Vietnam

[déjà vu]

your quote Minhth


"I feel the pressure of money upon the workers in Vietnam nowadays.


My country is among the poorest countries in the world. "'


are you talking about the about the golden friend workers ? would you accept a donation from some of us on this board?

[fixit]

Feb 18, 2014 21:17:06 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

In both situations we have a worker who has left the 2x2's.

Are you sure GT has left the 2x2s?

I highly doubt that.

It would be more accurate to say that Uncle Hoa and GT are no longer under the control of 2x2 overseers.

[minhthanh]

Feb 18, 2014 21:08:30 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

Feb 18, 2014 20:32:23 GMT -5 déjà vu said:

your quote Minhth





My country is among the poorest countries in the world. "'

I am sorry because I didn't say clearly.

"I feel the pressure of money upon the workers in Vietnam nowadays.

Yes, you see with a staff of abundant of workers, and they live with high level of living so they depend on the money of overseers.
If they live simple life such as the staff of uncle Fred is no problem. 

are you talking about  the golden friend workers ? would you accept a donation from some of us on this board?
-No, we are not talking about the golden friend workers, because they lead a very simple life.
Generally speaking, some friends in the countryside are poor, but friends living in the cities are  not. We can support to our workers in many ways.

-Thank you the good heart of our friends on this board. 

I am thankful for helping me make clearer my ideas.
My English is poor !!! Make many mistakes also misunderstand from your side.
If anything still not clear for you to understand, please let me know. I appreciate all your correction.

[sharingtheriches]

Feb 18, 2014 22:24:39 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

Thanks for your response - I guess I took liberty expecting to get responses!

I'd be surprised if he hasn't left the 2x2's at least for a while. Not sure how you could stay with all this information coming out...

Happy to correct if I'm wrong as agree I don't know - but perhaps others can let us know...

I strongly suspect it will be as in the VN case where the overseer is so built up on his own importance that he will get rid of anyone who is a threat to his power. Thus I believe the powered workers down under will put pressure on GT to where he WILL leave the 2x2 completely in order to have peace of mind. GT is apt to find himself very much alone these days as the friends that intend on sticking in the fellowship don't dare hardly to look at him muchless take him on and eventually form a "golden friend's" society as those in VNhave!

[quizzer]

I could be wrong, but it feels that Vietnam is experiencing what was seen in the early days of the 2x2s in Ireland, Scotland, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Young people offered for the work because they thought it gave them a step up in life - they wouldn't have the poor, difficult life of living on a farm. They saw the workers traveling, not needing to train for a career, and didn't have the responsibilities of family members. So, being a worker seemed much better than being a farmer.

[déjà vu]

Q

I am not clear if you are referring to the native VN workers or the imported ones.

[Sylvestra]

Feb 18, 2014 22:56:54 GMT -5 minhthanh said:

Feb 18, 2014 21:08:30 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

I am sorry because I didn't say clearly.

"I feel the pressure of money upon the workers in Vietnam nowadays.

Yes, you see with a staff of abundant of workers, and they live with high level of living so they depend on the money of overseers.
If they live simple life such as the staff of uncle Fred is no problem. 

are you talking about  the golden friend workers ? would you accept a donation from some of us on this board?
-No, we are not talking about the golden friend workers, because they lead a very simple life.
Generally speaking, some friends in the countryside are poor, but friends living in the cities are  not. We can support to our workers in many ways.

-Thank you the good heart of our friends on this board. 

I am thankful for helping me make clearer my ideas.
My English is poor !!! Make many mistakes also misunderstand from your side.
If anything still not clear for you to understand, please let me know. I appreciate all your correction.

Minhthanh, I love your English!  You really do very, very well with it!  Some of the errors you make are SO endearing, it makes me smile with delight!

[fixit]

Minhthanh: Tôi yêu tiếng Anh của bạn

[minhthanh]

Minhthanh, I love your English! You really do very, very well with it! Some of the errors you make are SO endearing, it makes me smile with delight!



Minhthanh: Tôi yêu tiếng Anh của bạn



The way you encouraged me so lovely…

I had 3 grandsons, the way they talk to me is the same as mine in English, not correct in order, tense or grammar, but I do understand them, and love the way they speak to me.
Thankyou for your encouragement Sylvestra.
Fixit : “I love your Vietnamese too”.

