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Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 6, 2014 19:54:16 GMT -5
Based on what I have read, they don't think that those foreign workers are 'of God', based on their lack of love and care for the friends. I don't think the issue is with the friends, nor is it with the way they worship. The problem lies directly on the shoulders of those who came and destroyed the fellowship that they had prior to the foreign workers imposing their will on the church. As soon as the government is made aware that the one listed as the representative is no longer in the country, and that foreigners are telling this church registered in Vietnam what they must do...... then I would think that the legal registration will probably be transferred to those native workers who represent the fellowship in Vietnam. I am guessing that would be Hoa, as he is still a worker carrying out the work there in Vietnam. Just say that ALL the foreigner Canadian workers leave Vietnam right now... Vietnam will NEVER be the same AGAIN. Uncle Chau and uncle Hoa do not see thing and believe thing in the same way like they use to. They have gone their separate ways. The same with 100 golden friends and the current friends and workers in Vietnam. Their visions and their love for one another have changed. This is what I have heard from one of the Vietnamese friends at Boring Convention recently also. The atmosphere in Vietnam is very tense, too many factions, division among the 100 golden friends and the workers. The friends, some of the church elders are against the workers. The workers against the golden friends. Now, he is not looking forward going back to visit Vietnam because all of the turmoil over there. According to Paul in the NT schisms and divisions sometimes are necessary....didn't Paul write to one of his convert churches and say "17In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval"(I Cor. 11) I believe that if the interfering materialistic proud rulers from Canada were to leave and no possibility they'd reappear for a time, that Uncle Chau and Uncle Hoa would work together as always....for number one uncle Chau has not disregarded uncle Hoa's decision or made light of it. Also I believe it is the same from uncle Hoa toward uncle Chau.....UNLESS the horrible acts continue to suck the life out of uncle Chau. Talking about uncle Mike T being as a beaten man, so is uncle Chau...however though uncle Hoa has found the freedom from the oppression by making his mind up that he IS going to follow Jesus Christ and ONLY Jesus Christ.... Nathan, that is the most liberating spiritual action I've ever known...to be free from the exclusiveness, the unlovingness, the dictatorship, nepotism....btw I think shortly after I read all about William Irvine on TTT esp. John Long's Journal, etc I came to the full realization that William Irvine was one using nepotism and also that he had some serious mental deviations....though I'm not discounting his real desire to do things as he thought he was supposed to do!
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Feb 6, 2014 21:00:12 GMT -5
Post by Scott Ross on Feb 6, 2014 21:00:12 GMT -5
Based on what I have read, they don't think that those foreign workers are 'of God', based on their lack of love and care for the friends. I don't think the issue is with the friends, nor is it with the way they worship. The problem lies directly on the shoulders of those who came and destroyed the fellowship that they had prior to the foreign workers imposing their will on the church. As soon as the government is made aware that the one listed as the representative is no longer in the country, and that foreigners are telling this church registered in Vietnam what they must do...... then I would think that the legal registration will probably be transferred to those native workers who represent the fellowship in Vietnam. I am guessing that would be Hoa, as he is still a worker carrying out the work there in Vietnam. Just say that ALL the foreigner Canadian workers leave Vietnam right now... Vietnam will NEVER be the same AGAIN. Uncle Chau and uncle Hoa do not see thing and believe thing in the same way like they use to. They have gone their separate ways. The same with 100 golden friends and the current friends and workers in Vietnam. Their visions and their love for one another have changed. This is what I have heard from one of the Vietnamese friends at Boring Convention recently also. The atmosphere in Vietnam is very tense, too many factions, division among the 100 golden friends and the workers. The friends, some of the church elders are against the workers. The workers against the golden friends. Now, he is not looking forward going back to visit Vietnam because all of the turmoil over there. Are you sure that Hoa and Chau see things that differently? Perhaps Chau is more in alignment with Hoa than we might think, and is hoping that by staying in and being treated like crap by the foreigners, at some point he might be able to bring people back together. I would think that the issues in Vietnam would make other professing people to WANT to go visit, and to show their support for the true friends who are following Christ and not men. It sounds like their fellowship is more in alignment with scripture than whatever it is that the foreigners are trying to do there. I think that any foreign workers involved in this mess should be removed from their easy positions and sent to Cambodia, where they don't know the language, and given a bicycle and a couple of dollars.
