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Post by Dan on Jul 11, 2024 1:32:12 GMT -5
Paul got a lot more done than any other apostle, he was more mobile & less cumbersome. When ship wrecked, he didn't need to worry about a wife and kids, when imprisoned his wife would have been on her own, etc. When Peter went to jail, who took care of his wife, what happened to her after Peter was killed? Paul didn't have it easier, he was just more efficient and less distracted by not having the responsibility of a family. Most of the apostles didn't write any epistles, probably too busy playing with their kids or servicing their wives. Paul didn't burn with passion or fleshly lust, spiritual passion dominated his time and energy. That made him more productive and a useful vessel for God.
www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350340094/church-believed-girl-would-rise-diabetes-death-court-hearsHere's another case of religious idiots causing the death of an innocent child. You have a lot to be proud of Dan. Not.
Why associate me with religious zealots? I certainly don't approve of religious nuts who are biblically illiterate. You don't test or tempt God, withholding that poor girls insulin was really a case of trying to force God to prove himself. I'm not proud of any fool who does that.
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Post by Dan on Jul 11, 2024 2:09:03 GMT -5
Logically, any itinerant preacher traveling from place to place and house to house couldn't very well drag a spouse along. Even if a married couple both preached, any children would need a permanent place to attend school and all. So the practicality of being single with no distractions would make sense. Considering all the hardships that Paul experienced, its no wonder he said that it was better to remain single.
How does that fit with Luke 10:7? Remain in the same house, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the laborer deserves to be paid. Do not move about from house to house.
To me, it just means to stay where your received. No need to feel like a burden or the need to flee to another home. Its doesn't imply a fixed stationary residence, just that laborers can be content to reside and have continued fellowship where they're welcomed. Matthew 10:14 says, "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home" So shake the dust of the home or city where your not accepted, but dwell with those who accept the gospel.
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Post by Dan on Jul 11, 2024 2:14:58 GMT -5
Why associate me with religious zealots? I certainly don't approve of religious nuts who are biblically illiterate. You don't test or tempt God, withholding that poor girls insulin was really a case of trying to force God to prove himself. I'm not proud of any fool who does that.
A number of cases of mass killings of people, apparently at God’s behest, are recorded in the Old Testament: 1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8) 2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19) 3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12) 4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21) 5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15) These killings are all recorded in the buybull and are suppsoedly at the order of god. In reality, the belief that god ordered any killings is a weak attempt to cover the murderous intent of a small tribe of people with a major personality disorder. It continues today in one form or another and every person who says they are a christian is in tacit agreement with these killings
I agree with those killings, my only sympathy goes to the animals in the flood, they were innocent victims of mankind. God kills everyone, but some are so bad that they qualify for an early withdraw.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 11, 2024 2:23:31 GMT -5
A number of cases of mass killings of people, apparently at God’s behest, are recorded in the Old Testament: 1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8) 2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19) 3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12) 4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21) 5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15) These killings are all recorded in the buybull and are suppsoedly at the order of god. In reality, the belief that god ordered any killings is a weak attempt to cover the murderous intent of a small tribe of people with a major personality disorder. It continues today in one form or another and every person who says they are a christian is in tacit agreement with these killings
I agree with those killings, my only sympathy goes to the animals in the flood, they were innocent victims of mankind. God kills everyone, but some are so bad that they qualify for an early withdraw.
Spoken like a true killerforchrist.
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Post by fixit on Jul 11, 2024 5:02:50 GMT -5
Where did you get the idea that I was ashamed of a church? Then tell us, which church did they hear the gospel from? Which church did Abraham hear the gospel from? Galatians 3:6 Just as Abraham “believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” 7 so, you see, those who believe are the descendants of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would reckon as righteous the gentiles by faith, declared the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the gentiles shall be blessed in you.” 9 For this reason, those who believe are blessed with Abraham who believed.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 11, 2024 9:28:44 GMT -5
Then tell us, which church did they hear the gospel from? Which church did Abraham hear the gospel from? Galatians 3:6 Just as Abraham “believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” 7 so, you see, those who believe are the descendants of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would reckon as righteous the gentiles by faith, declared the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the gentiles shall be blessed in you.” 9 For this reason, those who believe are blessed with Abraham who believed. In Galatians Paul explained before Christ came the Old Test. were guide by the Laws of Moses, and during Abraham time was by Faith. Now, Jesus has come we are no longer guided by Moses Old Test. laws, that was a temporary covenant with the Children only! As Christians we are under the covenant of Christ’s New Testament teachings. We just leave the Christians who never heard or met Jesus 2x2x2 in God’s hands because He knows the condition of their hearts if they had met his true apostles, they would receive them or NOT. God is a just and fair judge! In the day of judgment.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 11, 2024 9:42:27 GMT -5
How does that fit with Luke 10:7? Remain in the same house, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the laborer deserves to be paid. Do not move about from house to house.
To me, it just means to stay where you’re received. No need to feel like a burden or the need to flee to another home. It’s doesn't imply a fixed stationary residence, just that laborers can be content to reside and have continued fellowship where they're welcomed.
Matthew 10:14 says, "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home" So shake the dust of the home or city where your not accepted, but dwell with those who accept the gospel.
