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Post by fixit on Mar 27, 2014 15:09:46 GMT -5
I agree that shadowy isn't the perfect word. Shadowy implies that an offender is hiding in the shadows waiting to jump out and harm someone. F&Ws may well be hiding their religion in the shadows and may well be looking for the perfect opportunity to spring it on someone, but the intention to hurt, harm or damage is not there. They think they are doing the right thing and they all believe that if someone comes into the group its the best thing possible for that person. Indeed, the fellowship is not a shadowy danger to the world. But within the fellowship, there is a shadowy danger to the members themselves, hiding in the secrecy and lack of transparency. Who makes decisions? Based on what principles? With whose interests in mind? Most friends and lower-ranking workers are left in the dark as to what happens at the higher levels of the ministry. I have the impression that most don't even want to know as curiosity about it would signify a lack of trust in overseers, and they may even realize that it is best not to know as the knowledge would shake their faith in the ministry. It is "safer" to not know. ...when we asked: who is responsible that such and such was allowed to remain in the work? who made that decision?, we did not receive an answer. ...who made the decision that such and such would be sent to our home in spite of known allegations? no answer. ...how can we know that it will not happen again? no answer. ...workers we've talked to and some friends tell us that BB is at the head of the work in the eastern US; an overseer tells us he is not. Why then do all these people think that BB is at the head of the work?? Or, if he is, why is it officially negated? ...there seems to be a group of "equals" who make decisions at the highest level of the ministry. Who they are and how they to came to belong to this group of "equals" is a mystery. We asked who they are, but did not receive an answer. The following comes to mind as the background for our unanswered questions: An overseer spoke at the last convention: "People don't know what we (the ministry) have been entrusted with... We need to love and respect the workers..." Another overseer said at the end of the convention, that "you have not just heard the workers speaking, but you have heard the voice of God here." From this it seems clear that they are above the need to be transparent or accountable . At the same convention, a sister worker said in a raised voice, as if irritated by suggestions that it is not so: "This is NOT just another sect!!!" Who would dare suggest that there may be problems that need to be addressed in this group of people (remember, it is NOT an organization!) that is NOT just another church on the block, and whose ministers have been entrusted with something that cannot be named, and whose ministers are the mouthpiece of God? It seems consistent that the first-mentioned overseer at this convention also said that: "some would give us lists and instructions, but it is all worthless." Final words of our overseer regarding the issues that concern us (CSA and immorality in the ministry) were: "In dealing with the souls of men and their destiny it seems awkward to us to use formalities normally present in associations with men." This is not all he said, and I apologize for taking them out of context of everything else that was said. But, I believe they do reflect the prevailing sentiment among overseers: the fellowship is so above what is of the world that there is a danger that things like CSA guidelines and transparency would bring it down to the level of worldly organizations. (Of course, they would also make decision makers suspect to being held accountable for their decisions.) Therefore, decision-making processes and players remain in the shadows. Overseers have created a secure kingdom for themselves - a kingdom whose inhabitants are generally willing and eager to follow and obey without asking questions. Indeed, the prevailing thought in the fellowship is that the dangers don't come from the secrecy at the highest levels of the ministry, but from questioning and not putting one's full trust in the ministry and its decisions. I too would like to give Maja's post more than a "like". I'd like to nominate it for post of the week! The church becomes more "shadowy" the higher up the hierarchy we look. Its an ascending order of unaccountability. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 14:28:04 GMT -5
Clearday wrote......The article will prevent some people from going to gospel meetings in the first place so might fit his objective.
I think that the press hardly need to write articles to achieve this objective. Outsiders coming to the meetings in NZ in the last decade or so are as numerous as hairs on the palm of my hand. Even the children of professing people are opting out. I would like to know at what rate but it must be considerable based on what I see around me. The senior workers themselves and their sycophants are the authors of their own misfortune. Once the young ones leave, the old ones die, what are the workers going to do then for a bed and breakfast?
