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Dec 5, 2013 16:47:58 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Dec 5, 2013 16:47:58 GMT -5
The workers dont hold a conv in Vietnam...the gov doesnt allow it.
The F&Ws go to other countries for conv.
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Post by minhthanh on Dec 6, 2013 8:10:12 GMT -5
How does Miss Lan's will stand currently... Is the first one with Hoe presiding still good? Or is the second one with Mr. Bau the one that is in force now? Does her will leave money to the workers? Or is it just about her wishes concerning her funeral? The second is still what she want... How ever God'll do the best for her as He had done for my Son wedding...  . Uncle Châu will return to VN on 6th January 2014. If she passed after that day, uncle Châu will arrange for her. She is the only one in her family professed, so she had to write that will, she afraid because her family belong to Buddhism. I don't know if she has much money or not... Recently she gave a lot money to friends (I had a part too, although I don't poor, may be that is the way she want to send her love to friends before she pass away, to whom she have been love for many years. She said to me: God had given enough for her, she become old and don't need much money any more... So she want to share with friends. What a lovely auntie, I do love her...  . |
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Post by trungnguyen2006 on Dec 7, 2013 0:52:40 GMT -5
Dear all, I am sorry that I have joined this forum and keep silence without any notice. In fact, it's nearly year end so we have to work harder to close the book, however i feel that I still own you something... therefore I will find some free time at weekend to serve you all Thanks to all that have sent me message in private to encourage me to tell the truth, it's make me more confident to tell you all that happen to my family which I have seen... In addition, we also got some private messages using their nick name (why not their true name I wonder?) to "advise" us not to share the truth on this Board because we will not get help from any of you by sharing this but also get confuse because he didn't anything godly here. Instead of writing in private I will answer here for those who have the same ideas will know my intention. By joining this board, we want to tell the truth that was and is continue happen in Vietnam, we are not seeking for help because we still believe that there is GOD and he will protect those who follow HIM. As I have informed to L.S in a letter that if he cannot work it out, I will share this information to everyone so that these thing will not happen in another country like they did in Vietnam. So, don't ever think that you could prevent me to speak out everything. I still consider to post all the voice record that I have in hand on youtube and will let you know once it's done. Best regards, Hoan Nguyen |
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Post by gecko45 on Dec 7, 2013 1:06:36 GMT -5
What is true is of God. What is true is always best.
Only Satan can inspire people to tell lies. Only the influence of Satan can cause people to say things that are untrue.
Truth is ALWAYS right and truth will prevail in the end.
Do not be afraid to publish and tell the TRUTH.
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Post by trungnguyen2006 on Dec 7, 2013 1:29:34 GMT -5
The workers dont hold a conv in Vietnam...the gov doesnt allow it. The F&Ws go to other countries for conv. Dear Cherrie, Before the arrival of these workers, we had our Vietnamese convention twice a year. I remember those time when I was at the teenager, I just waiting for the convention time and we have to travel for 12 hours to get to the convention ground, although it's a long journey but we all feel very happy to see each other and share the true fellowship together and because of that I have made my choice... The government is allowed us to have our convention unless we have to report them the participant and the content going to be share in our convention. 0When the foreigners workers come, there is no convention in Vietnam because they entered Vietnam by travelling visa so they don't have permission to preach or holding a convention.... There still have a question raised by the religious policeman that if these workers are not planning to do anything wrong for Vietnam, why they have to use travel visa to Vietnam? I think you got my ideas. |
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Post by someguy on Dec 7, 2013 1:51:56 GMT -5
There still have a question raised by the religious policy that if these workers are not planning to do anything wrong for Vietnam, why they have to use travel visa to Vietnam? I think you got my ideas. As it was once explained to me, they enter on a travel VISA because they are not a registered church in Vietnam. In most other countries in the world the friends and workers are a registered church, however, not so in Vietnam. In Vietnam, they have resisted "taking a name" so they enter under other means to preach rather than register a name so they could freely preach. In some countries like Brazil some workers enter as students and enroll in university, as they aren't allowed to preach there either. In Brazil it is because they have a law around the need to have formal training before they can preach, and as no worker I know has yet attended seminary, that makes it rather difficult to preach there. Therefore, the majority of workers that are white are older as they were grandfathered in, or are now native Brazilians. |