[minhthanh]

    I had told your how hard our poor friends in the countryside, when they had to serve meal for the workers, with their highest respect as uncle Lyle required in his letter. They had to borrow money…

    You may wonder how about friends in cities, who have more money… I really don’t know how others, just let you know about our situation.

In the past my family often invited workers whenever we had chance, with full of appreciation and joy. My daughter always cooperated with me in money and cooking. We felt happy to have the privilege to invite workers.

    But since Darrell changed the method for all the friends having the privilege to be serving meal for the workers who may have the chance to talk and share their experience with.

Maybe it works with others, but it not works with my family.

For example, both of my children had the arrangement to have meal. They all not worry about money, but they all worry about the time. They couldn’t find out the convenience for both side.

One time my daughter had to take her 1 hour spare time of break at noon for arranging her meal with workers at a buffet rastaurant.

    She phoned and asked me to be at the restaurant in advance near her working place for welcome the workers, while she hadn't come yet.

    It took about 10-15 minutes from her office to the restaurant, so she had more than a half hour only. For finding the food and eating including talking to several workers.

    I was being there at the same table with a Korean sister worker, who laboured in VN many years, speaking Vietnamese very fluently.

    Talking and asking how her management for her new field, how her rent the appartement… She told me that she found out a convenient place, but far from the friends.

I told her in the past we lived very near workers, and came to see them very often almost the days in the week.

    Her reply was: “Luckily for me not rent a house near friends”. I didn’t know whether in her real heart or not, but it really made me shock…

[minhthanh]

    One time my youngest sister was arranged to welcome two sister workers Youngae & Nhung to stay & pass the night at her home.

    After their staying, my sister complained with me that, “Two sisters came and went straight to the guest room, passing the night, woke up having breakfast then left their family without any talking and asking with any members in her family. (That was the time after uncle Châu was chasing out, workers and friends dealt together with a shadow of doubt.)

    My sister complained to Darrel, the workers in her field, who is the same time the overseer in VN about her sadness with visiting sister workers.

    A week later those two sisters was arranged to stay in her family again. This time my youngest sister full of joy, told me that now these sisters changed their attitude into 180 degrees. Instead of bringing cold face as last week, this week they brought a deep fervid into her family, made her family full of joy.
(That was the result of an overseer working, he gave them a chance for appearing their honesty to people who in their side).

    Maybe the first coming these two sisters afraid this family having any doubt about them, until Darrel told them, this family completely supported for his work. 

    Very often the workers only stayed at a friend’s home only once during the special meeting period, the next time they will stay at another place, or the previous place for another workers.

This is the exceptional circumstances. Two times in a place within two continual weeks !!!

My sister felt full of happiness, but I felt like a farce only !!!

    Two faces in these workers !!!

Tomorrow I will tell you uncle Hoa suggest "Not having special meeting in HOI AN"

[sharingtheriches]

Feb 20, 2014 3:36:18 GMT -5 minhthanh said:

    One time my youngest sister was arranged to welcome two sister workers Youngae & Nhung to stay & pass the night at her home.

    After their staying, my sister complained with me that, “Two sisters came and went straight to the guest room, passing the night, woke up having breakfast then left their family without any talking and asking with any members in her family. (That was the time after uncle Châu was chasing out, workers and friends dealt together with a shadow of doubt.)

    My sister complained to Darrel, the workers in her field, who is the same time the overseer in VN about her sadness with visiting sister workers.

    A week later those two sisters was arranged to stay in her family again. This time my youngest sister full of joy, told me that now these sisters changed their attitude into 180 degrees. Instead of bringing cold face as last week, this week they brought a deep fervid into her family, made her family full of joy.
(That was the result of an overseer working, he gave them a chance for appearing their honesty to people who in their side).

    Maybe the first coming these two sisters afraid this family having any doubt about them, until Darrel told them, this family completely supported for his work. 

    Very often the workers only stayed at a friend’s home only once during the special meeting period, the next time they will stay at another place, or the previous place for another workers.

This is the exceptional circumstances. Two times in a place within two continual weeks !!!

My sister felt full of happiness, but I felt like a farce only !!!

    Two faces in these workers !!!

