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Post by sacerdotal on Mar 6, 2013 13:38:27 GMT -5
From The Globe and Mail:Mother Teresa believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross, they suggest.
“There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s Passion. The world gains much from their suffering,” the journalist Christopher Hitchens reported her as saying.Many workers and friends believe the same thing. Whatever lot you are in in life, just accept it. And they won't lift one finger to help. Thankfully, some friends and workers DO NOT believe that rubbish, and actually believe Jesus when he reminded them that even a drink of cold water to another, has a reward. But, back to the hypocrisy of Mother Teresa: The study authors note that doctors visiting many of the 517 “homes for the dying” run by Mother Teresa observed unhygienic conditions and a shortage of actual care, food and painkillers. Lack of funds were no explanation, since Mother Teresa’s order of the Missionaries of Charity had raised hundreds of millions in aid money. When the nun herself was in need of medical treatment, “she received it in a modern American hospital,” they point out.I agree with the authors of the study: "Mother Teresa’s image of altruism is a myth"This myth making of religious leaders, even the workers, causes more harm than good. A myth is a lie, and has no place in God's kingdom, or any other kingdom. www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/mother-teresa-was-anything-but-a-saint-new-canadian-study-finds/article9317551/
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Post by sacerdotal on Mar 6, 2013 14:01:01 GMT -5
!) Sacerdotal wrote: "Many workers and friends believe the same thing. Whatever lot you are in in life, just accept it. And they won't lift one finger to help. Thankfully, some friends and workers DO NOT believe that rubbish, and actually believe Jesus when he reminded them that even a drink of cold water to another, has a reward." ~~ That's SO SAD, these friends and workers will MISS so many blessings, rewards for NOT helping others, the poor, needy within and without of the fellowship. The workers MUST encourage the friends to have Faith and Actions go hand in hand.James 2:14-26 Faith and Deeds14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless ? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Good post, Nathan.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 6, 2013 15:15:36 GMT -5
From The Globe and Mail:Mother Teresa believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross, they suggest.
“There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s Passion. The world gains much from their suffering,” the journalist Christopher Hitchens reported her as saying.Many workers and friends believe the same thing. Whatever lot you are in in life, just accept it. And they won't lift one finger to help. Thankfully, some friends and workers DO NOT believe that rubbish, and actually believe Jesus when he reminded them that even a drink of cold water to another, has a reward. But, back to the hypocrisy of Mother Teresa: The study authors note that doctors visiting many of the 517 “homes for the dying” run by Mother Teresa observed unhygienic conditions and a shortage of actual care, food and painkillers. Lack of funds were no explanation, since Mother Teresa’s order of the Missionaries of Charity had raised hundreds of millions in aid money. When the nun herself was in need of medical treatment, “she received it in a modern American hospital,” they point out. [/color] I agree with the authors of the study: "Mother Teresa’s image of altruism is a myth"This myth making of religious leaders, even the workers, causes more harm than good. A myth is a lie, and has no place in God's kingdom, or any other kingdom. www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/mother-teresa-was-anything-but-a-saint-new-canadian-study-finds/article9317551/[/quote] Thank you for pointing that out about Mother Teresa!
I had heard that about her also!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 15:26:35 GMT -5
I always found it interesting when certain workers sought medical care all over the country at the expense of I'm not sure. The government? friends? If a poor friend got sick they would have to get what ever care was available where ever they lived. I also found it interesting that workers don't let nature take its course. Don't they have more to DIE for? ? There was some worker from CA that went to all the best cancer hospital in the US. He stated at my sisters house in MA. Was that so he could spread the gospel. I hear he is buried at the big fancy convention grounds out there. They also sent workers from NE to be with him when he died. Were the CA workers not able to do that??? Why the waste of MONEY? He only stated at the wealthiest of homes also.
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Post by snow on Mar 6, 2013 16:28:49 GMT -5
From The Globe and Mail:Mother Teresa believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross, they suggest.