Here is my understanding on Luke 10:7 and Matthew 10:4 if a person know and understand the cultures in Jesus days then it will make a lot of sense why he taught them NOT going from house to house at the time! We read the gospel and in the book of Acts Jesus and the apostles move or stay in different homes of their followers. Jesus sent the 12 and 70 apostles on their first and brief mission , proclaiming the Promised Messiah has come to the Jews! First. God sent the apostles Peter, Paul and Barnabas to the Gentiles later in Acts 10-11. When the 12 and 70 apostles went to the Jews villages, the people would welcome and give the visitors a place for the night, food to eat, then move to the next home that would consume a lot of time! Jesus told them to stay one home and relay the message to the villagers then move on to the next town. Time was essential for their brief mission. We read the apostles Paul and his Co-workers stayed and move from homes to homes during his 3 long missions in the book of Acts.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 11, 2024 11:48:33 GMT -5
A number of cases of mass killings of people, apparently at God’s behest, are recorded in the Old Testament: 1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8) 2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19) 3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12) 4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21) 5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15) These killings are all recorded in the buybull and are suppsoedly at the order of god. In reality, the belief that god ordered any killings is a weak attempt to cover the murderous intent of a small tribe of people with a major personality disorder. It continues today in one form or another and every person who says they are a christian is in tacit agreement with these killings
I agree with those killings, my only sympathy goes to the animals in the flood, they were innocent victims of mankind. God kills everyone, but some are so bad that they qualify for an early withdraw.
God has very good reasons to command a world wide flood to kill ALL the Nephilim evil giants, who tried to exterminate mankind so, the Messiah/Jesus wouldn’t be begotten to save them from the Second Death/Eternal separation from God’s presence forever. According to the book of Enoch, the blood of the humans and animals cried out unto God for justice from the evil giants Nephilim! Hod heard their cried and sent the flood to Kill them all and cleanse the earth. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were wicked in the eyes of God, the men tried to have sex with 2 humans looking Venusian angels. They robbed and mistreated the visitors, they did all kinds of evil deeds. God sent fire from heaven to destroy them to make as example NOT to be evil. God had told the children of Israel to exterminate the Cannanites and Amelikites from the face of the earth because of their evil deeds. God is fair and righteous, he doesn’t enjoy killing because He is the God of love and compassionate. If God wanted certain group of people to be wiped off the earth because they have caused harm and destruction to others.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 11, 2024 13:54:04 GMT -5
Jude the apostle quoted from the book of Enoch! read the book of Jude 14-15. So, it seemed the Jews in those days read and believed in the book of Enoch were from God.
Enoch is mentioned in the book of Hebrews Enoch walked with God and one day he took him. I posted the book of Enoch on line for the readers to read.
Read Enoch chapter 1-8 where Michael, Gabriel and many angels appeared before God and told Him how evil the giants Nephilim destroying the animals and the humans for FOODS! on the earth. God told Enoch to tell Noah to prepare the Ark because He will flood the whole earth with water to kill all the Nephilim living around the world.
Just Google the book of Enoch on line so, you can read it for yourself.
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Post by snow on Jul 11, 2024 13:59:22 GMT -5
I agree with those killings, my only sympathy goes to the animals in the flood, they were innocent victims of mankind. God kills everyone, but some are so bad that they qualify for an early withdraw.
Spoken like a true killerforchrist. Killerforchrist. That pretty much defines evangelical Christianity today. They are pro life unless someone disagrees with them. They claim their God is 'pro-life'. What a joke that is. Warriors for Christ is a movement that started about 20 years ago and it's the most dangerous sect of Christianity there is. They figure it's alright to dictate what everyone else has to live by. They cry and complain that they are being silenced, and they are the loudest group out there. They are dangerous to society. There is a reason why church and state need to be separate. The irony is that the whole reason why people came to the Americas was to get away from a state that was based on a certain type of religion. Christianity that was not in line with their interpretation of Christianity. They were persecuted for that different interpretation in their homelands so came to the New Land to get away from that and now they think it's okay to turn the 'New Land' into exactly what their forefathers fled from. Project 2025 is the outcome and trust me, if they do even half of what they want to with Project 2025 evangelicals are going to be wishing that they had never supported it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 11, 2024 21:13:19 GMT -5
In that case shouldn't Paul have had it easier than some of the others? Paul got a lot more done than any other apostle, he was more mobile & less cumbersome. When ship wrecked, he didn't need to worry about a wife and kids, when imprisoned his wife would have been on her own, etc. When Peter went to jail, who took care of his wife, what happened to her after Peter was killed? Paul didn't have it easier, he was just more efficient and less distracted by not having the responsibility of a family. Most of the apostles didn't write any epistles, probably too busy playing with their kids or servicing their wives. Paul didn't burn with passion or fleshly lust, spiritual passion dominated his time and energy. That made him more productive and a useful vessel for God.
Would have, could have, but didn't? But of he wasn't alone. He claims to have worked with a married couple.
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Post by Dan on Jul 11, 2024 22:41:15 GMT -5
I agree with those killings, my only sympathy goes to the animals in the flood, they were innocent victims of mankind. God kills everyone, but some are so bad that they qualify for an early withdraw.
Spoken like a true killerforchrist.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know Christ.. Who did Christ kill? Who did Jesus command us to kill? Does someone who encouraged us to "Love your enemies" sound like a killer to you?
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Post by fixit on Jul 11, 2024 23:20:46 GMT -5
Spoken like a true killerforchrist. Spoken like someone who doesn't know Christ.. Who did Christ kill? Who did Jesus command us to kill? Does someone who encouraged us to "Love your enemies" sound like a killer to you?
Curly is right though - a lot of atrocities have resulted from misplaced Christian zeal.
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Post by nathan2 on Jul 12, 2024 0:06:27 GMT -5
Spoken like someone who doesn't know Christ.. Who did Christ kill? Who did Jesus command us to kill? Does someone who encouraged us to "Love your enemies" sound like a killer to you?
Curly is right though - a lot of atrocities have resulted from misplaced Christian zeal. Are you sure these so-called Christians zealot were children of God and NOT of Satan’s henchmen to do his dirty/killing work/deeds so, people blame God for the atrocities. Do you read of any 1st century Christian kill anyone for whatever reason? Can you name one incident.
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