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Feb 6, 2014 21:45:53 GMT -5
Post by Lee on Feb 6, 2014 21:45:53 GMT -5
According to Paul in the NT schisms and divisions sometimes are necessary....didn't Paul write to one of his convert churches and say "17In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval"(I Cor. 11) One of the most intriguing statements of the NT.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 7:17:44 GMT -5
I want to close my post here as the end of the letter of a sister worker Mango Chango (aka) SW (A victim of an 2x2 overseer.) I realize you all can & will pick this apart and put it back together 100 different ways & you are all entitled to your opinion of whether or not I'm lying or not & whether or not Mr Lyle is really like that. Go ahead if it makes you feel better, it doesn't change the facts and it does not change what happened. Minh thanh, this quote from the sister worker victim of something in 2x2ism, awoke some strong feelings of memories within me .. and I am sure that many of us others whom 2x2ism has rejected share the feeling. Obviously you do as well. The painful frustration of being regarded as fantisizing, imagining things -- and exagerating in a 'bad spirit' when the reality of events is so clear and evidence is so obvious. One of the main traits of the 2x2 mindset is to "only believe what you want to believe" -- and this is actually taught as a virtue in 2x2 doctrine. This quality has been twisted into a dishonest label of "Trusting the will of God and proving ones faith in Gods not questiong his leading" Resistance to any form of critical thinking regarding anything within the group, regardless the reality of it, is enormous. By the way what has happened to this sister worker you quoted?
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 7, 2014 7:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 7:59:44 GMT -5
"Like" is not accurate, rather, "understand and agree with."
It is the concept of "killing off of one's own wounded" that I detest and do NOT agree with that is such a sad practice to me!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 9:34:18 GMT -5
Thanks Minh Thanh for the link -- I have become aware of much of the corruption in 2x2ism -- but just this story I have somehow missed before. But it surely does underline the capacity within 2x2ism to ingore and conceal the truth.
Edgar
By the way Clearday--- I can't seen to find this story on WingsForTruth -- Have I missed,it or is it not there because of some kind of a policy thing?
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Post by xuanhoan on Feb 7, 2014 9:58:30 GMT -5
Knowing that Lyle Shutlz left Vietnam, we and our people are glad to have this information. These men such as Dale Schutlz, Lyle Schutlz, Darrel have destroyed the peace, the unity, the joy of the Vietnamese people. They have defended for their countrymen, their class of overseers. Bye,Bye! We need people who are willing to defend for the Kingdom of God Uncle Chau does not have the plan to go to Cambodia as a babysitter any more. Bravo!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 11:05:20 GMT -5
Thanks Minh Thanh for the link -- I have become aware of much of the corruption in 2x2ism -- but just this story I have somehow missed before. But it surely does underline the capacity within 2x2ism to ingore and conceal the truth. Edgar By the way Clearday--- I can't seen to find this story on WingsForTruth -- Have I missed,it or is it not there because of some kind of a policy thing? The WINGS mandate is child abuse, and primarily child sexual abuse. It does not cover adult crimes.
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Feb 7, 2014 11:09:56 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Feb 7, 2014 11:09:56 GMT -5
Knowing that Lyle Shutlz left Vietnam, we and our people are glad to have this information. These men such as Dale Schutlz, Lyle Schutlz, Darrel have destroyed the peace, the unity, the joy of the Vietnamese people. They have defended for their countrymen, their class of overseers. Bye,Bye! We need people who are willing to defend for the Kingdom of God Uncle Chau does not have the plan to go to Cambodia as a babysitter any more. Bravo!!! Does this mean that he will be coming back to VN?
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Feb 7, 2014 11:10:21 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 11:10:21 GMT -5
Knowing that Lyle Shutlz left Vietnam, we and our people are glad to have this information. These men such as Dale Schutlz, Lyle Schutlz, Darrel have destroyed the peace, the unity, the joy of the Vietnamese people. They have defended for their countrymen, their class of overseers. Bye,Bye! We need people who are willing to defend for the Kingdom of God Uncle Chau does not have the plan to go to Cambodia as a babysitter any more. Bravo!!! If the Schultz group has decided to give up the overseership of VN, that is the only possible solution to the problem there. There is no way they could have fixed it. If they take the role of servants and helpers to the VN people, perhaps they can do some good, but not as rulers with money and power.