“There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s Passion. The world gains much from their suffering,” the journalist Christopher Hitchens reported her as saying.Many workers and friends believe the same thing. Whatever lot you are in in life, just accept it. And they won't lift one finger to help. Thankfully, some friends and workers DO NOT believe that rubbish, and actually believe Jesus when he reminded them that even a drink of cold water to another, has a reward. But, back to the hypocrisy of Mother Teresa: The study authors note that doctors visiting many of the 517 “homes for the dying” run by Mother Teresa observed unhygienic conditions and a shortage of actual care, food and painkillers. Lack of funds were no explanation, since Mother Teresa’s order of the Missionaries of Charity had raised hundreds of millions in aid money. When the nun herself was in need of medical treatment, “she received it in a modern American hospital,” they point out.I agree with the authors of the study: "Mother Teresa’s image of altruism is a myth"This myth making of religious leaders, even the workers, causes more harm than good. A myth is a lie, and has no place in God's kingdom, or any other kingdom. www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/mother-teresa-was-anything-but-a-saint-new-canadian-study-finds/article9317551/ Yes I have heard she believed in suffering and withheld pain killers etc. While she did care for many that would not have even had a place to be in the end, she also had that side to her.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Mar 6, 2013 18:47:42 GMT -5
I don't agree with you, sacerdotal, on mother Teresa's hypocrisy. I don't know about monetary details, but I've read too many books by people who served next to her and told what she was really like from their personal experience ... rather than from an atheist looking to discredit religion by smearing one of its most saintly figureheads.
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Post by déjà vu on Mar 6, 2013 19:12:12 GMT -5
good point thanks DD
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Post by snow on Mar 6, 2013 19:52:08 GMT -5
I don't agree with you, sacerdotal, on mother Teresa's hypocrisy. I don't know about monetary details, but I've read too many books by people who served next to her and told what she was really like from their personal experience ... rather than from an atheist looking to discredit religion by smearing one of its most saintly figureheads. I have read a couple of books on her too, praising her for her work, people that worked with her. But she is also known for her belief in suffering and so she had that side too. She did work with those who no one else would even touch and she provided a place for them when no one else would.
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Post by sharonw on Mar 6, 2013 20:31:26 GMT -5
I always found it interesting when certain workers sought medical care all over the country at the expense of I'm not sure. The government? friends? If a poor friend got sick they would have to get what ever care was available where ever they lived. I also found it interesting that workers don't let nature take its course. Don't they have more to DIE for? ? There was some worker from CA that went to all the best cancer hospital in the US. He stated at my sisters house in MA. Was that so he could spread the gospel. I hear he is buried at the big fancy convention grounds out there. They also sent workers from NE to be with him when he died. Were the CA workers not able to do that??? Why the waste of MONEY? He only stated at the wealthiest of homes also. Kind of like some of the workers I was privilege to have been around when they passed on..some of those workers were given the very best caskets and many many f&W's from every direction came for their funeral. And then I was also privileged to be where some of the workers who pushed humility when they were alive and had insisted that no person spend exceeding amount of money on their end of life cares and funeral...one casket is made much like another, they thought, and said not to buy the most expensive for them, that a the lower end scale of price on caskets was good enough......and simple funeral they had by some of the workers who understood the deceased didn't want a big showoff.... It is all about the difference in human flesh when it comes to the workers as well as other ministerial persons in the world today....
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Post by sharonw on Mar 6, 2013 20:35:23 GMT -5
I don't agree with you, sacerdotal, on mother Teresa's hypocrisy. I don't know about monetary details, but I've read too many books by people who served next to her and told what she was really like from their personal experience ... rather than from an atheist looking to discredit religion by smearing one of its most saintly figureheads. I had wondered if those who say they saw these poor things might not have seen the very reason Sister Theresa was there. She was surrounded by horrors of the suffering because that is where she went to do what little a person can do when time and money do not get together fast enough to alleviate suffering. The example of someone laying in the ER and needing pain medication and there are about 50 other more serious emergencies and the one person having to wait for whatever process to take place before they can get their pain meds are apt to be saying such things about that ER...that it is a horrible place to go and expect help...."Hello!" What can a person expect when they enter into an ER, where many people can be piling up in there for many different health reasons..it IS an ER!