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Post by trungnguyen2006 on Dec 7, 2013 4:03:20 GMT -5
As it was once explained to me, they enter on a travel VISA because they are not a registered church in Vietnam. In most other countries in the world the friends and workers are a registered church, however, not so in Vietnam. According to the information that I've got from the religous policeman here that the 2x2 church has already registed with the goverment before 1975 under a vietnamese name. It's sứ mạng các thánh đồ. After 1975, this church continue to registe and uncle Chau & Hoa are known as the leaders in Vietnam. |
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Post by Greg on Dec 7, 2013 8:21:29 GMT -5
The government is allowed us to have our convention unless we have to report them the participant and the content going to be share in our convention. Is this why a list is/was made of who can attend even special meetings? |
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Dec 7, 2013 8:58:26 GMT -5
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Post by trungnguyen2006 on Dec 7, 2013 8:58:26 GMT -5
The government is allowed us to have our convention unless we have to report them the participant and the content going to be share in our convention. Is this why a list is/was made of who can attend even special meetings? It's not the reason Greg. They made the list of participants for speacial meeting because they want to split the friends by their teritory. Those who are rích will bê with the rích, those who are poor gather with the poor. That's why the father and son of the poor family cannot join the speacial meetings with the rích even they have traveled a long way to join. I was aslo been asked that whether the rích people will bê easily to follow God because they get a good care from those workers while the poor one cannot. |
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Post by minhthanh on Dec 7, 2013 9:49:13 GMT -5
What is true is of God. What is true is always best. Only Satan can inspire people to tell lies. Only the influence of Satan can cause people to say things that are untrue. Truth is ALWAYS right and truth will prevail in the end. Do not be afraid to publish and tell the TRUTH. I do love your post Gecko... While someone prevent us to say the truth, I find many friends here want to know the truth. It comfortss me, and encourages me to continue my work in this board... Today, I am going to tell you The result of a deceitWe have an elder as a worker.His name is Anh Mãnh (Mãnh means very strong). We all respect him as if he was a worker. He travels throughout the country with our workers in the golden time till now. Sometimes with uncle Châu in the past, now with uncle Hoa here and there. Always being with comfort while friends experienced sorrows. He has a very strong mind and firm spirit, in a very tender heart. Given us many beautiful example in serving God. I can't describe his godly manner by word. Calm in his serving, never has any loud voice from him. Every time we meet him, we have been studying from him how to serve and please God. He has 6 children, they all professed. Although after liberation day, life was too difficult for him... he always did his best for the Truth. Many friends professed by seeing his faithfulness in words and deeds . We all love him, thanks for a very faithful elder as a worker life. Back to the day uncle Chau had been drived out of the work. As many elders were asked to come to Saigon for that gathering. Right after they finished their announce.( Without the presence of uncle Chau) My husband stood up immediately... brother Mãnh stood up succeedingly. But D.T prevented both of them, not allowed them to speak out !... We were all very sad, couldn't speak out, we prayed to our Lord. We disagreed with the deceived reason, we gave him the evidence to read. He said "Trăm nghe không bằng một thấy" (One time of seeing equal to one hundred times of hearing ). The day after, he returned to DiLinh (about 200Km far from Saigon). He told the bad news for friends there. they all shed tears, and decided not welcome foreign workers any more, because of their deceit to the church, to drive uncle Châu out with lying reason. ( I'll mention later) The Canadian Workers couldn't image how they had to face with !... Moris.G asked uncle Châu for help. Uncle Châu phoned to Di Linh friends from the North, admonished them to welcome the foreign workers again. Obey uncle Châu advice, but still disliked the way they were treating with our local workers. Time went by, one day there was the wedding of Mr Mãnh's granddaughter with a professing brother. They asked Lyle permission for uncle Châu back to VN (He was in Cambodia) for their wedding ceremony . But Lyle refused... After some conversations, both side couldn't find the agreement. At last the young couple chosen uncle Hoa, didn't mind uncle Lyle agreed or not. In return uncle Lyle prevented all the workers and