Tomorrow I will tell you uncle Hoa suggest "Not having special meeting in HOI AN"

Seems to me that the way the 2 sister workers were sent back the second time was the overseer protecting the "reputation" of the workership! This is about the only thing that will get the overseers up in arms and ready to fight or work to correct. It is all about the "reputation" of the workers in the workership! This is a sad reason to push forward and present a farce esp. after the real spirit had been felt the first time around.

By the way, I have experienced the same exact thing with visiting workers here in the US. They come in the door with a greeting some hugs, some handshakes...then they will ask if they don't already know what bedroom they belong in and will take their purses/bible cases to that room and of course, the trusty little laptop computer is with them as well and they will sit down immediately to see if they've gotten any email! The laptop computer is a curse for the friends that would like to "visit" with the workers while they are physically with them, but no, it is a "no-go"! I felt like setting down to my computer and emailing one of them and tell them I was glad they could come to my home, but am sorry that they're so busy face to face visiting isn't going to happen...so I'll just "visit" with them via email! I suspect they'd liked that!

[quizzer]

Feb 19, 2014 19:20:46 GMT -5 déjà vu said:

Q

I am not clear if you are referring to the native VN workers or the imported ones.

The young Vietnamese workers. minhthanh mentioned that a variety of young folks are offering for the work because they see the imported workers having motorbikes and plenty of money. Just seems similar to the early days for the western countries - maybe not the money, but definitely the travel and lack of daily responsibilities.

[Sylvestra]

Feb 20, 2014 10:53:21 GMT -5 sharingtheriches said:

Feb 20, 2014 3:36:18 GMT -5 minhthanh said:

    One time my youngest sister was arranged to welcome two sister workers Youngae & Nhung to stay & pass the night at her home.

    After their staying, my sister complained with me that, “Two sisters came and went straight to the guest room, passing the night, woke up having breakfast then left their family without any talking and asking with any members in her family. (That was the time after uncle Châu was chasing out, workers and friends dealt together with a shadow of doubt.)

    My sister complained to Darrel, the workers in her field, who is the same time the overseer in VN about her sadness with visiting sister workers.

    A week later those two sisters was arranged to stay in her family again. This time my youngest sister full of joy, told me that now these sisters changed their attitude into 180 degrees. Instead of bringing cold face as last week, this week they brought a deep fervid into her family, made her family full of joy.
(That was the result of an overseer working, he gave them a chance for appearing their honesty to people who in their side).

    Maybe the first coming these two sisters afraid this family having any doubt about them, until Darrel told them, this family completely supported for his work. 

    Very often the workers only stayed at a friend’s home only once during the special meeting period, the next time they will stay at another place, or the previous place for another workers.

This is the exceptional circumstances. Two times in a place within two continual weeks !!!

My sister felt full of happiness, but I felt like a farce only !!!

    Two faces in these workers !!!

Tomorrow I will tell you uncle Hoa suggest "Not having special meeting in HOI AN"

Seems to me that the way the 2 sister workers were sent back the second time was the overseer protecting the "reputation" of the workership! This is about the only thing that will get the overseers up in arms and ready to fight or work to correct. It is all about the "reputation" of the workers in the workership! This is a sad reason to push forward and present a farce esp. after the real spirit had been felt the first time around.

By the way, I have experienced the same exact thing with visiting workers here in the US. They come in the door with a greeting some hugs, some handshakes...then they will ask if they don't already know what bedroom they belong in and will take their purses/bible cases to that room and of course, the trusty little laptop computer is with them as well and they will sit down immediately to see if they've gotten any email! The laptop computer is a curse for the friends that would like to "visit" with the workers while they are physically with them, but no, it is a "no-go"! I felt like setting down to my computer and emailing one of them and tell them I was glad they could come to my home, but am sorry that they're so busy face to face visiting isn't going to happen...so I'll just "visit" with them via email! I suspect they'd liked that!

Sharon, I wonder what the workers would do if you e-mailed them while they were in their room, saying, "Would you ladies (gentlemen) like something to eat or drink before xxxx and I go to bed? We're turning in now."  

Minhthanh, does this relationship between the workers and friends feel a bit "hollow" (has a presence, but feels empty in the center)?  It would seem to me that those filled by Jesus presence, and who are his temple, would not come across as "hollow", but very filled!