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Post by Greg on Mar 6, 2013 21:39:13 GMT -5
I don't agree with you, sacerdotal, on mother Teresa's hypocrisy. I don't know about monetary details, but I've read too many books by people who served next to her and told what she was really like from their personal experience ... rather than from an atheist looking to discredit religion by smearing one of its most saintly figureheads. I had wondered if those who say they saw these poor things might not have seen the very reason Sister Theresa was there. She was surrounded by horrors of the suffering because that is where she went to do what little a person can do when time and money do not get together fast enough to alleviate suffering. The example of someone laying in the ER and needing pain medication and there are about 50 other more serious emergencies and the one person having to wait for whatever process to take place before they can get their pain meds are apt to be saying such things about that ER...that it is a horrible place to go and expect help...."Hello!" What can a person expect when they enter into an ER, where many people can be piling up in there for many different health reasons..it IS an ER! Do people needing help in the ER spend days and weeks and maybe even years there?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 22:16:59 GMT -5
No, Greg, from experience I know pain relief is given very promptly, and if one is going to be admitted for care one rarely spends any more time in the ER than it takes to arrange accommodations on the ward to which one is headed.
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Post by emy on Mar 6, 2013 22:27:29 GMT -5
Several years ago, Newsweek had an article about M Teresa's "crisis of faith." I have forgotten details, but it sounded like she went through a period late in life when she questioned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 22:32:58 GMT -5
Several years ago, Newsweek had an article about M Teresa's "crisis of faith." I have forgotten details, but it sounded like she went through a period late in life when she questioned. She did in fact. Just the end of the article about the book: Come Be My Light is that rare thing, a posthumous autobiography that could cause a wholesale reconsideration of a major public figure — one way or another. It raises questions about God and faith, the engine behind great achievement, and the persistence of love, divine and human. That it does so not in any organized, intentional form but as a hodgepodge of desperate notes not intended for daylight should leave readers only more convinced that it is authentic — and that they are, somewhat shockingly, touching the true inner life of a modern saint. Read more: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1655720,00.html#ixzz2MoyxRfg0
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Post by emy on Mar 6, 2013 22:45:20 GMT -5
Several years ago, Newsweek had an article about M Teresa's "crisis of faith." I have forgotten details, but it sounded like she went through a period late in life when she questioned. She did in fact. Just the end of the article about the book: Come Be My Light is that rare thing, a posthumous autobiography that could cause a wholesale reconsideration of a major public figure — one way or another. It raises questions about God and faith, the engine behind great achievement, and the persistence of love, divine and human. That it does so not in any organized, intentional form but as a hodgepodge of desperate notes not intended for daylight should leave readers only more convinced that it is authentic — and that they are, somewhat shockingly, touching the true inner life of a modern saint. Read more: www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1655720,00.html#ixzz2MoyxRfg0 Apparently Newsweek's article was much less kind than Time's, and I didn't have any luck finding it published on the web!
