Vietnam

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Nov 28, 2013 15:27:03 GMT -5 snow said:

Nov 28, 2013 12:24:17 GMT -5 fixit said:

You said that well Ram.

The system triumphed over the Spirit in Alberta and the Vietnam troubles are a flow-on effect of that.

The courage of the Vietnamese in supporting the work of the Spirit is commendable.

I guess if it worked once in Alberta they feel it should work again in VN. Sad. They don't seem to have any concept about the heartache they have caused. Or maybe they don't care as long as they are 'king'.

I'm not sure that they want to be King, Snow. They know that would be against the Christ nature and would be obvious to others. I personally think that they are "blinded" by the righteousness of the system and that is why the system must come first? I'm sure they think they are genuinely doing God's will. The scales have to fall from their eyes, like it has done with many and is beginning to do so with some of the Vietnamese friends.

So much is made of the system being the same all over the World, that this is believed to the core and any deviation is perceived to be out of order and thus cannot be of the Spirit, even if it is!

We should always factor in that at least in part, the Workers are also victims of the system. That is not to say that other failings play a part as well. The greatest threat to the Workers is that the system is NOT right. The system must be propped up at all costs.

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Nov 28, 2013 16:33:33 GMT -5 @ram said:

Nov 28, 2013 15:27:03 GMT -5 snow said:

I guess if it worked once in Alberta they feel it should work again in VN. Sad. They don't seem to have any concept about the heartache they have caused. Or maybe they don't care as long as they are 'king'.

I'm not sure that they want to be King, Snow. They know that would be against the Christ nature and would be obvious to others. I personally think that they are "blinded" by the righteousness of the system and that is why the system must come first? I'm sure they think they are genuinely doing God's will. The scales have to fall from their eyes, like it has done with many and is beginning to do so with some of the Vietnamese friends.

So much is made of the system being the same all over the World, that this is believed to the core and any deviation is perceived to be out of order and thus cannot be of the Spirit, even if it is!

We should always factor in that at least in part, the Workers are also victims of the system. That is not to say that other failings play a part as well. The greatest threat to the Workers is that the system is NOT right. The system must be propped up at all costs.

I think you have it right ram.

It's not really a big ego trip, but they genuinely believe they are entrusted with protecting God's Kingdom and they believe their actions are consistent with that charge.

[sharingtheriches]

Nov 28, 2013 12:24:17 GMT -5 fixit said:

Nov 28, 2013 5:23:24 GMT -5 @ram said:

It should be sufficient for them to identify the workings of the Spirit amongst the people and give the glory to God for that. Instead they appear to want the Spirit to be in subjection to their system and
quote]You said that well Ram.

The system triumphed over the Spirit in Alberta and the Vietnam troubles are a flow-on effect of that.

The courage of the Vietnamese in supporting the work of the Spirit is commendable.

Revelation 2:2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.

3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.

"Instead they appear to want the Spirit to be in subjection to their system.."

This is what we've seen in so many other situations even here in the US. All the evidence surely points in that direction...for example; when one overseer wrote an explanatory email to a young man in one of our states because this young man had made the comment about the hymns that are written by people who have never known anything about the 2x2 fellowship. The young man's comment in conv. was about a particular hymn that had spoken to him and he felt that we are having fellowship with that hymn's author because the hymn feeds our heart.

I can almost hear the collective gasps in that conv. This young man had said similar things in his regular Sun. a.m. mtg. The elders of that mtg. asked him to not take part....he desired them to explain themselves....and in the end the overseer had the last word. The overseer told the young man that the young man did not understand what the 2x2's stand for....no, he didn't say 2x2's....however the overseer went on to explain in strict words what the tenets of faith the fellowship have: the 2x2 itinerant ministry and the mtgs. in the home. There was NO mention of where Jesus came in all of that.

The beginning workers started this "great experiment" in the 1980's and their push WAS to see IF Jesus' way of doing gospel missions would work. So they tried it and found themselves being very much successful....so then as the converts kept coming they soon had to realize that NOT all of the converts could become workers, that somebody needed to be at home for the meetings and the where-with-all that kept the workers going.