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Feb 7, 2014 11:11:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 11:11:12 GMT -5
Knowing that Lyle Shutlz left Vietnam, we and our people are glad to have this information. These men such as Dale Schutlz, Lyle Schutlz, Darrel have destroyed the peace, the unity, the joy of the Vietnamese people. They have defended for their countrymen, their class of overseers. Bye,Bye! We need people who are willing to defend for the Kingdom of God Uncle Chau does not have the plan to go to Cambodia as a babysitter any more. Bravo!!! Does this mean that he will be coming back to VN? I think it means he hadn't gone back to Cambodia yet so will remain in VN, the way I read it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 11:15:01 GMT -5
Knowing that Lyle Shutlz left Vietnam, we and our people are glad to have this information. These men such as Dale Schutlz, Lyle Schutlz, Darrel have destroyed the peace, the unity, the joy of the Vietnamese people. They have defended for their countrymen, their class of overseers. Bye,Bye! We need people who are willing to defend for the Kingdom of God Uncle Chau does not have the plan to go to Cambodia as a babysitter any more. Bravo!!! Chao anh xuanhoan, Do you mean, Lyle S. has left VN for good or just going back home for a yr. visit? Wow! That is a miracle if they had removed him from VN. I heard Dean B. was in VN recently, I hope he would take over the leadership in VN. He and Mike T. were on the same staff in Washington State. Dean B. is a VERY GODLY man and a true servant of God. Dean B should not "take over the leadership in VN". No matter how nice he is, it is a mistake. The VN church is well developed and clearly a mature group of people in the way they reacted to wrong activities, so they don't need any foreigners to rule over them. VN spent practically a century trying to get rid of the French rulers, then another couple of decades getting rid of the American rulers. If the F&W have now gotten rid of the Canadians, it should stay that way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 11:28:28 GMT -5
Dean B should not "take over the leadership in VN". No matter how nice he is, it is a mistake. The VN church is well developed and clearly a mature group of people in the way they reacted to wrong activities, so they don't need any foreigners to rule over them. VN spent practically a century trying to get rid of the French rulers, then another couple of decades getting rid of the American rulers. If the F&W have now gotten rid of the Canadians, it should stay that way. I disagree with you, Chau is getting older now. They need a good, godly overseer to help in VN for now, until they can raise another Vietnamese Uncle Chau over there to guide the work. They have only one brother beside, Chau and that is Cuong (30's), who is not trust worthy among the friends and workers right now, unless he changes his behaviors. If they sent an overseer who was willing to work with Chau to straight out and cleam up the MESS in Vietnam, then that is VERY good idea.The reason why your idea won't work is like this Nathan: Westerners are like a person who tries to fasten a screw with a hammer, not a screwdriver. They don't have the right tools. Chau and Hoa have the right tools for the job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 11:36:40 GMT -5
I disagree with you, Chau is getting older now. They need a good, godly overseer to help in VN for now, until they can raise another Vietnamese Uncle Chau over there to guide the work. They have only one brother beside, Chau and that is Cuong (30's), who is not trust worthy among the friends and workers right now, unless he changes his behaviors. If they sent an overseer who was willing to work with Chau to straight out and cleam up the MESS in Vietnam, then that is VERY good idea. The reason why your idea won't work is like this Nathan: Westerners are like a person who tries to fasten a screw with a hammer, not a screwdriver. They don't have the right tools. Chau and Hoa have the right tools for the job. Based on recent outcome, I'd say the VN fellowship needs another Uncle Hoa.
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Feb 7, 2014 12:00:26 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Feb 7, 2014 12:00:26 GMT -5
It seems that whomever they send, should be sent as a helper to Uncle Chau.
Same as when ET had helpers, as well as Dick Middleton, almost until the day they died.
