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Dec 15, 2013 11:56:42 GMT -5
Post by Lee on Dec 15, 2013 11:56:42 GMT -5
Since my dad retired my parents have spent a number of winters in China to support the F&W. In 2012 they went to Nha Trang, Vietnam for about a month. They described the experience as being rather difficult, it was a new language and an unfamiliar environment, and for some reason it was harder to mix with the friends there. I didn't know until they returned that the western overseers had created a rift there. My mom was Skyping Darrel Turner at my home where I watched him compare the "wayward" friends of Vietnam friends and the "wayward" friends of Alberta to the rebellions of God's people in the Bible. Knowing something of the Alberta situation my blood boiled and I had some words with my mom. I've sent some things on the Vietnam situation to them since then but they do not respond. Unfortunately the senior workers tell them which way the wind blows.
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Dec 15, 2013 14:31:11 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Dec 15, 2013 14:31:11 GMT -5
Since my dad retired my parents have spent a number of winters in China to support the F&W. In 2012 they went to Nha Trang, Vietnam for about a month. They described the experience as being rather difficult, it was a new language and an unfamiliar environment, and for some reason it was harder to mix with the friends there. I didn't know until they returned that the western overseers had created a rift there. My mom was Skyping Darrel Turner at my home where I watched him compare the "wayward" friends of Vietnam friends and the "wayward" friends of Alberta to the rebellions of God's people in the Bible. Knowing something of the Alberta situation my blood boiled and I had some words with my mom. I've sent some things on the Vietnam situation to them since then but they do not respond. Unfortunately the senior workers tell them which way the wind blows.That's interesting Lee. The sentence I bolded in your post says a lot. It explains how a fellowship of good people can be morphed into a cult. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 14:48:15 GMT -5
Since my dad retired my parents have spent a number of winters in China to support the F&W. In 2012 they went to Nha Trang, Vietnam for about a month. They described the experience as being rather difficult, it was a new language and an unfamiliar environment, and for some reason it was harder to mix with the friends there. I didn't know until they returned that the western overseers had created a rift there. My mom was Skyping Darrel Turner at my home where I watched him compare the "wayward" friends of Vietnam friends and the "wayward" friends of Alberta to the rebellions of God's people in the Bible. Knowing something of the Alberta situation my blood boiled and I had some words with my mom. I've sent some things on the Vietnam situation to them since then but they do not respond. Unfortunately the senior workers tell them which way the wind blows. Thanks for that Lee. I have been seeing very close parallels with Alberta in the Vietnam situation, right down to the Worker Talking Points to control the damages from spreading outside of Vietnam. |
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Post by quizzer on Dec 15, 2013 16:51:37 GMT -5
What does it mean to 'come back to the workers'? Come back to the workers, apologized (in some cases) and asked to rejoin the meetings which remain under the worker's control and are now in those meetings. Too bad the foreign workers don't apologize to the Vietnamese for being so disruptive, then buy plane tickets and go far, far away. |
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Dec 15, 2013 17:07:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 17:07:49 GMT -5
Come back to the workers, apologized (in some cases) and asked to rejoin the meetings which remain under the worker's control and are now in those meetings. Too bad the foreign workers don't apologize to the Vietnamese for being so disruptive, then buy plane tickets and go far, far away. That's not going to happen because the foreign workers and their supporters are convinced they are in the right. The golden friends are going to have to establish a new life away from meetings or apologize to come back. It's a tragedy. |
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Dec 15, 2013 18:25:23 GMT -5
Post by minhthanh on Dec 15, 2013 18:25:23 GMT -5
I would like to get an overall picture of the movements people are making. Approximately how many do you know who went back to the meetings? Of those, how many do you know made apologies?
There are two unmarried old lady return after attended our gathering two times, not because of seeing these workers are right, but only obey uncle Chau advice, they still disagree with many things happen, and look forward a new page.
Recently one more unmarried lady (my aunt) returned, wrote an apologies letter through uncle Chau. It seem she want to please uncle Chau or by Chau asking her to made apologies, because in the past she had said many bad words to workers (Nhung Vietnamese sister & Lyle). It’s a long story from this lady I don’t want to tell more detail here.
And a man (brother of two sister workers), in their fellowship, not being with us, but met a very serious problem with these workers. He came to our house just want my husband back to that fellowship, cooperate with him to against them. We never want to throw stones in the meeting… (The fellowship with God must be pure with true love and unite). Uncle Chau had visited him, then he change his attitude, being a childlike and made apologies with uncle Lyle by mouth, they both shed tear at that time. (He told us). But gradually it seem things not go smoothly as he wanted, now he use the bad words for them again.