friends in their side not attending the wedding ... A struggle happened... one more time they all have refused to welcome foreign workers again till now. Another case, three years later before going to East Timor uncle Châu visited them with doctor Trung (an elder). He gave them many advice in tear, but couldn't change their mind. They loved uncle Châu so much, but they couldn't put their souls under the leading of an overseer without the love, the honesty, the compassion and image of Jesus Christ. You can see the picture how friends in Di Linh warmly welcomed workers... But now they feel disappointed in the way workers treating, just showing their power, not understanding or loving. Please, look at uncle Jack Price... We took many pictures for his visiting, but couldn't caught any smile in his face. For years I wonder why he looks sad in his face. But now I can understand the reason why... He had been sad with the losing friends in Alberta just happened... Now it's our turn just alike in Alberta !... I don't know if he still alive or not... He must be very sad. I'll send to Edgar another picture of uncle Jack Price took with our local worker without smile.. That's all for today. |
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Dec 7, 2013 11:04:24 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Dec 7, 2013 11:04:24 GMT -5
Anyone know where Jack Price is currently and how he is doing? I have added a Vietnam photos section in the TTT Photo Gallery - Workers - VietnamCurrently contains 14 photos. Here is a brief description of the work in VN posted on TTT. I am compiling a much longer detailed account which I will post after the VN friends have finished providing the details, and only after they have review and approve it. So far it's 15 pages, and includes most all the info that has been posted on TMB and other details provided in personal correspondence to Edgar and me. I have also added a new section to the TTT Menu Bar under "History" for " Splits & Divisions" It covers: Vietnam Division - Canadian workers take over - 2009-2013 - coming soon Alberta Purging, 1999 - Willis Propp Alberta Incorporation Montana Purging - Oyler and Starkweather - under construction Australia Division - Bill Carroll and Edward Cooney Greece Division - Nikolas Papadakis - Additional information wanted |
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 7, 2013 11:45:19 GMT -5
The workers dont hold a conv in Vietnam...the gov doesnt allow it. The F&Ws go to other countries for conv. Dear Cherrie, Before the arrival of these workers, we had our Vietnamese convention twice a year. I remember those time when I was at the teenager, I just waiting for the convention time and we have to travel for 12 hours to get to the convention ground, although it's a long journey but we all feel very happy to see each other and share the true fellowship together and because of that I have made my choice... The government is allowed us to have our convention unless we have to report them the participant and the content going to be share in our convention. 0When the foreigners workers come, there is no convention in Vietnam because they entered Vietnam by travelling visa so they don't have permission to preach or holding a convention.... There still have a question raised by the religious policeman that if these workers are not planning to do anything wrong for Vietnam, why they have to use travel visa to Vietnam? I think you got my ideas. The workers are working over time to keep the 2z2 fellowship as unknown as possible...thus coming into a foreign country such as VN they use travel Visa's in order to be lost in the numbers of other tourists. The 2x2 fellowship and more over the workership have suffered a great blow to their being a "little known" sect of religion due to the awful scourge of the Child Sexual perpatrators found in the workership and the friends, as well. Thus the workers are stressed and are working to keep the status quo of being little known about. Why the desire to stay little known? I would think it might point out some kind of discreptancies throughout the fellowship and particularly in the workership....and the travel Visas are just one thing they 're working to keep the workers lost within the number of other "tourists" in Vietnam! It is quite stunning to think that there is a desire within the 2x2's to be in the dark....that should tell us many things...the bible says that the dark covers the dark fruits of mankind, whereas the light reveals what is hid in the dark.....just a thought from the bible! |
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Dec 7, 2013 11:55:03 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 7, 2013 11:55:03 GMT -5
Did he not pass away? I remember reading about that somewhere....I'm not saying for sure that is true...but seems he did..may have been another "Price"...... |
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Post by CherieKropp on Dec 7, 2013 12:19:52 GMT -5
Some encouragement for our VN friends who are determined to tell the truth to the world about what is happening in VN:
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Galatians 4:16 (KJV)
Hymn 367 - Hold Fast
Hold fast thy confidence;
Lay not thine armour down.
Let neither moth nor rust destroy,
And no man take thy crown.