[Deleted]

I find it very interesting to notice the different things that Minth Thanh brings up in her posts that to many of us recognize and share her feelings, but perhaps have seldom (if ever) put these feelings to words before. I know my wife often brought up this 'vanish to their room' charactaristic when we were still professing, and said said, How will our friends ever get to know the workers, if the workers so obviously avoid them in our home? I didn't think so much about it, as I often found it easier to visit with folks, without the workers 'always critical' presence in the room.

In reality workers don't want to be regarded as guests in homes, with the responsibility of a social presence -- rather be regarded as boarders -- which puts them on the same plane as renters (or hotel guests.

[sharingtheriches]

Yes, Edgar, but when I "pay" their boarding, I'd like some inclination of thanks by the boarders to show their ugly mugs a bit more then being late to the breakfast table or dinner table because they were so busy reading their email. You know, back before the advent of "email" and esp. it being allowed to the workers, the workers would gladly sit and visit and when they'd get a new letter or two, often they would gladly share a tad of one of those letters with us and help us stay connected to the friends and workers in other places. But now days, people know who the workers are and if it weren't for the fine labeled conv. pictures some of us wouldn't know what they really looked like! Esp. those of us who have to leave the home early to get to work for the workers want a late breakfast before they drive most of the day to be in someone else's home for the evening meal and/or night! To again be isolated in their bedrooms getting their latest email and NOW days, email is almost out, they all have cell phones which the friends pay for and have the most minutes that one can buy....yep., taking care of the workers got more expensive as time came along! They DO have to have the best and as MT said this is what spurred young people to want to go into the work....look at all the nice things, etc they can enjoy and not have to earn one dollar!

[Sylvestra]

Feb 21, 2014 11:00:18 GMT -5 sharingtheriches said:

Yes, Edgar, but when I "pay" their boarding, I'd like some inclination of thanks by the boarders to show their ugly mugs a bit more then being late to the breakfast table or dinner table because they were so busy reading their email. You know, back before the advent of "email" and esp. it being allowed to the workers, the workers would gladly sit and visit and when they'd get a new letter or two, often they would gladly share a tad of one of those letters with us and help us stay connected to the friends and workers in other places. But now days, people know who the workers are and if it weren't for the fine labeled conv. pictures some of us wouldn't know what they really looked like! Esp. those of us who have to leave the home early to get to work for the workers want a late breakfast before they drive most of the day to be in someone else's home for the evening meal and/or night! To again be isolated in their bedrooms getting their latest email and NOW days, email is almost out, they all have cell phones which the friends pay for and have the most minutes that one can buy....yep., taking care of the workers got more expensive as time came along! They DO have to have the best and as MT said this is what spurred young people to want to go into the work....look at all the nice things, etc they can enjoy and not have to earn one dollar!

I was just reading some last night about the difference between having a FAITH to follow Jesus, or being "persuaded" to follow Jesus.  There is no growth in the person who has been "persuaded" to believe, and a great deal of growth in those who have a true faith in Jesus which causes us to be filled with HIM and not the trappings of a religion.

I hope these young workers who are "persuaded" into the work can come to the place of having a filling faith in Jesus.  Then, they can be helpful to HIM and people will see him glowing from their lives!

[CherieKropp]

Feb 18, 2014 21:08:30 GMT -5 Ross.Bowden said:

Feb 18, 2014 20:32:23 GMT -5 déjà vu said:

your quote Minhth


"I feel the pressure of money upon the workers in Vietnam nowadays.


My country is among the poorest countries in the world. "'


are you talking about the about the golden friend workers ? would you accept a donation from some of us on this board?

I took it that MT was talking about the 2x2 workers.

However, it would be good to know if there was an easy mechanism for supporting the golden friends as they seek to spread the gospel in Vietnam.

The workers in America discourage the Friends from helping the poor Friends in other countries, because they fear people will profess and become "rice Christians."  In other words, they will profess for what they will receive materially. 

Hubert Childers would return from Haiti and tell us the most pitiful stories about the poor Friends there who didnt know where their next meal was coming from with numerous children and another on the way...and the American Friends hearing this wanted so badly to be able to help them--to send clothing, food, money, etc. but the Workers shut the door and we could not help. That never felt right.  It doesnt matter what the person receiving the gift does with it--Christians are instructed to give to those in need. And the Workers would not tell us how we could do so.