Crime in any section of society needs to be dealt with by the appropriate authorities. To not do so makes those that are playing smoke and mirrors as bad as the criminals themselves and this has now been recognised by various governments. Perverting the course of Justice in NZ gets imprisonment up to 7 years. Also when travelling overseas, (reading workers take note) your visa will not be granted. It would be interesting to see whether that overseer in USA who was convicted of not reporting CSA would be granted a visa to NZ. My hope would be that he would not. We have enough criminals of our own without immigration letting more in.
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Post by magpie on Mar 30, 2014 16:40:00 GMT -5
WAKE UP!!!!!!! PLEASE,CHANDLER WAS A 20 + ADULT? THE LITTLE CHILDREN INCLUDED TWO SWEET LITTLE UNDER TWELVES? HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE HIS OWN CHILDREN,VOTE AND CONTROL HIS OWN BUSINESS? WHY ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO GLOSS OVER THIS UNSTABLE PEDOPHILE ACT. LIKE THE CHRIS JOHNSTON MEDIA ARTICLES,YOU SHOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE 80% ACCURACIES THAN THE BIT OF IN ACCURACY. SO GET STUCK INTO THE REAL CRIMES AND HORRORS HE PUT THOSE INNOCENT KIDS THROUGH. 2x2s ALWAYS LOOK AT THE SPLINTER TO STOP OTHERS LOOK AT THE BEAM IN THREIR OWN EYES?
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Post by fixit on Mar 30, 2014 16:57:54 GMT -5
WAKE UP!!!!!!! PLEASE,CHANDLER WAS A 20 + ADULT? THE LITTLE CHILDREN INCLUDED TWO SWEET LITTLE UNDER TWELVES? HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE HIS OWN CHILDREN,VOTE AND CONTROL HIS OWN BUSINESS? WHY ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO GLOSS OVER THIS UNSTABLE PEDOPHILE ACT. LIKE THE CHRIS JOHNSTON MEDIA ARTICLES,YOU SHOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE 80% ACCURACIES THAN THE BIT OF IN ACCURACY. SO GET STUCK INTO THE REAL CRIMES AND HORRORS HE PUT THOSE INNOCENT KIDS THROUGH. 2x2s ALWAYS LOOK AT THE SPLINTER TO STOP OTHERS LOOK AT THE BEAM IN THREIR OWN EYES? Its a concern that a man who had sexually abused children in his twenties was sent by the ministry to live in children's homes. Not only in the states of Victoria and Tasmania, but also in East Africa and South America. What we don't know yet is whether he was moved from East Africa to South America because of misconduct. What we do know is that the Victoria and Tasmania overseer David Leitch does his own investigations into alleged child sexual abuse and reaches his own conclusions: |
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Post by fixit on Mar 30, 2014 19:26:32 GMT -5
Given the workers' long history of bringing friends into line over TV, going to movies etc you would think that would issue public apologies and come down like a ton of bricks on CSA - a heinous and vile crime - in the ministry. Interestingly the workers say that its inappropriate to speak about CSA in meetings, yet in the past they freely spoke about the lengths of women's skirts, how wrong it is for men to wear shorts, the evils of TV and even internet. They broke off car aerials and "volunteered" to take radios out of cars. Yet they're dragging their feel over CSA, something that is far more damaging. |
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Post by rational on Mar 31, 2014 9:44:28 GMT -5
WAKE UP!!!!!!! PLEASE,CHANDLER WAS A 20 + ADULT? THE LITTLE CHILDREN INCLUDED TWO SWEET LITTLE UNDER TWELVES? HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE HIS OWN CHILDREN,VOTE AND CONTROL HIS OWN BUSINESS? WHY ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO GLOSS OVER THIS UNSTABLE PEDOPHILE ACT. LIKE THE CHRIS JOHNSTON MEDIA ARTICLES,YOU SHOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE 80% ACCURACIES THAN THE BIT OF IN ACCURACY. SO GET STUCK INTO THE REAL CRIMES AND HORRORS HE PUT THOSE INNOCENT KIDS THROUGH. 2x2s ALWAYS LOOK AT THE SPLINTER TO STOP OTHERS LOOK AT THE BEAM IN THREIR OWN EYES? Is there any evidence CC was pedophile? |
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Post by fixit on Mar 31, 2014 16:35:28 GMT -5
WAKE UP!!!!!!! PLEASE,CHANDLER WAS A 20 + ADULT? THE LITTLE CHILDREN INCLUDED TWO SWEET LITTLE UNDER TWELVES? HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE HIS OWN CHILDREN,VOTE AND CONTROL HIS OWN BUSINESS? WHY ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO GLOSS OVER THIS UNSTABLE PEDOPHILE ACT. LIKE THE CHRIS JOHNSTON MEDIA ARTICLES,YOU SHOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE 80% ACCURACIES THAN THE BIT OF IN ACCURACY. SO GET STUCK INTO THE REAL CRIMES AND HORRORS HE PUT THOSE INNOCENT KIDS THROUGH. 2x2s ALWAYS LOOK AT THE SPLINTER TO STOP OTHERS LOOK AT THE BEAM IN THREIR OWN EYES? Is there any evidence CC was pedophile? I'm not sure if he's been diagnosed as "pedophile" but as a man in his twenties he sexually abused kids under twelve. |
