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Post by rational on Jun 19, 2013 15:06:53 GMT -5
Cherie, your answer about it being due to lice sounds like a more reasonable explanation. Yes, much more likely given the problems with lice now that they are becoming resistant to the common treatments. Cutting the hair to make it come in thicker - sounds like a myth. |
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Jun 19, 2013 17:12:09 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on Jun 19, 2013 17:12:09 GMT -5
I would wonder how much adversity the Canadian workers give the VN professing folks about wearing something that is not of their culture....I know for the islands and countries where it is tropical, the workers have been forced to accept that the native women in those countries wear their hair very short,, otherwise it would be unbearable! Do you have some examples of where women have short hair because of the heat? I do not recall this in any of the places I have visited. The split reveals the pants. Is the possibility of a glimpse of pants really that distracting? Rat, in the under developed countries such as Haiti, the 2x2 women are not held to growing long hair and pinning it up...simply because of the heat and the need to keep parasites from finding lovely nests within their very curly/frizzy hair....Haiti is not the only country so approach by the demands of the 2x2 workers. As to the "splits" of skirts and/or tunics, IF you were ever "sex-starved" like some of these workers, then you might understand their reasoning about the "distracting" nature of said issues! |
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Jun 19, 2013 17:17:47 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on Jun 19, 2013 17:17:47 GMT -5
PNG wrote: While not specifically due to the heat, in Sri Lanka many of our friends' young girls have very short (shorn) hair. This is done to promote thicker, fuller hair later on.About 30 years ago I was visiting Shilani Goonetillekie (deceased) who was from Sri Lanka. All her family had emigrated to the Los Angeles area, as did some other Sri Lanka friends. When she showed me her photo album, I noticed all the female children of the friends and her family had short hair. I commented on it and was told it was due to the lice. That if the parents didnt cut their hair short to help control lice, that the school would cut it. Shilani told me the girls grew their hair longer when they were old enough to take care of it themselves. Shilani drove me around LA to some sites and took me to her family's home where we had snacks after gospel meeting. I asked about the sari and nothing doing - but they slooped me into a bedroom and dressed me in one! Not to be outdone, the males made a turban out for my brother, who was a bit disgruntled about it! Both are native clothing in Sri Lanka. Shilani wore what she called "western clothes" as she worked in the public. I was used to that term being applied to the western style of cowboy shirts. Her mother still wore the saris. They insisted I take the sari material and blouse with me! I wish I remembered how they make them - the sari is all held together by a single safety pin! No sewing is done. (the blouse is separate.) Amazing! Fond memories. Somewhere I have a photo of my brother and I as they dressed us in these clothes. A couple years ago I was quite surprised to meet Shilani's husband at the gathering after my father in law's funeral in California. I should have said " I was told that this is done..." The worker who told me that seemed compelled to offer an explanation without me even inquiring about the issue. Cherie, your answer about it being due to lice sounds like a more reasonable explanation. The trimming of hair on women is still practiced amongst today modern beauticians. I heard one beautician tell a couple of her regular clients to return 6 wks after the perm had been put in their hair for a "hair trim."! Her explanation it was to keep the hair growing by trimming any of the frizzled or burned ends of the hair due to the application of perms, hot curling irons, hot curls, even constant usuage of hairdryers. She definitely said that trimming th hair will keep it growing healthily! |
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Jun 20, 2013 6:30:23 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jun 20, 2013 6:30:23 GMT -5
Do you have some examples of where women have short hair because of the heat? I do not recall this in any of the places I have visited. The split reveals the pants. Is the possibility of a glimpse of pants really that distracting? Rat, in the under developed countries such as Haiti, the 2x2 women are not held to growing long hair and pinning it up...simply because of the heat and the need to keep parasites from finding lovely nests within their very curly/frizzy hair....Haiti is not the only country so approach by the demands of the 2x2 workers. Many women have long hair. Some have shorter hair. It appears to be a matter of style rather than because of the heat. Many have long hair and put in up in cloth wrappings. This is probably what you believe but the facts do not support your premise. When you go without sex for a while, levels of the critical hormone testosterone drop, in both men and women. Lower testosterone means a lower sex drive. A bit of projection perhaps? |
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Jun 20, 2013 9:09:25 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on Jun 20, 2013 9:09:25 GMT -5