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Post by slowtosee on Mar 7, 2013 11:19:35 GMT -5
Don't have much time to post these days , but feel the "nudge" to share a little. The last few weeks , my wife and myself have been "living with nuns" and members of the Catholic faith. Our newborn granddaughter was born with bilateral cleft palate and lip, was medivacced to Winnipeg, and still in intensive care, but BIG improvement as of yesterday. The hospital Julia Rose is in, is Saint Boniface in winnipeg, which of course was founded originally as a faith based hospital. MANY MANY times it was mentioned by the patients and by staff there, of the lingering influence that still has on the atmosphere of care and compassion experienced there. As we live about 6 hours from the hospital, we were welcomed to stay at an apartment that was a part of a convent. These apts are leased from the convent "corp" by "a port in the storm" for forty dollars a night furnished. Again , MANY of the temporary tenants expressed their appreciation for the kindness and compassionate atmosphere there in times of their DIRE situations. We were in daily contact with nuns and some VERY interesting conversations about their life experiences etc. , BUT just for the record, and I admit I am very emotional about this rigth now, Isimply can not support "garbage' thrown at people who have treated us with such kindness and respect the last few weeks. One nun shared with me also, about crises in here life, where she wondered if she was doing the right thing. There was absolutely NO hint of prejudice against non-Catholics , as far as priveleges etc. I have NO intention of converting to Catholicism , and could "argue" lots about many "issues" within the organiztion, but when you and your family have been treated soooooo kindly and with respect in time of need, how can we "trash" those people. Thanks, Mother Teresa for the good you did do in your life , and sorry for any mistakes you made along the way, as we all have and do . uh, btw, when one is in need and somone is there to help you, it would be total foolishness to first question what their belief system or non-belief is...... you are just thankful for the help and knowlege and skills and resources..... "ohhhh, Doctor _______, you are an atheist or a Muslim, I cannot accept your help....... you see, I am a TRUE believer and I am in the right way, and you are merely........... sorry, no thanks , I won't accept your help ....." duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Alvin Kroeker
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 11:26:38 GMT -5
Don't have much time to post these days , but feel the "nudge" to share a little. The last few weeks , my wife and myself have been "living with nuns" and members of the Catholic faith. Our newborn granddaughter was born with bilateral cleft palate and lip, was medivacced to Winnipeg, and still in intensive care, but BIG improvement as of yesterday. The hospital Julia Rose is in, is Saint Boniface in winnipeg, which of course was founded originally as a faith based hospital. MANY MANY times it was mentioned by the patients and by staff there, of the lingering influence that still has on the atmosphere of care and compassion experienced there. As we live about 6 hours from the hospital, we were welcomed to stay at an apartment that was a part of a convent. These apts are leased from the convent "corp" by "a port in the storm" for forty dollars a night furnished. Again , MANY of the temporary tenants expressed their appreciation for the kindness and compassionate atmosphere there in times of their DIRE situations. We were in daily contact with nuns and some VERY interesting conversations about their life experiences etc. , BUT just for the record, and I admit I am very emotional about this rigth now, Isimply can not support "garbage' thrown at people who have treated us with such kindness and respect the last few weeks. One nun shared with me also, about crises in here life, where she wondered if she was doing the right thing. There was absolutely NO hint of prejudice against non-Catholics , as far as priveleges etc. I have NO intention of converting to Catholicism , and could "argue" lots about many "issues" within the organiztion, but when you and your family have been treated soooooo kindly and with respect in time of need, how can we "trash" those people. Thanks, Mother Teresa for the good you did do in your life , and sorry for any mistakes you made along the way, as we all have and do . uh, btw, when one is in need and somone is there to help you, it would be total foolishness to first question what their belief system or non-belief is...... you are just thankful for the help and knowlege and skills and resources..... "ohhhh, Doctor _______, you are an atheist or a Muslim, I cannot accept your help....... you see, I am a TRUE believer and I am in the right way, and you are merely........... sorry, no thanks , I won't accept your help ....." duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Alvin Kroeker I hope things continue to go well with your wee granddaughter. I'm so glad you are enjoying compassion and love at a time when you need it most--and glad that despite not being a Catholic, you are accepting all that is being extended w/o judgment.