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Post by rational on Mar 31, 2014 16:52:46 GMT -5
Is there any evidence CC was pedophile? I'm not sure if he's been diagnosed as "pedophile" but as a man in his twenties he sexually abused kids under twelve. That would make him a sexual offender. If there is a need to apply labels make certain they make sense. From what has been posted the term hebephile seems to be appropriate. |
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Post by fixit on Mar 31, 2014 18:00:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure if he's been diagnosed as "pedophile" but as a man in his twenties he sexually abused kids under twelve. That would make him a sexual offender. If there is a need to apply labels make certain they make sense. From what has been posted the term hebephile seems to be appropriate. I wouldn't apply the label hebephile. He may be a pedophile but its not for me to apply a label: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 31, 2014 18:00:33 GMT -5
I agree that shadowy isn't the perfect word. Shadowy implies that an offender is hiding in the shadows waiting to jump out and harm someone. F&Ws may well be hiding their religion in the shadows and may well be looking for the perfect opportunity to spring it on someone, but the intention to hurt, harm or damage is not there. They think they are doing the right thing and they all believe that if someone comes into the group its the best thing possible for that person. Indeed, the fellowship is not a shadowy danger to the world. But within the fellowship, there is a shadowy danger to the members themselves, hiding in the secrecy and lack of transparency. Who makes decisions? Based on what principles? With whose interests in mind? Most friends and lower-ranking workers are left in the dark as to what happens at the higher levels of the ministry. I have the impression that most don't even want to know as curiosity about it would signify a lack of trust in overseers, and they may even realize that it is best not to know as the knowledge would shake their faith in the ministry. It is "safer" to not know. ...when we asked: who is responsible that such and such was allowed to remain in the work? who made that decision?, we did not receive an answer. ...who made the decision that such and such would be sent to our home in spite of known allegations? no answer. ...how can we know that it will not happen again? no answer. ...workers we've talked to and some friends tell us that BB is at the head of the work in the eastern US; an overseer tells us he is not. Why then do all these people think that BB is at the head of the work?? Or, if he is, why is it officially negated? ...there seems to be a group of "equals" who make decisions at the highest level of the ministry. Who they are and how they to came to belong to this group of "equals" is a mystery. We asked who they are, but did not receive an answer. The following comes to mind as the background for our unanswered questions: An overseer spoke at the last convention: "People don't know what we (the ministry) have been entrusted with... We need to love and respect the workers..." Another overseer said at the end of the convention, that "you have not just heard the workers speaking, but you have heard the voice of God here." From this it seems clear that they are above the need to be transparent or accountable . At the same convention, a sister worker said in a raised voice, as if irritated by suggestions that it is not so: "This is NOT just another sect!!!" Who would dare suggest that there may be problems that need to be addressed in this group of people (remember, it is NOT an organization!) that is NOT just another church on the block, and whose ministers have been entrusted with something that cannot be named, and whose ministers are the mouthpiece of God? It seems consistent that the first-mentioned overseer at this convention also said that: "some would give us lists and instructions, but it is all worthless." Final words of our overseer regarding the issues that concern us (CSA and immorality in the ministry) were: "In dealing with the souls of men and their destiny it seems awkward to us to use formalities normally present in associations with men." This is not all he said, and I apologize for taking them out of context of everything else that was said. But, I believe they do reflect the prevailing sentiment among overseers: the fellowship is so above what is of the world that there is a danger that things like CSA guidelines and transparency would bring it down to the level of worldly organizations. (Of course, they would also make decision makers suspect to being held accountable for their decisions.) Therefore, decision-making processes and players remain in the shadows. Overseers have created a secure kingdom for themselves - a kingdom whose inhabitants are generally willing and eager to follow and obey without asking questions. Indeed, the prevailing thought in the fellowship is that the dangers don't come from the secrecy at the highest levels of the ministry, but from questioning and not putting one's full trust in the ministry and its decisions. I think that the workers deliberately(most of the time) put the scripture out of their minds that Jesus spoke about this working in the dark or walking in the dark. John 3:10 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 1John 1: 5This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.