I do not fault that at all.....but a religion has cropped up out of that great experiment and somewhere down the line, somebody forgot to set the tenets of faith about Jesus, but NO it's all about the 2x2 itinerant ministry and the meetings in the home. And this has caused the workers to feel they're the ones who can say whether somebody is saved or not...that ALL salvation has to come through them and IF there happened to be someone who had confessed Christ that had NO idea about this fellowship that God would in due time bring them to the workers or vice a versa.

But the latter generations of workers and some friends are holding to this idea that the 2x2 religion is the only true way and the workers fight with all they have to keep the workership's reputation to be "looking" good even to the detriment of some souls here and there. The Gentile workers are behaving like Jesus said the Gentiles acted and that was to overlord their subordinates, etc

[sharingtheriches]

Nov 28, 2013 17:04:22 GMT -5 @clearday said:

Nov 28, 2013 16:33:33 GMT -5 @ram said:

I'm not sure that they want to be King, Snow. They know that would be against the Christ nature and would be obvious to others. I personally think that they are "blinded" by the righteousness of the system and that is why the system must come first? I'm sure they think they are genuinely doing God's will. The scales have to fall from their eyes, like it has done with many and is beginning to do so with some of the Vietnamese friends.

So much is made of the system being the same all over the World, that this is believed to the core and any deviation is perceived to be out of order and thus cannot be of the Spirit, even if it is!

We should always factor in that at least in part, the Workers are also victims of the system. That is not to say that other failings play a part as well. The greatest threat to the Workers is that the system is NOT right. The system must be propped up at all costs.

I think you have it right ram.

It's not really a big ego trip, but they genuinely believe they are entrusted with protecting God's Kingdom and they believe their actions are consistent with that charge.

Isn't more of a "Pauline" belief? What I'm thinking about is when Saul of Tarsus sought to capture and irradicate all the Christian followers, he was doing it because he thought he was doing God a favor......so in the end God COULD use Paul(Saul of Tarsus) to spread this Christianity because of the "sincerity" of Saul's heart.....and so thereby Saul's eyes had to go throw the cleansing stage or as you say, the scales fell off his eyes to where he saw that this OT Israel scripture he thought he was holding to so steadfastly was prophesying this new religion of Christianity or that salvation was found through Jesus Christ.

[minhthanh]

Nov 28, 2013 10:23:28 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

To Minh Thanh & Hoan:
I heard that an Australian friend opened and owns an English school where the workers go to teach English...Is that correct?
Does it also teach Vietnamese to English speaking people?
Do you know the name of the school?  What city is it located in?
Cherie

Yes, when the Canadian workers first came to Vietnam, an Australian elder friend opened an English school in Hà Nội, to support these Canadian workers. The school operated only a few years then closed. We don't know  the name of the school and why it is closed. Because it was in the north and we live in the south, The school owner is a businessman, his name is Bram. He is vey godly, and friendly, very close to us, came to our house many times... also came to our daughter weeding too.

[minhthanh]

Nov 27, 2013 21:33:51 GMT -5 @dennisj said:

Dear Vietnamese friends: Chao! It has been almost 51 years since being in the Da Nang area, (about 25 K west and south up the Del Sol.) Was supposed to help establish a Medical Corp for the ARVN and being with USA MI (unarmed Medical Sevices advisor) was forbidden to even speak of it for forty years.

Did meet Fred A. just momentarily in the "Saigon" area on my way up to Da Nang, but could not say much. Forced to leave after a few months, so I did not get much to remember being in country with except some scars and massive doses of Q-A, which I now understand has harmed many in country, also. Wondering if any there suffer from it?


Personally, I believe it was reports from people there like myself that resulted in the base established at Da Nang rather than up around Hue. Wishing you all well, knowing you have much to face and deal with...and many of us know about it first hand. Xin chao...Or is it "chao tam biet" there now?

It's nice to know that you had worked in Đà Nẵng and Huế (We do love these place because Da Nang is my father's village, and Hue is the place my husband studied many years ago. We are going to visit Da Nang and Hue next month.
Hope in the future you can visit our country again... we will welcome you to my house too...