Rat, in the under developed countries such as Haiti, the 2x2 women are not held to growing long hair and pinning it up...simply because of the heat and the need to keep parasites from finding lovely nests within their very curly/frizzy hair....Haiti is not the only country so approach by the demands of the 2x2 workers. Many women have long hair. Some have shorter hair. It appears to be a matter of style rather than because of the heat. Many have long hair and put in up in cloth wrappings. This is probably what you believe but the facts do not support your premise. When you go without sex for a while, levels of the critical hormone testosterone drop, in both men and women. Lower testosterone means a lower sex drive. A bit of projection perhaps? Naturally, you're going to slam whatever any person states in these situations of "celibacy enforcement"! I only stated what workers have said either to me or in my presence in regards to what they'd experienced in the tropical climates.....fact being that many of the natives just can't grow long hair, and others find that long hair is a great care concern.....course folks that don't care about the number of parasites int heir cloth bound heads might be like you and call it someone's projection......keep defying what some of us have learned while in the 2x2's, Rat, you often are more apt to be showing YOUR ignorance in your trying to show someone else's! And NO, I don't have it in writing, so that c reates the opening for you to call it my "projection"....I never experienced such, Rat, but I am close to some workers who have experienced it. |
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Jun 20, 2013 9:14:35 GMT -5
Post by sharingtheriches on Jun 20, 2013 9:14:35 GMT -5
If there is a problem with unsuitable thoughts -- the problem must be in the mind of the 'thinker' rather than the object they think about. Makes a person wonder what kind of foul mind workers really have - if they can't look at a pair of legs without being aroused!!!! Somewhat the same reasoning in some sick cultures that women should be punished for being raped!! Edgar, you raise a good point...I think if we were to really know who the workers are that get so out of whack with splits and pants on women, we'd like find that those workers ARE indeed sexually frustrated simply because they have "tasted" of sex, but it isn't as always available to them as it is at other times.......I know one elder worker did admit that once a man gets a taste of that, it is very hard to do without it! Strange that coming from a worker who'd been in the work many years! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 11:35:06 GMT -5
If there is a problem with unsuitable thoughts -- the problem must be in the mind of the 'thinker' rather than the object they think about. Makes a person wonder what kind of foul mind workers really have - if they can't look at a pair of legs without being aroused!!!! Somewhat the same reasoning in some sick cultures that women should be punished for being raped!! Edgar, you raise a good point...I think if we were to really know who the workers are that get so out of whack with splits and pants on women, we'd like find that those workers ARE indeed sexually frustrated simply because they have "tasted" of sex, but it isn't as always available to them as it is at other times.......I know one elder worker did admit that once a man gets a taste of that, it is very hard to do without it! Strange that coming from a worker who'd been in the work many years! Even the New Testiment Paul (the greatest male chauvanist of them all!!!) said that it was 'better to marry than to burn' ---- My knowledge of ordinary young men from the normal 2x2 environments where workers come from , is that they are normal men, with the normal hormon influence --- Very very few don't feel this burning pull!!!! It is unnatural and unscriptural and dangerous to enforce cellibacy as 2x2ism does. I know there are exceptions, but I am not sure that these 'sexually neutral folks', are necesarily the most suitable workers!!! |
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Jun 20, 2013 12:37:44 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jun 20, 2013 12:37:44 GMT -5
Naturally, you're going to slam whatever any person states in these situations of "celibacy enforcement"! No, it wasn't a slam. It was data that did not support your premise that the sex drive of celibate people does not increase but in fact decreases. Or it could be that the anecdotal stories you have related are just that - anecdotal.What you posted did not have a lot to do with the 2x2s. It was women cutting their hair in the tropics because of the heat and celibate people having a higher sex drive. I didn't really need an opening. But you, as a normal functioning sexual person (I am assuming) simply projected how you would feel if deprived from sex - being distracted by looking through the silt in a tunic to see the pants worn underneath.So you said. You must be really close - I don't think there are many workers that discuss their sex lives, or lack thereof, with people. It must be a comfort for them to have someone like you to confide in regarding the natural tensions they face. |
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Jun 20, 2013 12:42:02 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jun 20, 2013 12:42:02 GMT -5
Even the New Testiment Paul (the greatest male chauvanist of them all!!!) said that it was 'better to marry than to burn' What would cause the burning. Some have suggested that Paul was a repressed homosexual. Certainly would explain some things! |
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More correspondence regarding the poor folks grief over the Vietnam takeover by the Canadian workers. Summary of correspondence |
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Jun 21, 2013 11:00:23 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jun 21, 2013 11:00:23 GMT -5
...by this time he'd had a strong and was hard for him to exactly explain why the change in his thinking...but he had experienced the workers supposedly being celebate...one middle aged sister came on to him pretty strong and then when he stepped into that encouragement she wanted to vilify him! It was her fault, she wanted some but then she decided she couldn't have him so she did her best to bust us up over that little set too....he said at the time her hormones were running away from her and her itch for a man was really driving her wacky! It is this kind of anecdotal story that perpetuates the myth that celibacy increases sex drive. |