… It makes me really wonder just how much of the Christ-likeness dwells in the ruling workers because if they were operating, deciding, working, walking IN all honesty they would NOT be afraid for the whole world to know what they are doing, etc Transparency was what Jesus was all about, but he did say that there would be those who that were seeing would be made blind, and those who were hearing would be made deaf. IS THIS what all of this secretive worker actions nefarious-looking? Yes, we were always allowing the workers the "room" to make secret decisions that were NONE OF our business many years ago.....well, when we look at the beginning workers there wasn't much secret business to go on.....and I think that this is what came about of the lawsuits in the Old Country against the workers, particularly WI.....they just decided that whatever they decided they wanted to do was to be accepted by those under their rule and those such people are NOT to ask questions.....we used to get the routine answer that things had been left in God's hand, well that made for another lie, didn't it? Not when the ruling workers had already made the decisions, etc but just didn't think it was anybody's business! Again, the overseer who told me "You shall know them by their fruits...." You ARE so correct, overseer! |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Mar 31, 2014 18:08:33 GMT -5
WAKE UP!!!!!!! PLEASE,CHANDLER WAS A 20 + ADULT? THE LITTLE CHILDREN INCLUDED TWO SWEET LITTLE UNDER TWELVES? HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE HIS OWN CHILDREN,VOTE AND CONTROL HIS OWN BUSINESS? WHY ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO GLOSS OVER THIS UNSTABLE PEDOPHILE ACT. LIKE THE CHRIS JOHNSTON MEDIA ARTICLES,YOU SHOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN THE 80% ACCURACIES THAN THE BIT OF IN ACCURACY. SO GET STUCK INTO THE REAL CRIMES AND HORRORS HE PUT THOSE INNOCENT KIDS THROUGH. 2x2s ALWAYS LOOK AT THE SPLINTER TO STOP OTHERS LOOK AT THE BEAM IN THREIR OWN EYES? Well said - the words "gloss over" are really appropriate. Friends en-masse should be saying to David Leitch and others in authority "enough is enough - get your act together. If you don't at least demonstrate that you are serious about it by putting in place some detailed checks and balances and training for your ministers then you are showing that you really don't care about the children". Given the workers' long history of bringing friends into line over TV, going to movies etc you would think that they would issue public apologies and come down like a ton of bricks on CSA - a heinous and vile crime - in the ministry. The only conclusion I have come to is that it simply reflects that their hearts and minds are not being controlled by God. Again, the overseer who said to me "You shall know them by their fruits....." I'm shocked that he dared say that considering things.....it really caused me to look at them much more effectively and certainly! And no, I still don't like their "fruits". |
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Post by rational on Mar 31, 2014 19:17:26 GMT -5
That would make him a sexual offender. If there is a need to apply labels make certain they make sense. From what has been posted the term hebephile seems to be appropriate. I wouldn't apply the label hebephile. He may be a pedophile but its not for me to apply a label: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PedophiliaFrom what was posted, a determination would be difficult, if not impossible without evaluation. |
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Post by rue on Apr 2, 2014 16:46:54 GMT -5
The church leadership in Southern Brazil and Uruguay has gone out of its way to ensure that friends there remain ignorant of what's going on with Chris (only those few with limited command of English have managed to find out via the internet!!!). According to reliable source, there has been at least two "curious" incidents involving Chris and two minors there, but they have been dismissed by the church leadership without proper professional guidance or advice of any kind.
