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Post by snow on Jan 2, 2015 19:49:50 GMT -5
Interesting talk with Lawrence Krauss regarding the lander that recently landed on the comet.
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Post by xna on Jan 2, 2015 20:56:54 GMT -5
Interesting talk with Lawrence Krauss regarding the lander that recently landed on the comet. Interesting talk. I learned our atoms may have been in up to 20 suns not just 3. The reflective coating was new to me. Thanks Snow |
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Post by xna on Jan 2, 2015 23:01:31 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2015 0:13:25 GMT -5
He was a fascinating man. I have read so much written by him and about him. He has been someone I have been fascinated with all my life. In some ways I can agree with him though I don't know that I can agree that we don't have free will. In any case if appears that we do, but that could be an illusion of course. Thanks for posting that. I just finished watching a really good debate 'Science Refutes God'. It's quite long, but really good I thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 0:29:07 GMT -5
he didn't go into much detail as to why he believes there is no free will... i wonder what he thought was directing mankinds lives then? that could be used as an excuse to do much evil and then blame it on no free will... |
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2015 0:32:00 GMT -5
he didn't go into much detail as to why he believes there is no free will... i wonder what he thought was directing mankinds lives then? that could be used as an excuse to do much evil and then blame it on no free will... Interesting question. Since he didn't believe in God or his opponent, the devil. Maybe he felt we were just instinctual creatures that had no say in how we reacted. In a sense I wonder if he isn't right after the studies I have seen done that show we make decisions seconds before we are even aware of them. exploringthemind.com/the-mind/brain-scans-can-reveal-your-decisions-7-seconds-before-you-decide |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 3, 2015 1:19:50 GMT -5
He was a fascinating man. I have read so much written by him and about him. He has been someone I have been fascinated with all my life. In some ways I can agree with him though I don't know that I can agree that we don't have free will. In any case if appears that we do, but that could be an illusion of course. Thanks for posting that. I just finished watching a really good debate 'Science Refutes God'. It's quite long, but really good I thought.
I'm too tired to watch it all now but I bookmarked to watch later.
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2015 11:28:26 GMT -5
He was a fascinating man. I have read so much written by him and about him. He has been someone I have been fascinated with all my life. In some ways I can agree with him though I don't know that I can agree that we don't have free will. In any case if appears that we do, but that could be an illusion of course. Thanks for posting that. I just finished watching a really good debate 'Science Refutes God'. It's quite long, but really good I thought.
I'm too tired to watch it all now but I bookmarked to watch later.
You're welcome. It's a good one actually. Always liked Lawrence Krauss and Michael Shermer (sp?) |
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2015 13:14:46 GMT -5
In that debate an interesting subject arose. Why do so many people feel they have experienced a religious experience? Michael Shermer started to get into that explaining the brain and how it works, but there was not time to get into it fully. He started to talk about humanity and it's propensity for evaluating patterns in order to survive. The brain is completely capable of experiencing hallucinations, delusions and imaginings. Sometimes these imaginings work in our favor for survival like the rustling in the grass being thought to be a predator vs the wind. It may just be the wind, but believing first it is a predator could save our lives. So even if we were wrong it would be seen as a positive. He started to get into what purpose religious beliefs of experiences might have to do with our survival, but the debate wasn't about that so it was dropped. I think that would be an interesting thing to study.
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Post by matisse on Jan 3, 2015 14:42:40 GMT -5
he didn't go into much detail as to why he believes there is no free will... i wonder what he thought was directing mankinds lives then? that could be used as an excuse to do much evil and then blame it on no free will... Interesting question. Since he didn't believe in God or his opponent, the devil. Maybe he felt we were just instinctual creatures that had no say in how we reacted. In a sense I wonder if he isn't right after the studies I have seen done that show we make decisions seconds before we are even aware of them. exploringthemind.com/the-mind/brain-scans-can-reveal-your-decisions-7-seconds-before-you-decideThe video clip was blocked for me. Here is an alternate link: |
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Post by xna on Jan 3, 2015 19:42:02 GMT -5
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Post by xna on Jan 3, 2015 20:43:37 GMT -5
2015 Brian tools; 7 tesla FMRI & Oculus Rift playing with our "reality". Mind is what the brain does. Who's minding you mind? Objective reality may differ from yours. You can't know if you are a just simulation. God helmet All interesting stuff. youtu.be/vF13lucAAFg |
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Post by xna on Jan 3, 2015 21:17:35 GMT -5
What happens when you die - the proof. One of the best talks on this subject. Q&A was also informative. youtu.be/40eiycH077A |
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2015 21:18:19 GMT -5
Oh well! It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they went right out of business. They don't report news. They report what they think about news. And it's usually so bizarre that they really have become a joke. |
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2015 22:08:27 GMT -5
What happens when you die - the proof. One of the best talks on this subject. Q&A was also informative. youtu.be/40eiycH077AThat was a fascinating talk. Truly enjoyed it. thank you xna The end where he asks about free will, got me thinking about Einstein and his belief there was no free will. Maybe he was on to something. What I got from it though was that because there were so many possibilities of choices, that not having free will really isn't an issue and it isn't something we can even address because of that. |
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2015 22:15:21 GMT -5
The video clip was blocked for me. Here is an alternate link: Thanks Matisse. |
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Post by xna on Jan 3, 2015 22:39:01 GMT -5
What happens when you die - the proof. One of the best talks on this subject. Q&A was also informative. youtu.be/40eiycH077AThat was a fascinating talk. Truly enjoyed it. thank you xna The end where he asks about free will, got me thinking about Einstein and his belief there was no free will. Maybe he was on to something. What I got from it though was that because there were so many possibilities of choices, that not having free will really isn't an issue and it isn't something we can even address because of that. Free will is a difficult idea for "me". I want to think I am in charge of the "me", but more and more the "me that's aware" seems to be the last to know. Yet if that is the case, we still have to; be, think and do, as if it were not so. The fact that a brain can begin to know it's self is amazing. It may be our brains inventions, computational neuroscience which will go on to teach us how we work. We may teach our computers to find new ways of knowing which are different than the way our brain works. Here is an example of knowing mechanical laws without the wetware approach. youtu.be/MSo6eeDsFlE |