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Jun 22, 2013 2:58:15 GMT -5
Post by quizzer on Jun 22, 2013 2:58:15 GMT -5
More correspondence regarding the poor folks grief over the Vietnam takeover by the Canadian workers. Summary of correspondenceAnyway we can help, edgar? |
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More correspondence regarding the poor folks grief over the Vietnam takeover by the Canadian workers. Summary of correspondenceAnyway we can help, edgar? I know these people appreciate the understanding and concern that others outside feel for their situation. ... And that would include the kind thoughts that are sent their way from this board. Like I have said to them, I have very little confidence that the workers will change their position or do anything to support these folks in their concerns. Workers don't ever back down from mistakes they make -- at best they ignore them and pretend that it has never happened. But in this case, I believe the solution for these folks lies in the 'next step' of their journey ... having the courage to launch into the will of God, independant of the whims , fancies and power politics of the 2x2 self-appointed leadership. For folks as immersed in 2x2 doctrine for as long as they have this requires enormous faith!!! -- and they will get no help from the folks they have trusted up till now in their lives. Thanks for your concern, and I try to share your concern with them when I get a chance. -- It means a lot to them. |
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Jun 22, 2013 14:58:53 GMT -5
Post by snow on Jun 22, 2013 14:58:53 GMT -5
Edgar, do they have access to this board?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 15:51:00 GMT -5
Edgar, do they have access to this board? I don't really know ---- but I somehow doubt it. |
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Jun 22, 2013 15:56:35 GMT -5
Post by snow on Jun 22, 2013 15:56:35 GMT -5
Edgar, do they have access to this board? I don't really know ---- but I somehow doubt it. Would it be possible for them? they would certainly get support here even if they just read? |
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I don't really know ---- but I somehow doubt it. Would it be possible for them? they would certainly get support here even if they just read? I am sure it is possible - they obviously have Internet.. and I am sure they will find it, when it's time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 17:28:12 GMT -5
Would it be possible for them? they would certainly get support here even if they just read? I am sure it is possible - they obviously have Internet.. and I am sure they will find it, when it's time. I can say that this board is not a restricted site in Vietnam so access to the Internet would make access to this site possible. I thought I read something in one of the letters that indicated to me that someone was aware of your postings. Will have to have another look through the letters to find it. |
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Jun 23, 2013 5:41:44 GMT -5
Post by quizzer on Jun 23, 2013 5:41:44 GMT -5
Anyway we can help, edgar? I know these people appreciate the understanding and concern that others outside feel for their situation. ... And that would include the kind thoughts that are sent their way from this board. Like I have said to them, I have very little confidence that the workers will change their position or do anything to support these folks in their concerns. Workers don't ever back down from mistakes they make -- at best they ignore them and pretend that it has never happened. But in this case, I believe the solution for these folks lies in the 'next step' of their journey ... having the courage to launch into the will of God, independant of the whims , fancies and power politics of the 2x2 self-appointed leadership. For folks as immersed in 2x2 doctrine for as long as they have this requires enormous faith!!! -- and they will get no help from the folks they have trusted up till now in their lives. Thanks for your concern, and I try to share your concern with them when I get a chance. -- It means a lot to them. Thanks for staying in touch with them. I wish I could disagree about your 2x2 understanding, but the workers are big on tradition and their traditions have caused this problem way too often in the past. For now, I'm glad that these folks have someone to talk with - to help them understand that this isn't just in their head, that they have options, and that they're not in the wrong. Thank you. |
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Sept 24, 2013 18:48:09 GMT -5
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From Dale Shultz's letter to those who raised concerns about the ministry's unrighteous behavior: "Whether the decision is right or wrong, the right thing for all of us is to respect it because of those who have made the judgement." If that's not proof of an organization being a cult I don't think anything can be. The workers aren't Jesus -- they're far from perfect, and it's blasphemy by christian standards to state that they should be treated as such. |
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Sept 24, 2013 19:49:49 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Sept 24, 2013 19:49:49 GMT -5
To put this in perspective, I'll include the foregoing sentences:
We could wonder why the support remains so solidly behind Willis and Jim, and it would be possible to advance a number of possible reasons. We know that this stand has been taken after hearing a number of concerns expressed from both workers and friends. I would just like to encourage you to accept this support that Willis and Jim have at the present time as a reality and to respect that decision because it comes from a group of men whom God has called and whom God is using in guiding his work in this part of the earth. If our attitude towards them becomes disrespectful, it is a reflection on our attitude towards God as well.