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Feb 7, 2014 13:04:28 GMT -5
Post by snow on Feb 7, 2014 13:04:28 GMT -5
The reason why your idea won't work is like this Nathan: Westerners are like a person who tries to fasten a screw with a hammer, not a screwdriver. They don't have the right tools. Chau and Hoa have the right tools for the job. NOT all westerners workers are like Darrel T. and Lyle S.... There are good, God fearing workers out there such as Mike T. Craig Jacobsen, Jay Wicks, Dean B. and so on... Unlce Hoa is no longer a 2x2 worker, for 4 yrs now. I hope he will change his mind and come back to help the work in VN again. If he does change his mind that would be awesome. Hopefully, all of the 100 golden friends will return also so they can continue to enjoy their golden time like the old days. Let us wait and see which worker, they will replace Lyle S. in VN. I believe this time they will be VERY careful, who they sent to VN. They don't want to MESS up for the third time. God is awesome! Great, and Wonderful,Uncle Chau was right by waiting patiently for God to open another door for VN and him to walk through.You know what would be even better Nathan? That all the current 'friends' join the Golden Friends and leave the workers behind to stew in their own corruptness. Then Hoa and Chau could be their workers and any from the other group of workers that don't agree with the corrupt workers could join them. Then it would be good, because the corrupt workers would have no one left to preach to, control etc. Then maybe they would have to work for more recruits or just go home where they belong.
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Feb 7, 2014 13:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by jondough on Feb 7, 2014 13:14:17 GMT -5
It seems that whomever they send, should be sent as a helper to Uncle Chau. Same as when ET had helpers, as well as Dick Middleton, almost until the day they died. Amen, let uncle Chau be the leader for now. Uncle Chau, knows how to fix things, He knows about most of the friends and the workers over there, and where the problems are... The New overseer, go there to support as helper to uncle Chau for now, until he learns all the ropes so he could get a better grasp of the situation, the Vietnamese people, their culture, and how they think and do things over there. It takes time to learn the Vietnamese language, hopefully he can learn it quickly while he be as Chau's helper. When Uncle Chau is no longer able for the work then the New Overseer has a good grasp of the work in VN by then. During these periods, they can teach and groom a Vietnamese brother to be the leader in the near future...He has also demonstrated the spirit of a child. He has submitted to those whom most would have fought. He has maintained a good report with those of the Golden Friends. From what I've seen, even though he submitted to the Canadian overseers, there is hardly a person that can speak negative of him. Even upon the separation from the Golden Friends, it is obvious that his love has not diminished one iota for them. It is this type of child like spirit that needs to be in charge over there. One that will watch over them in love. Make decisions out of love for those people. He has an obvious love for God/Christ. This coupled together with a love for ALL the people there in both groups, along with his child like nature. The result will bring Joy to the heart of God.
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 7, 2014 13:16:25 GMT -5
It seems that whomever they send, should be sent as a helper to Uncle Chau. Same as when ET had helpers, as well as Dick Middleton, almost until the day they died. Amen, let uncle Chau be the leader for now. Uncle Chau, knows how to fix things, He knows about most of the friends and the workers over there, and where the problems are... The New overseer, go there to support as helper to uncle Chau for now, until he learns all the ropes so he could get a better grasp of the situation, the Vietnamese people, their culture, and how they think and do things over there. It takes time to learn the Vietnamese language, hopefully he can learn it quickly while he be as Chau's helper. When Uncle Chau is no longer able for the work then the New Overseer has a good grasp of the work in VN by then. During these periods, they can teach and groom a Vietnamese brother to be the leader in the near future... The New overseer.......They need to just stay out of Vietnam. It is fine to send workers who are there to preach the gospel, but they don't need a foreign overseer coming in to run the show. Irregardless as to how nice they are. Let the people have one of their own as a spiritual leader there. It sounds like they were doing pretty well before those uppity foreigners came in and tried to force people to bow to their will, rather than living their lives and having meetings that are following the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
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Feb 7, 2014 13:17:33 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Feb 7, 2014 13:17:33 GMT -5
NOT all westerners workers are like Darrel T. and Lyle S.... There are good, God fearing workers out there such as Mike T. Craig Jacobsen, Jay Wicks, Dean B. and so on... Unlce Hoa is no longer a 2x2 worker, for 4 yrs now. I hope he will change his mind and come back to help the work in VN again. If he does change his mind that would be awesome. Hopefully, all of the 100 golden friends will return also so they can continue to enjoy their golden time like the old days. Let us wait and see which worker, they will replace Lyle S. in VN. I believe this time they will be VERY careful, who they sent to VN. They don't want to MESS up for the third time. God is awesome! Great, and Wonderful,Uncle Chau was right by waiting patiently for God to open another door for VN and him to walk through. You know what would be even better Nathan? That all the current 'friends' join the Golden Friends and leave the workers behind to stew in their own corruptness. Then Hoa and Chau could be their workers and any from the other group of workers that don't agree with the corrupt workers could join them. Then it would be good, because the corrupt workers would have no one left to preach to, control etc. Then maybe they would have to work for more recruits or just go home where they belong. Once Chau is in charge, it should be up to him to decide if Hoa is a worker or not. Not you, me, the Canadian workers, or anyone else. This is a family of God. A Fellowhip of God. So according to who is Hoa not a Worker? Some Workers from Canada?