It is not scriptural to withhold material/monetary help when we see or know of a real need--for fear of that the other person will misuse it. 

MT:  please help us to help the poor Golden friends...tell us ways we can help them...what they need and where and how to send it.  We WANT the Golden Friends to prosper...we want to do what we can to help them.  God is moving us to do so.  Won't you please help us to do this? 

[minhthanh]

Minhthanh, does this relationship between the workers and friends feel a bit "hollow" (has a presence, but feels empty in the center)?



I really didn’t know if any root of “hollow” raise before the day uncle Châu was chased out. But after that day the ralationship among workers and workers with friends many times happened like that. (has a presence, but feels empty in the center).

The flock was devide into 3 parts.

1. Completely support to overseer.

2. Still in the fellowship but waiting for a new future, they do not satisfy with the situation. But always be there for “wait and see”… what will happen.

3. The golden friends continue go ahead. Never mind with what they are going to do, or afraid with any rule from man.

We satisfy for seeing God still take care and blessing us in our worship. We want to offer our very short time we have in this earth, no need to “wait and see” from the overseer system.

I’ll explain this “hollow” in another day.



Today I tell you uncle Hoa suggest as I promised yesterday.

Recently, when we asked uncle Hoa the reason why he decided to stop cooperating with The overseers in VN. He said “I had suggested something but they put it aside”. How can I cooperate with them if they never mind with any suggestions of mine.

For example I suggested “Don’t organize the special meeting at Hoi An, but Darrel did’nt care, still keep on. It cost a lot of money for workers being there but no professed folks in Hoi An”.

Uncle Hoa explained to us. Wokers (include visiter workers) had to fly to DaNang, then hired a van to Hoi An, stayed at Hotel… Not only cost a lot of money but also wasted time, just only for a very few friends near there. Very often the number of workers is more than friends in the special fellowship at Hoi An.

Although workers being there for years, but till now there is no one professed. Hoi An is an ancient city almost the people worship their ancestor. It also the special place for tourists with beaches and many resorts. You can click here to see.

www.tripadvisor.com/SmartDeals-g298082-Hoi_An_Quang_Nam_Province-Hotel-Deals.html

We all dream to be there for rest… but couldn’t for it cost a lot of money.

Seeing open the special meeting there not get any result in spiritual, for there is no professing friend. Workers often gathering at Hoi An for some other gathering, just among workers together, and have meals in luxury restaurants, too.

Uncle Hoa disagreed with the way overseer spent the money for these activities, it was not suitable with our poor country. The overseer didn’t care how poor and hard life of friends in the countryside with their needing help. (If any workers or friend help the poor friends. They will be criticized that using the money to buy the love and respect from friends.)

Never mind with what they said, we continued love and helped together if we could do, rather than using the money for enjoyment together.

As to me just like giving to the young workers enjoying and sharing the luxurious, if they were not being a worker they will never have chance to enjoy such a time like that.

Uncle Hoa said: Add one more place in the list of special meeting in VietNam, for people know the big numbers, but it not work in spiritual.

Overseers and workers around the world are praising Darrel’s work, for bringing a lot of young people to be workers. (According to what uncle Lyle talk to me).

Seeing all these things, my husband said “This is the overseer way, not God Way.”

[Deleted]

Agree with you completely, Cherie. Thank you for raising this issue. Once when good fortune smiled on us a long time ago for a bit, and before everything began going for uninsurable medical care at that time, Ylva and I felt moved to help the poverty stricken "friends" in Africa, with such things as used camp stoves, fuel for them, cookware, storage chests, and many other perfectly good Military "stand down items" including tropical clothing, which I could get for very very little, and package everything and ship in a freight container. Had everything arranged, prices committed to me, even some very good old military tents, etc. I cannot remember his last name any longer, but David" (he was a worker with whom I had been corresponding there) said absolutely NOT! (Shortly thereafter he died from altitude sickness climbing Mt K.) It was absolutely refused for the very same reason, and he even stated that he was afraid of making "bread and fish" disciples, or so he called them. Made us literally sick inside.

Now when all I have left are things, I wish I lived close enough to help those "golden" friends in Vietnam by sharing with them what I do have.

[minhthanh]

MT: please help us to help the poor Golden friends...tell us ways we can help them...what they need and where and how to send it. We WANT the Golden Friends to prosper...we want to do what we can to help them. God is moving us to do so. Won't you please help us to do this?