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Post by sacerdotal on Mar 7, 2013 12:47:23 GMT -5
Don't have much time to post these days , but feel the "nudge" to share a little. The last few weeks , my wife and myself have been "living with nuns" and members of the Catholic faith. Our newborn granddaughter was born with bilateral cleft palate and lip, was medivacced to Winnipeg, and still in intensive care, but BIG improvement as of yesterday. The hospital Julia Rose is in, is Saint Boniface in winnipeg, which of course was founded originally as a faith based hospital. MANY MANY times it was mentioned by the patients and by staff there, of the lingering influence that still has on the atmosphere of care and compassion experienced there. As we live about 6 hours from the hospital, we were welcomed to stay at an apartment that was a part of a convent. These apts are leased from the convent "corp" by "a port in the storm" for forty dollars a night furnished. Again , MANY of the temporary tenants expressed their appreciation for the kindness and compassionate atmosphere there in times of their DIRE situations. We were in daily contact with nuns and some VERY interesting conversations about their life experiences etc. , BUT just for the record, and I admit I am very emotional about this rigth now, Isimply can not support "garbage' thrown at people who have treated us with such kindness and respect the last few weeks. One nun shared with me also, about crises in here life, where she wondered if she was doing the right thing. There was absolutely NO hint of prejudice against non-Catholics , as far as priveleges etc. I have NO intention of converting to Catholicism , and could "argue" lots about many "issues" within the organiztion, but when you and your family have been treated soooooo kindly and with respect in time of need, how can we "trash" those people. Thanks, Mother Teresa for the good you did do in your life , and sorry for any mistakes you made along the way, as we all have and do . uh, btw, when one is in need and somone is there to help you, it would be total foolishness to first question what their belief system or non-belief is...... you are just thankful for the help and knowlege and skills and resources..... "ohhhh, Doctor _______, you are an atheist or a Muslim, I cannot accept your help....... you see, I am a TRUE believer and I am in the right way, and you are merely........... sorry, no thanks , I won't accept your help ....." duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Alvin Kroeker I hope things continue to go well with your wee granddaughter. I'm so glad you are enjoying compassion and love at a time when you need it most--and glad that despite not being a Catholic, you are accepting all that is being extended w/o judgment. Yep. Just like the parable of the good samaritan. Now, if the Catholics would only be so compassionate with women that have been raped that come to their hospitals.
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Post by snow on Mar 7, 2013 14:34:55 GMT -5
There are two books that show very different sides of the care of nuns and the Catholic Church hospitals. I believe that the care and loving compassion that Alvin is being shown is more the norm now than it was in past years, at least when it came to unwed mothers. That is the first book I will mention. "Gone to an Aunt's: Remembering Canada's Homes for Unwed Mothers" by Anne Petrie. I was given it to read after finding my biological mother who spent time in one of the Catholic hospitals during the last stages of her pregancy with me in the 50's. It wasn't very good, but at least they did offer the care. I imagine things have changed a little since then when it was such a taboo to get pregnant out of wedlock. The Magdalena Laundries were pretty gruesome places too. However, I think you would see more caring and compassion for those that were in the hospital for other ailments. Unwed mothers were there because they had 'sinned' and therefore in a different category. They did get medical care, though sometimes pain relief was withheld because they needed 'correction'. Here is a link to the Irish Magdalena Laundries. My mother worked in a laundry at the Catholic Hospital she was at to pay for her medical care. I don't have a problem with that as it would have been better than no care. Just trying to give some history to a group that weren't treated very well. www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/08/irealnd-magdalene-laundries-scandal-unThe other book is the one that I read about Mother Theresa. It was called "A Simple Path" by Lucinda Vardey. It was a good read and helped me understand her a bit better. She took in many people that others would not touch. In India where she spent much of her time, there are the untouchables. She would care for them. However, she did believe there was a 'cleansing' in suffering so not always was pain relieved. I think overall she contributed more than she harmed and we are all products of our beliefs and life circumstances so we must remember that too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 14:50:35 GMT -5
Are we all not just like "Mother Theresa". Do we not all give our all in some situation and not give as much or not any in any situation.
Is this not just human nature. Why should we expect more of her then we do of ourselves or of anyone who says they serve God???
Should we not all do for others without having to do it in the name of religion?
