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Post by Dan on Jul 3, 2021 2:40:40 GMT -5
Was that supposed to be funny?
For a Liberal, I imagine it would seem more like a disaster.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 4, 2021 1:10:40 GMT -5
Was that supposed to be funny? For a Liberal, I imagine it would seem more like a disaster.
It's routine in public schools. I spent 42 years in many schools in many places. It's always been. The joke is about as funny as saying, "OMG, they're making people drive on the left hand side of the road in England." |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 5, 2021 14:25:41 GMT -5
For a Liberal, I imagine it would seem more like a disaster.
It's routine in public schools. I spent 42 years in many schools in many places. It's always been. The joke is about as funny as saying, "OMG, they're making people drive on the left hand side of the road in England."
First of all, Dan's use of the word "humanity" seems off track to what I believe was the point he was trying to convey
I think he really meant "inhumanity, " that to we as "Liberals", would believe it unhuman and it a "disaster" to"force" those poor little kids to say the allegiance to the flag and esp', having to hold their hand over their heart!
Am I right, Dan?
If so, No one that I know would consider that a "disaster!"
Dan, You keep throwing up imaginated conscepts of ill-treatment of slings & arrows of being persecuted by "liberals."
Your imaginations are not true but I think you need to do that because it makes you feel more secure in your prejudged beliefs if you can just imagine that is we who are "tramping " on peoples rights.
Now the truth of the matter is that I would defend the right for those children to be able say the allegiance just as they are doing if that is alright with them.
However I would ALSO defend the right of any child that did not want to do so for their own personal coonvictions, -and I would bet my life on the fact that YOU would NOT defend that child!
Instead you would make them feel as if they were just being disrespectful with no right to an opinion and would lambast their parents as well. |
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Post by Dan on Jul 5, 2021 14:32:05 GMT -5
First of all, Dan's use of the word "humanity" seems off track to what I believe was the point he was trying to convey
I think he really meant "inhumanity, " that to we as "Liberals", would believe it unhuman and it a "disaster" to"force" those poor little kids to say the allegiance to the flag and esp', having to hold their hand over their heart!
Am I right, Dan? Yes, I just noticed that myself and changed it
If so, No one that I know would consider that a "disaster!"
Dan, You keep throwing up imaginated concepts of ill-treatment of slings & arrows of being persecuted by "liberals."
Your imaginations are not true but I think you need to do that because it makes you feel more secure in your prejudged beliefs if you can just imagine that is we who are "tramping " on peoples rights.
Now the truth of the matter is that I would defend the right for those children to be able say the allegiance just as they are doing if that is alright with them.
However I would ALSO defend the right of any child that did not want to do so for their own personal convictions, -and I would bet my life on the fact that YOU would NOT defend that child! True
Instead you would make them feel as if they were just being disrespectful with no right to an opinion and would lambast their parents as well. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 7, 2021 13:14:10 GMT -5
First of all, Dan's use of the word "humanity" seems off track to what I believe was the point he was trying to convey
I think he really meant "inhumanity, " that to we as "Liberals", would believe it unhuman and it a "disaster" to"force" those poor little kids to say the allegiance to the flag and esp', having to hold their hand over their heart!
Am I right, Dan? Yes, I just noticed that myself and changed it
If so, No one that I know would consider that a "disaster!"
Dan, You keep throwing up imaginated concepts of ill-treatment of slings & arrows of being persecuted by "liberals."
Your imaginations are not true but I think you need to do that because it makes you feel more secure in your prejudged beliefs if you can just imagine that is we who are "tramping " on peoples rights.
Now the truth of the matter is that I would defend the right for those children to be able say the allegiance just as they are doing if that is alright with them.
However I would ALSO defend the right of any child that did not want to do so for their own personal convictions, -and I would bet my life on the fact that YOU would NOT defend that child! True
Instead you would make them feel as if they were just being disrespectful with no right to an opinion and would lambast their parents as well.
Dan, that was how I figured you would act whenI said I would bet my life on your reaction! 
I had no fear of betting my life onyour reaction!
Do you not understand that the Bill of Rigths in the U.S. Constitution protects of Minorities from being over ruled by the Majority?
www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.php
Majority Rule and Minority Rights
Democracy is a way of government of the people which is ruled by the people.
Democracies understand the importance of protecting the rights, cultural identities, social practices, and religious practices of all individuals.
In order for the people’s will to govern, a system of majority rule with respect to minority rights has been put into place.
Majority rule is a way of organizing government where citizens freely make political decisions through voting for representatives.
The representatives with the most votes then represent the will of the people through majority rule.
Minority rights are rights that are guaranteed to everyone, even if they are not a part of the majority.
These rights cannot be eliminated by a majority vote.
Minorities must trust that the majority will keep in mind the wishes of the minority when making decisions that affect everyone.