[snow]

Nov 28, 2013 16:33:33 GMT -5 @ram said:

Nov 28, 2013 15:27:03 GMT -5 snow said:

I guess if it worked once in Alberta they feel it should work again in VN. Sad. They don't seem to have any concept about the heartache they have caused. Or maybe they don't care as long as they are 'king'.

I'm not sure that they want to be King, Snow. They know that would be against the Christ nature and would be obvious to others. I personally think that they are "blinded" by the righteousness of the system and that is why the system must come first? I'm sure they think they are genuinely doing God's will. The scales have to fall from their eyes, like it has done with many and is beginning to do so with some of the Vietnamese friends.

So much is made of the system being the same all over the World, that this is believed to the core and any deviation is perceived to be out of order and thus cannot be of the Spirit, even if it is!

We should always factor in that at least in part, the Workers are also victims of the system. That is not to say that other failings play a part as well. The greatest threat to the Workers is that the system is NOT right. The system must be propped up at all costs.

I don't understand it, how people get so blinded by self righteousness. It seems to evident that the system is wrong. Letting go of a system will be so freeing if it ever happens for them. It's just a church like any other church, and if it's right it does not need protecting.

[fixit]

Nov 28, 2013 21:01:41 GMT -5 minhthanh said:

Nov 28, 2013 10:23:28 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

To Minh Thanh & Hoan:
I heard that an Australian friend opened and owns an English school where the workers go to teach English...Is that correct?
Does it also teach Vietnamese to English speaking people?
Do you know the name of the school?  What city is it located in?
Cherie

Yes, when the Canadian workers first came to Vietnam, an Australian elder friend opened an English school in Hà Nội, to support these Canadian workers. The school operated only a few years then closed. We don't know  the name of the school and why it is closed. Because it was in the north and we live in the south, The school owner is a businessman, his name is Bram. He is vey godly, and friendly, very close to us, came to our house many times... also came to our daughter weeding too.

Can Bram talk to the Canadian workers about this?

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Nov 28, 2013 23:39:54 GMT -5 fixit said:

Nov 28, 2013 21:01:41 GMT -5 minhthanh said:

Yes, when the Canadian workers first came to Vietnam, an Australian elder friend opened an English school in Hà Nội, to support these Canadian workers. The school operated only a few years then closed. We don't know  the name of the school and why it is closed. Because it was in the north and we live in the south, The school owner is a businessman, his name is Bram. He is vey godly, and friendly, very close to us, came to our house many times... also came to our daughter weeding too.

Can Bram talk to the Canadian workers about this?

Bram is a well known Australian businessman, in the insurance business. I have relatives who know him well who think highly of him and it is understood that he was a key person to helping the workers first get into Vietnam after it went to a market economy in the late 1980's. At the same time, he is a big worker supporter and is very unlikely to broach the Canadian workers with this, let alone oppose them for their actions. The probability is high that he would not disagree with their actions. Nice fellow but puts the system first from the information that I have.

[duyentho]

Hello, Everybody!
I am a new member here. My name is Duyên Thơ, 50 years old. I live in Saigon. I am Uncle Chau's niece. I professed when I was young. I stopped 20 years ago. Now I want to return to God's way to worship. Sadly, I don't see the nice, loving atmosphere I enjoyed in the past any more. I am interesting this board because I can know the problem of this system anywhere in the world so I want to worship God with my sincere heart and the truth in the Bible.

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Nov 28, 2013 22:36:38 GMT -5 snow said:

Nov 28, 2013 16:33:33 GMT -5 @ram said:

I'm not sure that they want to be King, Snow. They know that would be against the Christ nature and would be obvious to others. I personally think that they are "blinded" by the righteousness of the system and that is why the system must come first? I'm sure they think they are genuinely doing God's will. The scales have to fall from their eyes, like it has done with many and is beginning to do so with some of the Vietnamese friends.

So much is made of the system being the same all over the World, that this is believed to the core and any deviation is perceived to be out of order and thus cannot be of the Spirit, even if it is!

We should always factor in that at least in part, the Workers are also victims of the system. That is not to say that other failings play a part as well. The greatest threat to the Workers is that the system is NOT right. The system must be propped up at all costs.