Hold fast eternal life;
His promises are true.
If we will firm and steadfast stand,
With strength He will renew.
Chorus:
Hold fast, hold fast to what thou hast attained;
Lay not thine armour down.
Hold fast, and be thou faithful unto death;
Let no man take thy crown.
Stand fast when tested sore,
Though keener grows the fight;
Thy Leader true has gone before:
Stand by His Spirit's might.
Our comrades have been tried
And constant hardships met;
Our God can ne'er unrighteous be
Our labour to forget.
Steadfast in heart and mind,
Come, let us follow on;
Fear not the foe; take courage new,
Till victory is won.
Thy Saviour's name hold fast;
Ne'er shun the cross or pain.
Have confidence and hope in God:
Enduring, we shall reign,
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Dec 7, 2013 12:19:57 GMT -5
Post by snow on Dec 7, 2013 12:19:57 GMT -5
Anyone know where Jack Price is currently and how he is doing? I have added a Vietnam photos section in the TTT Photo Gallery - Workers - VietnamCurrently contains 14 photos. Here is a brief description of the work in VN posted on TTT. I am compiling a much longer detailed account which I will post after the VN friends have finished providing the details, and only after they have review and approve it. So far it's 15 pages, and includes most all the info that has been posted on TMB and other details provided in personal correspondence to Edgar and me. He's had some health issues, but he's alive and well. Not sure where he is staying at present though. As far as I know anyway. |
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Post by logain on Dec 7, 2013 13:11:35 GMT -5
Uncle Jack Price is in a care home in British Columbia. He has been there for several years, mainly because of loosing his "balance". I cannot say what caused it but he was unsteady on his feet and required assistance to walk.
Until recently his mind has been clear and sharp but I was informed that he has had a couple of falls and his conversation has gotten a little unclear, repeating himself.
He is in his 90s and very dear to everyone I have ever talked to. It would surely break his heart to think of the current situation in VN.
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Dec 7, 2013 13:42:29 GMT -5
Post by aus1 on Dec 7, 2013 13:42:29 GMT -5
After reading all these posts about the desperate situation in Vietnam, I cant believe there isn't even just one senior worker or even Bram who is prepared to speak out against the despicable behaviour of these Canadian workers.
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Dec 7, 2013 15:38:40 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Dec 7, 2013 15:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Dec 7, 2013 15:49:08 GMT -5
After reading all these posts about the desperate situation in Vietnam, I cant believe there isn't even just one senior worker or even Bram who is prepared to speak out against the despicable behaviour of these Canadian workers. Marg Magowan visited some of her friends who had been kicked out of fellowship and lost her place in the work: www.anotherstep.net/summary/constructedfilth.htmSome Dale Shultz doctrine: When Dale Shultz got involved in far away Vietnam, it can be assumed it was with the knowledge and Sanction of the workers in that country? Would that include Chau and Hoa? |
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Dec 7, 2013 16:05:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2013 16:05:45 GMT -5
If some person were to claim today to have a revelation from the Lord and that all should follow such teaching, considering:
Age: (not yet 40, surrounded and followed unwaveringly by those barely of legal age,)
Sexual Behavior before: (Fathered a child our of wedlock.)
Sexual Behavior after: (known sexual behavior with women "beneath" him, no pun intended!)
Dictatorial autocratic Rule: (Absolute command authority of other workers and all friends...)
Etc. such as William Irvine revealed, would ANY of the 2&2 advocates posting here really believe that man was raised up by GOD? REALLY? I think not!
Yet with such an originating history, is there ANY wonder that such occurs today over and over across the world, bringing heartache and grief to many, and yet denied by those most loyal to said "workers?"
Think of the ones who's behavior have followed after them, only becoming known once they were dead.... Alcoholism denied and untreated, fornication, CSA, absolute dictatorial power, denial of any rights belonging to those "beneath" them. No, of course these are not the ones people believe they are "following, yet in reality, it has been, and for many today, remains.