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Feb 7, 2014 13:33:35 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on Feb 7, 2014 13:33:35 GMT -5
Amen, let uncle Chau be the leader for now. Uncle Chau, knows how to fix things, He knows about most of the friends and the workers over there, and where the problems are... The New overseer, go there to support as helper to uncle Chau for now, until he learns all the ropes so he could get a better grasp of the situation, the Vietnamese people, their culture, and how they think and do things over there. It takes time to learn the Vietnamese language, hopefully he can learn it quickly while he be as Chau's helper. When Uncle Chau is no longer able for the work then the New Overseer has a good grasp of the work in VN by then. During these periods, they can teach and groom a Vietnamese brother to be the leader in the near future... The New overseer.......They need to just stay out of Vietnam. It is fine to send workers who are there to preach the gospel, but they don't need a foreign overseer coming in to run the show. Irregardless as to how nice they are. Let the people have one of their own as a spiritual leader there. It sounds like they were doing pretty well before those uppity foreigners came in and tried to force people to bow to their will, rather than living their lives and having meetings that are following the promptings of the Holy Spirit. Scott, I think it was MT that mentioned how that Chau and Hoa can do better evangelizing of VN, is because they are natives and tha tthey can travel deep into the areas of VN looking for those people who need comfort and help spiritually whereas I take it from her that foreigners trying to ride into those areas are apt to be set upon the road and injured or killed. I think she was just showing the why non--native workers are not beneficial to the church that follows Christ and have never been beneficial because they have to watch all sides of themselves IF they try to enter into the deeper places of VN!
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Feb 7, 2014 13:40:27 GMT -5
Post by Scott Ross on Feb 7, 2014 13:40:27 GMT -5
Knowing that Lyle Shutlz left Vietnam, we and our people are glad to have this information. These men such as Dale Schutlz, Lyle Schutlz, Darrel have destroyed the peace, the unity, the joy of the Vietnamese people. They have defended for their countrymen, their class of overseers. Bye,Bye! We need people who are willing to defend for the Kingdom of God Uncle Chau does not have the plan to go to Cambodia as a babysitter any more. Bravo!!! If the Schultz group has decided to give up the overseership of VN, that is the only possible solution to the problem there. There is no way they could have fixed it. If they take the role of servants and helpers to the VN people, perhaps they can do some good, but not as rulers with money and power. Perhaps they realized that their interference spelled the end of their brand of meetings in Vietnam. It looks pretty bad when the person registered with the government as the representative of the church in Vietnam is sent out of Vietnam by some foreigners. ESPECIALLY when those foreigners can NOT show any affiliation with that church on paper. I can just see them being arrested and asked for proof of their affiliation/connection with the fellowship there in Vietnam. Pretty hard to explain to the government that the church officially registered as the Christian Mission in Vietnam ("Sứ Mạng các Thánh Đồ") is being influenced and run by foreigners. Especially since those foreigners CAN'T even show an affiliation to any such church as being registered in the United States under any such name. I think they have shot themselves in the foot on this one. If needed, I think that any such workers could possibly find themselves facing charges and deportation for subverting the laws of Vietnam. It is kind of humorous that they would even think that they have the right to be in charge of anything there under the circumstances.