He came to my older sister very often, because he knows that couple being in the fellowship but not agree with their acting, the same as him. (My sister said to me “I'm being because there are still many good workers and friends).
That man go through a very bad situation by workers, he now didn’t believe or trust in them. I didn’t know if uncle Châu had promised any spiritual help for him or not, but after Châu went to East Timor he also complain Chau again…
We not only know every details of his situation but also keep his record with the matter happen to him (His requested). But it isn’t mine, so I better not mention here.
That all. (Only two made apologies ).
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Dec 15, 2013 18:52:28 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2013 18:52:28 GMT -5
The reproach concerning reading together as a family and taking notes in meetings seems very odd. Many of the others seem to be far to be just minor things (wedding and funeral customs). Yes, minor things on the face of it. Here's the major thing: obedience and control. The Vietnamese attitude to the foreign workers is expected to be: "thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever". Too bad that phrase isn't in the Vietnamese Bible. |
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Dec 15, 2013 19:14:41 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2013 19:14:41 GMT -5
Bullying of this sort really angers me. My sympathy, hopes and prayers are with those in Vietnam. The "official worker policy" is to insert native overseers as soon as possible however in practice it seems that imperial forces have a hard time relinquishing power. This kind of bullying is normally a result of a ministry corrupted by power. What they fail to see is that enforcing unity of form in fact hinders unity of Spirit. There is a very good reason a ministry ought to be poor: money brings power (the means to control), and power corrupts. A poor ministry promotes love and sacrifice, a wealthy ministry soon turns servants into masters and dictators. Of course some of the blame lies with those of us who have allowed a ministry to become wealthy in material ways but that's a whole other topic. Again, thoughts and prayers for our Vietnamese brethren. I believe Cherie's report of draconian bully workers in VN is accurate. We had a worker on home visit at convention not long ago. He told the young people not to bother coming to VN to visit if they are going to dress like they do in Canada. He talked about all his hard work to get the friends in VN to look godly and he didn't want Canadian young people ruining all his "hard work". "Make me proud of you when you come over here". This gives you a good idea of what's going on over there. The weird thing is that in Vietnam, a young woman with a traditional professing hairdo would not look out of place. While that hairdo is not a majority over there, it is not an oddity either, so one wonders about the "hard work" of the workers there. Nor is wearing skirts an oddity....it is probably the majority of women there who wear modest skirts......although the "hard work" of this worker was probably to convince his charges to lower their hems an inch or two. One thing I know the brother workers do not like is the fact that Vietnamese women wear pants under their dresses. My best friend and his wife came from Viet Nam, and the workers have harassed her for years about that -- one brother worker even told her how to convert her pants into a skirt. She said she wasn't comfortable doing that because she had never been without the pants -- and she was raised in the Truth in Viet Nam. |
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Dec 15, 2013 19:19:37 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2013 19:19:37 GMT -5
Bullying of this sort really angers me. My sympathy, hopes and prayers are with those in Vietnam. The "official worker policy" is to insert native overseers as soon as possible however in practice it seems that imperial forces have a hard time relinquishing power. This kind of bullying is normally a result of a ministry corrupted by power. What they fail to see is that enforcing unity of form in fact hinders unity of Spirit. There is a very good reason a ministry ought to be poor: money brings power (the means to control), and power corrupts. A poor ministry promotes love and sacrifice, a wealthy ministry soon turns servants into masters and dictators. Of course some of the blame lies with those of us who have allowed a ministry to become wealthy in material ways but that's a whole other topic. Again, thoughts and prayers for our Vietnamese brethren. I believe Cherie's report of draconian bully workers in VN is accurate. We had a worker on home visit at convention not long ago. He told the young people not to bother coming to VN to visit if they are going to dress like they do in Canada. He talked about all his hard work to get the friends in VN to look godly and he didn't want Canadian young people ruining all his "hard work". "Make me proud of you when you come over here". This gives you a good idea of what's going on over there. The weird thing is that in Vietnam, a young woman with a traditional professing hairdo would not look out of place. While that hairdo is not a majority over there, it is not an oddity either, so one wonders about the "hard work" of the workers there. Nor is wearing skirts an oddity....it is probably the majority of women there who wear modest skirts......although the "hard work" of this worker was probably to convince his charges to lower their hems an inch or two. I recall distinctly that the workers used to discourage people in the northeast from visiting the friends in Europe, and the reason they gave was that the friends might see (or learn -- I was too young to remember exactly) something the workers didn't approve of in North America. You can guess I wondered for the rest of my life what exactly that was all about. |