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Post by fixit on Apr 2, 2014 19:13:31 GMT -5
The church leadership in Southern Brazil and Uruguay has gone out of its way to ensure that friends there remain ignorant of what's going on with Chris (only those few with limited command of English have managed to find out via the internet!!!). According to reliable source, there has been at least two "curious" incidents involving Chris and two minors there, but they have been dismissed by the church leadership without proper professional guidance or advice of any kind. What about on the South American TMB board? Is there still a Spanish language board? |
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Post by What Hat on Apr 3, 2014 10:05:57 GMT -5
It partly depends on whether or not the offender is a pedophile or not. Some offenders are "opportunistic" offenders who are not attracted to children in particular. This is pretty common with offenders of post-pubescent minors. For them, it's a matter of recognizing boundaries rather than needing a "cure". For the true pedophiles, one particular pedophile offender I know was offered "chemical castration" as terms of parole. He refused and they retained him in prison for 20 years or so. Still, that's not a cure, it's a treatment. As far as I know, only treatments are available, including counselling, but no cure. For someone like CC, there is a decent chance he is not a pedophile but there is no sure way of knowing, hence the need to limit access to children. Good point -- CSA does not necessarily a pedophile make. CSA is a legal issue; pedophilia is a medical/psychological issue. Consider the 19 year-old female who hooks up with a 17 year-old male. She could be convicted of CSA, but pose no risk to any child from that point on. Hypothetically speaking. Most jurisdictions consider age difference in statutes concerning statutory rape. The law recognizes that two 14 year olds copulating is not the same as a 40 year old man sexually assaulting a 14 year old girl. However, I think there actually is a case where a 19 year old girl went to reformatory for having sex with someone just under 18. Racial discrimination played a role in the outcome of the case, if I remember. |
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Post by What Hat on Apr 3, 2014 10:08:45 GMT -5
Depends. If he killed someone because he didn't like when they made the place smell like stew - 30 years ago.... yes All levity aside, you make the right point. Attendees are risk-assessed. If there is reason to believe that a person's risk profile for danger is sufficiently elevated, you ban them or take other action such as an assigned monitor which is already in practice at convention in a few cases. Doing anything less would be irresponsible. The situation has come up within the various church communities in our area. Once the debt to society has been paid, the offender is assimilated back into the church community with strict proviso's. One that I know of can attend in the sanctuary with a monitor, and most other areas in the church buildings are off limits to that person. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 11:30:28 GMT -5