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Dec 7, 2013 16:40:11 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Dec 7, 2013 16:40:11 GMT -5
MT: Just making sure I am understanding what you wrote correctly. Who is "them" in your statement above? RE: the person you refer to as "he" in the above statement. Are you are writing about Chau or Darrell? Who is "him" that you gave evidence to read? Who were all the workers present in the Elders meeting? Are these the same meetings? I am uncertain because of something your father wrote: Right after the big gathering with overseers (from some other countries), all the workers in the country (except uncle Châu), and all the elders from many provinces and areas...came together. They invited 3 other overseers, such as Dale Shultz, Tsutomu Miyata (Overseer of Japan) and Simeon Sarmiento (Philippines/Indonesia) They came for the elder meeting against Chau held in March, 2010, to witness they declare "Chau is not in the work anymore...Almost the friends fell down in pain...They chose many way to deal with workers according to what their feeling MT: This is what I think you are saying. That the Canadian workers were shocked at the friends reaction after they expelled Chau and they didn't quite know what to do. So Morris asked Chau to help settle the friends down and Chau encouraged the friends by phone to accept the foreign workers decisions and to submit to their authority. Then you wrote: Obey uncle Châu advice, but still disliked the way they were treating with our local workers. And that sentence confused me. Are you saying Chau advised the friends to do what he advised even tho you may dislike the way the Canadian workers were treating the local workers? Thanks for your clarification. PS. We're waiting with baited breath to hear the "lying reason"!  |
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Dec 7, 2013 17:37:18 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Dec 7, 2013 17:37:18 GMT -5
As it was once explained to me, they enter on a travel VISA because they are not a registered church in Vietnam. In most other countries in the world the friends and workers are a registered church, however, not so in Vietnam. According to the information that I've got from the religous policeman here that the 2x2 church has already registed with the goverment before 1975 under a vietnamese name. It's sứ mạng các thánh đồ. After 1975, this church continue to registe and uncle Chau & Hoa are known as the leaders in Vietnam. translates on Google to: Mission of the Saints. Whereas Minh Thanh wrote the name was: Christian Mission VN Is it possible that google is not translating the name correctly? |
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Dec 7, 2013 17:58:43 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2013 17:58:43 GMT -5
If what I know of the language is correct, so are both translations. I'm sure native speaking Vietnamese will further clarify and explain how this can be. To my understanding though, the word for Saints can just as easily translated Christans, mission is a constant. Prepositions and articles just do not exist the same, though I have no idea why VN is omitted in the one.
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Dec 7, 2013 18:18:25 GMT -5
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Post by trungnguyen2006 on Dec 7, 2013 18:18:25 GMT -5
According to the information that I've got from the religous policeman here that the 2x2 church has already registed with the goverment before 1975 under a vietnamese name. It's sứ mạng các thánh đồ. After 1975, this church continue to registe and uncle Chau & Hoa are known as the leaders in Vietnam. translates on Google to: Mission of the Saints. Whereas Minh Thanh wrote the name was: Christian Mission VN Is it possible that google is not translating the name correctly? The Christian Mission VN is correct. Sometime, google translation just use the very public word to translate. |
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Dec 7, 2013 18:21:01 GMT -5
Post by CherieKropp on Dec 7, 2013 18:21:01 GMT -5
Thanks!
In the official name, is Vietnam spelled out or just the 2 letters: "VN"
Does the name have the word "The" in front of it?
Seems like there should be: The Christian Mission OF VN
OR: Christian Mission IN VN
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Dec 7, 2013 18:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by trungnguyen2006 on Dec 7, 2013 18:40:06 GMT -5
Thanks! In the official name, is Vietnam spelled out or just the 2 letters: "VN" Does the name have the word "The" in front of it? Seems like there should be: The Christian Mission OF VN OR: Christian Mission IN VN CHIRSTIAN MISSION IN VN sounds correct. However, I will check with the registed documenas and give you the correct one. |
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Post by trungnguyen2006 on Dec 7, 2013 18:40:27 GMT -5
Thanks! In the official name, is Vietnam spelled out or just the 2 letters: "VN" Does the name have the word "The" in front of it? Seems like there should be: The Christian Mission OF VN OR: Christian Mission IN VN CHIRSTIAN MISSION IN VN sounds correct. However, I will check with the registed documenas and give you the correct one. |
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