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Dec 15, 2013 20:08:04 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2013 20:08:04 GMT -5
Government registration is required here for many activities, including the acts of birth and marriage but I don't smell pogrom there. Western registration for religion is just sneakier: if you want tax benefits, you must register. That way they bring almost all of them in their net. The Vietnam registry for religions is not to control religion, it is to control politics in a one party state. They know full well that when people congregate, political activism ensues. If your group is not politically active, registration is not an issue. If I had reason to believe otherwise, then civil disobedience would make sense. However, experience indicates that the government there is religion-neutral but politically-averse. The country is advancing quickly with the adoption of capitalism, and the government isn't going to mess up their exports by introducing pogroms. I think you need to consider that Fiddler on the Roof is a different era entirely than today. My parents lived in Nazi occupied Holland so I am very sensitive to this issue from personal experience. Not that I lived through that myself but hearing about those experiences has been a major feature of my life. No government agency will register your religious affiliation in Canada or the US, and it's a direct result of what happened to the Jewish people. I can definitely see that European people of our generation or the previous one would be adverse to such a requirement. In Germany the government collects tithes for the churches, and the courts enforce the denial of communion for non-payment of taxes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 20:08:08 GMT -5
I would like to get an overall picture of the movements people are making. Approximately how many do you know who went back to the meetings? Of those, how many do you know made apologies?
There are two unmarried old lady return after attended our gathering two times, not because of seeing these workers are right, but only obey uncle Chau advice, they still disagree with many things happen, and look forward a new page. Recently one more unmarried lady (my aunt) returned, wrote an apologies letter through uncle Chau. It seem she want to please uncle Chau or by Chau asking her to made apologies, because in the past she had said many bad words to workers (Nhung Vietnamese sister & Lyle). It’s a long story from this lady I don’t want to tell more detail here. And a man (brother of two sister workers), in their fellowship, not being with us, but met a very serious problem with these workers. He came to our house just want my husband back to that fellowship, cooperate with him to against them. We never want to throw stones in the meeting… (The fellowship with God must be pure with true love and unite). Uncle Chau had visited him, then he change his attitude, being a childlike and made apologies with uncle Lyle by mouth, they both shed tear at that time. (He told us). But gradually it seem things not go smoothly as he wanted, now he use the bad words for them again. He came to my older sister very often, because he knows that couple being in the fellowship but not agree with their acting, the same as him. (My sister said to me “I'm being because there are still many good workers and friends). That man go through a very bad situation by workers, he now didn’t believe or trust in them. I didn’t know if uncle Châu had promised any spiritual help for him or not, but after Châu went to East Timor he also complain Chau again… We not only know every details of his situation but also keep his record with the matter happen to him (His requested). But it isn’t mine, so I better not mention here. That all. (Only two made apologies ). Thank you Minh Thanh. That's a total of 4. Of those four, two made apologies, and one of those two aren't doing well with the foreign workers now. All 4 went back to the meetings because of Chau. |
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Dec 15, 2013 20:28:39 GMT -5
Post by minhthanh on Dec 15, 2013 20:28:39 GMT -5
“Uncle Châu has a house, while being a worker”.
After 1982 we didn’t has any gathering at the brother’s batch. They didn’t rent that place anymore, because of paying a lot of money, but no meetings there. It became useless. Uncle Châu family had arranged a place for Châu & Hoa. The house belonged to Chau youngest brother (Mr Vũ Trung Hiền living in USA). Chau & Hoa registered family book at this house with the government till now (It’s very important in VN. Every citizen had to prove where they are with the government).
That’s the reason why there was a rumor “Uncle Châu has a house, while being a worker”.
When Darrel took place as an overseer, he sent Hoa to Campuchia, and Châu to the Central, then the North of VN. They hadn’t stayed much time in Saigon. The house closed very often, Chau sent the key to a young friends for passing by the house some time.
In the early of 2009 uncle Chau had his spare time, He returned back to Saigon to repair the house, in order some friends from the countryside could stay there. (They were students and civil services, had to rent small room with very expensice price outside). Young friends helped him, included Mr Mãnh (Di Linh elder) They all worked together for Châu very good desire.
Eveything was done in the joy of friends… That was the day uncle Chau had to be back to the North for his laboring.