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Feb 7, 2014 13:41:51 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Feb 7, 2014 13:41:51 GMT -5
Once Chau is in charge, it should be up to him to decide if Hoa is a worker or not. Not you, me, the Canadian workers, or anyone else. This is a family of God. A Fellowhip of God. So according to who is Hoa not a Worker? Some Workers from Canada? According to uncle Hoa own words! He is no longer a 2x2 worker... He left the 2x2 ministry and fellowship in 2010. minhthanh said:Uncle Chau admonished me MANY times. Chau wants us to return to the fellowship. "Please, don't waste your time on the Internet, reading many things there you may lose your soul!" My reply was " On internet not only find out many things good for my decision, but also have had sweet fellowship throughout the world, with love and understanding. I had told uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lies, untrue, injustice, without unity and love. We are happy now." ~~ Emy wrote: Jan 29, 2014 that minhthanh said: I don't know how uncle Hoa know about TTT website. In 2013, I had asked uncle Hoa:" may I post his heart letter into TMB board and send to Cherie as she requested". He agreed and said "Say hello to Cherie and thanks for her hard working, tell Cherie, that I had read her website 5 years ago (2009). Her writing helped me decide to leave the work, for seeing things happened in VN, just the same as many things she had written."Emy wrote: I think Hoa indicated quite plainly that TTT was involved in his leaving the work.Our fellowship consist of tens of thousands of Friends, and much fewer workers. Of every one of the "Friends" that are aware of what has happened out there, how many do you think consider the Golden Friends are not a "Brother". I'll speak for myself. The Golden Friends are My Brothers and Sisters. I would say the majority of all professing people would say the same if they knew the complete story. So, why wouldn't the Golden Friends not still be "professing", and Uncle Hoa not still be in the work? I would think that once restoration takes place, there are going to be some very golden times again. I would love to be in the first meetings where they all come together once again. I would guess there will be more than a few tears of joy shed.
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According to uncle Hoa own words! He is no longer a 2x2 worker... He left the 2x2 ministry and fellowship in 2010. minhthanh said:Uncle Chau admonished me MANY times. Chau wants us to return to the fellowship. "Please, don't waste your time on the Internet, reading many things there you may lose your soul!" My reply was " On internet not only find out many things good for my decision, but also have had sweet fellowship throughout the world, with love and understanding. I had told uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lies, untrue, injustice, without unity and love. We are happy now." ~~ Emy wrote: Jan 29, 2014 that minhthanh said: I don't know how uncle Hoa know about TTT website. In 2013, I had asked uncle Hoa:" may I post his heart letter into TMB board and send to Cherie as she requested". He agreed and said "Say hello to Cherie and thanks for her hard working, tell Cherie, that I had read her website 5 years ago (2009). Her writing helped me decide to leave the work, for seeing things happened in VN, just the same as many things she had written."Emy wrote: I think Hoa indicated quite plainly that TTT was involved in his leaving the work. Our fellowship consist of tens of thousands of Friends, and much fewer workers. Of every one of the "Friends" that are aware of what has happened out there, how many do you think consider the Golden Friends are not a "Brother". I'll speak for myself. The Golden Friends are My Brothers and Sisters. I would say the majority of all professing people would say the same if they knew the complete story. So, why wouldn't the Golden Friends not still be "professing", and Uncle Hoa not still be in the work? I would think that once restoration takes place, there are going to be some very golden times again. I would love to be in the first meetings where they all come together once again. I would guess there will be more than a few tears of joy shed. Whether or not any restoration happens, they still remain brothers and sisters in Christ. I'd love to meet them all!
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Feb 7, 2014 14:23:55 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Feb 7, 2014 14:23:55 GMT -5
~~ According to uncle Hoa own words! He is no longer a 2x2 worker... He left the 2x2 ministry and fellowship in 2010. [/font] minhthanh said:Uncle Chau admonished me MANY times. Chau wants us to return to the fellowship. "Please, don't waste your time on the Internet, reading many things there you may lose your soul!" My reply was " On internet not only find out many things good for my decision, but also have had sweet fellowship throughout the world, with love and understanding. I had told uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lies, untrue, injustice, without unity and love. We are happy now." ~~ Emy wrote: Jan 29, 2014 that minhthanh said: I don't know how uncle Hoa know about TTT website. In 2013, I had asked uncle Hoa:" may I post his heart letter into TMB board and send to Cherie as she requested". He agreed and said "Say hello to Cherie and thanks for her hard working, tell Cherie, that I had read her website 5 years ago (2009). Her writing helped me decide to leave the work, for seeing things happened in VN, just the same as many things she had written."Emy wrote: I think Hoa indicated quite plainly that TTT was involved in his leaving the work.[/quote] Our fellowship consist of tens of thousands of Friends, and much fewer workers. Of every one of the "Friends" that are aware of what has happened out there, how many do you think consider the Golden Friends are not a "Brother". I'll speak for myself. The Golden Friends are My Brothers and Sisters. I would say the majority of all professing people would say the same if they knew the complete story. So, why wouldn't the Golden Friends not still be "professing", and Uncle Hoa not still be in the work? I would think that once restoration takes place, there are going to be some very golden times again. I would love to be in the first meetings where they all come together once again. I would guess there will be more than a few tears of joy shed. [/quote] It is Hoa and 100 golden friends decision... That do not want to RETURN when Lyle S was in charge. Let us wait and see who is the new overseer, and is he going to improve and fix thing better than before... When he does I hope and pray Hoa and 100 golden friends will have a change of hearts and want to RETURN and be ONE big happy family like in the golden times again.[/quote] Okay Nathan. Does that matter anymore? Can we not be talking about divisive things. How about we talk about restoration? We can spend the next year talking about who said what, who did what.....Please...lets not. Lets worry about what will take place that will restore unity. Thank You.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 14:34:24 GMT -5
Blanket amnesty, and admission by those speaking for the work, "we have been and done wrong," might be a step in the right direction. However, many of us just don't see that as likely to happen.