The minority today will not necessarily be the minority of tomorrow.
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2021 0:10:05 GMT -5
Dan, that was how I figured you would act whenI said I would bet my life on your reaction!
I had no fear of betting my life onyour reaction!
Do you not understand that the Bill of Rigths in the U.S. Constitution protects of Minorities from being over ruled by the Majority?
www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.php
Majority Rule and Minority Rights
Democracy is a way of government of the people which is ruled by the people.
Democracies understand the importance of protecting the rights, cultural identities, social practices, and religious practices of all individuals.
In order for the people’s will to govern, a system of majority rule with respect to minority rights has been put into place.
Majority rule is a way of organizing government where citizens freely make political decisions through voting for representatives.
The representatives with the most votes then represent the will of the people through majority rule.
Minority rights are rights that are guaranteed to everyone, even if they are not a part of the majority.
These rights cannot be eliminated by a majority vote.
Minorities must trust that the majority will keep in mind the wishes of the minority when making decisions that affect everyone.
The minority today will not necessarily be the minority of tomorrow.
cont@www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.php
The pic was in regards to children, not minorities. Teaching kids to respect their country by standing for the anthem or pledge is tantamount to teaching them to eat with a fork instead of their hands. When they become adults, they have a right to rebel against the majority consensus, but children can be taught to have manners and be required to show respect for their flag and country. Young people just aren't mature enough to always determine what's best for them. The Bill of Rights guarantees inalienable rights to all, but it doesn't over-rule adult supervision or allow minors to decide everything for themselves.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 8, 2021 0:55:37 GMT -5
Dan, that was how I figured you would act whenI said I would bet my life on your reaction!
I had no fear of betting my life onyour reaction!
Do you not understand that the Bill of Rigths in the U.S. Constitution protects of Minorities from being over ruled by the Majority?
www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.php
Majority Rule and Minority Rights
Democracy is a way of government of the people which is ruled by the people.
Democracies understand the importance of protecting the rights, cultural identities, social practices, and religious practices of all individuals.
In order for the people’s will to govern, a system of majority rule with respect to minority rights has been put into place.
Majority rule is a way of organizing government where citizens freely make political decisions through voting for representatives.
The representatives with the most votes then represent the will of the people through majority rule.
Minority rights are rights that are guaranteed to everyone, even if they are not a part of the majority.
These rights cannot be eliminated by a majority vote.
Minorities must trust that the majority will keep in mind the wishes of the minority when making decisions that affect everyone.
The minority today will not necessarily be the minority of tomorrow.
cont@www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.phpThe pic was in regards to children, not minorities. Teaching kids to respect their country by standing for the anthem or pledge is tantamount to teaching them to eat with a fork instead of their hands. When they become adults, they have a right to rebel against the majority consensus, but children can be taught to have manners and be required to show respect for their flag and country. Young people just aren't mature enough to always determine what's best for them. The Bill of Rights guarantees inalienable rights to all, but it doesn't over-rule adult supervision or allow minors to decide everything for themselves.
What I under-linned in you post is is baloney!
What kind of child do you want raise?
A robot that doesn't learn how to think for itself & can only do what it is told?
Teaching kids starts with their parents first and parents teach, -or should teach, -their children respect for the rights of all people.
Do you think that "standing for the anthem or pledge" is just a matter of "manners?"
How can that even be near comparable to "teaching them to eat with a fork instead of their hands?"
Are you able to differentiate between really important issues and lesser important issues?
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Dan, that was how I figured you would act whenI said I would bet my life on your reaction!
I had no fear of betting my life onyour reaction!
Do you not understand that the Bill of Rigths in the U.S. Constitution protects of Minorities from being over ruled by the Majority?
www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.php
Majority Rule and Minority Rights
Democracy is a way of government of the people which is ruled by the people.
Democracies understand the importance of protecting the rights, cultural identities, social practices, and religious practices of all individuals.
In order for the people’s will to govern, a system of majority rule with respect to minority rights has been put into place.
Majority rule is a way of organizing government where citizens freely make political decisions through voting for representatives.
The representatives with the most votes then represent the will of the people through majority rule.
Minority rights are rights that are guaranteed to everyone, even if they are not a part of the majority.
These rights cannot be eliminated by a majority vote.
Minorities must trust that the majority will keep in mind the wishes of the minority when making decisions that affect everyone.
The minority today will not necessarily be the minority of tomorrow.
cont@www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.phpthe bill of rights and the constitution also prevent a small minority from Lording it up over the majority too.... |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 8, 2021 1:18:46 GMT -5
Dan, that was how I figured you would act whenI said I would bet my life on your reaction!
I had no fear of betting my life onyour reaction!
Do you not understand that the Bill of Rigths in the U.S. Constitution protects of Minorities from being over ruled by the Majority?
www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.php
Majority Rule and Minority Rights
Democracy is a way of government of the people which is ruled by the people.