My father and elder Mãnh being there to say goodbye with him. Darrel also came and uttered “This house had to sell”
Hearing this command my father said to Mr Mãnh “Please, buy this house” But elder Mãnh refused for not enough money to buy. My father remembered us. We had renting house to house since the time we left Dalat to Saigon for living.
My father rode on his bicycle to my house to ask us buy that house. We agreed to buy, immediately I phoned to uncle Châu even he had not come back to his batch in Ha Noi yet. He felt very happy to sell that house for us with many reasons…
It caused me involved into the propbem and became their victim after uncle Chau…
Just for today… I’m too busy with my housework…
It’s still a long story to tell, please patient for my slow post…
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Dec 15, 2013 21:02:40 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2013 21:02:40 GMT -5
Alberta Incorp. document was a big deal back then, it was one of the straws that broke the camel's back in the excommunication. Hey, you workers said your church has no name or Corp. so what is this Incorp. in Alberta by Willis P...... So, Willis P. did the right thing by explaining his mistake, and wrong doing against the main group belief. I wish Willis P. had written an apology from the workers side of wrong doing in ex-communication many church by NOT working things out carefully, with prayers first. If an excommunication apology is going to be as muddled as this one, it would be a waste of time. Summary of the letters: Letter 1: "We registered so that we could spread the gospel to Romania. Even though we have registered for other purposes such as for CO status in WWII, a bunch of you howled and complained about it so we are canceling it."Letter 2: "The same bunch of you traditionalists keep howling for an apology so I take responsibility for getting messed up on the basic tenets of our faith. I thought that our main tenet was to spread the gospel but apparently I was wrong and the main tenet is that we don't register anything and stay underground in case we start to look like those ghastly "organized false churches". I should have known that spreading the gospel wasn't as important as appearing unorganized even though we are about as organized as any church group in the world."I can only imagine what an apology letter about the excommunications would look like! They haven't learned a single thing from the excommunications in Alberta which is why they did the same thing in Vietnam. So this is where the California sister workers get their style of letter writing. And this one is mild by comparison. |
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Dec 15, 2013 21:03:51 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Dec 15, 2013 21:03:51 GMT -5
A suggested name for the Vietnam story discussed on this thread:
"How to Turn a Fellowship of Love Into a Cult"
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Dec 15, 2013 21:11:45 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Dec 15, 2013 21:11:45 GMT -5
They haven't learned a single thing from the excommunications in Alberta which is why they did the same thing in Vietnam. I'm so sorry that the friends in Vietnam have had their fellowship destroyed because we westerners allowed controlling workers to get away with their destruction in Alberta. The fellowship prospered in Vietnam during the same period it declined in the West. It was inevitable that imposing Western methods and control would unwind much of the work that was achieved. Instead of controlling workers learning from the success of the work in Vietnam, they've been busy destroying it. |
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Post by Sylvestra on Dec 15, 2013 21:14:06 GMT -5
Come back to the workers, apologized (in some cases) and asked to rejoin the meetings which remain under the worker's control and are now in those meetings. Too bad the foreign workers don't apologize to the Vietnamese for being so disruptive, then buy plane tickets and go far, far away. Yes, this would be a good answer for this mess! However, we must all realize that this IS the workers' church, and THEY make the rules. If one doesn't want to follow their rules, one must go elsewhere. .....a very sad testimony for something THEY like to call "the truth". |
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Dec 15, 2013 21:48:34 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Dec 15, 2013 21:48:34 GMT -5
Too bad the foreign workers don't apologize to the Vietnamese for being so disruptive, then buy plane tickets and go far, far away. Yes, this would be a good answer for this mess! However, we must all realize that this IS the workers' church, and THEY make the rules. If one doesn't want to follow their rules, one must go elsewhere. .....a very sad testimony for something THEY like to call "the truth". That's one way of looking at it. Here's another way: Christ is the head of the church, and the members belong to God. Controlling workers should take this into account. How will they feel when they give account of their stewardship? "We split the church in Vietnam to bring it under our control and into line with the rest of the world". |
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Post by fixit on Dec 15, 2013 22:00:27 GMT -5
The merciful will receive mercy.
