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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 8, 2014 2:06:16 GMT -5
Does this mean that he will be coming back to VN? When returning from Australia, uncle Chau had aconvention tour in Vietnam and finalized in Cambodia. After that he came back Vietnam and enjoyed the new lunar year ithere. According to the plan of overseer Lyle Schultz, he had to go to Cambodia to labour but the authorities don't allow so he is subject to stay in Vietnam. Their plan failed. Their plan failed.It is very evident that these foreigners have failed the members of the fellowship in many ways.
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 8, 2014 7:15:19 GMT -5
Knowing that Lyle Shutlz left Vietnam, we and our people are glad to have this information. These men such as Dale Schutlz, Lyle Schutlz, Darrel have destroyed the peace, the unity, the joy of the Vietnamese people. They have defended for their countrymen, their class of overseers. Bye,Bye! We need people who are willing to defend for the Kingdom of God Uncle Chau does not have the plan to go to Cambodia as a babysitter any more. Bravo!!! Do you know why my husband "Bravo!"? He "Bravo" because the authorities have been intervening. Today I'm busy a lot. Tomorrow we and some friends here will go to Suối Lạnh visiting the folks there. When coming back we will post some pictures of our visiting trip and tell you some interesting things.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 10:44:27 GMT -5
Knowing that Lyle Shutlz left Vietnam, we and our people are glad to have this information. These men such as Dale Schutlz, Lyle Schutlz, Darrel have destroyed the peace, the unity, the joy of the Vietnamese people. They have defended for their countrymen, their class of overseers. Bye,Bye! We need people who are willing to defend for the Kingdom of God Uncle Chau does not have the plan to go to Cambodia as a babysitter any more. Bravo!!! Do you know why my husband "Bravo!"? He "Bravo" because the authorities have been intervening. Today I'm busy a lot. Tomorrow we and some friends here will go to Suối Lạnh visiting the folks there. When coming back we will post some pictures of our visiting trip and tell you some interesting things. Wonderful news -- and will be looking forward to news of your trip to Suối Lạnh Edgar Some new updates
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 8, 2014 10:48:00 GMT -5
Does this mean that he will be coming back to VN? When returning from Australia, uncle Chau had aconvention tour in Vietnam and finalized in Cambodia. After that he came back Vietnam and enjoyed the new lunar year ithere. According to the plan of overseer Lyle Schultz, he had to go to Cambodia to labour but the authorities don't allow so he is subject to stay in Vietnam. Their plan failed. THIS Bears repeating! Thank you, XH! This made my day! Glory be to the Lord on high who has intervened by the authorities of the country!! Scott had said I think it was him wondering what the authorities in VN would say when they knew that foreigners were running the religion that the authorities had put uncle Chau in charge of.....I'm glad this has come to pass and I'm praying that uncle Chau will not suffer any thing more from it! I suspect that those foreigners were kicked out of VN by the authorities and perhaps no other foreigners will be allowed in VN that are of this 2x2 religion! I also had wondered if the poor lady who lost her governmental stipend taken away would reapply for it to be returned to her, that whoever investigated her situation would find out how the foreigner overseer had caused a lot of problems for the VN peoples!
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Post by snow on Feb 8, 2014 11:57:22 GMT -5
When returning from Australia, uncle Chau had aconvention tour in Vietnam and finalized in Cambodia. After that he came back Vietnam and enjoyed the new lunar year ithere. According to the plan of overseer Lyle Schultz, he had to go to Cambodia to labour but the authorities don't allow so he is subject to stay in Vietnam. Their plan failed. THIS Bears repeating! Thank you, XH! This made my day! Glory be to the Lord on high who has intervened by the authorities of the country!! Scott had said I think it was him wondering what the authorities in VN would say when they knew that foreigners were running the religion that the authorities had put uncle Chau in charge of.....I'm glad this has come to pass and I'm praying that uncle Chau will not suffer any thing more from it! I suspect that those foreigners were kicked out of VN by the authorities and perhaps no other foreigners will be allowed in VN that are of this 2x2 religion! I also had wondered if the poor lady who lost her governmental stipend taken away would reapply for it to be returned to her, that whoever investigated her situation would find out how the foreigner overseer had caused a lot of problems for the VN peoples! STR I don't see that any overseers were kicked out of VN. Just that Chau isn't allowed to go to Cambodia so they have to keep him in VN. Their plan to isolate him didn't work. Now I wonder what they will do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 12:09:49 GMT -5
I think it is wonderful that events seem to be turning out as they do -- and I rejoice with the rest of you. Yet the story isn't told as yet .. and I hope we never forget the most beautiful things that we have seen in these folks in the heart of adversity -- this is also Gods work. This is just as wonderful as any turn of events, in the politics of the forces around us. Let us never undervalue this, in our hopes for systematic change around us.