Democracies understand the importance of protecting the rights, cultural identities, social practices, and religious practices of all individuals.
In order for the people’s will to govern, a system of majority rule with respect to minority rights has been put into place.
Majority rule is a way of organizing government where citizens freely make political decisions through voting for representatives.
The representatives with the most votes then represent the will of the people through majority rule.
Minority rights are rights that are guaranteed to everyone, even if they are not a part of the majority.
These rights cannot be eliminated by a majority vote.
Minorities must trust that the majority will keep in mind the wishes of the minority when making decisions that affect everyone.
The minority today will not necessarily be the minority of tomorrow.
cont@www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/administrative-law/majority-rule-and-minority-rights-administrative-law-essay.phpthe bill of rights and the constitution also prevent a small minority from Lording it up over the majority too....
definition: lord it over someone: to behave as if you are more important than someone and have a right to tell that person what to do: |
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Post by Dan on Jul 8, 2021 1:59:28 GMT -5
The pic was in regards to children, not minorities. Teaching kids to respect their country by standing for the anthem or pledge is tantamount to teaching them to eat with a fork instead of their hands. When they become adults, they have a right to rebel against the majority consensus, but children can be taught to have manners and be required to show respect for their flag and country. Young people just aren't mature enough to always determine what's best for them. The Bill of Rights guarantees inalienable rights to all, but it doesn't over-rule adult supervision or allow minors to decide everything for themselves.
What I under-linned in you post is is baloney!
What kind of child do you want raise?
A robot that doesn't learn how to think for itself & can only do what it is told?
Teaching kids starts with their parents first and parents teach, -or should teach, -their children respect for the rights of all people.
Do you think that "standing for the anthem or pledge" is just a matter of "manners?"
How can that even be near comparable to "teaching them to eat with a fork instead of their hands?"
Are you able to differentiate between really important issues and lesser important issues?
Standing for the anthem and pledge is a matter of respect. Its the same reason we teach kids not to use obscenities in church or tell jokes at a funeral.
A child can think for themselves while simultaneously learning respect. They don't have a right to disrupt and protest everything they disagree with, regardless of their personal feelings.
They may want cake and ice cream for supper, but are not allowed to dictate the menu.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 11:55:04 GMT -5
the bill of rights and the constitution also prevent a small minority from Lording it up over the majority too....
definition: lord it over someone: to behave as if you are more important than someone and have a right to tell that person what to do: as i thought you don't completely understand our founding fathers or founding documents... |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 8, 2021 15:09:35 GMT -5
What I under-linned in you post is is baloney!
What kind of child do you want raise?
A robot that doesn't learn how to think for itself & can only do what it is told?
Teaching kids starts with their parents first and parents teach, -or should teach, -their children respect for the rights of all people.
Do you think that "standing for the anthem or pledge" is just a matter of "manners?"
How can that even be near comparable to "teaching them to eat with a fork instead of their hands?"
Are you able to differentiate between really important issues and lesser important issues?
Standing for the anthem and pledge is a matter of respect. Its the same reason we teach kids not to use obscenities in church or tell jokes at a funeral.
A child can think for themselves while simultaneously learning respect. They don't have a right to disrupt and protest everything they disagree with, regardless of their personal feelings.
They may want cake and ice cream for supper, but are not allowed to dictate the menu.
If what the flag represents, -"freedom of expression and respecting the rights of ALL of the people," -is being denied to anyone, -then just saluting the symbol means nothing!
If someone does not feel in all good concience they can salute the flag, -then if the very thing the flag stands for, -"freedom of speech," -is denied to that person and isn't the whole thing just a travesty?
So Dan, if parents tells the child to just go ahead & salute the flag irregarless of how the parents really feel about it; -arent they just "teaching" the child to be dishonest?
Arent they also "teaching" the child to not stand up for what they believe to be right?
Wouldn't it be better for the parent to "teach" the child what freedom really means how to treat other people?
PS: Dan, -again your examples of comparrisons:
"not to use obscenities in church or tell jokes at a funeral" and "may want cake and ice cream for supper, but are not allowed to dictate the menu" are incompatible comparisons & are "logical fallacies." |
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 8, 2021 15:29:12 GMT -5
Standing for the anthem and pledge is a matter of respect. Its the same reason we teach kids not to use obscenities in church or tell jokes at a funeral.
A child can think for themselves while simultaneously learning respect. They don't have a right to disrupt and protest everything they disagree with, regardless of their personal feelings.
They may want cake and ice cream for supper, but are not allowed to dictate the menu.
If what the flag represents, -"freedom of expression and respecting the rights of ALL of the people," -is being denied to anyone, -then just saluting the symbol means nothing!