Should all hospitals not be kind and caring and show compassion on patients and family???
Do you expect more of other just because they belong to a religion?
Why can we not just show compassion and kindness in all situations?
If someone is not lead by the spirit does their religion matter? Is there any way they can get victory over their human nature?
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Post by snow on Mar 7, 2013 15:37:17 GMT -5
Are we all not just like "Mother Theresa". Do we not all give our all in some situation and not give as much or not any in any situation. YesIs this not just human nature. Why should we expect more of her then we do of ourselves or of anyone who says they serve God??? It is the way we seem to be for sure. She has been made a saint so likely there is more expected of her because of that title. However, I don't believe anymore should be expected of her than anyone else. Mostly because I don't think anyone should be sainted. That's probably why, it's misleading.Should we not all do for others without having to do it in the name of religion? If atheists can, I'm sure everyone else can too. Doing it in the name of religion demeans it imo. Not as sincere, or at least the sincerity is questioned more. Are you doing it to get into heaven or are you doing it for the good of the person?Should all hospitals not be kind and caring and show compassion on patients and family??? Of course. That should be expected, not the exception.Do you expect more of other just because they belong to a religion? I guess maybe people do expect more from those who claim to be religious. I certainly know that atheists get told that no one expects them to behave in a moral way because they are atheists, so I suppose that means religious people have more expectations of good deeds about each other.Why can we not just show compassion and kindness in all situations? That would be ideal of course. I think it's because we have been programmed from a very young age to separate people into groups of good and bad, and behaviors of these groups as either good or bad. We don't see them as struggling individuals who are human and need our love an compassion as much as any other human.If someone is not lead by the spirit does their religion matter? Is there any way they can get victory over their human nature? Well I think it's more being led by our consciousness than spirit because atheists are capable of wonderful deeds on a consistent basis every bit as much as a person of any religion yet religions wouldn't say they are led by the "spirit". So yes, you can be a good human being without being led of any spirit imo.
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Post by rational on Mar 8, 2013 9:50:10 GMT -5
They want to be healed. Makes you wonder wbout what they really believe regarding prayer and faith. Isn't this true for anyone that believes in heaven and eternal life? I will probably be accused of supporting the workers but caring for an ill person can be rather expensive and, if medical equipment is needed, also intrusive. It could be a huge burden on a family that did not have the resources, both in terms of available funds as well as room in their house. I know when we decided to care for my mother-in-law that I was surprised at the cost as well as the impact on daily family life. I wonder if there would also be complaints if the house had not been one of the wealthier homes. Can't you hear the complaints? "The workers expected 24 hour nursing care and to have a chair-lift installed assist them in reaching the second floor." If someone can afford the care does it matter where they stay?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 13:48:04 GMT -5
Yes, Rat I do wonder what they believe in. This worker was invited for the supper and night at a poor woman's home. She was also in cancer treatment at the same time. My relative who's house he was staying would have enjoyed a break from him. He was not physical care for anyone at that time. The time he needed was for him to be drove into Boston for his treatment. He also made derogatory remarks about another friend that was going through cancer treatment at the same time. He wasn't even staying in the Boston field. The brother worker in the next field were the ones taking him into Boston. My relative found him to feel very entitled to the best treatment and care. You would think when someone was dieing they would want to be of spiritual help to others. After all that is what he had given his life for. ? That is why he was fighting so hard to save his life, right??? I find it odd that someone fighting cancer would not be kind and compassionate to other cancer patients. What about all the young mothers and fathers that die of cancer or some other disease. They have to take care of their family while dieing. Not all get the care they need. Why should workers get SUCH SPECIAL CARE??? I worked in home care for years and can tell you that most patients that are dieing do not have the ideal help or care. Those that do are few and far between.