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Dec 15, 2013 22:16:07 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Dec 15, 2013 22:16:07 GMT -5
I believe Cherie's report of draconian bully workers in VN is accurate. We had a worker on home visit at convention not long ago. He told the young people not to bother coming to VN to visit if they are going to dress like they do in Canada. He talked about all his hard work to get the friends in VN to look godly and he didn't want Canadian young people ruining all his "hard work". "Make me proud of you when you come over here". This gives you a good idea of what's going on over there. The weird thing is that in Vietnam, a young woman with a traditional professing hairdo would not look out of place. While that hairdo is not a majority over there, it is not an oddity either, so one wonders about the "hard work" of the workers there. Nor is wearing skirts an oddity....it is probably the majority of women there who wear modest skirts......although the "hard work" of this worker was probably to convince his charges to lower their hems an inch or two. I recall distinctly that the workers used to discourage people in the northeast from visiting the friends in Europe, and the reason they gave was that the friends might see (or learn -- I was too young to remember exactly) something the workers didn't approve of in North America. You can guess I wondered for the rest of my life what exactly that was all about.  |
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Dec 15, 2013 22:27:42 GMT -5
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Post by gecko45 on Dec 15, 2013 22:27:42 GMT -5
I recall distinctly that the workers used to discourage people in the northeast from visiting the friends in Europe, and the reason they gave was that the friends might see (or learn -- I was too young to remember exactly) something the workers didn't approve of in North America. You can guess I wondered for the rest of my life what exactly that was all about. Or in Germany having the local friends and workers take you out for "A beer and pizza" after meeting or convention. |
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Dec 15, 2013 22:27:59 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2013 22:27:59 GMT -5
I recall distinctly that the workers used to discourage people in the northeast from visiting the friends in Europe, and the reason they gave was that the friends might see (or learn -- I was too young to remember exactly) something the workers didn't approve of in North America. You can guess I wondered for the rest of my life what exactly that was all about. I think probably this was before they went to Italy -- I'm thinking they didn't want anyone to know about William Irvine. |
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Dec 15, 2013 22:57:14 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2013 22:57:14 GMT -5
As for the list of people allowed to attend the special meeting, could this have been a prevention to keep by-passers and such out? In Alberta they booted people for going to a meeting they were not assigned to attend. |
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Dec 15, 2013 23:16:49 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Dec 15, 2013 23:16:49 GMT -5
I believe some F&W adhere to the principal of the " greater good. " like “ if we save a soul it is permissible to lie to the authorities " According to Paul, it was also okay for him to lie a little bit if it brought people to Christ! |
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Post by déjà vu on Dec 16, 2013 0:16:22 GMT -5
you are right Bob , this is also true for Rahab and a few others
Jos 2:4 And the woman took the two men, and hid them, and said thus, There came men unto me, but I wist not whence they were:
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Dec 16, 2013 3:46:46 GMT -5
Post by lazarus66 on Dec 16, 2013 3:46:46 GMT -5
I had to really laugh when I read about "loaning money" and then them bringing up the fact that the workers ride nice "machined" to get around. I think that if I were able to write to the workers (they don't read my letters as I am a heathen) I would tell them that if they want money, "get a job" and if they need transportation, God provided them with the same mode of transportation he gave Jesus. Two legs. My sister branded me a heathen, so when I write about the money she stole, I get back from good old "uncle" Sid (Holt), "We don't get involved in matters like that". Seems he was either a liar or telling me "when our workers rip people off and they are heathens, we don't get involved." These overbearing, crooked, conniving workers are going to be in heaven?  This reminded me of the Psalmist who said that he was so discouraged because of the evil having the success over what others have...he said his feet had nigh well had slipped! Then he went on to describe some of those things that he found "unfair" in the success of those who worked evil thing, etc....then the Psalmist finally says "Untill I went into God's sanctuary....then their portion or their ending was made clear to me...." something of that ilk...... It does NOT seem fair that NOW some of the golden friends have turned back and purposefully came under the workers who had so abused them....THIS is exactly what some of these workers expect and more often then not get.....they are given undue power when people bend down before those who are being unfair and abusive to start with! But as the Psalmist said, he finally understood what God had in store for those who were evil and having so much success on the backs of those who stoop before them! The Psalmist was referring to those that were not of God, and prospering anyway. (that is how I read it) He said that when he entered the Sanctuary, then he understood, but that does not excuse the workers that are living high off the hog while others struggle and then they don't want the 'friends' to help the 'friends'? I remember reading in the Acts, in the NEW TESTAMENT where the widows and poor were being neglected. A special committee was set up with Stephan as the head of it. If riches here on earth are unimportant, then the ones that have it good and don't help those that are in need, then they are wrong in doing so. They are putting their riches ahead of other's needs. Like I said, when my sister, who was in the work at the time, stole the money that was left to her and two other siblings, the workers had no words to say. If I were face to face with any older workers and they gave the that answer, I would call them out to their face and tell them what liars and scoundrels they were. You can only have it one way. Stay out of personal finances, or take care of all things that come your way. Again, I know there are workers and friends that deserve respect and are good people. I also know there are conniving liars that only care about money. It is more true in the F&Ws group of higher ups that the love of money is the root of all evil. They are living proof. |
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Dec 16, 2013 3:49:41 GMT -5
Post by lazarus66 on Dec 16, 2013 3:49:41 GMT -5
One other thing that everyone needs to realize is that this is nothing new, the corruption in the workers. It has gone on from the start with William Irvine and Jack Carrol and George Walker as it goes on today.