We realize that the fact that we are servants of God, or even very responsible servants of God, doesn't make us infallible. However, something that is very much a part of being a child of God is to respect those who are over us in the Lord, to pray for them, to obey them, to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake.
Their judgement may not always be right, but it is always right for us to respect that judgement and to work with it in the best way that we possibly can.
So, there are two possibilities regarding the decision of the overseers to maintain and support the status quo in Alberta. One possibility is that the decision is a right decision for the province. That would mean that they are seeing some things in the picture that some of us are missing when we look at it. Another possibility is that it was not the best decision for the province. But, whichever is the applicable possibility in this case, it does remain the right thing to respect that decision because of where it has come from and to work with it no matter what our own thoughts might be on the subject.
This is a very practical area where we can exercise the teaching of 11 Corinthians 10:5, "- bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." We may think that we are "obeying men" and not "obeying Christ" when we submit to something that seems wrong to our own thinking. However, the scriptures teach so much about submission e.g. to the government of the land, wives to husbands, children to parents, the Lord's people to the ministry, etc. That teaching doesn't just apply when the governments, husbands, parents or workers are 100% on the right track, but it applies in a very comprehensive way. We also know that a point could be reached in these different relationships in which submission is generally expected where, because of some deep conviction before God, we would feel that we could not submit to something that is being asked of us. However, there is also great danger in "not submitting" and in taking a rebel attitude when the situation doesn't warrant that extreme position in God's mind.
So, I would like to encourage all of you to accept the present situation, knowing that quite a bit has been done to bring concerns to the attention of the overseers. The present situation remains in spite of these concerns having been very publicly expressed and drawn to the attention of the overseers. Whether the decision is right or wrong, the right thing for all of us is to respect it because of those who have made the judgement. If the decision is wrong, I am sure that the Lord will have ways of correcting that over time. He still is very much on the throne. In the final analysis, there are some things that we just have to leave in his hands. I believe that for anyone to try to force changes now, after all that has been done to bring issues into focus, that it could mean lust being very much out of our place.
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Post by fixit on Sept 24, 2013 23:59:34 GMT -5
One senior worker once said to me that the Bible was written many years ago and the workers have to add teaching and doctrine to ensure it is relevant for today's situation. I smiled and simply said "What an awesome responsibility to carry and what an incredibly dangerous position to be in". We had a nice conversation but when your paradigm of thinking is that you are exclusively called by God and all other religions are denominations are false you can get away with just about anything - even to the point where the worker's sacrifice is often elevated to exceed that of the sacrifice of Jesus (it generally takes up more content at Conventions. That's very similar to Catholic Church teaching. From Catholics United for the Faith...we must acknowledge that Tradition and Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God, which is entrusted to the Church (Dei Verbum, no. 10). We must further recognize that the task of safeguarding (cf. 1 Tim. 6:20) and interpreting the Word of God, oral or written, has been entrusted to the Magisterium alone (Dei Verbum, no. 10; 2 Thess. 2:15). The doctrine of Mary’s Perpetual Virginity brings to light two distinct errors that are rooted in misconceptions concerning the nature of divine Revelation. The first error is the “sola Scriptura” approach that collapses the Word of God to merely that which has been written, thereby denying the role of Tradition and the Magisterium. Curiously, such a position, developed during the Protestant Reformation, is not taught in Scripture. Indeed, the testimony of Scripture conveys otherwise. For example, in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, St. Paul exhorts his followers to “stand firm and hold fast to the traditions [they] were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter. . . .” In 1 Timothy 3:15, St. Paul further states that the Church is “the pillar and bulwark of the truth.” Sola Scriptura constitutes an attempt to understand Scriptures apart from Mother Church, even though the Church was “alive” for decades before the New Testament in its entirety was written, and for centuries before the Church definitively determined which texts were inspired. |
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When young, trying to comprehend being what I did not fully understand (being pragmatic) deepened what was an impossibility for me. Now, that depth to a pool of pragmatism merely expands itself and increases an awareness formerly largely more mystifying than revealing. Wan smile, if this is not a comment easily understood, that makes sense to me now and may do so also for the very same reader even just a wee bit later on... Most of you just arn't as slow to catch on as this old fool.