I don't understand it, how people get so blinded by self righteousness. It seems to evident that the system is wrong. Letting go of a system will be so freeing if it ever happens for them. It's just a church like any other church, and if it's right it does not need protecting.

We humans aren't as strong or aware as we might think. Even some of the most intelligent of people get sucked into cults and crazy ideas through indoctrination. This also applies to crazy people like myself who has got a well worn T-shirt. If it happens when you are very young, it either kills you off spiritually, or you end up bound by it.

[minhthanh]

Bram is a well known Australian businessman, in the insurance business. I have relatives who know him well who think highly of him and it is understood that he was a key person to helping the workers first get into Vietnam after it went to a market economy in the late 1980's. At the same time, he is a big worker supporter and is very unlikely to broach the Canadian workers with this, let alone oppose them for their actions. The probability is high that he would not disagree with their actions. Nice fellow but puts the system first from the information that I have.



Yes, Bram worked a lot for Viet Nam. He must be very sad with the situation... Right after they chased uncle Châu out. He visited my house with miss Charlotte an Australian worker, (no preaching now, because of her health I guest).

I cried when I met him. In his arm he comforted me that "The problem will be solved..."

Some months ago I received an email from a person who followed the situation very carefully. He was very sad to let me know that:

"It seems the responsible workers didn't want to solve the problem !..."

It's the reason why we have to speak out on this board... for everyone can understand clearly our choice, our situation, and the reason why things happen like that.

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"Now I want to return to God's way to worship."

Some of us have come to believe by such experiences as being faced by you there that God's "way" and absolute for human trust was, is, and ever shall be a Being, known in the Aramaic language as Yahu'shuah (meaning "God-savior") and in the English language as "Jesus."  Those like me, whether attending meetings or not, have found God's way not to be a system as taught by workers.  THAT teaching to people like me now, is a works based religion, and is not based in a pure belief in God after all. To the contrary, that "truth" is actually a worker substituted teaching. In any case, may your belief/faith be in that which brings peace rather than the division occurring there.

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Nov 28, 2013 21:35:46 GMT -5 minhthanh said:

Hope in the future you can visit our country again... we will welcome you to my house too...

Thank you, kind one, for this invitation. I would dearly love to return to your country to visit, however at the present it seems very unlikely it will ever happen. When I told my lovely wife Kathleen ("Kay" to most everyone else, but "Katie" to me) of your kind invitation, she said, "OH, how sweet!" And I thought so, too! IF you can visit the USA, (a rather large country) we would love to share our home, be it here in Texas or up in Washington where we plan (God willing and the devil don't interfere) to live in 2015 and spend our last years on this earth, with you and yours also. So "welcome!" far in advance!


Also, we are very glad for your friendly picture! Personally, I like seeing them and think pictures make this forum a much more personable, warmer and friendly place: smile, but I recognize that is a small minority opinion. Nonetheless, I value all who are courageous enough to use one, (not saying all use a genuine picture of themselves!) But for those who do, thank you, everyone, very much!

[jondough]

What needs to be done by any administration or overseer that labors there is to acknowledge and understand what things REALLY matter. All the other things - namely traditions should go out the window. If a Sunday morning meeting wants to kneel to pray, let them kneel. If a worker wants to visit friends for any reason, let them visit.

Outside workers should be there for the right reason, - to help spread the Good News, and to encourage and unite Gods people. If they are judging and creating divisions, it better be because they are directly contradicting the very words and teaching of Jesus. Jesus words are very simple, and they are all written in red in our bible.....this shouldn't be too hard to do.

I just mentioned this situation to someone out here yesterday, and they asked "is this worker named Chau" I excitedly responded "yes" thinking they were aware of this injustice, their next response was - "yah - I heard he left the work and quit professing".

This is shameful. I am ashamed at my fellow 2X2 for the way they have conducted themselves. Open and honest is the only right way, and right now, the only people I see being open and not hiding anything about all this are the ones on this board posting. I always say, there are usually two sides to every story. But when one keeps things silent and underhanded like this....who can you trust?

Type in your Google search "Alberta excommunication" . Listen to those tapes. Unless someone claims those tapes were doctored up, they are pretty revealing. Seems nothing has yet been learned. I hope they prove otherwise.