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Feb 7, 2014 14:52:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 14:52:48 GMT -5
Thanks Minh Thanh for the link -- I have become aware of much of the corruption in 2x2ism -- but just this story I have somehow missed before. But it surely does underline the capacity within 2x2ism to ingore and conceal the truth. Edgar By the way Clearday--- I can't seen to find this story on WingsForTruth -- Have I missed,it or is it not there because of some kind of a policy thing? The WINGS mandate is child abuse, and primarily child sexual abuse. It does not cover adult crimes. OK thanks
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Feb 7, 2014 15:04:29 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 15:04:29 GMT -5
~~ According to uncle Hoa own words! He is no longer a 2x2 worker... He left the 2x2 ministry and fellowship in 2010. [/font] minhthanh said:Uncle Chau admonished me MANY times. Chau wants us to return to the fellowship. "Please, don't waste your time on the Internet, reading many things there you may lose your soul!" My reply was " On internet not only find out many things good for my decision, but also have had sweet fellowship throughout the world, with love and understanding. I had told uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lies, untrue, injustice, without unity and love. We are happy now." ~~ Emy wrote: Jan 29, 2014 that minhthanh said: I don't know how uncle Hoa know about TTT website. In 2013, I had asked uncle Hoa:" may I post his heart letter into TMB board and send to Cherie as she requested". He agreed and said "Say hello to Cherie and thanks for her hard working, tell Cherie, that I had read her website 5 years ago (2009). Her writing helped me decide to leave the work, for seeing things happened in VN, just the same as many things she had written."Emy wrote: I think Hoa indicated quite plainly that TTT was involved in his leaving the work.[/quote] Our fellowship consist of tens of thousands of Friends, and much fewer workers. Of every one of the "Friends" that are aware of what has happened out there, how many do you think consider the Golden Friends are not a "Brother". I'll speak for myself. The Golden Friends are My Brothers and Sisters. I would say the majority of all professing people would say the same if they knew the complete story. So, why wouldn't the Golden Friends not still be "professing", and Uncle Hoa not still be in the work? I would think that once restoration takes place, there are going to be some very golden times again. I would love to be in the first meetings where they all come together once again. I would guess there will be more than a few tears of joy shed. [/quote] It is Hoa and 100 golden friends decision... That do not want to RETURN when Lyle S was in charge. Let us wait and see who is the new overseer, and is he going to improve and fix thing better than before... When he does I hope and pray Hoa and 100 golden friends will have a change of hearts and want to RETURN and be ONE big happy family like in the golden times again.[/quote] Okay Nathan. Does that matter anymore? Can we not be talking about divisive things. How about we talk about restoration? We can spend the next year talking about who said what, who did what.....Please...lets not. Lets worry about what will take place that will restore unity. Thank You. [/quote] I agree, JD. Since Uncle Hoa has maintained his Spirit led ministry, I think the other friends should join with the Golden Friends under Uncle Hoa's godly guidance and so reunite the fellowship. Uncle Chau would likely be pleased to be allowed to return to the ways the had worked so well prior to the Canadian attempts to fix what wasn't broken.
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