So it is with this topic, and perhaps with many taught to merely deny things of which they are ignorant or unaware. Guess if there is hope for me, there is hope for others, eh?
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 12, 2013 16:46:44 GMT -5
Mr. Bau kindly answered my questions and recently emailed the following information to Edgar and me.
Dear ones in the name of Jesus Christ, By chance, I get to know Cherie Kropp, a lady who owns the website “Telling The Truth” (TTT). She also asks me some questions concerning the way of God in Viet Nam. Truely to say, if these questions came to me 50 years ago, I would have been so happy to write, not now! After praying, thinking some months, I felt that I need to write, because this is the time, there are many people in Vietnam and in other countries misunderstand in many ways about God’s way in Vietnam. I’ll introduce myself by the next pages. Nguyen Huu Bau
The Way of God Come to Vietnam
When did the workers first arrive? In 1957 Who were the first brother workers to arrive? Where were they from? Fred Allen from Queensland, Australia and Maurice Archer from New Zealand. Who were the first sister workers to arrive? Where were they from? Phyllis Munn and Bonnie Dahlin from USA in early 1960. Who were the first native workers to go in the work and when? First native brother workers: Nguyen Thanh Hoa and Vu Ngoc Chau in 1967. First native sister workers: Ho Thu Anh 1973 Who were the first to profess, what year and where? Nguyen Thanh Hoa and Vu Ngoc Chau in June 1961 in Saigon. Who were the first married couple to profess? Mr. & Mrs. Nguyen Huu Bau When & where was the first Gospel meeting held? At 123 Ba Huyen Thanh Quan Str., District 3, Saigon in 1958. When & Where was the first Sunday fellowship meeting held? At the brothers’ batch at 378D Đien Bien Phu Str, District 3, Saigon in 1961. (from June to November because there were a few friends with 4 workers). The fellowship meetings with bread and cup were held in the house of Mr. & Mrs. Bau in December 1961) When & Where was the first baptism held? In early 1962 at a swimming pool in Saigon. When and Where was the first convention held? At the brothers’ batch in Saigon from 1962-1982 and at Youth Hostel in Dalat from 1963-1966. Where the convention now held? No conventions now. Just only 2 special meetings at the beginning and midle of the year. Who have the Overseers been? Fred Allen, Nguyen Thanh Hoa & Vu Ngoc Chau, Cliff Toane, Jim Chaffee, Morris Grovum, Darrel Turner, Lyle Shultz from Canada. -1957 to 1975 Fred Allen ( he had to leave Vietnam due to the communist occupied the South of Vietnam and handed the responsibility to Nguyen Thanh Hoa & Vu Ngoc Chau until 1992 when Cliff came…(a) -1992 Cliff Toane from Canada came to visit, but couldn’t stay in Vietnam. As Fred Allen could not be in VN either, so he asked Cliff to assume the overseership in VN and Châu and Hoa cooperated with him. -1997 (?) Cliff couldn’t continue and handed the responsibility to Jim Chaffee from Hong Kong. In turn he handed the responsibility to Morris Grovum (from Canada) , then Morris handed to Darrel Turner (from Canada). (b) -2011 Darrel handed the responsibility to Lyle Shultz from Canada until now. (c) (2013) (a) These 2 local workers Nguyen Thanh Hoa & and Vu Ngoc Chau, God’s people respect them very much. They take care of the folk devotedly, even in the most difficult time. Although in 1992 to 1999, Cliff Toane & Jim Chaffee came to Vietnam but just for visiting. Sometimes in a year, both of them couldn’t stay even 1 month! (b) By early 1990s the government opened the door, these 2 workers Morris Grovum and Darrel Turner from Canada could stay in Vietnam (under the name of learning, teaching or working... but not preaching). The word “overseer” was first heard by us by this time. They used their authorities to change many things...and never discussed with Châu and Hoa even one word! They associated with some other overseers (the main one was Dale Schultz) and invited them to Vietnam and found the way to drive Châu out from his ministry! Many elders, friends disagreed with such actions, so they stood up, spoke and wrote many letters to them. The situation has been getting worse and worse. That is the reason Dale Schultz sent Lyle Schultz to take place of Darrel Turner. They had expelled Châu out of work until Darrel left Vietnam!!! They did not let Châu preach in Vietnam. They sent him to Cambodia, East Timor, Australia... (while sending many foreinger workers to Việt Nam). Meanwhile, Uncle Hoa saw these