If someone does not feel in all good concience they can salute the flag, -then if the very thing the flag stands for, -"freedom of speech," -is denied to that person and isn't the whole thing just a travesty?
When I was teaching in a high school, I had some students who were legal immigrants from Mexico, but ineligible for citizenship or even permanent residency. There was an enormous uproar over one of them who didn't cross his heart and recite the pledge of allegiance, but ironically the president of the student council did neither and was never yelled at. Don't people know what a pledge of allegiance is? It's a solemn vow that I made in a court of law, similar to the vow of marriage I made before a justice of the peace. Who requires anyone to make a vow he cannot legally fulfill -- except if it's a silly playful game like children play? |
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 13, 2021 18:22:51 GMT -5
I found a picture of Nathan's ride!   |
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I found a picture of Nathan's ride! Very convincing.  |
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Wally, -you and those who think like yourself, -must have to spend a lot of time trying to deny your attitudes towards those unlike yourself.
Prejudice, as in one's opinion, - does exists against one's brothers & sisters of a different color or ethnicity
That saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" is simply not true and actually CAN and DO hurt many people.
Attitudes caused from derogatory "words" can bring abut actual "physical" results that can kill at times.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 29, 2021 15:41:36 GMT -5
Absolutely
Seen it up front
My aunt and uncle adopted 2 boys whom are black .
It’s repulsive , have witnessed more than I care to .
I love them period , no questions asked . They are family .
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Wally, -you and those who think like yourself, -must have to spend a lot of time trying to deny your attitudes towards those unlike yourself.
Prejudice, as in one's opinion, - does exists against one's brothers & sisters of a different color or ethnicity
That saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" is simply not true and actually CAN and DO hurt many people.
Attitudes caused from derogatory "words" can bring abut actual "physical" results that can kill at times. Even the left can't get away from about 70-90% of native americans that were NOT offended by the redskin name, what they were offended by was the tomahawk chop and imitating indian dances... www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-redskins/new-poll-finds-90-percent-native-americans-not-offended-redskins-name <<<no political history, no fact checking history Even when i lived in montana on a reservation most of the school team names were animals or native american themed. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 29, 2021 16:50:30 GMT -5
Wally, -you and those who think like yourself, -must have to spend a lot of time trying to deny your attitudes towards those unlike yourself.
Prejudice, as in one's opinion, - does exists against one's brothers & sisters of a different color or ethnicity
That saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" is simply not true and actually CAN and DO hurt many people.
Attitudes caused from derogatory "words" can bring abut actual "physical" results that can kill at times. Even the left can't get away from about 70-90% of native americans that were NOT offended by the redskin name, what they were offended by was the tomahawk chop and imitating indian dances... www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-redskins/new-poll-finds-90-percent-native-americans-not-offended-redskins-name <<<no political history, no fact checking history Even when i lived in montana on a reservation most of the school team names were animals or native american themed. |
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That in no way discounts what I said about the damage done by the use of derogatory "words" that can bring abut actual "physical" results that can even kill at times. One can't go around walking on egg shells all the time, life doesn't work that way... |
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That in no way discounts what I said about the damage done by the use of derogatory "words" that can bring abut actual "physical" results that can even kill at times. One can't go around walking on egg shells all the time, life doesn't work that way...
I was talking about prejudice that is expressed in language that CAN & DOES led to mental as well as PHYSICAL actual harm; -damage to real people and can last for their life time.
But then, if one is already is concerned about the welfare of other people, -concerned about their fellowmen on this journey through life, -perhaps they wouldn't even need to fear what they said.
Their concern for others would just come naturally.
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One can't go around walking on egg shells all the time, life doesn't work that way...
I was talking about prejudice that is expressed in language that CAN & DOES led to mental as well as PHYSICAL actual harm; -damage to real people and can last for their life time.
But then, if one is already is concerned about the welfare of other people, -concerned about their fellowmen on this journey through life, -perhaps they wouldn't even need to fear what they said.
Their concern for others would just come naturally.
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Post by verna on Jul 29, 2021 20:02:47 GMT -5
One can't go around walking on egg shells all the time, life doesn't work that way...
I was talking about prejudice that is expressed in language that CAN & DOES led to mental as well as PHYSICAL actual harm; -damage to real people and can last for their life time.
But then, if one is already is concerned about the welfare of other people, -concerned about their fellowmen on this journey through life, -perhaps they wouldn't even need to fear what they said.
Their concern for others would just come naturally.
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I was not talking about "walking on eggshells," wally.
I was talking about prejudice that is expressed in language that CAN & DOES led to mental as well as PHYSICAL actual harm; -damage to real people and can last for their life time.
But then, if one is already is concerned about the welfare of other people, -concerned about their fellowmen on this journey through life, -perhaps they wouldn't even need to fear what they said.
Their concern for others would just come naturally.
That would be the advertisement for walking on egg shells.... |
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