All levity aside, you make the right point. Attendees are risk-assessed. If there is reason to believe that a person's risk profile for danger is sufficiently elevated, you ban them or take other action such as an assigned monitor which is already in practice at convention in a few cases. Doing anything less would be irresponsible. The situation has come up within the various church communities in our area. Once the debt to society has been paid, the offender is assimilated back into the church community with strict proviso's. One that I know of can attend in the sanctuary with a monitor, and most other areas in the church buildings are off limits to that person. Perfectly logical and commonsensical. |
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Post by fred on Apr 3, 2014 17:16:09 GMT -5
The situation has come up within the various church communities in our area. Once the debt to society has been paid, the offender is assimilated back into the church community with strict proviso's. One that I know of can attend in the sanctuary with a monitor, and most other areas in the church buildings are off limits to that person. Perfectly logical and commonsensical. I am aware of a case where this guy staged a robbery at the Returned Services club where he worked, even to the extent of having a bullet wound to the leg. He eventually became a pastor and has become a well respected member of the community. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 18:31:15 GMT -5
Perfectly logical and commonsensical. I am aware of a case where this guy staged a robbery at the Returned Services club where he worked, even to the extent of having a bullet wound to the leg. He eventually became a pastor and has become a well respected member of the community. Perfectly logical and commonsensical too. Robbers rarely have a lifelong constant urge to rob places so their prognosis can be very good. It's all about risk assessment. |
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Post by magpie on Apr 3, 2014 22:45:02 GMT -5
YOU FALSE PROTECTORS, YOU MAKE IT WORSE. YES HOW HUMOUROUS_ NO NOT REALLY THIS IS SERIOUS.IF YOU THINK YOU ARE PROTECTING CHRIS AND MINISTRY OF 2x2s REPUTATION YOU ARE IN REVERSE? WHY? IF HE IS NOT A "PAEDOPHILE","YOUR TRYING TO RELATE TO US" HE CANNOT USE THAT ,IN DEFENCE, AS A MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER HE HAS or HAD NO CONTROL OVER? "GOOD". HE THEN,A NORMAL MATURE ADULT(MANY APPEAR TO BE SAYING) TO DESTROY LITTLE CHILDRENS LIVES FOR SOME ANAMALISTIC SELF SEXUAL GRATIFACTION AND CRUEL ENOUGH TO PRETEND HE IS ONE OF NORMALITY SO THE LITTLE CHILDREN CAN CARRY AND SUFFER A CRUEL LIFETIME BURDEN? AS WITH ERNIE BARRY,JACK TRIGG AND "MANY,"YES MANY, MORE MEN AND WOMEN IN THAT PSUEDO GODS WAY,WITH A HISTORY OF HOMOSEXUALLITY,LESBIANISM,ADULTRY AND CRIMINAL CHILD SEX ABUSE,CAUSING MENTAL TRAUMA,BREAKDOWNS AND SUICIDES--AMONGST VICTIMS AND FAMILIES. AND REMEMBER THOSE WHO MENTION OR COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM OR ANOTHER,CAN BE PUT OUT OF FELLOWSHIP,AS TROUBLE MAKERS OR AN UNWILLING. IN OTHERWORDS IN KEEPING WITH THE WILLIAM IRVINE THEOLOGY YOU WILL GO TO "HELL".