Oh dear…

We do appriciate all your pray, your love, and now your care for our life. Thanks for all your share in TMB, we received much encouragement in spiritual life. That more important than this temporary life. We feel happy with this simple life.

Proverbs 15: 17
Better is a dinner of herbs, where love is, Than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.

Proverbs 17:1
Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, Than a house full of feasting with strife.


We are afraid the money will destroy the very best as we see in 2x2.

[Deleted]

Feb 21, 2014 12:55:03 GMT -5 minhthanh said:

MT: please help us to help the poor Golden friends...tell us ways we can help them...what they need and where and how to send it. We WANT the Golden Friends to prosper...we want to do what we can to help them. God is moving us to do so. Won't you please help us to do this?



Oh dear…

We do appriciate all your pray, your love, and now your care for our life. Thanks for all your share in TMB, we received much encouragement in spiritual life. That more important than this temporary life. We feel happy with this simple life.

Proverbs 15: 17
Better is a dinner of herbs, where love is, Than a stalled ox and hatred therewith.

Proverbs 17:1
Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, Than a house full of feasting with strife.


We are afraid the money will destroy the very best as we see in 2x2.

Yes, Ma'am. However, even you wanted to help me in my desperate need, and found a way to do so, did you not? There is no difference that I can see. There needs be no strife and hatred, rather awareness of love and rejoicing, yes?

[CherieKropp]

MT - Are there any poor families who need medical treatment they cannot afford that we might could help? 

[CherieKropp]

Here are a number of verses the TLCers collected about giving to the needy...

Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

Proverbs 22:9 Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.

Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the man who had invited him, “When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”

Isaiah 58:10 If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.

Acts 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Luke 3:11 And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

Deuteronomy 15:7-11 If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

Deuteronomy 15:11 For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

Proverbs 14:21 Whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor.

1 Timothy 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Matthew 25:34-46 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?

Matthew 6:1-4 Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Matthew 22:37-39 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Acts 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Galatians 6:2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

Matthew 5:42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Proverbs 14:31 Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

Hebrews 13:16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

1 John 3:17-18 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

1 John 3:16 We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18 Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.…

2 Cor 9:6-7  Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

James 2:15-16 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace; be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what their body needs, what use is that?

MORE HERE:  home.snu.edu/~hculbert/poor.htm

[quizzer]

minhthanh, are you telling us that the workers hold worker meetings at luxurious resorts in Vietnam? I'm stunned - I've known folks who help poor folks in other countries, and then feel guilty about spending their last night in a hotel (having air-conditioning and running water while others do not). They only spend this last night in a hotel so that they're together and can make an early flight back to the States.

To do this, and not feel guilty...well, it's unthinkable to me.

[snow]

It seems very sad and hypocritical to me to hear that the workers will not allow the friends to help those in need when they expect to be supported by the friends for their every need!

[sharingtheriches]

Feb 21, 2014 16:53:23 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

MT - Are there any poor families who need medical treatment they cannot afford that we might could help? 

Cherie, as hard as I'd like to help these lovely people, we have to consider their side of the story as we can't know their handicaps via financial or goods gifts. Remember the lady who had children and when she was demanded to have a worker dinner she had to "borrow" money in order to buy the things to make that dinner and SHE LOST her governmental aid or stipend. So there is this kind of thing to consider!

IF MT and husband say okay in particular of something I'd think it would be wonderful, but I sure wouldn't want it to increase problems with their government....for it seems their government allows them some leeway to making their life the way they want it or at least in part to do so.

Just remembered that little incident with the VN woman with shilcren losing her avenue of funds simply because she had to borrow money to feed the overseer and his sidekick!

[sharingtheriches]

Feb 21, 2014 18:39:10 GMT -5 snow said:

It seems very sad and hypocritical to me to hear that the workers will not allow the friends to help those in need when they expect to be supported by the friends for their every need!

Snow, I've heard workers speaking to one another about this helping the poor etc and they tend to discuss this under the same scripture where Jesus told one of His Apostles not to be so hard against the woman who had come and broke the alabaster box of expensive myrrh...then he went on to tell them something about them always having the poor to tend to but they wouldn't always have him....for this was done for his burial...so it says in the gospels.