Edgar
Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 8, 2014 16:38:07 GMT -5
Ecclesiastes 9
New International Version (NIV)
Wisdom Better Than Folly
13 I also saw under the sun this example of wisdom that greatly impressed me: 14 There was once a small city with only a few people in it. And a powerful king came against it, surrounded it and built huge siege works against it. 15 Now there lived in that city a man poor but wise, and he saved the city by his wisdom. But nobody remembered that poor man.16 So I said, “Wisdom is better than strength.” But the poor man’s wisdom is despised, and his words are no longer heeded.
17 The quiet words of the wise are more to be heeded than the shouts of a ruler of fools.
18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war,
but one sinner destroys much good.
This message in the Bible come to my mind when I reread the letter uncle Hoa replying to my letter at the the time uncle Châu was chased out.
From: James nth_08 [mailto:jamesnth08@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:35 AM
To: hoanthanhbn
Subject: Da duoc tho em.
Cac em HT than men,
Anh da doc ky tho em T viet. Co le anh nen khuyen cac em giu yen lang ma cau nguyen va cho doi y Chua.
Anh Chau la nguoi trong cuoc ma anh da yen lang thi chung la nguoi ben ngoai khong nen lam cho khuay dong len.
Chung co long tin, tin rang Ngai la Dang cong binh, Ngai co cach ky dieu cua Ngai ma thuong thi chung ta chi chiem
nghiem duoc khi su viiec da ket cuc.
Qui luat GIEO-GAT cua Chua rat la nghiem minh. Va pham su viec gi cung co ky cua no.
Moi ly le xuat phat tu TAI SAO - BOI VI luon pho ra sua thieu sot. Chi co su yeu thuong de cam thong moi la thoa dang
trong moi hoan canh ma thoi. Anh ngung lai day. A. H.
I have read your letter carefully. Perhaps I should advise you to keep silent, pray, and wait for the will of God.
Brother Chau is a person with his own troubles but chooses not to voice those troubles out loud. But since we are outsiders to his troubles and thus not able to comprehend what he is going through; we should keep out of his business.
We must have faith and trust in God, that God is righteous. While Brother Chau is in his time of difficulty, we must place our trust in God and for God to bring Brother Chau's troubles to an end.
The law of SOWING & REAPING of God is very strict and clear. Everything has its own timing.
Any arguments originate from WHY-BECAUSE always expose its lacking. The fact that only by the love we can have the sympathy is satisfactory in any circumstances.
I would like to stop here
Brother Hoa (A.H)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2014 16:37:34 GMT -5
Minh Thanh -- Looking forward to the translation -- I tryed Google translator - but it didn't help much!! However I did enjoy the verses you quoted.
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 10, 2014 8:57:43 GMT -5
We traveled more than 140 km to meet our friends in Suối Lạnh. The local friends were very happy because after more than 4 years, they had a gathering with many friends from many other places. Uncle Hoa often visit them. They live in a remote, deserted place without electricity. The Van cannot reach their houses because they live in the middle of rubber forest. Here are some pictures of them 1. The van must stop here. It can not move any farther.2.At this place, we divided into two groups. The young and strong in walking group, the other transit by motorbikes. 3.A lot of motorbikes are ready. 4.A long line of motorbikes. 5.Friends ready for fellowship meeting. Uncle Hoa preaching. 6.Having the meal together7.A picture in front of the new house. 8.Four new converts with uncle Hoa 9.Uncle Hoa with uncle Trọng who is a sister worker's father. 10.Uncle Trọng and his niece 11.In the car on the way home. 12.My mother 82 years old. 13.We are full of joy.We had a wonderful time with each other. All friends worked closely together, reminded me a hymn "Cooperate together in serving God. Side by side in any situation sharing joy and sadness..." One elder went to the main road waiting for the van, and leading the way. (No one in the van remembered the way, because it was changed). We contacted by phone time to time. We couldn't imagine how God had done for us. He made our cup overwhelm with His blessing. 1. We have 25 friends from Saigon. We share the money for hire the van. 2. More than 10 motobikes are waiting for carrying the old or weak friends. 