SO IF YOU THINK YOU ARE HELPING DONT SHUT UP (IT HELPS US),THE REAL TRUTH MAY ACTUALLY MAY BE REVEALED,AT LAST,WE EX "VICTIMS" LOVE TO SEE YOU TRIP OVER YOURSELVES TRYING TO AVOID WHAT GOD WOULD WANT? SUFFER LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME? SO TO CRIMINALLY ASSAULT,RAPE,MOLEST ONE OF HIS LITTLE CHILDREN BECAUSE "SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN",SO YOU HAVE DONE IT ALSO TO "GODS HEAVEN?" YET STILL SUPPORTING CSA PERPETRATORS? AS YOUR $$$ ALSO $$$ SUPPORTED ERNIE BARRY? HIRING AN EXPENSIVE CRIMINAL FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST WHO SEVERAL OF OUR UNDERWORLD FIGURES USE,d AND BRIBE LOCAL JOURNALISTS TO GO EASY ON REPORTING TO HAVE HIS JAIL SENTENCE SUSPENDED. AT WHAT POINT DID YOU DISREGARD BARRY'S VICTIMS TO ALLOW THIS. WE VICTIMS ESPECIALLY THOSE 12 KNOWN(YES 12) VICTIMS OF BARRY,HOW DOES IT AFFECT THEM TO SEE JUSTICE OVERTURNED TO SAVE FACE FOR A COMPASSIONLESS PASTORLESS SECT. WE WORKER VICTIMS,ME DECADES AGO,GET SICKENED BY ALL THE HYPERTHETICAL INSENSITIVE CRAPP YOU GO ON WITH. GO JOIN THE MARCHERS IN THE STREETS WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE FOR RAPE ABUSE VICTIMS,SURE GOD WOULD RATHER DO THIS THAN PROTECT AN EXPOSED SECT WITH A TERRIBLE SEX CRIME HISTORY BEING EXPOSED WORLD WIDE? victim
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 23:53:26 GMT -5
YOU FALSE PROTECTORS, YOU MAKE IT WORSE. YES HOW HUMOUROUS_ NO NOT REALLY THIS IS SERIOUS.IF YOU THINK YOU ARE PROTECTING CHRIS AND MINISTRY OF 2x2s REPUTATION YOU ARE IN REVERSE? WHY? IF HE IS NOT A "PAEDOPHILE","YOUR TRYING TO RELATE TO US" HE CANNOT USE THAT ,IN DEFENCE, AS A MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER HE HAS or HAD NO CONTROL OVER? "GOOD". HE THEN,A NORMAL MATURE ADULT(MANY APPEAR TO BE SAYING) TO DESTROY LITTLE CHILDRENS LIVES FOR SOME ANAMALISTIC SELF SEXUAL GRATIFACTION AND CRUEL ENOUGH TO PRETEND HE IS ONE OF NORMALITY SO THE LITTLE CHILDREN CAN CARRY AND SUFFER A CRUEL LIFETIME BURDEN? AS WITH ERNIE BARRY,JACK TRIGG AND "MANY,"YES MANY, MORE MEN AND WOMEN IN THAT PSUEDO GODS WAY,WITH A HISTORY OF HOMOSEXUALLITY,LESBIANISM,ADULTRY AND CRIMINAL CHILD SEX ABUSE,CAUSING MENTAL TRAUMA,BREAKDOWNS AND SUICIDES--AMONGST VICTIMS AND FAMILIES. AND REMEMBER THOSE WHO MENTION OR COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM OR ANOTHER,CAN BE PUT OUT OF FELLOWSHIP,AS TROUBLE MAKERS OR AN UNWILLING. IN OTHERWORDS IN KEEPING WITH THE WILLIAM IRVINE THEOLOGY YOU WILL GO TO "HELL". SO IF YOU THINK YOU ARE HELPING DONT SHUT UP (IT HELPS US),THE REAL TRUTH MAY ACTUALLY MAY BE REVEALED,AT LAST,WE EX "VICTIMS" LOVE TO SEE YOU TRIP OVER YOURSELVES TRYING TO AVOID WHAT GOD WOULD WANT? SUFFER LITTLE CHILDREN COME UNTO ME? SO TO CRIMINALLY ASSAULT,RAPE,MOLEST ONE OF HIS LITTLE CHILDREN BECAUSE "SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN",SO YOU HAVE DONE IT ALSO TO "GODS HEAVEN?" YET STILL SUPPORTING CSA PERPETRATORS? AS YOUR $$$ ALSO $$$ SUPPORTED ERNIE BARRY? HIRING AN EXPENSIVE CRIMINAL FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST WHO SEVERAL OF OUR UNDERWORLD FIGURES USE,d AND BRIBE LOCAL JOURNALISTS TO GO EASY ON REPORTING TO HAVE HIS JAIL SENTENCE SUSPENDED. AT WHAT POINT DID YOU DISREGARD BARRY'S VICTIMS TO ALLOW THIS. WE VICTIMS ESPECIALLY THOSE 12 KNOWN(YES 12) VICTIMS OF BARRY,HOW DOES IT AFFECT THEM TO SEE JUSTICE OVERTURNED TO SAVE FACE FOR A COMPASSIONLESS PASTORLESS SECT. WE WORKER VICTIMS,ME DECADES AGO,GET SICKENED BY ALL THE HYPERTHETICAL INSENSITIVE CRAPP YOU GO ON WITH. GO JOIN THE MARCHERS IN THE STREETS WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE FOR RAPE ABUSE VICTIMS,SURE GOD WOULD RATHER DO THIS THAN PROTECT AN EXPOSED SECT WITH A TERRIBLE SEX CRIME HISTORY BEING EXPOSED WORLD WIDE? victim |