[fixit]

The Western Alliance haven't acknowledged error in their handling of Alberta, so are destined to repeat the error as they have in Vietnam.

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Nov 29, 2013 13:50:46 GMT -5 NathanB said:

Nov 29, 2013 13:20:14 GMT -5 fixit said:

The Western Alliance haven't acknowledged error in their handling of Alberta, so are destined to repeat the error as they have in Vietnam.

If the current Canadians leadership don't change their ways of doing things or making things right in VN! No country in the world will accept or want them to labor among them! They will NOT be welcome anywhere around the world. The native friends of so and so country will chase them out of their own country! AND they KNOW how to do it too.

Wrong. They are just doing what is being done all around the world: standardizing meeting times, establishing fields, establishing overseership, telling friends to stay away from exes, asking workers if they want to quit when they aren't obeying the overseer. This all happens everywhere. Don't try to blame it all on Darrel Turner.

[fixit]

Nov 29, 2013 10:59:20 GMT -5 NathanB said:

I believe they have solved some of the problems, DT is no longer an overseer in VN, Chau has been reinstated as a worker....

Is Chau allowed to take care of the Vietnamese friends again?

Or is he still banished from his own country by the 2x2 ministry juggernaut?

[fixit]

Nov 29, 2013 14:29:36 GMT -5 NathanB said:

I pray that God will step in and fix things up... it seems many workers and the friends have tried and are NOT able to solve it yet.

God didn't create the problems so why expect him to fix them?

God doesn't force people to follow the Spirit's leading.

1 Corinthians 11:17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good.

18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it.

19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.

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Nov 29, 2013 14:03:32 GMT -5 NathanB said:

Nov 29, 2013 13:59:12 GMT -5 @clearday said:

Wrong. They are just doing what is being done all around the world: standardizing meeting times, establishing fields, establishing overseership, telling friends to stay away from exes, asking workers if they want to quit when they aren't obeying the overseer. This all happens everywhere. Don't try to blame it all on Darrel Turner.

There is MORE to it, CD... you ONLY know or read a little bit of the situation in VN.

Are you saying that Darrel has done things that have not been reported here? If so, what are they and why aren't they on the list of things that has made things bad in VN?

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One thing I have learned from my 2&2 worker experience world wide, is that stating something as being "God's Church" does not make it so, just as stating others worshiping God outside their belief structure, as excluded from those truly believing in Him does not make that so either.

[Sylvestra]

Nov 29, 2013 13:50:46 GMT -5 NathanB said:

Nov 29, 2013 13:20:14 GMT -5 fixit said:

The Western Alliance haven't acknowledged error in their handling of Alberta, so are destined to repeat the error as they have in Vietnam.

If the current Canadians leadership don't change their ways of doing things or making things right in VN! No country in the world will accept or want them to labor in their country! They cause more trouble then help! They will NOT be welcome anywhere around the world. The native friends of so and so country will chase these trouble workers out of their own country! AND they KNOW how to do it too.

Amen! to your post, JD. Many 0f the friends in USA, just heard half of the story about Chau and Hoa. They haven't heard the whole story. Ask them if they know or heard the whole story of what is really going on in VN? next time.

Amen to this Nathan!  I was just thinking earlier in the thread after WP being involved in both the Alberta and the VN issues, the next place that sees him arrive are going to be SO cautious!   But, my guess is the the friends that the area will know little to nothing about either situation because they don't read about their church on the internet!!!   My heart hurts for his NEXT victims!

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Edy, do you (or anyone else?) know if the incorporation of their religion in Sweden at WP's somewhat hidden hand, has EVER been renounced as it was in Canada?  Edgar, do you know?

[fixit]

Just noticed Sylvestra's tagline - it sums up the Vietnam troubles very well:

"What they fail to see is that enforcing unity of form in fact hinders unity of Spirit." -Persona non grata, 5/24/13

[fixit]

Nov 29, 2013 16:58:18 GMT -5 NathanB said:

NOT just DT but with the current overseer also... I better NOT share it on TMB. I just got a swift of it from those who are involved in VN and it NOT so good... They could end up in JAIL in VN AND getting kicked out of the country afterwards!

How would that be not so good?