6. Almost the food were cooked by friends there, with the help of some sisters in other places. I brought sticky rice only. 8. Last time when uncle Hoa visited here there were 3 souls professing. Yesterday added one more, who stands behind uncle Hoa. His mother is the daughter of the landlord, not in the picture. He has been hearing the gospel more than 10 years. His mother's testimony in tear was "I have been praying for my son more than 10 years. Today, my son has decided along with me to serve God. God have replied my prayer... I would be more faithful to give an example for my son serving God." 9. Uncle Trọng is my auntie's husband. One of his daughters is a worker, a great help to Darrel. His family was divided by this situation. He and his oldest daughter's family still keep on. The other daughters caused many troubles for him, whenever he wanted to join with us in special visit. 10. Mrs Bình, an ex.elder's wife is Mr Trọng's niece. Although uncle Trọng's daughter had spent a lot of money to take care for his heath. But he just wanted to stay with his niece Bình. He said he can find love and peace at her home. 12. The most worry of mine was the health of my parents, special my mother. On the way home I asked her "Are you tired?" She said "Yes, I am tired". Then I took a picture of her. But I hardly found out any tiredness in her face. She told me that "I'm tired but full of joy." I do agree with my mother. 13. Now I show you the picture we are full of joy.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 10, 2014 11:02:54 GMT -5
Thank you for the interpretation of the letter, MT and friend. I'd like to quote it alone here in English...I would love for all to see the love of God working in uncle Hoa even in his spirit toward a co-worker and perhaps a best friend in eras past!
"I have read your letter carefully. Perhaps I should advise you to keep silent, pray, and wait for the will of God.
Brother Chau is a person with his own troubles but chooses not to voice those troubles out loud. But since we are outsiders to his troubles and thus not able to comprehend what he is going through; we should keep out of his business.
We must have faith and trust in God, that God is righteous. While Brother Chau is in his time of difficulty, we must place our trust in God and for God to bring Brother Chau's troubles to an end.
The law of SOWING & REAPING of God is very strict and clear. Everything has its own timing.
Any arguments originate from WHY-BECAUSE always expose its lacking. The fact that only by the love we can have the sympathy is satisfactory in any circumstances.
I would like to stop here
Brother Hoa (A.H)"
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 10, 2014 19:00:15 GMT -5
The fellowship at Suối Lạnh just a common visit of friends only. Not a special gathering, I was impressed with amount of friends wanting to come. I hardly believed our Sunday fellowship over 50 friends with harmony of love and unity among worker, elders, and friends. All members working together with whole heart.
Today I want to tell you the work of an elder couple Quang & Thủy live in Sông Ray. They are a great help to worker at any time. Quang’s brother also an elder and his niece is a young worker.
Since the time uncle Châu meet trouble, Quang & Thủy continue in the fellowship faithfully with F&W. Hearing uncle Hoa stopped co-operate with Darrel, he disagreed and raised many questions toward our situation in VN by letters or through phone. We had a visit with friends there on August 2010, Quang & Thủy invited us passing a night at their house. Of course many friends in the countryside didn’t know the reason why uncle Châu had to stop his work. Just heared the information from their workers. Somtimes it was not right in details or made up story only. Hearing the other side from us they was supprised… Then Q&T raised many questions to overseer and workers. Uncle Lyles answer did not satisfy them. So they had decided not to co-operate with any sides. Just both of them worship God with his true spirit and whole heart. They cut off all connection with F&W in a year, without any phone or discussion. Just wait and see what happenned.
After one year they decided to have fellowship with us for seeing uncle Hoa calmly continued his sacrifice for friends and lost souls around the country as he used to be. Special his message are full with the Spirit of God.
Now they are the great help to God’s family at that region, including Suối Lạnh (nearly 30Km far from Sông Rây). He undertakes all things and works very good. He has not been working alone, asking friends to cooperate with him in God’s work too. That is the reason why the church there is growing up.
We have 4 added within 3 months.
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 10, 2014 20:34:13 GMT -5
It sounds like your fellowship is really growing MT! I think that is great! People are attracted to those who show something in their lives that others want in theirs. It really points out that you are following and showing the gospel message.
I am really glad that your group is having such wonderful fellowship together, and I enjoy reading about how well things are going for you there.