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2015 23:10:01 GMT -5
That was a fascinating talk. Truly enjoyed it. thank you xna The end where he asks about free will, got me thinking about Einstein and his belief there was no free will. Maybe he was on to something. What I got from it though was that because there were so many possibilities of choices, that not having free will really isn't an issue and it isn't something we can even address because of that. Free will is a difficult idea for "me". I want to think I am in charge of the "me", but more and more the "me that's aware" seems to be the last to know. Yet if that is the case, we still have to; be, think and do, as if it were not so. The fact that a brain can begin to know it's self is amazing. It may be our brains inventions, computational neuroscience which will go on to teach us how we work. We may teach our computers to find new ways of knowing which are different than the way our brain works. Here is an example of knowing mechanical laws without the wetware approach. youtu.be/MSo6eeDsFlEI guess bottom line is that we have to deal with what is happening and what we have. It appears that we do have the ability to make choices, or at least the brain makes choices, because it 'knows' what we would consciously want? It's almost as if two separate things are happening and conscious awareness of the first choice lags behind. I wonder if that is because the neocortex was the last part of the brain to evolve? For eg. reptiles are quite capable of living, making decisions that keep them alive, but I doubt there is any conscious rethinking of instinctual behavior at that level. We have 3 brains do we not? The brain stem, the limbic and the neocortex. These all have various functions. Maybe there is a time lag before the newer areas catch up? Regarding the video, I need to be smarter! lol |
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Post by xna on Jan 3, 2015 23:27:47 GMT -5
~Snow
I have often thought about how I have experience acting in sudden dangerous events without thinking, the exact same way I would have if I had taken the time to think about it. The practiced emergency response drills from my flight training has kept me alive. Interesting how you can pre-thinking quick responses to certain events.
Yet even without any training most will jump from harms way first, then follows the awareness of the harm. Some are heroes in spite of themselves, good acting before thinking. . :-)
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Post by snow on Jan 4, 2015 11:08:50 GMT -5
~Snow I have often thought about how I have experience acting in sudden dangerous events without thinking, the exact same way I would have if I had taken the time to think about it. The practiced emergency response drills from my flight training has kept me alive. Interesting how you can pre-thinking quick responses to certain events. Yet even without any training most will jump from harms way first, then follows the awareness of the harm. Some are heroes in spite of themselves, good acting before thinking. . :-) Yes, in fact if we waited for a 'conscious' response we very likely would be dead! There are many things the body does, obviously, that we aren't even aware of. Keeping alive is likely very instinctual and not something our brain needs to think about, but rather just acts immediately. Our brain's ability to do this is very likely part of evolution and the ones that had a brain that did this best were the ones that lived long enough to share their gene pool. We also all know how much 'over thinking' something can just be detrimental in the long run. Makes decisions difficult and sometimes prevents us from doing things that would have been good. |
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Post by snow on Jan 4, 2015 17:00:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 20:20:00 GMT -5
although i support isreal and would probably do the same it is a little bit dis-loyal to the presidency of the USA, i sure wouldn't be kissing any rings though... |
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Post by snow on Jan 4, 2015 22:58:44 GMT -5
although i support isreal and would probably do the same it is a little bit dis-loyal to the presidency of the USA, i sure wouldn't be kissing any rings though... Just out of curiosity, what would make you support Israel over the president of your own country? What is so great about Israel that you would be doing something that is equal to treason? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 23:28:47 GMT -5
although i support isreal and would probably do the same it is a little bit dis-loyal to the presidency of the USA, i sure wouldn't be kissing any rings though... Just out of curiosity, what would make you support Israel over the president of your own country? What is so great about Israel that you would be doing something that is equal to treason? hard to explain...lets just say that israel MUST exist and has a place in world history to fulfill and that anyone that would diminish or threaten or in anyway harm israel must be opposed... |
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Post by matisse on Jan 5, 2015 7:01:49 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what would make you support Israel over the president of your own country? What is so great about Israel that you would be doing something that is equal to treason? hard to explain...lets just say that israel MUST exist and has a place in world history to fulfill and that anyone that would diminish or threaten or in anyway harm israel must be opposed... Why don't you leave it to God? Do you not think he can handle it on his own?? |
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Post by snow on Jan 5, 2015 10:34:24 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what would make you support Israel over the president of your own country? What is so great about Israel that you would be doing something that is equal to treason? hard to explain...lets just say that israel MUST exist and has a place in world history to fulfill and that anyone that would diminish or threaten or in anyway harm israel must be opposed... Because of your religious beliefs or because of other reasons? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 16:17:42 GMT -5
hard to explain...lets just say that israel MUST exist and has a place in world history to fulfill and that anyone that would diminish or threaten or in anyway harm israel must be opposed... Why don't you leave it to God? Do you not think he can handle it on his own?? God works through people to God doesn't always work alone... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 16:19:01 GMT -5
hard to explain...lets just say that israel MUST exist and has a place in world history to fulfill and that anyone that would diminish or threaten or in anyway harm israel must be opposed... Because of your religious beliefs or because of other reasons? mainly religious reasons... |
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