[minhthanh]

Chau is a tough place, right now because he's no longer in charge like he and Hoa callings all the shots before. The "golden time" friends want his help but he is under the control of the Current adm. so, he must fit in whatever they have planned for him. Chau is going back to VN in January! His hands are tied. Some of the friends and workers listen to the Current Adm. and pay a little attention to Chau's advices. May God direct Chau's steps on how to handle the situation in VN without getting into hot water. Perhaps, many of the friends don't understand Chau's difficult position. I pray that God will step in and fix things up... it seems many workers and the friends have tried and are NOT able to solve it yet.


The "golden time" friends

Thank you to call us like this, because we still keep on our very precious thing "The Love and the Unity of God among us... in the golden time till now..."

Yes, that's right. When uncle Châu returns home, he will  face with an extremely difficult situation... Not only for both side but also with the law of the government about these foreigner workers. He do love the workers, the friends... Because in the past (Before the Canadian workers coming) we all leading under the Spirit of God. We love each others, we unite in serving God, and sharing joy or sorrow... He is still keeping on their system because of the soul of many friends and workers.
We all pray for him. He is tied in their rule now... (I will prove you later). But I do believe GOD still control... with all HIS POWER will cut off all the strings... and fix thing for us.
The purpose I'm being here as my friend required just let you can see the true image. I say the truth I don't be afraid because the truth just one. (Maybe some one who involve with this problem, dislike with true things I have posted here.)

[minhthanh]

Chau and Hoa and the "golden friends" in VN were under that 2x2 system. God has blessed the Vietnamese friends and workers! with a LOVING, harmony, and working together as a FAMILY of God should be for about 40 yrs .... the awesome results when the good shepherds in charge of the flock of God with a loving, tender care without selfish motives.



We never know or under any system of man but GOD system had given to us in the Bible. After liberation day we can't connect with workers or friends around the world. Till Cliffton came...
God has blessed the Vietnamese friends and workers! with a LOVING, harmony, and working together as a FAMILY of God 

You are right Nathan... We have all these things because we have put our life under the control and leading of the Spirit of God, and the result was LOVE & UNITY.
I do wish a big gathering again, and the leader will listen every thought of our friends, and solve this problem according to what God has taught in the Bible (not with their system). I believe God will help who are trust in HIM, and want solve the situation.

[minhthanh]

Today we have Bible reading in James 2...
James 2

1 My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism. 2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in filthy old clothes also comes in. 3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,” 4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?



A very painful picture coming back to my mind... my heart broke and my eyes shed tears again... 
The picture in the Bible looks bad, because the poor sits on the floor... 
In VietNam the poor were chased out !...
There was a very poor young family living in the countryside... The parents still young but already had 3 children, life became very difficult for them. The parents worked hard from early morning until midnight to earn money for their family.
One time, we and uncle Chau visited them... 4 of us dashed into work with them in order they would finish earlier and we could sit together in the fellowship. That day the work finished at eight we had dinner together then sharing and listening... we went to bed nearly 11 at night... very tired !... Working with them, we could know how hard in their life. We did value their effort to have time  to go to the meeting.
Because  they lived far from Saigon, they had to change the bus three times to get at the meeting place.

The father and his oldest boy came to Saigon once Sunday, It's was a special time so he asked uncle Châu if they could come to the special meeting place, near my father house. Uncle Châu asked my father take them there. They all sat in the meeting room (very large and superb room... because the foreign couple stayed there very rich. They were asked everybody came into that meeting had to have the name in the list). 
How could we know if the boy and his father could come from a distance of 80Km away, we valued the time and the money they had spent to arrive... But because  they didn't have the name in the list... Darrel.  ordered they had to go out (although they already  had seated in the meeting respectfully). They had to leave that place  with tear in their eyes, before the witnessing of many friends in the room .We all broke our heart when we heard this happening, and we were sure that if they were rich, they would be welcomed heartly.(Uncle Châu met a little trouble with DT because broke his rule)
They felt  sad and not go to the meeting again for years... They are happy now for the visiting and feeding of uncle Hoa.

How are you feeling!... We all know that God has plan to bring the salvation to the poor, How sadly they behaved in my country.