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 11, 2014 0:37:29 GMT -5
It sounds like your fellowship is really growing MT! I think that is great! People are attracted to those who show something in their lives that others want in theirs. It really points out that you are following and showing the gospel message. I am really glad that your group is having such wonderful fellowship together, and I enjoy reading about how well things are going for you there. Yes, we are full of happiness to see the work of God among our elders and friends. There are ten elders in the picture number (7). Three elders couldn't come for the long distances and being sick. The same row with uncle Hoa, on his left there are Mr Báu, Mr Trọng, Mr Mãnh, Mr Quang. On uncle Hoa's right are Mr Giáo, Mr Đức, Mr Thi. Behind uncle Hoa, my husband stands between Mr Tân & Mr Khanh. We all stand by The Truth, look foward to Jesus's leading. In the fellowship we sang the song saying "I am happy being in God's hand, Peacefully knowing that He plans anything for me, my future in God's preserve..." There are some unprofessed people also sitting and hearing. One among which is my friend through many years. We continue praying for them...
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 11, 2014 1:09:58 GMT -5
"I am happy being in God's hand, Peacefully knowing that He plans anything for me, my future in God's preserve..."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 10:53:29 GMT -5
It sounds like your fellowship is really growing MT! I think that is great! People are attracted to those who show something in their lives that others want in theirs. It really points out that you are following and showing the gospel message. I am really glad that your group is having such wonderful fellowship together, and I enjoy reading about how well things are going for you there. Yes, we are full of happiness to see the work of God among our elders and friends. There are ten elders in the picture number (7). Three elders couldn't come for the long distances and being sick. The same row with uncle Hoa, on his left there are Mr Báu, Mr Trọng, Mr Mãnh, Mr Quang. On uncle Hoa's right are Mr Giáo, Mr Đức, Mr Thi. Behind uncle Hoa, my husband stands between Mr Tân & Mr Khanh. We all stand by The Truth, look foward to Jesus's leading. In the fellowship we sang the song saying "I am happy being in God's hand, Peacefully knowing that He plans anything for me, my future in God's preserve..." There are some unprofessed people also sitting and hearing. One among which is my friend through many years. We continue praying for them... Wonderful that you could all be together as you were -- and wonderful for Hoa to see the proof of Gods leading, and see the support you all are interested in giving the 'good work'!!
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 11, 2014 11:21:50 GMT -5
Heard Sister Worker Muriel Corcoran will soon be going to VN to try to help straighten matters out.
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Heard Sister Worker Muriel Corcoran will soon be going to VN to try to help straighten matters out. I wouldn't be surprised the Americans are taken the lead of the work in Vietnam now. I knew Muriel's parents and her when I was living in Washington state 1980-86. She is a VERY good sister to sent to Vietnam, VERY humble, meek, approachable sister worker. We have many good brothers in Washington State, Montana and Wy to sent to VN. I hope they will work together with Oregon staff... We have some fine brothers and sisters to help out too! I had mentioned to Harold B. about the Mess in Vietnam recently at Boring convention, asking him for help, getting in touch with those in charge and see what he could do to ease the tension. Just wait patiently... God's timing is the BEST for those who wait on Him. Why don't they let the Vietnamese straighten it out themselves --- Why do the Americans or foreigners feel they are indispensable and must do things that the Vietnamese are incapable of doing themselves. Seems that the Vietnamese, (Hoa at least) seem to be doing quite well on their own, without either Americans or Canadians at all. Seems like the typical western world 2x2 mindset -- "We are the savior of the earth!!!!! The gospel doesn't come, until we come!!! Why is the urgency of sending a new foreigner in, instead of letting Hoa and Chau decide what is best. Another American effort to be the moral kings for the rest of the world?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 12:18:25 GMT -5
Why don't they let the Vietnamese straighten in out themselves --- Why do the Americans or foreigners feel they are indispensable and must do things that the Vietnamese can't do without them. Seems that the Vietnamese, (Hoa at least) seem to be doing quite well on their own, without either Americans or Canadians at all. Seems like the typical western world 2x2 mindset -- "We are the savior of the earth!!!!! The gospel doesn't come, until we come!!! I hope the Americans will let uncle Chau be the leader, and they come in as helpers to Him... With the foreigners, they have the world wide connection of the workers around the world. They can be of a great help with the friends trust funds, bringing in workers from other countries to help in VN, sending the VN workers to other countries for conventions, rotating workers in and out of VN, etc. There we have it --- It is the money that