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Post by fixit on Apr 4, 2014 0:03:13 GMT -5
HIRING AN EXPENSIVE CRIMINAL FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST WHO SEVERAL OF OUR UNDERWORLD FIGURES USE,d AND BRIBE LOCAL JOURNALISTS TO GO EASY ON REPORTING TO HAVE HIS JAIL SENTENCE SUSPENDED. How would you know if journalists were bribed? |
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Post by magpie on Apr 4, 2014 2:05:26 GMT -5
HIRING AN EXPENSIVE CRIMINAL FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST WHO SEVERAL OF OUR UNDERWORLD FIGURES USE,d AND BRIBE LOCAL JOURNALISTS TO GO EASY ON REPORTING TO HAVE HIS JAIL SENTENCE SUSPENDED. How would you know if journalists were bribed? |
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Post by magpie on Apr 4, 2014 2:18:21 GMT -5
That is easy. Journos all over are frothing at the bit,awaiting for Australian Commission when WINGS submission pops up. Now you prove that media wasnt approached in that Rural town? The Fairfax and News Ltd Journo's are watching like hawks over a dying lamb. Ask Chris Johnston ,Fairfax Press, if he knows such a bribe was possible? You cant give up can you,it is hard,I know how hard it is to wrench clear of Workers and 2x2 family to be liberated to serve God as he would want me to. You might feel you can see 15% wrong in a local fellowship (church) but look hard at the 85% of theology& correctness? Better than hanging to reverse %%'s 85% unbiblical,perhaps closer to 100%
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Post by mdm on Apr 4, 2014 10:35:54 GMT -5
I am not in Australia, but know some Australians who have been shunned for exposing perpetrators of CSA. Also, our Australian friends have told us that for EB's defense the ministry hired one of the top criminal defense lawyers in Australia who has the reputation for defending the top mafia people. Perhaps that piece of information can be verified?
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Post by fixit on Apr 4, 2014 12:25:20 GMT -5
That is easy. Journos all over are frothing at the bit,awaiting for Australian Commission when WINGS submission pops up. Now you prove that media wasnt approached in that Rural town? The Fairfax and News Ltd Journo's are watching like hawks over a dying lamb. Ask Chris Johnston ,Fairfax Press, if he knows such a bribe was possible? You cant give up can you,it is hard,I know how hard it is to wrench clear of Workers and 2x2 family to be liberated to serve God as he would want me to. You might feel you can see 15% wrong in a local fellowship (church) but look hard at the 85% of theology& correctness? Better than hanging to reverse %%'s 85% unbiblical,perhaps closer to 100% Ah...so you meant to say just that such a bribe was a possibility. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 4, 2014 12:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by magpie on Apr 8, 2014 2:21:55 GMT -5
Every day many Boards Worker friends and ex,TMB ,Sites,etc are being followed. For the evidence reqired for Gov't Commission into CSA. So if you support the 2x2 sect and people like Chris Chandler/Ernie Barry,eg,disputing words of discription,THANKS. One of the journo's the other eve said you can pick the ones who have drunk from the poison challis. They are digging a greater hole to fall in.
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