wrong things, he wrote a heart letter to all God’s people to let them know that he couldn’t cooperate with such overseers. In the heart letter, he showed that he would like to continue to offer his whole life to serve the Lord in the right way as he had done previously. (c) At first Lyle Schultz was welcomed because he said he came to restore the unity and peace. In fact, day by day we didn’t see anything as he promised but his action revealed that he wanted to conceal the wrong things of Darrel and made the division more and more seriously!!! (we had the feeling Lyle Shultz came here to defend for his nation, not for the God’s Kingdom. So, owing to these causes, now in Vietnam there are two parts: 1. More than 100 elders and friends in many provinces, cities, villages and Uncle Hoa. They want to keep the truth as before. Sad to say there are some workers cannot understand clearly, so they dare to write letters to require us to turn back! No, we keep on as in Revelation 2:25 “only hold fast to what you have till I come” 2. The rest follow the Canadian overseer! Many of them have just professed in a short time, so they don’t know of our golden time before.
 More will follow...to read earlier letters go to: www.anotherstep.net/vietnam/
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Nov 12, 2013 19:29:17 GMT -5
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Thanks for all that Cherie.
I think one of the underlying causes of these problems are rooted in an attitude of imperialism. It is assumed that VN is owned and controlled by the white North Americans and the VN people are pretty much just ignorant natives incapable of operating the fellowship. They may not consciously think of it that way, but that is probably an underlying assumption. Just imagine a worker from India or South Korea coming over to the US and start directing the workers around. It didn't likely occur to them that that is what the Canadians were doing in Vietnam to the workers there. I don't blame the locals there for being upset. My short experience in Vietnam tells me that they are intelligent and capable people, and that the assumption and control of overseership from California is a huge affront to them and a real blunder by the North American workers.
If DT didn't work well with the locals there, you can be sure that LS is going to make things even worse based on a comparison of personalities. The way it will likely shake down eventually is that the VN people who are willing to follow the North American leaders will be the only ones left. As Mr.Bau suggests, it is likely that the "Golden Time" in VN is over. That may not bother the North American leadership as they would prefer to have fewer people if they all "fit in" to their way of doing things than a larger group who has some people who would like to do things more appropriately to Vietnamese culture.
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 13, 2013 9:53:31 GMT -5
Saigon, 30-10-2013
Dear ones,
My name is Bau, 84 years old, my wife 81. Both of us used to belong The Protestant way. By chance I met the Way of God, so both of us professed the same night in 1961. We were the first couple in The Way in Vietnam. Our home also was the first place for the fellowship meeting with bread and cup.
We had 7 children, 11 grand children and 6 great grand children. Four of my children opened their houses for fellowship meetings with bread and cup, too.
I had had great privileges to meet thousands of friends and hundreds of workers in 9 countries such as London, Paris, Australia and USA...I used to send letters, email to 50 ones within 18 countries each time. Especially we had a very good opportunity to welcome many workers and friends from abroad, particularly the American soldier by the time the war in Vietnam. We did enjoy so much in God’s Way. How wonderful it is!
But- how sad to say! These golden chapters couldn’t continue as it should! Since 2000, the Canadian workers came and overseer appeared as you see in the map, many things were changed...we pray for any miracles to happen to change the situation but hopeless. So last three years until now we have our own meetings, we keep on much better. Our fellowship meetings now are so good, so sweet.
We learn that the solution for any cases and anywhere that keep the truth and go on. Reading the church in Revelation we see clearly a lot of trouble but one verse was a comfort to us: “only hold fast to what you have till I come” Rev 2:25.
Best wishes
NGUYEN HUU BAU
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