is the issue!!!! No wonder 2x2ism is falling apart where ever it goes these days. Seems that the example that Minh Thanh shared earlier today works well without the trust funds of North American. And by the sound of things the money issues from Darrel Turners days only compounded the irritations. It is the 'worker rotation' that is the major problem Nathan, it has been only used as a weapon!!! -- And Nathan, since when is the convention system part of the teaching of Christ? Seems to me that the work of God in Vietnam WITHOUT 2x2ism works far better, and is much more in line with the spirit of Christ than 2x2ism ever is. Why would anyone want it back again to interfere in the wonderful work that we see there now? It has been clearly proven how well things work, once the ugly leaven of 2x2ism has been removed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 12:38:10 GMT -5
There we have it --- It is the money that is the issue!!!! No wonder 2x2ism is falling apart where ever it goes these days. Seems that the example that Minh Thanh shared earlier today works well without the trust funds of North American. And by the sound of things the money issues from Darrel Turners days only compounded the irritations. It is the 'worker rotation' that is the major problem Nathan, it has been only used as a weapon!!! -- And Nathan, since when is the convention system part of the teaching of Christ? Many 2x2s have come to Christ, through attending conventions and I was one of them who professed at Guam first convention. Conventions are special time of fellowship between God, and believers, believers and believers, and time for outsiders in hearing the gospel and to express their desire to follow Jesus.... To answer your question " Nathan, since when is the convention system part of the teaching of Christ?" I would say "YES, definitely!" We read in Acts 2 where 120 the apostles and disciples gathered in a home to worship God and having fellowship with one another.... through this gathering... The Holy Spirit blessed them and 3000 souls were added to the fellowship. My question was where did Jesus teach the virtues of the convention system? Why the need of American control and why the need of American money??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 12:46:33 GMT -5
Nathan check this out and try and tell me that 2x2ism with all its corruption and sickening examples of the basest of vice, is a better option. www.2x2vietnam.info/VisitToTheFriendsByBus.htmThe utter ungodliness of 2x2ism is well documented -- and hardly anything any of us would wish to return to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 13:32:38 GMT -5
~~~ Where do you think Jesus and the apostles get their foods to eat? Without MONEY they can't travel, eat, and find a place to sleep....It was through free willing offerings, donations, from his own followers and strangers in Luke (8:1-3)
Paul and his co-workers traveled in ships, through many places, cities, towns, and countries! in their 3 journey in the book of Acts. It takes a lot of MONEY! to take the gospel of Christ to ALL nations until His return.
Uncle Chau is getting older, one of these days he will be no longer to continue in the work. Uncle Hoa is no longer a 2x2 worker for 4 yrs. We have only 1 younger native brother worker, Cuong. He doesn't have a respect from the Vietnamese friends for some of his unwise behaviors. We NEED the Americans to help Uncle Chau to rebuilt and sending more Vietnamese brothers workers on the staff. So, someday they can be like Uncle Chau to have the responsibility of the work in VN.
I seriously doubt if Jesus and his disciples needed the trust funds from America to get food to eat --- And from what I understand and from what I see in the accounts from Vietnam, there is no lack of food for Hoa or for the other friends that share the gospel of Christ together with .. www.2x2vietnam.info/visitpix/-viewer.asp?slide=2The fact that Hoa and Chau are ageing is hardly a fact that they have a monopoly on -- so are both you and I -- As far as I know American workers also get older with time but the renewal with younger people seems to be less of a problem in Vietnam than in most of the hardline 2x2 political regions. Here was an encouraging pix with this thought in mind 'Four new friends'-- www.2x2vietnam.info/visitpix/-viewer.asp?slide=7 Why you would think that Vietnam needs the Americans to build the Christian work in Vietnam is about as presumtious as can be. As I understand it, the California leadership is directly responsible for most of the problems there -- (and all around the world it could seem.) My hope is that they will stay at home and try to fix their own fences, instead 'encompassing sea and land' to mind other countries business.Edgar Matt 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 13:48:44 GMT -5
If Uncle Hoa and the 100 golden friends don't want to return then let us part ways in good terms. This is a rather late effort to imply parting on good terms --- 2x2ism has belligerently broken down every Christian principle these folks have striven for, it has indecently pushed them away from their closest friends and families, and then showed utter contempt for every effort these folks have shown to live simple basic Christianity -- Now when these intruding workers have to leave with their tail between their legs, say "Let's part on good terms"!! Is there no decency at all in 2x2ism?
