving God first, and ourselves last by fighting the sin in our hearts. Seeing the need and helping others. If we do this, I feel God will look at the heart first and the religion second! I agree with you, it's not religion with God it's the people's hearts :-) Yep, I believe that God searches our hearts, not our outward appearances that seem to conform, but do not under close examination.
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Post by rational on Feb 21, 2015 18:46:16 GMT -5
when one has peace about the question which is no longer a question because one has an answer This sounds very odd. If you have a question get to the point where it no longer seems to be a question and then move on. What about an answer to your question?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 19:26:16 GMT -5
when one has peace about the question which is no longer a question because one has an answer This sounds very odd. If you have a question get to the point where it no longer seems to be a question and then move on. What about an answer to your question? what's odd about it?
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Post by rational on Feb 21, 2015 21:03:52 GMT -5
This sounds very odd. If you have a question get to the point where it no longer seems to be a question and then move on. What about an answer to your question? what's odd about it? Your solution to getting the answers to your questions is to get to the point to where you no longer consider the question a question and move on. In essence saying that you should not ask questions. Actually, if you are not ready to hear the answer it might be best to not even bothering to ask the question(s). Just keep your head down and march forward. It has the mentality of Tennyson's poem: Not tho' the soldier knew Someone had blunder'd: Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 21:50:39 GMT -5
Your solution to getting the answers to your questions is to get to the point to where you no longer consider the question a question and move on. In essence saying that you should not ask questions. Actually, if you are not ready to hear the answer it might be best to not even bothering to ask the question(s). Just keep your head down and march forward. It has the mentality of Tennyson's poem: Not tho' the soldier knew Someone had blunder'd: Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why,no it says when one has the answer to the question they are at peace about the question which is no longer
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Post by rational on Feb 21, 2015 23:56:45 GMT -5
Your solution to getting the answers to your questions is to get to the point to where you no longer consider the question a question and move on. In essence saying that you should not ask questions. Actually, if you are not ready to hear the answer it might be best to not even bothering to ask the question(s). Just keep your head down and march forward. It has the mentality of Tennyson's poem: Not tho' the soldier knew Someone had blunder'd: Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why,no it says when one has the answer to the question they are at peace about the question which is no longer I think I see what you mean. I read it as knowing you had the answer when you no longer asked the question. I found the parsing difficult and ended up with a different meaning - sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 3:14:52 GMT -5
no it says when one has the answer to the question they are at peace about the question which is no longer I think I see what you mean. I read it as knowing you had the answer when you no longer asked the question. I found the parsing difficult and ended up with a different meaning - sorry. that's cool
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 22, 2015 20:46:10 GMT -5
So, can't one call on the name of the Lord in any church and be saved? Or is it exclusively in a particular church, That is the million dollar question. but surely you must know? i mean where is the best place for your answer? knowing what God thinks of mans thoughts when you find the church/people which follow Gods word/will to the letter you have the answer to that million dollar question Virgo, are you saying that the F&W follow Gods word to the letter ?? !!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 0:53:56 GMT -5
but surely you must know? i mean where is the best place for your answer? knowing what God thinks of mans thoughts when you find the church/people which follow Gods word/will to the letter you have the answer to that million dollar question Virgo, are you saying that the F&W follow Gods word to the letter ?? !!! how did you get that from what i posted?
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 23, 2015 2:04:39 GMT -5
but surely you must know? i mean where is the best place for your answer? knowing what God thinks of mans thoughts when you find the church/people which follow Gods word/will to the letter you have the answer to that million dollar question "When you find the church/people which follow God's word/will to the letter?" That seems to suggest then that there is only one such church, a church that has one foundation in Jesus Christ, our Lord. But all or most churches make that claim and people being people are not perfect, so do all of them really follow God's will to the letter? As a member of the F&W fellowship, I cannot boldly claim that everyone in the fellowship follows God's word/will to the letter, and since all the people make up "the church" then our fellowship may be falling short also and not perfect in that respect.The church really is the whole body of people collectively making up the church, the shepherds and the sheep. IMO. Recent activities have proven that we are not the perfect church, we have failings just like others and we must work to correct them. I believe Partaker summed it up here !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 4:28:16 GMT -5
"When you find the church/people which follow God's word/will to the letter?" That seems to suggest then that there is only one such church, a church that has one foundation in Jesus Christ, our Lord. But all or most churches make that claim and people being people are not perfect, so do all of them really follow God's will to the letter? As a member of the F&W fellowship, I cannot boldly claim that everyone in the fellowship follows God's word/will to the letter, and since all the people make up "the church" then our fellowship may be falling short also and not perfect in that respect.The church really is the whole body of people collectively making up the church, the shepherds and the sheep. IMO. Recent activities have proven that we are not the perfect church, we have failings just like others and we must work to correct them. I believe Partaker summed it up here ! Thank you RT, God loves the truth and that is my honest opinion.
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