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Post by snow on Mar 8, 2013 14:07:14 GMT -5
Yes, Rat I do wonder what they believe in. This worker was invited for the supper and night at a poor woman's home. She was also in cancer treatment at the same time. My relative who's house he was staying would have enjoyed a break from him. He was not physical care for anyone at that time. The time he needed was for him to be drove into Boston for his treatment. He also made derogatory remarks about another friend that was going through cancer treatment at the same time. He wasn't even staying in the Boston field. The brother worker in the next field were the ones taking him into Boston. My relative found him to feel very entitled to the best treatment and care. You would think when someone was dieing they would want to be of spiritual help to others. After all that is what he had given his life for. ? That is why he was fighting so hard to save his life, right??? I find it odd that someone fighting cancer would not be kind and compassionate to other cancer patients. What about all the young mothers and fathers that die of cancer or some other disease. They have to take care of their family while dieing. Not all get the care they need. Why should workers get SUCH SPECIAL CARE??? I worked in home care for years and can tell you that most patients that are dieing do not have the ideal help or care. Those that do are few and far between. Yes you would think that if he really had faith in his beliefs that dying would be a blessing in a way. I'm sure we are all a little afraid of death, because it is an unknown. But when people state they know there is a God and heaven and that they're saved, then the trauma should be less wouldn't it? I have no idea what happens after death and I'm not that afraid of it. My husband has just been diagnosed with cancer and while I don't want to lose him, I'm not worried about the 'after death' part of him. He is an atheist so doesn't believe there is anything and does not appear to be scared either. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 14:21:52 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about your husband Snow.
Rat, I hate it when the workers put money and friends with money before the spiritual need of the friends. I think it has way to much power amongst the friends and workers then it did in the days of your parents or my parents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2013 15:17:58 GMT -5
I have no idea what happens after death and I'm not that afraid of it. My husband has just been diagnosed with cancer and while I don't want to lose him, I'm not worried about the 'after death' part of him. He is an atheist so doesn't believe there is anything and does not appear to be scared either. Interesting. Snow, sorry for the bad news. Hugs from afar my friend.
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Post by sacerdotal on Mar 8, 2013 17:10:25 GMT -5
Yes, Rat I do wonder what they believe in. This worker was invited for the supper and night at a poor woman's home. She was also in cancer treatment at the same time. My relative who's house he was staying would have enjoyed a break from him. He was not physical care for anyone at that time. The time he needed was for him to be drove into Boston for his treatment. He also made derogatory remarks about another friend that was going through cancer treatment at the same time. He wasn't even staying in the Boston field. The brother worker in the next field were the ones taking him into Boston. My relative found him to feel very entitled to the best treatment and care. You would think when someone was dieing they would want to be of spiritual help to others. After all that is what he had given his life for. ? That is why he was fighting so hard to save his life, right??? I find it odd that someone fighting cancer would not be kind and compassionate to other cancer patients. What about all the young mothers and fathers that die of cancer or some other disease. They have to take care of their family while dieing. Not all get the care they need. Why should workers get SUCH SPECIAL CARE??? I worked in home care for years and can tell you that most patients that are dieing do not have the ideal help or care. Those that do are few and far between. Yes you would think that if he really had faith in his beliefs that dying would be a blessing in a way. I'm sure we are all a little afraid of death, because it is an unknown. But when people state they know there is a God and heaven and that they're saved, then the trauma should be less wouldn't it? I have no idea what happens after death and I'm not that afraid of it. My husband has just been diagnosed with cancer and while I don't want to lose him, I'm not worried about the 'after death' part of him. He is an atheist so doesn't believe there is anything and does not appear to be scared either. Interesting. Sorry to hear about your husband, Snow.
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Post by snow on Mar 8, 2013 17:57:33 GMT -5
Thanks, it will be okay. We have good medical technology and we caught it early. Both things are on his side. Marie's post really spoke to me because of her questions. It made me think about what we are going through and our thoughts about death. We will do what needs to be done to get him healthy again, but I'm impressed how he's taken the news. I just don't like watching him go through the treatment etc.
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