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Post by fixit on Feb 11, 2014 14:03:26 GMT -5
Nathan check this out and try and tell me that 2x2ism with all its corruption and sickening examples of the basest of vice, is a better option. www.2x2vietnam.info/VisitToTheFriendsByBus.htmThe utter ungodliness of 2x2ism is well documented -- and hardly anything any of us would wish to return to. I hope Uncle Chau will visit with Uncle Hoa and the 100 golden friends to see they can mend things. It would be great to find out where they stand now. Do they want to return to the fellowship, since the Canadian workers are out of picture, and things will get back like the old days... If Uncle Hoa and the 100 golden friends don't want to return then let us part ways in good terms.Have the Canadian workers left Vietnam? Is Dale Shultz no longer interfering in Vietnam?
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Post by fixit on Feb 11, 2014 14:05:33 GMT -5
Uncle Chau is getting older, one of these days he will be no longer to continue in the work. Uncle Hoa is no longer a 2x2 worker for 4 yrs now. We have only 1 younger native brother worker, Cuong. He doesn't have a respect from the Vietnamese friends for some of his unwise behaviors. We NEED the Americans to help Uncle Chau to rebuilt and sending more Vietnamese brothers workers on the staff. So, someday they can be like Uncle Chau to have the responsibility of the work in VN. Does Uncle Chau have the responsibility of the work in Vietnam?
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Edgar, you look at the 2x2 as the whole group! half empty glass... I see as half full glass. There are MANY good workers and the friends among us are serving God with godly fear, than the bad ones among us. You focus TOO much on the negatives! No wonder you're too depressed, unhappy with 2x2s, 99% of the time on TMB. Nathan, I have no issue with the friends and workers of 2x2ism -- Even the ones responsible for the enormous mess within the group now, are doing it under complete illusion and deception -- They are completely convinced they are doing the right thing. The issue is the basic doctrine of 2x2ism that tends to infect all those who allow it too close to their hearts. The self-righteous doctrine(we are the only folks in the world right with God), and the countless examples of 100% hypocrisy, along with the fixation on outward appearance and basic dishonesty, clearly disqualify the doctrine from any association with the basic simple and beautiful Christian spirit that Jesus died to leave with us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 14:25:31 GMT -5
..... They are working and trying to clean up the MESS in Vietnam. Nathan, Who are the 'They' you are referring to? Isn't it true, that it is the same people that made the mess in the first place?
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 11, 2014 14:28:42 GMT -5
Feb 12, 2014 0:18:25 GMT 7 edgarmassey said:
Seems to me that the work of God in Vietnam WITHOUT 2x2ism works far better, and is much more in line with the spirit of Christ than 2x2ism ever is. Why would anyone want it back again to interfere in the wonderful work that we see there now? It has been clearly proven how well things work, once the ugly leaven of 2x2ism has been removed.
I wish if uncle Châu doesn't ask me not mention about his situation on the board, for I can freely post the true picture among F&W in Viet Nam in present.
One time I was asked "How do you do if all the foreigner workers out of VN ?". I remembered uncle Châu had said to me in the past if that event happenned in VN. "They will control from the distance".
So my reply was "I am on The Way of God and under the leading of The Spirit of God.
John14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. " I can not turn my decision to any way except the way of Jesus, and his example for me to know how to serve our God. I don't want to put my life under any ruling of man, just under the ruling of God had written in the Bible.
I am only willing to go along with those who are under the leading of God, in spite of they are Vietnamese or foreigner."
Reading in John 17 Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one...
Seeing the treating of overseers and workers in VN to uncle Châu in the past till now, I don't see any love or unity among them. Instead of unity in love as Jesus prayed and demanded, workers try to find out fault of others made more division. How can we put our souls in the leading of the group like that !!!.
We would like to be in hard condition with love like we have had in the past than with rich people without of any love and unity.
17 Better is a dinner of herbs, where love is, Than a stalled ox and hatred therewith
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Feb 11, 2014 15:12:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 15:12:46 GMT -5
They= Dale, Lyle S. Passing the torch to the New ones/workers who come to VN. The New ones, hopefully will NOT try to repeat the Canadian workers mistakes. I believe Mike T. and another sister worker in Washington state, who had labored in VN would have told whoever in charge NOW, PLENTY stories of what was going in VN. I wouldn't be surprised once Mike T. get all rested up will return to VN again. The thought of returning to VN again will give Mike, a boost in the arm to regain his health quicker to labor for the people whom he loves dearly. So you are saying that "They" are the same folks who have been responsible for the mess making decisions in the first place - And that 'they' still will try keep the power position by appointing their own people to impliment their own policies. And still keep the whole thing under their control by controling access to the trust funds you mentioned before. Doesn't sound like much of a change to me. Different checkers on the same board, moved around by the same players!!!
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