Anyone that thinks this is new is really blind.
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Dec 16, 2013 11:17:38 GMT -5
Post by minhthanh on Dec 16, 2013 11:17:38 GMT -5
I have fallen into a deep sadness, when remembering the situation had happened to me… Anyway, as I had promised I would continue telling the truth…
After having agreed from Darrel, we bought air plane ticket for uncle Chau back to Saigon for a discussion.
We really wanted to buy Mr Hiền’s house, but we didn’t have enough money yet (Mr. Hiền is uncle Châu’s youngest brother, he is the real owner of the house)
* Almost my money was stuck on the contract of renting house in three years, but it just two months went by... Whoever breaks the contract had to compensate to the other side more than 2500 USD. I had to wait until finish living three years in that house. (It’s a big and confortable house with 5 bedrooms, many F&W stayed there sometimes.)
* I had to sell my house in Dalat in order enough money to buy uncle Châu brother’ house. It took me time.
* We had to work harder to earn more money for buy the house.
After discussion we agreed together that…
Within three years, let the friends stay there as uncle Chau had promissed with them. After three years I would finish all the money and receive the house.
Suddenly, Darrell gave an appointement to meet us.
Then 5 of us sitting together (Darrel, Colin, Chau, my husband and me).
Starting the conversation with a cross-question. Look at me Darrel asked:
”How do you feel, when receiving a gift from a worker worthy 80.000 USD”
We all shocked with Darrel question, we didn’t know why he raised that question. It wasn’t uncle Chau’s house, how could he give it to me?
While we were still surprised with his cross-question, Darrel continued…”This morning I had search on internet the price of the selling house is 80.000 USD”. Uncle Châu hadn’t given us the price (maybe he waited for his brother’s decision) But Darrel already searched and given the price in a strange way.
(Please remember his cross-question, it starts with many terrible made up stories after !...)
I gave an explanation to him that… We invited Chau back here for buying the house, not receiving a gift…
I will never took the house as a gift for I didn’t want my children being a sinner ln case they would sell the house when I passed away.
Four reasons that I wanted to buy the house…
1. I had tired with moving house to house… since we left Dalat move to Saigon.
2. I wanted to live near my parents, looking after them because they are getting old.
3. Keeping the registered family book for Chau & Hoa, and they can continue stay there with us any time they return to Saigon.
4. Two big family (Vu & Nguyễn) has long relationship more than 50 years. My grandmother was friend of uncle Chau parents, His brothers and sisters also my parents friend, and now uncle Châu nieces become members in Nguyen’s family. One is Mr Hien’s daughter… So I wanted to buy this house, and I would have opportunity of welcoming them whenever they(Châu’s relatives) back to VN for visiting.
Then we and many young friends had a gathering for singing before uncle Châu went to Hanoi again. He made an announcement to more than 20 friends that “Hoan & Thanh is the first candidate offering to buy this house”.
Uncle Chau also permitted some friends to move in, stayed there for three years as we had discussion.
The happening did not go smoothly as we wanted, when uncle Chau went back to Hanoi, sister workers came and ordered the friends “No one stay here…” They prevent the friends not to come in to stay…
Maybe Darrel' order.
I think it enough for today…
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Dec 16, 2013 11:28:22 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 11:28:22 GMT -5
Thank you again Minh Thanh.
The central problem seems that Darrel believed that the house was owned by Chau and then he seemed to think that Chau was going to give it to you for free. The former issue, that Chau owned the house, is probably the greatest problem in Darrel's mind.
Do you have any documentary (legal) proof that the house was owned by Chau's brother, Mr. Hiền, and not by Chau? If you don't have legal proof, do you have any correspondence from Chau or Mr. Hiền indicating that Mr. Hiền owned the house?
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